Hello, I'm new.

[Publius]

It's been a long time since I've posted on an internet forum after being a somewhat respected member of a well-known video games forum for some 5 or 6 years. I'm a little rusty.

I'm Tom and I'm 23. I live in the UK in an unspecified very nice middle class town in a flat with my ENFJ girlfriend who I have been with for four years. I have a pretty modest life and a very ordinary office job which I sort of enjoy due to heavy involvement with CRM software. I like to spend a great deal of time alone, composing bizarre pop music and soaking myself in atmospheric games and films. I have very little time for rules, hype, pretentiousness, teenagers and music as a social soundtrack.

I did the Myers Briggs test recently and became a bit obsessed with personality types. Does anyone else think that INTPs are more likely to be interested in the concept of a personality type index than any other types?

Well, what I have written seems a bit disaparate, so...ask me anything?

 

[Da Blob]

Welcome!

Having been a teenager, one now despises them?

I understand completely, I am now 57 years old.

BTW- there are numerous teenagers in this forum and some elders with adolescent minds... just so one knows...

 

[Absurdity]

Welcome to the forum.

Does anyone else think that INTPs are more likely to be interested in the concept of a personality type index than any other types?

Some claim Jung was an INTP, and it makes sense, as abstracting messy human cognition into a rational system (pretty much from the comfort of your armchair) seems like a very INTP thing to do.

I think INTPs are certainly more likely to appreciate it than extroverts, who would rather deal directly with people, and sensors, who don't grasp abstractions as readily. That being said, other introverted intuitives also take interest in the system, especially INFJs.

 

[Duxwing]

It's been a long time since I've posted on an internet forum after being a somewhat respected member of a well-known video games forum for some 5 or 6 years. I'm a little rusty.

I'm Tom and I'm 23. I live in the UK in an unspecified very nice middle class town in a flat with my ENFJ girlfriend who I have been with for four years. I have a pretty modest life and a very ordinary office job which I sort of enjoy due to heavy involvement with CRM software. I like to spend a great deal of time alone, composing bizarre pop music and soaking myself in atmospheric games and films. I have very little time for rules, hype, pretentiousness, teenagers and music as a social soundtrack.

I did the Myers Briggs test recently and became a bit obsessed with personality types. Does anyone else think that INTPs are more likely to be interested in the concept of a personality type index than any other types?

Well, what I have written seems a bit disaparate, so...ask me anything?

I suppose that by teenager, you refer to those people who are incapable of intelligent discussion. If I am incorrect in so supposing, do correct me, otherwise, I shall continue my point:

Do not tar all those between the ages of thirteen and twenty (including ages thirteen and twenty, in case you happen to be picky on logic) with the same brush. Even if the vast majority of them are incapable of rational discussion on theoretical topics, in my years, I've met some that can. They congregate at school clubs devoted to the purpose of such discussions, and sometimes compete in regional, state, and national debate competitions; for the engineers among them, entire organizations, like F.I.R.S.T., are devoted to nurturing them into bright minds who will invent the technologies that will power the future.

Indeed, bright teenagers abound.

-Duxwing

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Duxwing is certainly the brightest teenager I have ever encountered.

 

[Absurdity]

Duxwing is certainly the brightest teenager I have ever encountered.

Seconded.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Dux is a teenager?! Neeto. He's a good teenager. *pets Dux*

You pet teenagers, right?

 

[Duxwing]

@ProxyAmenRa
@Absurdity

I... I'm floored. *big, warm bear hugs for you both if you want them* :3

@SpaceYeti No-one believed that I was a teenager at the last forum that I went to until I submitted video proof, and even afterwards, one guy thought that I had a son and had coerced him into pretending to be me; therefore, I find your surprise *puts on sunglasses*... UNSURPRISING! *guitar solo* YEAAAAAH!

Apart from my little spiel, *pants, whines, and gives puppy-dog eyes* *wants to play fetch*

-Duxwing

 

[The Introvert]

I suppose that by teenager, you refer to those people who are incapable of intelligent discussion. If I am incorrect in so supposing, do correct me, otherwise, I shall continue my point:

Do not tar all those between the ages of thirteen and twenty (including ages thirteen and twenty, in case you happen to be picky on logic) with the same brush. Even if the vast majority of them are incapable of rational discussion on theoretical topics, in my years, I've met some that can. They congregate at school clubs devoted to the purpose of such discussions, and sometimes compete in regional, state, and national debate competitions; for the engineers among them, entire organizations, like F.I.R.S.T., are devoted to nurturing them into bright minds who will invent the technologies that will power the future.

Indeed, bright teenagers abound.

-Duxwing

I second Duxwing's opinion (being a fellow teenager), albeit less eloquently and more smiley .

Elephant-riding smiley, that is.

But seriously, I hate stereotyping. Don't do that.

 

[Montresor]

Where do you brains come from and what are you doing on the internet?! Socializing?

