Your unconventional beliefs.

[Proletar]

Stop right there - this thread has got nothing to do with religion or the term 'belief'. Just things you think to be true that many other people think not to be true. Situations where you are the boy crying wolf, only the wolf is very much there but invisible due to super-powers, only visible to your super-vision.

Rule nr1: You are free to contradict, but your first entry in this thread comes with stating atleast one (1) of your unconventional beliefs. If you have none, you are a closed-minded dipshit. Now let's make a list of INTP-stitions!


1: I'm against racism, but I would never call myself an anti-racist, since you can't fight an idea. Instead, I call myself a non-racist, which means I don't have to support, defend or explain stupid shit that the anti-rasist do. Like reparations and pointless benefitory campaigns for multinational corporations with third world-labour.

2: Wikipedia is actually a good source.

 

[Coolydudey]

I don't believe in morality or purpose

That I am the best mathematician that exists

Wikipedia is a good source (not for official stuff)

I don't see the purpose of this thread?

 

[Proletar]

I don't see the purpose of this thread?

Did you really expect to considering you don't even believe in it?

 

[Minuend]

I've never understood the interest in unconventional or not. Perspective should only concern itself with what seems valid, true or logical.

 

[Coolydudey]

Did you really expect to considering you don't even believe in it?

This phrasing implies your reason...

 

[Chronomar]

I'm going to nickname this the Bullet-Point Soapbox Thread.

- it is possible to be a spiritual atheist, of sorts, who doesn't really believe what they contemplate spiritually, but just has a good time with it. Like a child playing imaginary games to expand their mind's abilities and scope.

- that a world without individual nations is preferable to one with them. Except maybe using them in the context of a world-wide government as federal units, to maximize local control and participation in government.

- a world-wide democratic-republic is where it's at, perhaps with built in slow evolution towards some kind of more direct democracy.

- It should be possible to devise an economic system with elements of both a free-market and anarchistic communism (somehow...I'd need to talk to some economists to work out the details on that and/or get my idea pummeled to dust)

- mixing chocolate chip cookie mix and brownie mix and then making a cake out of it is AMAZING. We should eat this everyday except it's not healthy.

- a paleolithic diet would be a good idea except chocolate. And pie. And cheap processed microwavable noodles *cough*ramen*cough*. Goddamn it.

- we should apply science to our daily lives on a minutely or hourly basis. Actively. This includes psychology.

- we should have education about emotional intelligence in schools.

 

[Proletar]

I'm going to nickname this the Bullet-Point Soapbox Thread.

Precisely!

It's like one of those "jazz you enjoy" threads, only it's about ideas instead. I think that exposure to different ideas, even if you don't end up believing in them, are refreshing to the mind and helps expand it. Plus, it tells us a bit about each other.

If any particular discussion expands, we'll create a new thread for it. Just like how the crowd around a soapboxer sometimes becomes a movement.


3: Pot should be legal.
4: Doctors and medical corporations prefers treatments to cures, and therefore delays cures by manipulating different mechanics in the market and in the government (see patents and intellectual property).

 

[eagor]

- people who have been proven to commit violent and heinous crimes aren't people, so there is no need to consider there feelings when they are dealt with.

- the public schooling system doesn't actually educate you, it brainwashes you to willingly give up your freedoms in exchange for "security"

- everyone who does that "moving the head side to side while making faces and that stupid squeking and sucking air through your teeth"when they haggle a price, should be relentlessly ridiculed and belittled on every one of there aspects until they either cry or leave.

- mixing chocolate chip cookie mix and brownie mix and then making a cake out of it is AMAZING. We should eat this everyday except it's not healthy.

who cares about your health if you don't eat that everyday you are automatically a bad person

 

[PhoenixRising]

- I believe that conventional marriage is a stupid idea (especially the "diamond ring" thing.. I learned in advertising class that started with a De Beers ad campaign in the 1930s. Damn consumerism..)

- I believe that holidays are pointless adaptations of primitive pagan rituals, and I don't celebrate them. (Again.. consumerism.)

- I believe that hollywood pop culture shouldn't exist. Especially things like Jersey Shore.. and Hanna Montana. And People magazine. I'm going to leave it at that before I start feeling sick.

- There is no difference between Republican and Democrat politicians! They're all just a bunch of greedy, reptilian-brain based, alpha-male/female baboons. And people shouldn't listen to them, nor should any of them be in control of the governmental system.

- It is possible to truly hold two exactly opposite viewpoints on a subject without contradicting one's self.

