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This recent definition, I thought to be accurate and was curious what others thought:

At their most EXTREME:
Entp= socially indifferent and clever creatures with the gift of the gab. They don't give a fuck what you think, as they can spot your weaknesses almost immediately and exploit them at will. They will argue just to argue. They are natural contrarians.

I'd also add that I've been told, and heard this about other ENTPs, that they are good at disarming opponents in arguments, or even when just verbally attacked.

I've heard other definitions, but I'd be interested to hear yours.
 

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Extraverted intuitive types in general are novelty-seekers. They are quick to start new projects or threads of exploration and contribute much of their essence towards discovering unseen possibilities or cross-contextual patterns. They are equally quick to abandon things which they have already explored.

The prevalent characteristic among most Ne types is the attraction to novelty and the dislike for routine or mundane activity (due to repressed/inferior sensing).

Typically the consciousness of Ne orients more toward either logical or value-based modes of determination, however T and F are both forms of inferior functions in a dominant intuitive type and it can be most difficult to distinguish which rational function is the true auxiliary.

In the framework of the MBTI it is occasionally acceptable to identify the auxiliary through positive identification of the tertiary function, especially in extroverted types (similar to the methods whereby introverted personalities are typed through positive identification of the inferior function.) This is acceptable because the MBTI framework forces a particular organization of the inferior functions in order to categorize the eight types into proper subtypes, however it is sometimes emphasized this is simply a method of approximation and not an exact value.
 

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Extraverted intuitive types in general are novelty-seekers. They are quick to start new projects or threads of exploration and contribute much of their essence towards discovering unseen possibilities or cross-contextual patterns. They are equally quick to abandon things which they have already explored.

The prevalent characteristic among most Ne types is the attraction to novelty and the dislike for routine or mundane activity (due to repressed/inferior sensing).

Typically the consciousness of Ne orients more toward either logical or value-based modes of determination, however T and F are both forms of inferior functions in a dominant intuitive type and it can be most difficult to distinguish which rational function is the true auxiliary.

In the framework of the MBTI it is occasionally acceptable to identify the auxiliary through positive identification of the tertiary function, especially in extroverted types (similar to the methods whereby introverted personalities are typed through positive identification of the inferior function.) This is acceptable because the MBTI framework forces a particular organization of the inferior functions in order to categorize the eight types into proper subtypes, however it is sometimes emphasized this is simply a method of approximation and not an exact value.

That seems an accurate and well thought out assessment.

And when I have time, I shall look up what all the technical terminology you use means.
 

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What technical terminology?
 

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I know like, half of these, but in general, I speak in layman's terms, as I generally hang out with laymen.

Ne
T and F
auxiliary
tertiary function
inferior functions
eight types into proper subtypes
 

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I know like, half of these, but in general, I speak in layman's terms, as I generally hang out with laymen.


Define an ENTP in lay terms:

ENTPs typically grasp new concepts extremely well as they notice patterns and connections easily/quickly and have sharp logical abilities.

This trait is highly correlated to the ENTP type and it is likely that if somebody fails to exhibit this trait in some fashion then they fall into one of the other fifteen types, particularly any of the 12 that are not under the NT category.
 
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Define an ENTP:

ENTPs typically grasp new concepts extremely well as they notice patterns and connections very easily/quickly and have very sharp logical abilities.

This trait is very highly correlated to the ENTP type and it is likely that if somebody fails to exhibit this trait in some fashion then they fall into one of the other fifteen types.

They grasp new concepts extremely well, NOT the memorization of technical words associated with these new concepts. Also, they tend to grasp new concepts that they give a shit about. (not trying to be abrasive, this is just how I tawlk).
 

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Yeah, that's pretty good.
 

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which one

regards your dutiful surrogate idiot fuckface
 

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Who do you speak to, kind sir?

you asked to define an ENTP

i am very funny and asking which of them you want defined since you're talking about some single one rather than the category as such
 

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you asked to define an ENTP

i am very funny and asking which of them you want defined since you're talking about some single one rather than the category as such

Jesus Christ, there's multiple kinds of ENTPs now? Fuck, maybe this was a bad idea posting in an INTP forum.

And yes, anyone that says "I am very funny," chances are, you probably are. lol.
 