Wow that was powerful information to freely divulge I would be slow to spread it around, I mean, unless you really want to. And I don't really hand out unwarranted advice. That was right out of character.

 

[SpiralHacker]

Hi Publius. My hypothesis is that NTPs like how personality type theory gives a model for understanding people and relationships which appeals to introverted thinking and extraverted feeling.

 

[SpaceYeti]

therefore, I find your surprise *puts on sunglasses*... UNSURPRISING! *guitar solo* YEAAAAAH!

Apart from my little spiel, *pants, whines, and gives puppy-dog eyes* *wants to play fetch*

-Duxwing

I was going to record myself quickly sucking balls at playing a noodled guitar solo, but it wouldn't be worth the effort just for a stupid joke.

*throws guitar*

 

[Duxwing]

I was going to record myself quickly sucking balls at playing a noodled guitar solo, but it wouldn't be worth the effort just for a stupid joke.

*throws guitar*

*runs after it, catches it in mid-air, then buries it and runs away*

-Duxwing

 

[The Introvert]

Where do you brains come from and what are you doing on the internet?! Socializing?

Wow that was powerful information to freely divulge I would be slow to spread it around, I mean, unless you really want to. And I don't really hand out unwarranted advice. That was right out of character.

What?

 

[Montresor]

What what?

I mean that first I advised you two not to spread that info around. Not for any reason in particular, just I was surprised you don't keep it hidden.

Then I remembered it's your decision and that I shouldn't spread my advice around.

To save face I'll try and say that's out of character for me. At least I'll try to keep it out of character for Montresor.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I did the Myers Briggs test recently and became a bit obsessed with personality types. Does anyone else think that INTPs are more likely to be interested in the concept of a personality type index than any other types?

Well, what I have written seems a bit disaparate, so...ask me anything?

Is it true that anarchy in the U.K. equates to denying an offering of a cup of tea?

And I'd imagine the usefullness of systems like the MBTI varies by type and situation. An xSxJ, for example, could use the categorizations to manage people they've categorized via Si.

 

[Publius]

Thank you for all your replies! Particularly to my provocative point about teenagers. That got the joint jumpin'!

I'm really a nice chap and I feel I now have to convince you all of this. I don't hate teenagers, in fact I hate very little. This seems like a very nice, mature community.

thehabitatdoctor - anarchy in the UK is certainly turning down a cup of tea. You would be surprised. If you have a minute, check out https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish for an amusing account of the quibbles we British folk face every day. We're an overwhelmingly polite society, which both amuses and frustrates me. Your Fool quotation is appropriate there!

 

[snafupants]

Hello, I'm old.

 

[Publius]

But how old?

 

[snafupants]

But how old?

Eighty three but young at heart.

 

[kora]

OMG!!! Like, how can u say that bout' uz it's so mean and BiTcHy?????? Like, we hv persanal prblms u no??? Ones that u totally wudn't understand...Like with our parentz and our acne stuffff...Doesn't matta lOvE YoU LoTs anyway cuz I'M a nice person XOXO <3 <3<3 <3

...I just turned 19 so I can still irritate you for another 12 months or so. Welcome to the forum, nice to meet you. And yes INTP's and INTJ's tend to re-group on the Internet more-so than other types it seems.

PS: Don't ever believe anything snafupants says

 

[SpaceYeti]

^ To be fair, you don't really need a warning for that. Everything she says is so obviously false that believing her would cause global flooding.

 

[Cavallier]

*side steps Yeti and Dux in their mutual cuddle session*

Welcome to the forum and what not.

I am also old.

 

[Montresor]

I am also old.

do those emoticons mean: "get off my lawn!" ??

 

[Cavallier]

Correct. More specifically, "Get off my lawn!...now where did I put my stork?".

 

[Montresor]

now where did I put my stork

hahahahahaha where is it? where is it? i just saw it not long ago!

 

[loveofreason]

With storks, a lawn, various roundish body parts and a mallet, we could play croquet!

Hello Publius. What mean you by "music as a social soundtrack"? There are so many ways to imagine that, and I wonder what aspect is particularly grating.

 

[Montresor]

I wonder if he means garnering nostalgic feelings from popular music as a way to facilitate socialization with others. Maybe he finds it altogether shallow.

 

[kora]

^ To be fair, you don't really need a warning for that. Everything she says is so obviously false that believing her would cause global flooding.

Can't tell if
1: elaborate joke implying Snafupants lied to you about his gender.
2: Snafupants is a girl (which would surprise me greatly)
3: Genuinely fell for Snafupants' lie in which case this is hilariously ironic.
4: You're expecting Snafupants to correct you, in which case you have a joke prepared and I've just ruined it.


Please let it be number 4... Maybe I'm just really tired and it'll make sense in the morning.

