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we all have more or less different perceptions of what types are like.

please share some prominent examples of various types.

if you can do 16, awesome, but 4 would already be a good start.

if you don't even know their types, but you can list so many people, all of which seem to be different types, that's interesting too.

don't name various people of one type in one post/batch, unless they are very obviously identical. one man and one woman would be okay.

and i don't make it mandatory, but it would be helpful if all of your examples are somehow roughly similar, like in age, health, equally recognizable and typed by the same method, which ever.


let's not argue about the objective truth of another one's claim. (you can always include a previously mentioned person in your own batch, assigned to another type)

let this be about the subjective coherency of a view.



in so many years of typology i was not able to get something like this.

well, I have many folders of images for each type (wherein tons are sorted incorrectly) and i could perhaps extract some coherent examples.

but i seek inter-subjetivity.

there are plenty of sites that list so many examples for every type.
but i feel each of those listings contains some wrong examples for every type.
then it all becomes meaningless. "which examples are right and which are wrong?"

i always collect people who are the same. but i end up with many chunks, more than 16, or like more than 4 who seem INxx for sure.

then i become confused, about which of those chunks could be merged.
and i beginn to lose perception of where people are even different....

also i suffer from being ignorant about all the types who don't resonate with me. most of my experience is with intuitives.

thanks for considering :)
 

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It's mostyl about their mental processing rather than a "type" of person, the inferior function is always an obvious focus for everyone, i.e. INTPs are focused on Fe implementation via their Ti minds etc etc... I don't see MBTI as a caegory of personality, rather a categorization of people who mentally process in the same way, although their behavios may be completely different...

edit: my batch http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=14645
 

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I think I know where you're coming from with "inter-subjectivity" and "subjective coherency" as a sort of impetus to inquiry or something. I've been able to relate to your ideas lately. I find it exhausting typing random people though. I usually type interesting people I observe and talk to on the streets based on whim. People who are interesting to me are those that somewhat deviate slightly from my understanding of types. Counter-data. And those that that conform to my new ideas of type. I can say that Descartes is an INTP however. Type can be so imposing that it creates the conscious philosophies of the person. "I think therefore I am." That is such a critical, deconstructive, abstract mentality so representative of TiNeSi.
 

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Barack Obama: ENTP (NeTiFeSi)
George W. Bush: INTJ (NiTeFiSe)
Lewis Farrakhan: ENFJ (FeNiSeTi)
Mark Hamilton: INFJ (NiFeTiSe)
Carl Jung: INFJ (NiFeTiSe)
Dakota Fanning: ESFP (SeFiTeNi)
Tom Cruise: ESFJ (FeSiNeTi)
Adam Sandler: ISFJ (SiFeTiNe)

I will update this (Defy me if you wish)
 

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let's not argue about the objective truth of another one's claim. (you can always include a previously mentioned person in your own batch, assigned to another type)

let this be about the subjective coherency of a view.


in so many years of typology i was not able to get something like this.

well, I have many folders of images for each type (wherein tons are sorted incorrectly) and i could perhaps extract some coherent examples.

but i seek inter-subjetivity.

there are plenty of sites that list so many examples for every type.
but i feel each of those listings contains some wrong examples for every type.
then it all becomes meaningless. "which examples are right and which are wrong?"
"Subjective coherency" - I suppose it would give insight into how others view the types. Though, would this be much different from the sites that you see as wrong and meaningless?


The people I've typed are mostly those I've known in person over the years, the typing process was pretty passive since I was already familiar with and understood these people's behaviors and personalities. I could just match profiles. But in trying to type public figures I don't even know, I just start to feel like I'm trying to force things and my cognitive bias is increased. It's not like I could meet them in person, you just have to go off published material or watch their shows/interviews which give an unnatural perspective.

Anyway here's my list:

Keanu Reeves - NiTe or FiNe

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Albert Camus - Ni

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Sun Ra - FeNi

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Carl Jung - Ni and/or Ti

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Kevin James - Se

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Ashton Kutcher SeFi

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Snoop Dogg/Lion - Si

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John Travolta - Si

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Albert Einstein - Ne, Ti

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Sarah Silverman - NeFi

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More uncertain/biased:
Jim Morrison NiFe

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Jimi Hendrix - NiFe/NeFi ?