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Jesus Christ, there's multiple kinds of ENTPs now? Fuck, maybe this was a bad idea posting in an INTP forum.

And yes, anyone that says "I am very funny," chances are, you probably are. lol.

you are one of them, no? shall i define you? "some bloke"

well duhh that was self irony. very advanced social technique. it is a form of charisma.
 

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you are one of them, no? shall i define you? "some bloke"

well duhh that was self irony. very advanced social technique. it is a form of charisma.

One of who? Sorry, I forgot INTPs like to speak in riddles and cryptic, vague words, thinking they are clever, but really just annoying.

ENTP? It says so right on top of my avatar, numb nuts.
 

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One of who? Sorry, I forgot INTPs like to speak in riddles and cryptic, vague words, thinking they are clever, but really just annoying.

ENTP? It says so right on top of my avatar, numb nuts.

one of them ENTP's

this is not a riddle. my verbal presentation is optimal.
 

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I know like, half of these

Ne - Intuition (an irrational/perceiving function) in the extraverted attitude. The dominant function of ENxP types.

T and F - Thinking and Feeling, the rational/judgement functions. Candidates to compete for a segment of consciousness (i.e. auxiliary) in the dominant irrational type (such as N-dominants)

auxiliary - The counterpart to the dominant function which balances the allocation of energy between perceiving and judgement (elements of consciousness) as well as the allocation of energy between the self and the world outside the self.

tertiary function - An inferior function that exists within the MBTI framework to directly oppose the auxiliary. A second alternative for a mode of processing which enables people to make well-informed and coherent decisions. The existence of the tertiary is what enables everybody to access both intuition and sensing as well as both thinking and feeling.

inferior functions - The three functions of consciousness that are repressed to varying degrees by the dominant.

eight types into proper subtypes -

There are two factorization trees that have to be superimposed to properly explain this.

One tree is a base dichotomy of either the introverted or extraverted attitude which oppose each other in every regard.

The second is a base dichotomy of either rational or irrational types.

This yields four main types: extraverted irrationals, extraverted rationals, introverted rationals, introverted irrationals.

Rational types are further distinguished as either thinking or feeling while irrational types are distinguished as either sensate or intuitive.

This yields eight basic types: Te, Se, Ne, Fe, Ti, Si, Ni, Fi

The MBTI further distinguishes these main types into sixteen types which incorporate the element of firmly differentiated auxiliary functions to produce a unique arrangement of all functions (T, S, N, F) and attitudes (E and I) while maintaining certain basic principles of counter-balance between P and J functions as well as I/E attitudes.

Hope this helps!
 

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one of them ENTP's

this is not a riddle. my verbal presentation is optimal.

You verbal presentation, I shall liken to the bile that is puked up by a 18 year old Fraternity Pledge, after a Rich and Rare whiskey chugging initiation rite.
 

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You verbal presentation, I shall liken to the bile that is puked up by a 18 year old Fraternity Pledge, after a Rich and Rare whiskey chugging initiation rite.

i am afraid you have committed cognitive error.
 

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Stuff about ENTPs, other types (intuition doms) included for contrast and context:

ENTPs can admit that they are wrong, if they intuit that they are. They won't admit it just because in the context of a debate their argument doesn't measure up to the opponents logically, not so long as their Ne is still buzzing. Then, they will carry on the argument using insidious means if necessary, expecting to eventually trigger more intuitions with the help of which they expect to come out on top. If there is indeed such an intuition out there the ENTP will be more likely to spot it the longer the argument goes on; I think most of them know this on some level.

ENFPs are too sensitive to do this unless they are quite comfortable with the people in the context. Typically, they will either refrain from doing something so subversive or they take on the role of acting subversive themselves. Employing ridicule - functioning as an unconscious defense mechanism of sorts giving them temporary armor- when they actually have to do it. When they have to do it is typically when Fi has been violated. Tertiary Te emerges from its subconscious dwelling manifested in the form of anger. People are called stupid, useless, non-contributing, illogical: they don't get anything. If they finally get the intuition they needed they might calm down a bit, or if its gone too far at that point they will use it mercilessly. Though if things have gone too far Ne typically has trouble doing what it should; intuitions which would have come easy under harmonious circumstances may be eerily absent. If the ENFP hasn't spiced up the angry Te tirade by playing a victim already its time to do that and escape! Though to be fair the ENFP probably does genuinely feel like a victim even if they have themselves to blame. A downside of Fi.

