Pod'Lair review

[Architect]

For missing pieces, and in a more easy to access format there is also a whole lot in the archives. Search for Adymus.

Yeah I remember when he was here, first time I heard of PL. Gave up on it then because they had a closed system, thanks for the reminder.

In this thread he speaks in MBTI terms, but it's what I have found, to be the prelude to PL as we know it now.
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=4944

Here he explains how he interpret smiling
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=5950

I don't know if this material is modified after he got fully immersed in PL. But it's easily read. I at least found it useful at the time to disprove or approve of their activity(cult aspect ignored). There are many more singular posts where he goes into the detail of they reading and the PL vocabulary. It's scattered around. It you think it could be relevant I can try to dig them up and provide links.

Thanks, I'll refresh myself on those links. Appreciate any others you find.

 

[Architect]

From an old post by Adymus written in MBTI terms, quite astute. With this I think I understand the PL concepts of momentum and modulation.

Momentum and modulation:

Both your dominant and to a lesser extent your Auxiliary functions are continuously processing until they are hindered by another function. Not only are these functions most stimulating to use, they are essentially our source of energy as well as our "starting position", so they are what we always go back to, and what we can never truly "turn off." When using these functions, we gain "Momentum" Momentum is gained when your energy increases due to you being able to use and/or being enticed by the environment to use your Top two function in a way that plays to your stronger, or heroic, mental preferences.
Momentum causes you to "shine" but it also can go too far if not Modulated with a counter weight. This counter weight is created by the Polar Opposite Cognitive function. Polar opposite cognitive functions have a suppressive relationship with each other.

One's top two cognitive functions are their momentum functions, and their bottom two function are their modulation functions.

The Auxiliary function is modulated by the tertiary function, and these two functions are always polar opposites of each other, this is called the "Minor Modulation". It requires that we venture to a less familiar part of the brain to use a 3rd priority function to modulate a second priority function.
The Dominant function is modulated by the Inferior function, which are also always polar opposites of one another. This requires us to reach out to the most unfamiliar part of the brain to use a 4th priority function to modulate a 1st priority function, this is called the "major modulation."

The most noticeable drop of energy will come from the major modulation, this is because your dominant function has the strongest pull forward, and because it is our true source of energy, thus modulating it will be the most draining for us.
The Minor Modulation is also draining, but as your Auxiliary is not our dominant function, modulating it will be much less draining of a task, and thus the drop of energy will not be as severe as the Major Modulation's.

In Moderated amounts, modulation adds ballast and gravitas to a person. In excessive amounts, as can often happen due to various Social factors, it can cause toxicity to the person's Apparatus and Personality. This is most often manifested in confusion, fatigue and irritation.
The two lower functions should not be considered the bane of a certain personality type, because their use is crucial to our functionality. If our top two functions were not counter balanced in some way, we would have no way or reason to come out of them, and we would not be able survive in the world if that were the case. It is also necessary that we use our modulation to refine the products of our Dominant and Auxiliary functions, without this modulation we would have very unrealistic and incomplete perceptions of reality.

For example an Ne without Si has absolutely no grounding, it would go from one possibility to another without every being able to relate anything to constant truth. And an Si with no Ne would have no concept of chaos of change in the world. A Ti with No Fe would have no way of relating any of it's understandings to the human dynamic, and an Fe with no Ti would have no way of doing any personal thinking or consideration outside of the human collective.

 

[BigApplePi]

The argument against MBTI is a weak one, it is by painting MBTI in it's most simplistic terms. Indeed PL is very much founded on MBTI, from what I see here, it's an extension of it. I'm very surprised then that they so vehemently want to dismantle MBTI. All good theories build on the previous theories, and thereby acknowledge them. It gives the new ideas credibility. General Relativity reduces to Newtonian relativity. I'm not saying PL is that extension of MBTI, but I think they are taking an immature approach which is causing the difficult in acceptance they are seeing.

In classical psychology (Louise Von Franz) they would be characterized as having the Peur/Puella complex. Common among young people, who like to be revolutionaries. With maturity perhaps PL can recognize what they are building on, and then truly 'contribute back to the tribe'.

Nice work Architect on all those details. I can't check out each bullet as my wife is calling (She's an Ixxx ... I dunno). I'm afraid that since Pod'Lair wants to push their theory hard they HAVE to take a revolutionary "J" approach. Well I take that back. If they took a "P" approach and gave the MBTI more credit it would be more mature. But that would take more energy. Look at what their founder and leader is. Perhaps Adymus like ALL INTP's is strong on one form of thinking and weak on another. After all, what does one expect ... strong Fe from an INTP?