 

[redbaron]

Can't tell if
1: elaborate joke implying Snafupants lied to you about his gender.
2: Snafupants is a girl (which would surprise me greatly)
3: Genuinely fell for Snafupants' lie in which case this is hilariously ironic.
4: You're expecting Snafupants to correct you, in which case you have a joke prepared and I've just ruined it.


Please let it be number 4... Maybe I'm just really tired and it'll make sense in the morning.

It's number 2.

 

[The Introvert]

I mean that first I advised you two not to spread that info around. Not for any reason in particular, just I was surprised you don't keep it hidden.

What information? That I'm a teenager?

Didn't know that was something I needed to keep hidden.

 

[Duxwing]

I second Duxwing's opinion (being a fellow teenager), albeit less eloquently and more smiley .

Elephant-riding smiley, that is.

But seriously, I hate stereotyping. Don't do that.

Eloquent? Really? Awwwwwww, thanks! *big warm bear hug*

-Duxwing

 

[Montresor]

What are you trying to hold me accountable for, exactly?

 

[SpaceYeti]

I hate stereotyping. Don't do that.

Don't talk like that to your elders! Now turn your hat around and pull your pants up, you wippershnapper!

*slowly chases you with walking stick*

 

[SpaceYeti]

What are you trying to hold me accountable for, exactly?

Your crimes against humankind!

 

[The Introvert]

What are you trying to hold me accountable for, exactly?

I don't know if you're trolling, you misunderstood something I said, I misunderstood what you said, or you're just stupid.

My guess is it's a combination of the second and third options.

Your posts are extremely ambiguous, however, so it could also be the first option. Regardless, I don't even care anymore.

​

 

[The Introvert]

Don't talk like that to your elders! Now turn your hat around and pull your pants up, you wippershnapper!

*slowly chases you with walking stick*

You shut up or I'll poison your tapioca.




Guess I shouldn't have said that out loud

 

[Montresor]

Prepare to be ignored for a long time.

 

[The Introvert]

Prepare to be ignored for a long time.

I'm used to the cold shoulder.

Edit: Where are my manners? Welcome, Publius! I hope you enjoy it here!

 

[Publius]

With storks, a lawn, various roundish body parts and a mallet, we could play croquet!

Hello Publius. What mean you by "music as a social soundtrack"? There are so many ways to imagine that, and I wonder what aspect is particularly grating.

Interestingly, I was posting in another thread about how I'm a very nostalgic person, especially where music is concerned.

It's difficult to describe. I take music very seriously - a lot more seriously than I perhaps should - and loathe when it is branded and cut down so far that it becomes little more than an excuse for a catchphrase.

Of course in retrospect, it was a terrible facet of my personality to give away in a first post and I really wish I hadn't. I feel all indignant now.

Thank you all for your kind welcomes, by the way. You all seem very engaging.

 

[redbaron]

Hi new, I'm redbaron.

 

[loveofreason]

So it's a reaction based upon perceived sacrilege of something deeply meaningful to the self; the dilution of the personal soundtrack with commercial fashions. Not at all what I thought you might say, but I'm glad it's that, and not a general dislike for the way music underscores our lives.

Not that you need my approval :smiley_emoticons_mr

What I find interesting (and some scholarly type has written about this - I forget who, but it gives me the right words to describe something unsettling, so I plagiarise the expression), is the phenomenon of branding social identity. Humans identified by the type of music (among other things) that they consume, rather than engaged in the experience of creating. ie. music as product and identity as consumer of product rather than music and human identity arising from creative experience.

I've only once had an inkling of what it must be like for gifted people to express themselves through the creation of music, and for those around them to become part of what had the aura of something holy (for want of better word), and therefore become active participant as opposed to being a passive consumer.

I guess your intro indicates you're far from the consumer end of the scale. Sooo...

Indignant? Thou jests? Why is it so terrible to give away such a fact? Will the International Council for the Abasement and Commercial Exploitation of Beauty and Meaning seek you out and ...and... um... umm... do unspeakable things?

 

[Publius]

You said it a lot better than I did! And yes. Music is not something you put on a t-shirt. Although the band I play in does have badges...every cloud and all that...

I am a music creator but I don't think you have to be to fully understand its value. I know a lot of people that listen to all kinds of music, but don't treat it as a product made for mass consumption, like a new car.

Although I was annoyed recently when I went to see a band I like who happen to be very popular (Foals, anyone?) and they have a really wonderful atmospheric song which I listen to with headphones which makes me feel like I'm curling up and dying in the snow in some sort of bleak art film. And all the kids there...were jumping around and singing along. I didn't get how they weren't getting it. And I spent the evening trying to rationalise why. haha

 

[SpaceYeti]

1) Why does it matter whether or not they "get it"?

2) Is the message so unambiguous that there is only one way to enjoy it such that you truly enjoy it and they don't?

3) Is it wrong to enjoy a painting which is masterfully crafted because of the boobies it depicts?

Basically, my point is that whether you enjoy something for a deep or shallow meaning doesn't matter. You enjoy it either way.