If things progress further still the common inferior function of ENP's will start painting everything black. They will experience certainty and this time it will be from within; whatever the fight was about it will suddenly not really matter anymore, they will either perform a sudden retreat or if they can, tell the other person to get the fuck out. Then they will sit down and stare blankly ahead, bitterly stoic in the face of an essentially disappointing world, subjected by their Si to an extreme pacifying form of self-victimization. Such is also the case with the ENTP as far as I know.

But of course, Fi is more prone to being violated than is Ti. When someone says "look you fucking cockface your logic is shit because *reason which makes sense, indicating that the logic of the ENTP is not doing so good at the moment*" to an ENTP who still thinks he/she is right despite being in disadvantageous position (Ne says hi) said ENTP will not experience a violation of their Ti. Indeed, they will just carry on anyway.

If, however, the ENTP is rendered upset, then tertiary Fe (unless someone very close to them is the cause this only happens after prolonged attacks on the ENTP though) comes out. Typically comfortably sarcastic, not opposed to trading insults, (indeed: relaxed as if at home in an acidic milieu) the ENTPs mood changes drastically. His opponent had better watch out at that point, because the difference will be felt in the critical remarks of the ENTP--which are sure to follow suit. Matters of extroverted feeling having suddenly gained in terms of importance and relevance: the opponent will be depicted neglecting basic respect for human dignity, ruining the fun for everyone, violating basic rules of (not quite conduct but...) getting the fuck along. Insults attacking the logic of the opponent are still used; if the potential to cause damage with one is sensed by Fe the opportunity to do so will be seized. The nature of the logic will not be the same though, once detached, -free to go out on adventures with its best pal Ne who will take it to places- it now appears grounded and pragmatic, determined too achieve some eerily dubious goal. Being the unemphatic motherfuckers that they are ENTPs will not always realize that this has happened even in hindsight; they are frankly terrible at sensing (as well as making sense of) their own emotions. They don't often need to, so they lack both inclination and experience. Hence if they don't somehow end up in the grip of their inferior they will probably forget all about their anger once it subsides. Sometimes leaving a battered crying victim feeling like "the sensitive one" for still being hurt while the ENTP is a merry as ever. If it goes on too long however even the seemingly endless stamina of an ENTP will not be enough. When in control the tertiary is highly taxing. Inferior grips due to external conflicts do not happen often, but more often by far than ENFPs ENTPs will not back down before it does. They don't feel it coming since alas they suck at keeping watch on their own emotional state, it will appear to them as if though they are doing what they always do until they don't want to do it all. In this regard they are at disadvantage compared to their F counterpart.

Such is the demise of the ENTP.

INJ's, have some similar tendencies. They too care less than do J-doms about being bested in an argument, not waiting for an intuition they sense is on its way, theirs is already be in place. INJ's just don't know how to put a novel intuition in words before it has been painstakingly moulded into shape. Their path of decline into anger and eventual defeat by their own inferior looks different. Moreover, they are not so likely to put forth dubious arguments as they are to make ambiguous ones. Attempting to prematurely hatch their intuitions these break out of their eggs fetuses still, resembling all and any species in their incomplete form. Not to the INJ though, who will look upon these sorry unidentifiable things as if were they truth incarnated--much to the chagrin of the other part.
 

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ENTPs can admit that they are wrong, if they intuit that they are. They won't admit it just because in the context of a debate their argument doesn't measure up to the opponents logically so long as their Ne is still buzzing. Then they will carry on the argument using dubious means if necessary expecting to eventually trigger more intuitions with the help of which they will come out on top. If there is indeed such an intuition out there the ENTP will be more likely to spot it the longer the argument goes on, I think most of them know this on some level.