 

[BigApplePi]

Providing links would be helpful, also keeping the posts short.

So far Lyra, Architect I do not see any well-organized top-down tree format way of getting into Pod'Lair, especially for newcomers. Where are definitions of all those terms written, not spoken so one can refer back to them? Where is a definition of "Zai", Pod'Lair, Cerebral Temples, Mojo, stages/depths all in one place ... a lexicon? I understand fully if one is immersed by Reading everything, one has a good chance of understanding. But I am lazy (not my word). I have a poor (it depends) memory. I am logically oriented. I don't expect YOU (Lyra) to do it because you aren't interested, but unless it is done and it CAN be done, you will acquire only hopeful true believers, a few enterprising people with time and energy, and a long time wasted. I'm thinking of something like this: this. I damn well wish I had time to do it. Push me ... or someone.

 

[Duxwing]

To add on to what Sir Duxwing has said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

"Sir Duxwing," that has a nice ring to it.

-Duxwing

 

[Architect]

So far Lyra, Architect I do not see any well-organized top-down tree format way of getting into Pod'Lair, especially for newcomers. Where are definitions of all those terms written, not spoken so one can refer back to them? Where is a definition of "Zai", Pod'Lair, Cerebral Temples, Mojo, stages/depths all in one place ... a lexicon?

@BigApplePi

Precisely. PL says "it's all out there, you're just lazy if you don't understand it", but that is like being a Freshman in college and the profs give you finals without any instruction and say "it's all in your book, you're just being lazy!"

Lyra thinks it's a problem of time - which is it - but the core is that without a Lexicon I'm just watching hours of videos trying to create my own lexicon. For example

INTP

Zai'nyy have as their first, or source power Zai, which is adaptive, subjective, logic based discernment.

OK, what the fuck is source power? What is meant by adaptive, subjective, and logic based discernment? What are the other possibilities, if not Zai? How does Zai relate to the other (powers, functions, whatever?) This could be written down in less than a page - the the kings plain English - and would save me a load of time. Most people, including myself many times, just start one of the videos, hear this white noise, then go elsewhere.

 

[Fukyo]

OK, what the fuck is source power? What is meant by adaptive, subjective, and logic based discernment? What are the other possibilities, if not Zai? How does Zai relate to the other (powers, functions, whatever?) This could be written down in less than a page - the the kings plain English - and would save me a load of time. Most people, including myself many times, just start one of the videos, hear this white noise, then go elsewhere.

Subjective sort of corresponds to Introversion, and Objective to Extroversion.

Source power - tandem power - offside power - polar power corresponds to the Jungian hierarchy of dominant - auxiliary - tertiary, inferior. Also look at this thread: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582

 

[Architect]

Subjective sort of corresponds to Introversion, and Objective to Extroversion.

Source power - tandem power - offside power - polar power corresponds to the Jungian hierarchy of dominant - auxiliary - tertiary, inferior. Also look at this thread: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582

I missed that thread in '10, just what I'm looking for. Exactly the format that PL needs for an intro.

@Lyra maybe should take that post and roll it into her intro.

 

[BigApplePi]

Pod'Lair ~ MBTI review

Thanks Fukyo.

Subjective sort of corresponds to Introversion, and Objective to Extroversion. Source power - tandem power - offside power - polar power corresponds to the Jungian hierarchy of dominant - auxiliary - tertiary, inferior.

That's the kind of thing needed in a summary. It connects up the old (for those appreciating the old) with something new.

For those interested in adding Pol'Lair to their box of tools in understanding people, we all have to work together. INTP's want explanations; Pod'Lairians can't explain. The Pod'Lairians are hooked on their intuition. They want to push. INTP's still want an explanation they can get at, review, critique, evaluate. INTP's can't push very well; Intuitives can.

Unless we get very lucky, each does well what the other does not. It's why evolution allowed for all those types in the 1st place. People without knowing it, find themselves oriented to a particular type not realizing other types are different. Could that be what Pod'Lairians mean by "saving the world?"

 

[BigApplePi]

Did you miss this in my earlier post? Is has top-down.