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Muammar Gaddafi - FeNi

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Mila Kunis - SeFi

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Martin Heidegger Ti?

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Richard Nixon FiSe

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Tara Reid - SeFi

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Denzel Washington TeSi/FiSe

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Robert De Niro - TiSe

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"Subjective coherency" - I suppose it would give insight into how others view the types. Though, would this be much different from the sites that you see as wrong and meaningless?


The people I've typed are mostly those I've known in person over the years, the typing process was pretty passive since I was already familiar with and understood these people's behaviors and personalities. I could just match profiles. But in trying to type public figures I don't even know, I just start to feel like I'm trying to force things and my cognitive bias is increased. It's not like I could meet them in person, you just have to go off published material or watch their shows/interviews which give an unnatural perspective.

Anyway here's my list:

Keanu Reeves - NiTe or FiNe INTJ

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Albert Camus - Ni

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Sun Ra - FeNi

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Carl Jung - Ni and/or Ti INTP

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Kevin James - Se

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Ashton Kutcher SeFi ESFJ

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Snoop Dogg/Lion - Si

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John Travolta - Si INTP

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Albert Einstein - Ne, Ti ENTP

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Sarah Silverman - NeFi ISFJ

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More uncertain/biased:
Jim Morrison NiFe
Jimi Hendrix - NiFe/NeFi ?
Muammar Gaddafi - FeNi
Mila Kunis - SeFi INTJ
Martin Heidegger Ti?
Richard Nixon FiSe
Tara Reid - SeFi
Denzel Washington TeSi/FiSe ISTJ
Robert De Niro - TiSe

Added my typings, some of them are based on very little observations though so not saying I'm right and you're wrong...
 

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thanks for giving it a try :)

rather than arguing, i would try to synthesize your suggestions together, based on the folks, not on suggested functions. if two people gave me 16 different folks each, i should find 2 identical folks for every type and have three opinions (including mine) on their functions. seeing identical folks side by side might help in seeing their true functions.
 

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thanks for giving it a try :)

rather than arguing, i would try to synthesize your suggestions together, based on the folks, not on suggested functions. if two people gave me 16 different folks each, i should find 2 identical folks for every type and have three opinions (including mine) on their functions. seeing identical folks side by side might help in seeing their true functions.

Well, I added a bunch of INTP folks in this thread, had a look? http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?p=330910#post330910
 

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Barack Obama: ENTP (NeTiFeSi)
George W. Bush: INTJ (NiTeFiSe)
Lewis Farrakhan: ENFJ (FeNiSeTi)
Mark Hamilton: INFJ (NiFeTiSe)
Carl Jung: INFJ (NiFeTiSe)
Dakota Fanning: ESFP (SeFiTeNi)
Tom Cruise: ESFJ (FeSiNeTi)
Adam Sandler: ISFJ (SiFeTiNe)

I will update this (Defy me if you wish)

Bush ESTP
Jung INTP
Cruise ESTP
Sandler ISTJ

You were right on Obama... How did you reach your conclusions, what do you look for?
 

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@Ink, I have a talent for typing. I type based on Jungian Typology, and in that theory, my examples are certain. I mean bush ESTP? Are you KIDDING!? wtf dude :D And Jung INTP? You must be shitting me. And the other 2 so called corrections are a joke as well. I could and clarify why they are the types I gave them, but I see it as unnecessary as you simply should have to lurk a little longer IMO.
 

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@Ink, I have a talent for typing. I type based on Jungian Typology, and in that theory, my examples are certain. I mean bush ESTP? Are you KIDDING!? wtf dude :D And Jung INTP? You must be shitting me. And the other 2 so called corrections are a joke as well. I could and clarify why they are the types I gave them, but I see it as unnecessary as you simply should have to lurk a little longer IMO.