ENFPs are too sensitive to do this unless they are quite comfortable with the people in the context. Typically, they will either not do something so subversive or they act subversive themselves. Employing ridicule - functioning as an unconscious defense mechanism of sorts giving them temporary armor- when they actually have to do it. When they have to do it is typically when Fi has been violated. Tertiary Te emerges from its subconscious dwelling manifested as anger, people are called stupid, useless, non-contributing, illogical, they don't get anything. If they finally get the intuition they needed they might calm down a bit, or if its gone too far at that point they will use it mercilessly. Though if things have gone too far Ne typically has trouble doing what it should; intuitions which would have come easy under harmonious circumstances may be eerily absent. If the ENFP hasn't spiced the angry Te tirade by playing a victim already its time to do that and escape! Though to be fair the ENFP probably does genuinely feel like a victim even that makes no sense.



If things progress further still the common inferior function of ENP's will start painting everything black. They will experience certainty and this time it will be from within, whatever their fight was about will suddenly not really matter anymore, they will either retreat or if they can, tell the other person to get the fuck out. Then they will sit down and stare blankly ahead of them bitterly stoic in the face of an essentially disappointing world in an extreme version of self-victimization. Such is also the case with the ENTP as far as I know.



But of course, Fi is more prone to being violated than is Ti. When someone says "look you fucking cockface your logic is shit because *reason which makes sense, indicating that the logic of the ENTP is not doing so good at the moment*" to an ENTP who still thinks he/she is right despite being in disadvantegous position (Ne) will not experience violation of Ti. Indeed they will just carry on anyway.



If, however, the ENTP is rendered upset, then tertiary Fe (unless someone very close to them is the cause this only happens after prolonged attacks on the ENFP though) comes out. Typically comfortably sarcastic, not opposed to trading insults, (indeed: relaxed as if though at home when in an acidic milieu) the ENTPs mood changes drastically. His opponent had better watch out at that point because, the difference will be felt in the remarks of the ENTP. Matters of extroverted feeling having gained sudden importance, the opponent will be depicted neglecting basic respect for human dignity, ruining the fun for everyone, violating basic rules of (not quite conduct but...) getting the fuck along. Insults attacking the logic of the opponent are still used; if the potential to cause damage with one is sensed by Fe the opportunity to do so will be seized. The nature of the logic will not be the same though, once detached, -free to go out on adventures with its best pal Ne who will take it places- it now appears grounded and pragmatic, determined too achieve some eerily dubious goal. Being the unempathic motherfuckers that they are ENTPs will not always realize that this has happened in hindsight, they are frankly terrible at sensing (as well as making sense of) their emotions. They don't often need to, so they lack both inclination and experience. Hence if they don't somehow end up in the grip of their inferior they will probably forget all about their anger once it subsides. Sometimes,leaving a battered crying victim feeling like the sensitive one for still being hurt. If it goes on too long however even the seemingly endless stamina of an ENTP will not be enough. The when in control the tertiary is highly taxing. This does not happen often, but more often than ENFPs ENTPs will not back down before it does. They don't feel it coming since they suck at knowing their own emotional state it will appear to them as if though they are doing what they always do until they don't want to do it all.



Such is the demise of the ENP.



INJ's, have some similar tendencies. They too care less than do J-doms about being bested in an argument, not waiting for a intuition they sense on its way to spawn, theirs may already be in place. INJ's just don't know how to put it in words before it has been moulded into shape. Their path of decline into anger and eventual defeat by their own inferior looks different though. And they are not so likely to put forth dubious arguments as they are to make ambiguous ones, attempting to hatch intuitions which break out of their eggs fetuses still, resembling all and any species in their incomplete form. Not to the INJ though, who will look upon these sorry unidentifiable things as if were they truth incarnated much to the chagrin of the other part.


Ur like, real smahrt aren't u?

Just curious, if, off the top of your head, there were times when I carried on an illogical point, when my intuition (though possibly faulty) was screaming I was right?



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Ur like, real smahrt aren't u?

Just curious, if, off the top of your head, there were times when I carried on an illogical point, when my intuition (though possibly faulty) was screaming I was right?

Translation:

Let's make this about me again. Explain how I am ENTP.
 

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"Ah he is speaking in the general sense, that bastard how dare he say so about me!"

Edit: Sorry, I cannot think of any instances.
 

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The quintessential ENTP musician:

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Captain Beefheart

His works have no match in innovation, though his way of creating them comes somewhat close, below are some highlights.

Doug Moon left the band because of his dislike of the band's increasing experimentation outside his preferred blues genre. Ry Cooder told of Moon's becoming so angered by Van Vliet's unrelenting criticism that he walked into the room pointing a loaded crossbow at him, only to have Van Vliet tell him, "Get that fucking thing out of here, get out of here and get back in your room," which he did.