 

[Lyra]

We're going to make a video on techniques for learning Reading soon, but I'll share this for now. It is somewhat Nai>Vyy oriented, but it's probably far more useful than whatever you're trying to do right now so listen up:

[20:09:42] some girl: I feel like I should be accomplishing something...
[20:10:38] Lyra: You could try Mojo Reading |-:
[20:11:41] some girl: Oh! I should. Need to find out what that alien brother is.
[20:11:52] Lyra: yeah
[20:11:54] Lyra: umm
[20:11:58] Lyra: ok the best thing to do
[20:12:09] Lyra: is go to the typology town list on the pod'lair website
[20:12:10] Lyra: download it
[20:12:21] Lyra: then make a separate browser window for different configs
[20:12:32] Lyra: and open lots of tabs of that config in the window
[20:12:43] Lyra: then you can switch between windows quickly to see different mojos
[20:12:51] Lyra: and aso switch between tabs in the window
[20:12:59] Lyra: I find it makes the patterns stand out amazingly
[20:13:08] Lyra: if you switch between like five Nyy'xai playing at once
[20:13:15] Lyra: you really see what a Nyy'xai is
[20:13:18] Lyra: ummm
[20:13:21] some girl: Huh. Got it.
[20:13:40] Lyra: Although of course familiarity with the cues and the videos on Mojo Reading Revealed is always useful
[20:13:49] Lyra: Even without that you can start to get a very good personal sense of it by that
[20:15:07] some girl: This seems like a good way to start, since I am less interested in taking the time to learn the theory and more interested in identifying the types of a few people.
[20:15:27] some girl: It's odd, being around them again.
[20:15:31] some girl: They're so WEIRD.

 

[Duxwing]

Did you miss this in my earlier post? Is has top-down.

Add the intro to your index, Pi. We could use it.

-Duxwing

 

[snafupants]

I have seen the light and I am fully prepared to embrace Pod'Lair without reservation. The nineteenth batshit crazy video really brought it home for me.

 

[Lyra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COPx8tbrRb4

Answers to the challenge @own8ge @Auburn (...fail) @cheese

 

[Anaximander]

How could someone who isn't familiar with the MBTI make sense of Pod'lair?

 

[snafupants]

How could someone who isn't familiar with the MBTI make sense of Pod'lair?

How could someone who is familiar with MBTI make sense of Pod'Lair?

 

[Anaximander]

All Humans are members of one Species, one Collective, one Tribe, one People. We are All One.

* Gender Equality is part of Natural Law.

* Racial Equality is part of Natural Law.

* Age Equality is part of Natural Law based on the Mentorship Model.

* Sexual Orientation of all persuasions is part of Natural Law based on the Social Alchemy Model.

* Mojos manifest relatively evenly among genders, when it comes to being Adaptive/Directive, Objective/Subjective, Interpretive/Literal and Logic-Based/Values-Based. Attitudes to the contrary are largely based on memes and do not reflect the actual manifestations of Natural Law. This is what the data is showing.

* You are a Mojo Configuration. It is innate and underlies all that you know and do. This Mojo Configuration does not change into another Mojo but it does grow and grow to infinite levels of development.

* All Humans are a Mojo Configuration and part of the Human Matrix, like you.

* All Mojos were created by Natural Law and thus are equally integral and valuable to the Tribe of Humanity.

* Everything is Energy Evolving. This is the basic premise of Pod'Lair Theory. Only through this lens does all of Natural Law make sense even as its new vistas unfold.

* Humans evolved from primates, who evolved from mammals, who evolved with the rest of the biological life on this planet. The biological evolution is connected to the chemical evolution of the planet and everything is connected at an atomic level.

* Everything that humans experience is really a form of energy exchange which is done through eight specific Pod Powers of the Psyche. This means that all humans are sending and getting signals with their eight powers.

* Since all humans experience existence as various forms of energy exchange, the ranking of their Powers of the Psyche determines their 'reality'. All humans are working from a 'partial reality' that they share collectively with the other humans. Only with ALL the humans, and all their gifts, can the greater portion of existence be made aware to us and thus increase our understanding of truth to its highest levels.

1) Natural Law?

2) ditto

3) ditto

4) ditto + (social alchemy?)

5) I doubt you have enough data to confirm that, but I can accept that.

6) Do you have any data showing that mojo's don't change?

7) Human matrix?

8) Again, what is natural law how do you know what it does?
Besides why should all mojo's be valuable?

9) So everything is energy is energy evolving -> natural law?

10) Ok

11) How do you know this? Is the energy spiritual or material?
If it is material: Do you have evidence for it?

12) What is truth?