- Personality isn't directly dependent on genetics. It's derived from a underlying algorithm that dictates the behavior of the human race.

- Cosplay isn't nerdy.

 

[crippli]

*That with the right diet, and that means air quality too, one can cut out exercise completely.

*That advances in science, one can change from female to male perfectly, and reverse of course. Today, that everyone can change mentally at will if they choose so with the proper training.

*That same sex people, if they don't have children, show the essence of morality, by actively helping towards overpopulation.

*That there exist no gay people or straight, or bi. They will fall all into a submissive/master role. So equal is not going to happen. It is irrelevant if one changes roles. In the moment it will still be exactly like heterosexuality, abstractly.

*That it is impossible to not work and be productive as long as one is alive. Breathing air makes a difference.

 

[SpaceYeti]

- I'll second, or third, or however many, that Wikipedia is actually a good source, but you should also check the sources used for Wikipedia when that's an option. Yes, anyone can edit it, but when some jerk edits it with known false information, it's soon rectified. Basically, don't just read the article once and assume it's set in stone.

- I believe that the word "nigga/nigger" is, itself, helping to indulge racism. I mean, how is one race being allowed to say something and another race not being allowed to say that same thing anything except racist? When we stop allowing racist matters to, well, matter, only then will racism end.

- I believe that everyone has the right to say whatever they want, and people listening have the right to get offended. Laws which force people to not act a particular way are offensive to the people who want to act that particular way. It's not the person who swears fault that other people don't like swear words, it's the person who doesn't like swear words' fault. They dislike it, which makes it their problem to deal with, not the swearer's.

- I believe that everyone should be allowed to wear whatever they want in their own time. Companies and the military and businesses can enforce dress codes in their sphere, obviously, but there's nothing wrong with naked people. Even ugly ones. The only reason people notice when people are naked is because it's uncommon, not because it's wrong or offensive. Just like above, the people who get offended have the problem, not the person who's walking around nude.

 

[finalTruthSage]

--All disagreements should be resolved with dialectics. Synthesis of opposing points of view can ALWAYS be reached

--The builders of the pyramids of Egypt had a deeper understanding of what we call gravity today. In-fact, they could control it.

--All cars that still run on fossil fuels in 2012 should be banned! It is the clearest manifestation of Oil Corporations' greed, oil consumers' laziness and lack of creativity, scientists' ineptitude, and an overall human culture of waste-fullness and inefficiency.

--ALL humans (both male and female) are not naturally monogamous. Polygamy should be legal, and it would solve several social problems.

 

[Duxwing]

- I'll raise a toast to Wikipedia being a good source *clinks glasses with other members at table*.

- And moreover, I'll agree that one should be allowed to say what one pleases provided that one practices good faith and intentions in the time, place, and purpose of one's speech.

- I don't think that suicide is an answer to anything but the doctor's own bleeding heart; death offers only the nothingness, and we should not portray it as a release for the person in the lab coat, the suit, or the bed. Instead, we should apply triage and suspend care if and only if it is better used elsewhere while simultaneously trying to give the dying some meaning to their suffering, even if it is only for comfort.

- I also second the notion that there is no higher purpose in life. Nevertheless, existentialism can give me strength from time to time.

- I believe that $100 loaned to a friend and never returned is money well spent

- I believe that one needn't ever pretend in order to find love and friendship, for doing so defeats the entire purpose of the search: forging an authentic connection between two minds.

- I believe that even an icy cold INTP needs a few warm and fuzzy things lest they fall into depression or misanthropy; for many, one of those things would end up being an INFJ (supposedly the ideal partner for Philosophus Rex).

-Duxwing

 

[jantling]

-There is no change inheritent in people.
There are only alterations or people becoming more and more themselves until death.

-If someone ever did discover the ultimate secret of the universe and everything in it something would kill them before they could tell anyone.
(42 and Douglas Adams are the exceptions; maybe the universe just doesn't care.)

-One day that person in the mirror is going to stop mimicking me, abandon all pretence of non-entity-hood and tell me exactly what a backwards world I'm living in.

 

[Lot]

-Big Foot in eastern Asia is real.
-All The Lockness Monsters died off in the 70s or 80s.
-The earth is actually 6000 years old. (That's a jimmy rustler there)
-The Bilderberg Group is real, dangerous, and active.
-The earth won't ever over populate.
-Osama Bin ladin died in the early 2000s
-Keynesianism is evil, unrealistic, an unnatural
-It's totally normal to find women as young as 14 and 15 sexually attractive.
-Vegetarians are acting against their nature as omnivores and should really just shut the fuck up. (I'm not sure if this is unpopular, but in the circle I travel in, it seems to be that everyone thinks vegetarians are super healthy people.)
-Every human should own and know how to operate at least a hand gun. An armed society is a polite society.