It seems you can't even figure out your own type, that takes away all your credibility as a typist I'm afraid. And about Jung, the "inventor" of the cognitive functions, claims himself to be a dominant thinker with a great load of intuition, some sensing and great difficulties with feeling in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biu4ds63lqc Just because someone shows characteristics of other types does not mean that is ones personal strengths.

edit: Cruises insane religous craziness is a great example of being in the grip of inferior Ni as well :)
 

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I will not argue you, you're to irrational. Now stop this conversation, from now on I will ignore anything you say.
 

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LOL, it sounds like you may be INFJ after all :)
 

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I transcend basic Jungian typology. I would type you as an ISTP though.
How you seem to type people is ignorant.
 

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I transcend basic Jungian typology.

Wow! On your other thoughts I would like to hear some logical explanation and not some emotionally based judgments :)

edit: Now that you brought up ignorance, to claim that Jung, a genius, with great wisdom from his long life spent doing much introspection, inventing the whole concept of cognitive functions, got himself typed wrong is what I'd call ignorant.
 

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Chill out, Ink.

There are other threads for arguing your personal typings, two of which you've already made yourself(One two).
 

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Chill out, Ink.

There are other threads for arguing your personal typings, two of which you've already made yourself(One two).

Just defending myself, I'm a chill guy. There's just no reason for own8age to be on his high horse :)
 

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I've read several arguments regarding Obama being ENFJ or ENTP, but i don't buy it. Going mainly by intuition, i sense that Obama is NeTe. He reminds me of my clear NeTe cousin who is familiar with mbti(he introduced it to me) and competently leads a large corporation.
 

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I've read several arguments regarding Obama being ENFJ or ENTP, but i don't buy it. Going mainly by intuition, i sense that Obama is NeTe. He reminds me of my clear NeTe cousin who is familiar with mbti(he introduced it to me) and competently leads a large corporation.

So you think Obama is a Ne-Te user because he in some way you can't put your finger on reminds you of some guy you know? Not the best argument I've heard to be quite honest...
 

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So you think Obama is a Ne-Te user because he in some way you can't put your finger on reminds you of some guy you know? Not the best argument I've heard to be quite honest...

I appreciate your argumentative approach, but the mention of "some guy" was only to assist my main point of disclosure of typing based on intuition. It's difficult to explain...there are several details that cross reference both of these individuals. Not a good argument at all, but it was never an argument in the first place.
 

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I appreciate your argumentative approach, but the mention of "some guy" was only to assist my main point of disclosure of typing based on intuition. It's difficult to explain...there are several details that cross reference both of these individuals. Not a good argument at all, but it was never an argument in the first place.

Well, you can usually find some details that your intuition used, something is better than nothing
 

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thanks for giving it a try :)

rather than arguing, i would try to synthesize your suggestions together, based on the folks, not on suggested functions. if two people gave me 16 different folks each, i should find 2 identical folks for every type and have three opinions (including mine) on their functions. seeing identical folks side by side might help in seeing their true functions.

Alright, using shorthand descriptions to summarize my impressions:

Albert Camus - introspective, illustrative
Sun Ra - mysterious, prophetic, exalted
Carl Jung - abstruse/pedantic, eclectic, thorough
Keanu Reeves - unpretentious, taciturn, depressive
Ashton Kutcher - enthusiastic, youthful, cheerful
Snoop Dogg/Lion - laidback, smooth
John Travolta - laidback, smooth
Sarah Silverman - quirky, audacious
Albert Einstein - scientific?
Kevin James - tactless?
Jim Morrison - cryptic, poetic, distant
Jimi Hendrix - expressive, childlike
Muammar Gaddafi - resolute, noble/prideful
Martin Heidegger - abstruse/pedantic
Tara Reid - shameless, sincere, partyer
Denzel Washington - charismatic?

I find these similarities:

Carl Jung and Martin Heidegger — abstruse/pedantic — Ti?
Sun Ra and Jim Morrison — mysterious/cryptic — Ni, Fe?
Sun Ra and Muammar Gaddafi — exalted/prideful — Fe, Se?
Snoop Dogg and John Travolta - laidback and smooth — Si?


One thing I find easy to notice is the difference between Camus and Heidegger. You could consider them both existentialists, but where Heidegger engages in formal analyses and is more rigorous, Camus prefers allegories and is more artistic.
 
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