This has got to be the only typology theory that tries to build an entire philosophy around it.

Edit: They're changing their worldview to fit a motherfucking typology theory. How is this not a cult?

 

[Anaximander]

ALL human understanding fits within the Understanding Continuum. The Understanding Continuum is how ALL humans are wired to understand and interact with their physical and metaphysical existence.

'humans are wired to understand and interact with their physical and metaphysical existence' = 'ALL human understanding'

Pod'Lair Theory is unprecedented in scope of vision and power of concept. There are many previous theories that Pod'Lair will have overlap with. Pod'Lair Theory will be correcting previous theories as well as bringing a multitude of new fields of study into existence. This will be done with a degree and amount of irrefutable evidence that is unmatched.

How the fuck do you know that if don't already have the evidence?

Born a Nai’xyy //(:+ I have not found this world very conducive to my deep thinking. This world always interrupts me from contacting and learning from my native world of Nai (//), my inner imagination. Didn’t know it at the time but I had a powerful drive to understand this world we live in and make sense of it in relation to the world of my Nai (//).

This explains a lot.

It's basically a retarded version of Greek philosophy.

After school I am told I did a variety of things some of which I remember and some I don’t. Amnesia periods of several years exist at this point. My psyche informs me that this was needed to avoid unneeded pain and also to make room for more philosophizing. My psyche wanted to think about nothing but what I thought was ‘fantasies’ of my mind. Well they are fantasies but they come from my Spirit Forms (as it does for all humans) and great ‘knowings’ were embedded in them. I was only aware of portions of this as I also glimpsed pieces here and there as I had my ‘visioning time’.

Again, a retarded version of Plato.

uring all of this I needed various ‘covers’ to be able to go about my intense philosophizing and metaphysical detective work. Humans tend to get annoyed at other humans who waste their time doing this and don’t do practical things. As much as possible I tried to do things that would allow me to continue to be a seeker while getting hassled by the world as little as possible. The world and I had not gotten off on a good foot and I had met only a handful of people along the way that I felt some closeness to and let down some of my extensive guard.

My Spirit Forms keep information from me and I keep information from everyone else. Every fiber of my being is secretive due to our (my spirits and I) distrust of humans and their typical ignorance. Started a small grappling martial arts school with some of the skills I had learned along my travels. It was a good cover for my secret identity as a relentless seeker of enlightenment. While teaching my top two students (both Nai’xyy //(:+) and one of their fathers, (Nai’zyy //(#)) aspects of Pod’Lair theory leaked out while discussing the style we were practicing.

Visit a psychologist, please.

 

[Anaximander]

Once I found people I could talk with and understand the Pod’Lair theory that was woven into everything I did, it became addictive. My Spirit Forms demanded that we put the theory out for the world to see. This went against all my experiences and protocols so far in life. It had so far been all about keeping a very small crew around me of people I could trust and keep my private thoughts deeply hidden from all others. Even those I trusted I would share very little with.

My Spirit Forms demanded more of me. I wasn’t being heroic enough. I had to give voice to the thoughts that weighed on me with such gravity. When I did this there was much fallout with my life as I had it set up until then. My Spirits did not care. It was time to make the move to give voice to the truth I thought I had come to in the model of thought that was bursting out from within me. So here I begin…

I hope the spirits never tell you to kill someone.

In a nutshell, the psyche is configured a certain way based on a great many mathematical factors that only allow for Sixteen Design Configurations.

The mysterious mathematical factors!

Pod'Lair is based on a rock solid Proof of Concept, the evidence for which we are in the process of gathering and presenting to the public.

Aaah, the rock solid Proof of Concept for which you haven't got the evidence.

Really solid.

There are quite a few things Pod’Lair can do that will have an impact similar to the Theory of Relativity and Darwin's Evolution of Species. When those theories arrived, they were correcting all the work that came before them. Lots of people are attempting to read people and there are many models that try, but if you were going to do that, there are certain maneuvers you should be able to pull off of which no one else can currently do. Why? There is a language, it is universal, it comes from the Configuration of the psyche and that plays itself out in physiological cues. Lots of people are trying to see this and guess at it, but no one has it yet, or they would be able to do certain things. What are those?

Really?

Really?

Why are they taken seriously?

Whyyyyyyyyyy?

Awe in Human Design

The more you read other people and yourself, the more you understand how humans work and how incredible it is. We are clearly the most amazing thing Natural Law ever made. We are the evolution of Natural Law and as far as we know, we are the most advanced, sophisticated, beautiful, powerful evolved thing out there. We need to take responsibility for that and learning to read Mojo is the first step.