During this period Vliet suffered severe anxiety attacks that made him convinced that he was having a heart attack, possibly exacerbated by his heavy LSD use and the fact that his father had died of heart failure a few years earlier. At a vital 'warm-up' performance at the Mt. Tamalpais Festival (June 10/11) shortly before the scheduled Monterey Festival (June 16/18), the band began to play "Electricity" and Van Vliet froze, straightened his tie, then walked off the ten–foot (3 m) stage and landed on manager Bob Krasnow. He later claimed he had seen a girl in the audience turn into a fish, with bubbles coming from her mouth.

Van Vliet wanted the whole band to "live" the Trout Mask Replica album. The group rehearsed Van Vliet's difficult compositions for eight months, living communally in their small rented house in the Woodland Hills suburb of Los Angeles. With only two bedrooms the band members would find sleep in various corners of one, while Vliet occupied the other and rehearsals were accomplished in the main living area. Van Vliet implemented his vision by completely dominating his musicians, artistically and emotionally. At various times one or another of the group members was "put in the barrel," with Van Vliet berating him continually, sometimes for days, until the musician collapsed in tears or in total submission.[60] Drummer John French described the situation as "cultlike"[61] and a visiting friend said "the environment in that house was positively Mansonesque."[4] Their material circumstances were dire. With no income other than welfare and contributions from relatives, the group barely survived and were even arrested for shoplifting food (Zappa bailed them out)[citation needed]. French has recalled living on no more than a small cup of beans a day for a month.[26] A visitor described their appearance as "cadaverous" and said that "they all looked in poor health." Band members were restricted from leaving the house and practiced for 14 or more hours a day.

Physical assaults were encouraged at times, along with verbal degradation. At one point Cotton ran from the house and escaped for a few weeks, during which time Alex Snouffer filled in for him and helped to work up Ant Man Bee. French, who had thrown a metal cymbal at Cotton, ran after him yelling that he too wanted to come. Cotton later returned to the house with French's mother, who took him away for a few weeks, but he later felt compelled to return, as did Cotton. Mark Boston at one point hid clothes in a field across the street, planning his own getaway.[citation needed]

John French's 2010 book Through the Eyes of Magic describes some of the "talks," which were initiated by his doing such things as playing a Frank Zappa drum part ("The Blimp (mousetrapreplica)") in his drumming shed, and not having finished drum parts as quickly as Beefheart wanted. French writes of being punched by band members, thrown into walls, kicked, punched in the face by Beefheart hard enough to draw blood, being attacked with a sharp broomstick.[62] Eventually Beefheart, French says, threatened to throw him out an upper floor window. He admits complicity in similarly attacking his bandmates during "talks" aimed at them. In the end, after the album's recording, Beefheart ejected French from the band by throwing him down a set of stairs, telling him to "Take a walk, man" after not responding in a desired manner to a request to "play a strawberry" on the drums. Beefheart replaced French with drummer Jeff Bruschel, an acquaintance of Hayden. Referred to as 'Fake Drumbo' (playing on French's drumset) this final act resulted in French's name not appearing on the album credits, either as a player or arranger.

While appearing humorous and kind-hearted in public, by all accounts Van Vliet was a severe taskmaster who abused his musicians verbally and sometimes physically. Vliet once told drummer John French he had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and thus he would see inexistent conspiracies that explained this behaviour.[127] The band were reportedly paid little or nothing. French recalled that the musicians' contract with Van Vliet's company stipulated that Van Vliet and the managers were paid from gross proceeds before expenses, then expenses were paid, then the band members evenly split any remaining funds—in effect making band members liable for all expenses. As a result French was paid nothing at all for a 33-city U.S. tour in 1971 and a total of $78 for a tour of Europe and the U.S. in late 1975. In his 2010 memoir Beefheart: Through The Eyes of Magic French recounted being "...screamed at, beaten up, drugged, ridiculed, humiliated, arrested, starved, stolen from, and thrown down a half-flight of stairs by his employer."[128]