Edit: Also I love wikipedia

 

[PhoenixRising]

-If someone ever did discover the ultimate secret of the universe and everything in it something would kill them before they could tell anyone.
(42 and Douglas Adams are the exceptions; maybe the universe just doesn't care.)

*blinks* You.. really think so?

 

[jantling]

*blinks* You.. really think so?

Don't worry, Google will save us.

Edit: I just realized how half-random that was.

 

[PhoenixRising]

Don't worry, Google will save us.

thanks Google!

My goal is to find the ultimate secret(s) of the universe. So I guess I can expect to be doomed. Unless, of course, I can be immortal by the time I find the answers.. take that universe!

 

[jantling]

thanks Google!

My goal is to find the ultimate secret(s) of the universe. So I guess I can expect to be doomed. Unless, of course, I can be immortal by the time I find the answers.. take that universe!

Or someone to take the brunt of the universe's wrath. "For science!"
They'll do it. Or there's always option two...

 

[EyeSeeCold]

o Pop music is not all bad.
o Science being taught in schools is also a form of brainwashing(except where actual experimentation and demonstration is encouraged).

Can't think of any others.

EDIT:
o MBTI is a broken theory, for getting J/P wrong.

-Keynesianism is evil, unrealistic, an unnatural

On the internet at least, everyone showing interest in economics seems to be on the Hayek / Mises Institute bandwagon.

 

[Etheri]

I believe there are no problems, no wrongs, no good and no bad. After all, if there were problems, that would imply there is a plan, a goal,... Everything is just floating, moving their ways, and there's nothing wrong. Besides, all 'problems' have proven to fix themselves, tho sometimes not in the most humane ways. (Problems are the effect of us being human, not of the universe or us doing anything to it.)

I believe most atheists would be religious if raised in strict religious circumstances, just as most religious people would adhere to a diffrent religion if raised in such. Before anyone feels offended, I do think INTP's are likely to be an exception.

I believe most of my values are decent heuristics, but nowhere near as golden as we would wish them to be. This includes democracy, the scientific methodology, morals and so on. It is so much easier to see the flaws in a system, than to find a good, (ideally flawless?) alternative.

I believe the way science and maths is taught is unscientific. This produces mostly bad scientists and naive people. This applies to all other teaching too, I just don't see why it matters much when talking about, for example, languages. However, there's always going to be a need of stupid people to do more menial work without ranting, so perhaps it's a necessary evil.

 

[redbaron]

- 99.9% of philosophy is a bad joke
- anyone who has a personal blog should be culled from society
- it should be punishable by death to mention Travis Barker in the same sentence as any of the following drummers: Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Mel Lewis, Buddy Rich, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd

 

[Architect]

The only part of The Singularity is Near that I don't believe is the part about how we'll break the speed of light barrier.

 

[Proletar]

Science being taught in schools is also a form of brainwashing(except where actual experimentation and demonstration is encouraged).

Everything taught in school is brainwashing, even (especially) stuff like debate and philosophy. Debate in itself is basically a way for liars to win discussions, and truth is being expended each time.

The philosophy is in turn backing this up by nihilism and other value-less schools of thought. There is no truth and the closest thing to it is what we percieve as true, and therefore whoever wins the debate must be right. It's sickening to know what the truth is but still constantly be shrugged aside by lies.


Grrr.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

1. Most etiquette rules and what we consider "good manners" are a load of shit. Examples include blessing people when they sneeze, saying "please" before or after a request to make it sound nicer, and many others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

2. All religious convictions aside, I think premarital sex is stupid. What's the point? On the same note, I think the sexual revolution of the 1960s accomplished more bad than good.

3. The government should not recognize marriage as an institution. There should be no financial incentives or visitation rights for married couples. Individuals should be seen by the government as just that: individuals. The institution of marriage should be solely a religious institution, compoletely separate from the state.

4. Sports do not promote physical fitness. They promote people stuffing their face with chicken wings while sitting on their couches, screaming at inanimate objects, and getting fat.

5. Not washing your hands after urinating and/or defecating is completely acceptable as long as you don't get urine and/or feces on your hands.