Jay, a retarded version of Plotinus.

This is unprecedented research that presents to the world an unprecedented opportunity to get unprecedented rewards, especially for those who have the foresight to get on board at these early stages.

Are you selling me a product?

Never before has a model existed that can provide this kind of accuracy and Proof of Concept in regards to reading people and their innate nature. While some models pretend to be able to provide quality products and competent services in this regard, no so-called “authority” in the fields of Cognitive Functionality, Neurolinguistic Programming, or Face Reading has come close to these levels of insight, accuracy and Proof-of-Concept.

Proof-of-Concept! Hooray!

 

[Anaximander]

I should really go to bed now.
Hopefully the spirits won't bother me in my sleep.

 

[Lyra]

You really need to distinguish your Platonism from your Aristotelianism. You really need to to distinguish external resemblance of a conclusion from the argument which justifies that conclusion. And you really, really need to stop spamming up the page with a dozen disconnected emanations of the same essential stupid.

Go deeper before you make a fool of yourself like that, next time, you bronze-blooded pleb.

 

[C pT Fox]

The mysterious mathematical factors!

I think I've cracked it!

Obj/Subj dy-chot-o-mi! (2)
Adaptive / Directive dy-chot-o-mi! (2)
dy-chot-o-mi factor! (2)
Multiplicative factor determined by permutational analysis and mirrored by obj/subj dy-chot-o-mi!(2)

Ladies and gents:

((2 * 2)(2)) = 8
8 * 2 = 16!!!

 

[Architect]

Still not making much progress. Found "The Sourcebook" (PL site isn't Safari compatible - I thought it was down for days until I tried Chrome). Anyhow it's all laid out in there, but I'm still not finding much beyond advanced MBTI that is useful, beyond physiological cues, and the need for periodic psychic readjustments.

 

[Lyra]

That's because you're not Reading.

You haven't worked out why we've gotten the results we have. There's a reason for that. And you haven't worked out we have the results we have. Because you're not Reading.

You need to do it.

 

[InvisibleJim]

That's because you're not Reading.

It's Christmas.

Merry Christmas Lyra.

As a Christmas present to me, I wish for a concise and clear description of all Pod'lair theory.

I'm also completely alarmed by your recent eccentric trend of 'targetting' people on youtube. It is very embarrassing and unworthy of further description. Take that message to the smartest man alive.

Hero in waiting,

InvisibleJim

 

[Lyra]

As a Christmas present to me, I wish for a concise and clear description of all Pod'lair theory.

Santa only brings presents to the kids who do their homework.

 

[redbaron]

I can't help but laugh at these videos with their shitty, amateur-hour visual effects.

A bunch of wannabe philosophers with a passing interest in MBTI discovered Windows Movie Maker, then went about recording videos of them talking about their breakthroughs in pseudoscience and figured that since the information itself was not falsifiable and wouldn't be taken seriously - they'd max out the contrast, add some fun, bubbly text and pretty colours in order to rally more impressionable dipshits (like Lyra) to their cause.

 

[snafupants]

Santa only brings presents to the kids who do their homework.

That sounds like what people say about god - god helps those who help themselves. Oh gee, it's almost as though god really isn't there.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

So PL is based off MBTI yet PL makes it out to be wrong because they don't do it 'the correct' way? Reading micro expressions to determine a type I think is plausible but not in one video length session. It should happen over a course of weeks so as to get the full measure of a person.

And the main website reminded me of a horoscope site. The type descriptions also reminded me of such. They were clearly reworded MBTI descriptions. The overall experience come across as 'cultish'.

Please understand this is only at first glance and as such I am very uniformed. But the site doesn't go out of its way to explain Pod'lair clearly from a scientific viewpoint. It seems more like a marketing scheme with an almost zealous following. Reminds me of a church.

I will however investigate further so as to not appear like a total re and so I can have an 'informed' opinion.

 

[Lyra]

Please understand this is only at first glance and as such I am very uniformed.

Pretty much.

I will however investigate further so as to not appear like a total re and so I can have an 'informed' opinion.

As of your last post, you're playing catchup in that particular race.

 

[Lyra]

Thing is, the only claim to credibility you have is the shallow front of rational-sounding cynicism you use to compensate for a poverty of genuine argument. I find that to be far more indicative of impressionability and shallow conformity than the position I'm taking, which, even if wrong, is based upon a positively and explicitly stated epistemological approach and set of conclusions.