The musicians also resented Van Vliet for taking complete credit for composition and arranging when the musicians themselves pieced together most of the songs from taped fragments or impressionistic directions such as "Play it like a bat being dragged out of oil and it's trying to survive, but it's dying from asphyxiation."[129] John French summarized the disagreement over composing and arranging credits metaphorically:[130]

If Van Vliet built a house like he wrote music, the methodology would go something like this... The house is sketched on the back of a Denny's placemat in such an odd fashion that when he presents it to the contractor without plans or research, the contractor says "This structure is going to be hard to build, it's going to be tough to make it safe and stable because it is so unique in design." Van Vliet then yells at the contractor and intimidates him into doing the job anyway. The contractor builds the home, figuring out all the intricacies involved in structural integrity himself because whenever he approaches Van Vliet, he finds that he seems completely unable to comprehend technical problems and just yells, "Quit asking me about this stuff and build the damned house."... When the house is finished no one gets paid, and Van Vliet has a housewarming party, invites none of the builders and tells the guests he built the whole thing himself.

Then:

In the mid-1980s, Van Vliet became reclusive and abandoned music, stating he had gotten "too good at the horn"[99] and could make far more money painting.

Which he did until his death.
 

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"Ah he is speaking in the general sense, that bastard how dare he say so about me!"

Edit: Sorry, I cannot think of any instances.

Das ok. But yeah, I was mostly hoping to use my personal experiences as a parable or anecdote for the greater good, as I am all about Altruism.
 

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I don't know you at all which makes it hard for me to apply my generalized scenario on you. You only have 150 posts so far, perhaps in the future lol.
 

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I don't know you at all which makes it hard for me to apply my generalized scenario on you. You only have 150 posts so far, perhaps in the future lol.

Ha, well, that's one reason I said "off the top of your head."
 

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Define ENTP? Okay, one word: God.

Yeah, we're that amazing.
 

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The conversation between digitalbum and brontasaurie on the first page was top-notch. The sarcasm and wit of the latter was immediately obvious, but I can't tell if bum was retorting back in kind or just getting confused and angry.

Jolly good show.
 

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The conversation between digitalbum and brontasaurie on the first page was top-notch. The sarcasm and wit of the latter was immediately obvious, but I can't tell if bum was retorting back in kind or just getting confused and angry.

Jolly good show.

Retorting back in kind, mayhaps a tad confused and fishing for a personality read, but after reading much of @brontosaurie 's other posts, realizing he might be one of the funny ones.

I feel INTP sarcasm is thicker than undried cement, right before it dries, and, though it may be obvious to other INTPs, not always so to the rest, or at least this ENTP.
 

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Retorting back in kind, mayhaps a tad confused and fishing for a personality read, but after reading much of @brontosaurie 's other posts, realizing he might be one of the funny ones.

I feel INTP sarcasm is thicker than undried cement, right before it dries, and, though it may be obvious to other INTPs, not always so to the rest, or at least this ENTP.

i can't claim to be able to assess your personality type.

haven't seen one shred of Ne so far, however.
 

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i can't claim to be able to assess your personality type.



haven't seen one shred of Ne so far, however.



That's cuz I don't neatly fit into one, my personality results almost always return "Kaizer Soze"

Edit: tho it's interesting to note that I have never seen a type, INTP, so eager to re-type others.
 

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That's cuz I don't neatly fit into one, my personality results almost always return "Kaizer Soze"

Edit: tho it's interesting to note that I have never seen a type, INTP, so eager to re-type others.

i ain't seen a shred of any other function either

haha, i have troled you
 

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That's cuz I don't neatly fit into one, my personality results almost always return "Kaizer Soze"

Edit: tho it's interesting to note that I have never seen a type, INTP, so eager to re-type others.

It's not interesting, because you are wrong, because you haven't interpreted the data correctly.

I am not INTP and Brontosaurie ... is probably not either. As far as I can tell we are the only ones who have made an effort to re-type you.

It has to do with Te and Se in my case. He uses Ne, though, so we are taking completely different perspectives.

Which is why he and I are in complete disagreement as well regarding your type.

~~ Edit ~~

OIC I am late for the party. OK. So he trolled ja.
 

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and you shall be further examined and then initiated so that you may fully participate in the various discussions


And in the meantime I shall continue to feign clueless "specimen" while I have already catalogued you all, and placed you in my sock drawer.


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