Re: Ask BAP
Don't know
LOR, but you've said many things here. A few comments. Do I have the right of reply? I hate to see bullying and I would even caution abstention in myself as you seem to have pointed out. When I see someone bullying another, I don't like it. It's true I have brought up the fellow you've been talking about, but I thought he was a strong person else I would not have addressed him. He does act with a great deal of force. What prompted my, I thought rather mild, mention of his name on this thread, was an accumulation of multiple things:
(1) When he said this about Cog, just the 2nd sentence:
Lyra about Cog
Now I get what he's saying. It's the WAY he said it, the precedent he is setting, that can influence others detrimentally that I noted.
Another was (2)
Cog's puzzlement
(3) Duxwing expressed this which I remember & I concur:
Such a philosophy defeats the entire purpose of attending a forum. We've come here to notice and exchange ideas, not ignore them.
Dux post
LOR, it's an accumulation of stuff. Absurdity has pointed out ideas are more important than people (paraphrase). In this case Lyra is such a prominent & controversial person on this Forum, he IS the idea. He is a public figure. Is he so weak he should be mollycoddled at every turn? What have I done that is so injurious to him? Nothing but bring up the issue. This guy is not weak. He is strong enough to take being in the public limelight IMO. Maybe I'm wrong and it should not be me making this point. Yet others have brought it up from time-to-time. The difference with me is I've openly said, "The Emperor has no clothes."
LOR, I take these things intellectually as both factual and moral issues, Asperger's notwithstanding. Are you saying I was wrong to take this up? I thought I was addressing not just Cog's but other's interests as well. Several others have expressed an interest in the issue and I've just stepped in to follow up. I have no wish to continue this at this point. I can drop it, but what if I hear another objection from a 3rd party to bullying? Shall I keep silent? Your call but I will FEEL censored and feel badly.
BAP, are you aspergers?
Because I have a theory about your behaviour. There are alternative explanations of course, such as sublime bigotry or incredible stupidity, but I think your mind has some kind of special capacity I find it hard to comprehend.
No to Asperger's. (A licensed psychoanalyst knows me, but I've been mistaken out of context. I deliberately try to remove all emotion from a scientific inquiry. I've also taken a test for this on this Forum with negative result.) Bigotry/ stupidity? Evidence required before accusation. If I have it, I will admit it. I don't believe you will find I am either bigoted or stupid. Inattentivity is possible though.
Such as the inability to recognise when an individual is pissed off with you for a very good reason stemming from your own obtusely tedious and repetitive actions.
Are you kidding me? Of course he's pissed off. But isn't it about time HE recognize other's feelings where posters get pissed off at him and time for him to grow up? I've always avoided elaborations like that, so I've done it here.
You wouldn't mind if I tottled off to some other part of the forum to think out loud about you and discuss you with fellow irritated members, under the guise of pondering my personal model of social (dys)functionality based upon misinterpretations and misperceived notions of human behaviour, would you?
Anyone can do that. Anyone can be attacked to make them look bad. There are laws against slander and libel but I would hope this doesn't happen on this Forum. I've been exposed to the McCarthy era. "The Crucible" about the Salem witch trials is a great play. All of your paragraph is intellectually and socially challenging to address. Would you allow such on this Forum or are we not up to it?
A question to you as a mod is, how much are you willing to have posters publicly disagree? There is a moderator bias on this Forum:
all women. If I may make a sexist, tactless statement, women are fond of peace. Men love to fight things out. Sexist I admit, but what about that? Sexist? Biased? Stupid? Aspergers?
It reminds me of when I was ten years old. My best buddy & I were fighting/wrestling on my front lawn. My mom came out angry and broke it up. "Stop fighting." I always have thought that a big mistake. If my dad had been there, he would have let the fight go on and let us learn from nature taking it's course. I'm not saying that is the case here, that this guy and I should fight, but I'd like to see more male input as to moderator-ship. What about adding an Architect, an Editor or a snafupants as moderator or some other volunteer? Maybe Duxwing or Cognisant if the latter could keep his cool?
Of course not. Your inevitable failure to get upset will only support my theory.
You bet I'm upset. I just do not show it ... INTP like. I can change that. Want me to??? Insert: I completely forgot this and it may be a another clue as to why you've proposed Aspergers for me:
Lyra: @
BigApplePi I just told you dumb fuck. You've made so many threads about this before, can't you just stop flying the flag of your stupidity now? Or take the hint from Kuu about how totally unable you are to read people?
I dismissed this as
the ravings of a spoiled brat who has probably never been told, "no" to. I know who and what I am, though I'm always learning. He is full of exaggeration so I ignore it. Why must I reply in kind? As I look back, I didn't reply to that because it wouldn't be objective. When he comes down on others, I see it more clearly. No wonder you see me with Asbergers!
And of course, if you get called in to defend yourself in these private public discussions and you fail to articulate yourself on my terms - that is; fail to display any awareness of interpersonal dynamics, then I shall again take this as evidence of your profound mental difference (dare I say, inferiority?) and accuse you of ...being asperger's. And obsessed with me.
Hell, I'll even define what social anaylsis awareness is so that you fall outside the spectrum of reasoning that I accept as legitimate.
How's it sound? Can't win? Oops... I mean... can't get at truth? Because either you're trying to score points against Lyra in some subtly malicious stalking marathon, or you really are asperger's and will never realise the full truth of the dynamics here because a swathe of the interactive spectrum is just invisible to you....
I would like to disentangle myself from this but at the same time get a defense from an outside observer. I haven't the slightest interest in scoring points against Lyra. He has abilities I don't have; I claim abilities he doesn't have. It's that simple. Looking into my motives for all this, I believe what I was after is to say "The Emperor is wearing no clothes." This guy is a self-centered brat. Everyone is equal and has the right to speak on this Forum. Lastly perhaps I've overestimated the interest in all this. Perhaps I am guilty of a failure to see interpersonal dynamics. Another theory is posters say something but don't wish to stir the waters. Perhaps a little drama is good to be retained on the Forum as long as we "play nice." In that case I ask if I should falter, that Lyra not call me names ... no matter how he feels. It looks bad all around.
I'm quite happy to take a little holiday for bullying the socially disabled here, but next time I see you making an extended example of any single member as your posterboy for irrationality, or you choose to take any flimsy bait as an excuse for a 'lyra-makes-no-sense' lamentation (poor put-upon rational what-is-he-to-do-surrounded-by-the-weak-of-anaylsis?)... I shall grant you free tickets to Siberia.
I can leave it all alone, but I'd like to know if the rest of the Forum would like that. I am much less afraid of Lyra, than I am of you mods. Another finally: I do notice that my few statements about this guy have resulted in similar ones from not only him, but Absurdity and now you. Do you see me
-whining- complaining? Yet as Shylock said, "If you prick us, do we not bleed?" - Merchant of Venice, W. Shakespeare.