Wannabe? Well... my academic record and enrollment says otherwise, if that's the standard you're using. My knowledge of philosophy says otherwise, if that's the standard you're using. More importantly, the actual nature and direction and duration of my thought and actions in relation to it says otherwise. Like most of your words, this is just an empty insult used to denigrate that which you're incapable of engaging with rationally. In this case at least, the essence of the thing you're attacking is what your empty shell of a persona seeks to be strengthened by the appearance of.

Just one more credulous, mundane prole enamored with the image of latter-day materialism, alien to the spirit of rational discovery which brought it into this world.

I can't help but laugh at these videos with their shitty, amateur-hour visual effects.

A bunch of wannabe philosophers with a passing interest in MBTI discovered Windows Movie Maker, then went about recording videos of them talking about their breakthroughs in pseudoscience and figured that since the information itself was not falsifiable and wouldn't be taken seriously - they'd max out the contrast, add some fun, bubbly text and pretty colours in order to rally more impressionable dipshits (like Lyra) to their cause.

 

[snafupants]

Thing is, the only claim to credibility you have is the shallow front of rational-sounding cynicism you use to compensate for a poverty of genuine argument. I find that to be far more indicative of impressionability and shallow conformity than the position I'm taking, which, even if wrong, is based upon a positively and explicitly stated epistemological approach and set of conclusions.

You flatter yourself.

Wannabe? Well... my academic record and enrollment says otherwise, if that's the standard you're using. My knowledge of philosophy says otherwise, if that's the standard you're using. More importantly, the actual nature and direction and duration of my thought and actions in relation to it says otherwise. Like most of your words, this is just an empty insult used to denigrate that which you're incapable of engaging with rationally. In this case at least, the essence of the thing you're attacking is what your empty shell of a persona seeks to be strengthened by the appearance of.

How are you not doing what you chastise above?

Just one more credulous, mundane prole enamored with the image of latter-day materialism, alien to the spirit of rational discovery which brought it into this world.

So the person is enamored with materialism but oblivious to materialism?

That makes sense.

 

[BigApplePi]

Pod'Lair Sourcebook

@Lyra. Nice work to your team on the Sourcebook* and Merry Christmas.

Noticeably absent are authors and footnotes as to historical sources for names and concepts. Is the reason for this because it is to be presented as an art-form?

*I would thank Architect for locating this.

 

[Architect]

That's because you're not Reading.

You haven't worked out why we've gotten the results we have. There's a reason for that. And you haven't worked out we have the results we have. Because you're not Reading.

You need to do it.

OK I'll study the Reading cues next and watch the vids. Can you explain how Reading will make it all clear for me?

 

[Lyra]

@Architect well it is the referent to which all of our expressions point. So it will allow you to make sense of them and their actual function, instead of constantly positing best-fit referents of your own creation in an attempt to make sense of them, resulting in your current confusions.

If you'd like a more thorough epistemological treatment of the relevance of subjective exploration to the alteration of possible rational frameworks I've undertaken that in my 'Dark Materials' thread in the literature section. That thread also contains my personal perspective upon the historical context and relevance of Pod'Lair.

I'd strongly recommend the multi-tab/window approach I suggested in an above post. Just keep going back to that. And also watching the contained videos individually, as you look into the cues. It will be a huge waste of your time to leave Reading until *after* you've absorbed and done your best to parse all of that. The process is designed to be hand-in-hand.

 

[Lyra]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

@Lyra. Nice work to your team on the Sourcebook* and Merry Christmas.

Noticeably absent are authors and footnotes as to historical sources for names and concepts. Is the reason for this because it is to be presented as an art-form?

I would thank Architect for locating this.

We just do not give a fuck. We have the truth and fuck that Aristotelian/Vai-locked bullshit. We give the most accurate picture of these aspects of Natural law available, and we can do that because we've lived how we've lived. And it wasn't by those superfluous academic standards you're invoking. Y'all should be following our game and standards because of our results-- and the same applies in reverse to the standards you're talking about.

If people are too stupid/sycophantic/institutionally-brownosing to get it without a pandering presentation in terms of those standards, they can just stay behind the game. We don't care about them.

Also we invented most/all of the relevant or pivotal concepts.

 

[snafupants]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

Also we invented most/all of the relevant or pivotal concepts.

@Lyra

Unequivocally untrue.

 

[Architect]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

Architect well it is the referent to which all of our expressions point. So it will allow you to make sense of them and their actual function, instead of constantly positing best-fit referents of your own creation in an attempt to make sense of them, resulting in your current confusions.

If you'd like a more thorough epistemological treatment of the relevance of subjective exploration to the alteration of possible rational frameworks I've undertaken that in my 'Dark Materials' thread in the literature section. That thread also contains my personal perspective upon the historical context and relevance of Pod'Lair.

Thanks, but that doesn't make much sense to me, nor does the Dark Materials thread. It's like reading Finnegans Wake. I much prefer straight shooting expository writing when I'm trying to understand a subject. However I'll give it a go.

We just do not give a fuck. We have the truth and fuck that Aristotelian/Vai-locked bullshit. We give the most accurate picture of these aspects of Natural law available, and we can do that because we've lived how we've lived. And it wasn't by those superfluous academic standards you're invoking.

If people are too stupid/sycophantic/institutionally-brownosing to get it without a pandering presentation in terms of those standards, they can just stay behind the game. We don't care about them.

Also we invented most/all of the relevant or pivotal concepts.

I'm curious how you can say that and claim that you are not either in a grip experience, or at least being adolescent? I understand in either case, if I was 20 years younger I'd join up and act just the same. Now I'm merely interested to see what you have that is valuable.

If it overall is a superior system then I'll 'jump ship'. If not then I'll bring the useful bits back to augment MBTI.

 

[Lyra]

Look forward to having you on ship, then.

Um, I'll definitely address any of your other concerns as fully as I can*, and am still intending to write some kind of summary/introduction-course document and hopefully glossary for you, but let's wait until after you've got some Reading behind you.

Symbiosis, see. Co-operation. We help people who care!

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*I'll possibly do my best to ignore the other miscellaneous trash that accumulates in this thread. Or what they say.

 

[Architect]

Symbiosis, see. Co-operation. We help people who care!

@Lyra

I care about what is true and worthwhile which is why I'm giving it a shot*, despite the time investment and difficulty. And if I find it's not worthwhile I'll still keep it close; because while you need to keep your friends close, you need your 'enemies' closer. I've found this to be just as true in the intellectual arena.

Anyhow - pretend I'm dense here - can you point me towards the videos I should be watching and what exactly I should do to learn Reading? I'd rather not waste time taking the wrong path.

* As for me I think I've moved beyond the need for an intro/glossary. I've been able to mostly pick out the basics of your ideas, without being completely conversant in them. However for others it is still necessary.

 

[Lyra]

Sure will do. Gtg Christmas Turkey and @Fukyo is being womanly and stuff, but check back later today.

 

[Fukyo]

@Architect, you're looking for the MojoReadingRevealed channel

 

[Anaximander]

1) Natural Law?

2) ditto

3) ditto

4) ditto + (social alchemy?)

5) I doubt you have enough data to confirm that, but I can accept that.

6) Do you have any data showing that mojo's don't change?

7) Human matrix?

8) Again, what is natural law how do you know what it does?
Besides why should all mojo's be valuable?

9) So everything is energy is energy evolving -> natural law?

10) Ok

11) How do you know this? Is the energy spiritual or material?
If it is material: Do you have evidence for it?

12) What is truth?

My previous posts were a bit ranty but I'd still like an answer to these questions.
They're stated as being your principles. If I can't understand these how can I understand the rest?

 

[Architect]

Architect, you're looking for the MojoReadingRevealed channel

Ugh, hours of video there. OK, starting with this one

Intro

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

If it overall is a superior system then I'll 'jump ship'. If not then I'll bring the useful bits back to augment MBTI.

I have my eye on this. I believe in integration, not exiting because I want to see how the whole world works.

Note that MBTI has gotten there first. Compare QWERTY over Dvorak or English measuring over Metric measuring. If you want to practice the new system, it's either revolution or be nice to the old system.

Right now I see MBTI = personality simple
Pod'Lair = personality elaboration + philosophy/psychology special integration complex

 

[Architect]

That was OK. The listing of celebrity after celebrity wasn't too helpful, but the first part was better where the different members contrasted themselves. I guess I still need a lexicon however as I only have a vague understanding of what you mean here. Is the Yin-Yang the female-male dynamic? Other questions I'm forgetting ....

well I'll try this one next

Reading

 

[Architect]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

I have my eye on this. I believe in integration, not exiting because I want to see how the whole world works.

Note that MBTI has gotten there first. Compare QWERTY over Dvorak or English measuring over Metric measuring. If you want to practice the new system, it's either revolution or be nice to the old system.

Right now I see MBTI = personality simple
Pod'Lair = personality elaboration + philosophy/psychology special integration complex

Yes, at the moment I agree with you. PL seems to be taking an overly 'worked up' approach. I would have much preferred building directly on MBTI and extending it, and what I'm seeing so far could have done that very well.

Except I'd say
"Please Understand Me" = typology beginner
"MBTI" = typology advanced
"PL" = typology + philosophy + ...

 

[Lyra]

@Architect Fukyo's right but you're showing good will and I want to help you out with this.

Ok so IMO after those orientations you want;

The videos for each of the 5 gears. You need these before you begin Reading, and they'll show you what to look for.

The crash course videos or the sample lists on the site or the typology town list from the site. Whichever interests you/helps you read with more enthusiasm.

The 5-6 'Zyy vs. Xyy', 'emoting vs. neutralizing' etc. short videos from the Channel. Probably starting with 'Yang/Yin Gesturing'. That's a really obvious one.

This really isn't a massive workload. It's a good morning's work to get a handle on what you're doing with Reading.

Then, again, I recommend using the window/tab method I described and also working out your own ways of Reading. Follow configurations and samples as they interest you, compare, look for the patterns in the aforementioned videos. A picture will begin to build. You'll have the beginnings of an accurate reference point for what all our words/theories point to and what we seem to be saying will begin to change.

You might then find it helpful to go back to theory videos from Pod'Lair Planet and Empire of Enlightenment. Until then you can browse the Source Book as a quick point-of-reference guide to the overall shape of the theory we've extrapolated from the Reading you're engaged in.

When Reading:

-Try experimenting with focusing on different gears.
-Follow what interests/excites you.
-Remember not to use your interpretation of what a cue word means-- try to find the objective phenomenon we're referring to by a term. The MRR videos will give a lot of clues to what that is.
-See how much you can see. How far you can take it. Be very critical and analytical about the results of how far you can take it (you don't need me to tell you that), but also give it a good go and see how far it can go.
-It takes time. The lens needs to develop/change. But follow the insight/clues you get and it won't be arduous in any bad way.

Also bear in mind we've just been trying to get this out. It is complex and we're still learning the best/fastest way to communicate it all. We're doing that all the time. Right now we're navigating copyrights etc. and trawling old public domain footage so we can show you in-depth, annotated Reads of individuals, which highlighted cues and discussions of what they show us. But you really do have enough above to begin making massive progress with your understanding of people, and hopefully the leads that gives you will be your guide and make the process more rewarding and sensical to you than it's been so far.

 

[Architect]

Architect, Fukyo's right but you're showing good will and I want to help you out with this.

Thank you. I'm not sure what Fukyo post you're referring to though, no matter.

Ok so IMO after those orientations you want;

OK thanks.

This really isn't a massive workload. It's a good morning's work to get a handle on what you're doing with Reading.

Possibly, but I've already put some hours into it. With my life that's a good sized commitment.

Then, again, I recommend using the window/tab method I described and also working out your own ways of Reading. Follow configurations and samples as they interest you, compare, look for the patterns in the aforementioned videos. A picture will begin to build. You'll have the beginnings of an accurate reference point for what all our words/theories point to and what we seem to be saying will begin to change. ...

Will try

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Pod'Lair Sourcebook

@Lyra

We just do not give a fuck.

That will help your concentration but at the cost of outsider support. It can be called narcissistic and you know what happened to him. Ask Adymus if he feels this way.

We have the truth and fuck that Aristotelian/Vai-locked bullshit.

Aristotle might turn over in his grave. Try Vyy (~ Se), as opposed to (Vai ~ Si).

We give the most accurate picture of these aspects of Natural law available, and we can do that because we've lived how we've lived. And it wasn't by those superfluous academic standards you're invoking. Y'all should be following our game and standards because of our results

I don't care for academic standards any more than you do.

Because of your experience you begin with a relatively blank slate and can write on it. Thus you see accuracy but only guess at value for others.

You don't know me and you don't know what I and others know. I prefer to add on and integrate* my knowledge. That may be off-putting to you and be distracting to what you wish to build. You may not necessarily lose me, but you will lose others. A closed system allows those in who have the key, but others may not want to turn the key. Good luck.
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*The dialectic: thesis + another thesis --> synthesis. You must be familiar with that.