6. When person X does a favor for person Y, and person Y is not thankful for what person X does, person X has no right to be upset with person Y. Genuine favors done out of kindness should expect nothing in return, including thanksgiving. The reward is knowing you helped someone.

7. I think Justin Bieber is actually a pretty talented kid. I'm not saying he's amazing like Frank Sinatra or anything, but he has a nice voice for his age, and he definitely doesn't deserve all the hate that he gets.

There are more, but not that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm full of unconventional beliefs and habits...too many to count, honestly. If I think of any more, I'll post them later.

 

[Lot]

2. All religious convictions aside, I think premarital sex is stupid. What's the point? On the same note, I think the sexual revolution of the 1960s accomplished more bad than good.

3. The government should not recognize marriage as an institution. There should be no financial incentives or visitation rights for married couples. Individuals should be seen by the government as just that: individuals. The institution of marriage should be solely a religious institution, compoletely separate from the state.

Definitely not very common views. Both views I share. #3 makes my dad angry, because he is so apposed to gay marriage. Where as I'm also not so hip on gay marriage, and don't see the point, I also don't think the government has the right to tell me who I can and can't be married to. In what universe does a non-religious government have any reason to care about marriage? Alls the government needs to care about is upholding any contractual part of marital agreements. So any property splitting or redistributing that needs to be done in case of divorce. I could go on about this topic, but I'll stop here.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

#3 makes my dad angry, because he is so apposed to gay marriage. Where as I'm also not so hip on gay marriage, and don't see the point, I also don't think the government has the right to tell me who I can and can't be married to.

Part (not all) of the reason I think that the government should deinstitutionalize marriage is for that very reason...it would solve the gay marriage problem. The main reason people are against gay marriage is religion. So if we kept the government out of marriage and left it up to churches, mosques, and synagogues to marry people, they could follow their own doctrine and beliefs when it comes to marriage, while the non-religious could do whatever they want, without any interference from the government.

At the very least, the government should draw a clear line between civil unions and marriage. Just call what we currently know as government-recognized "marriage" civil unions instead of marriage...that way, people won't get the two very different concepts confused.

 

[SpaceYeti]

2. All religious convictions aside, I think premarital sex is stupid. What's the point? On the same note, I think the sexual revolution of the 1960s accomplished more bad than good.

What's the point? Now, I definitely don't advocate going out and slutting it up. However, sex is an important aspect of marriages. You marry someone you love, right? You love her personality, you like her intellect, etc... then you get married, and discover sex with her is... so-so. Simply, sex is part of being physically and emotionally close to someone, and how do you know if you're compatible if you haven't, well, done those things necessary to figure that out?

 

[crippli]

3. The government should not recognize marriage as an institution. There should be no financial incentives or visitation rights for married couples. Individuals should be seen by the government as just that: individuals. The institution of marriage should be solely a religious institution, compoletely separate from the state.

Marriage predates religion. Religion has no valid claim on this practice. They did not, even by a long shot invent it.

 

[Lot]

Marriage predates religion. Religion has no valid claim on this practice. They did not, even by a long shot invent it.

I believe he's using a more broad definition for religion. Which would include the pre-religious humans. Them being rational beings means that they had beliefs about how the world worked. Not a formal/modern religion per-say, but still would fit what I'm assuming his definition for religion is here. Anything marriage like done by non-rational animals can't really be called marriage, because they have choice but to do as their instinct tells them.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Simply, sex is part of being physically and emotionally close to someone, and how do you know if you're compatible if you haven't, well, done those things necessary to figure that out?

The idea of "sexual compatibility" is a load of crap. You don't marry for the sole purpose of good sex. If you love your spouse with all your heart, their sexual technique doesn't matter anyway. Plus, if neither of you have any sexual history, then there are no standards to judge their performance by, so anything is better than nothing.

 

[crippli]

I believe he's using a more broad definition for religion. Which would include the pre-religious humans. Them being rational beings means that they had beliefs about how the world worked. Not a formal/modern religion per-say, but still would fit what I'm assuming his definition for religion is here. Anything marriage like done by non-rational animals can't really be called marriage, because they have choice but to do as their instinct tells them.

A broad definition of religion will include governments. They also think they know how the world works, what one should believe in, and how to behave. And from what I have read, what we think of as government was the first to implement marriage, as a means to get some system and control. And therefore the government has the right to administer marriage as they see fit(I'm a little unsure if we can consider rights of pioneer ideas legit, but I like to think so). If today's religions are not up to the task of the industrialized society, cut them out. As far as I can see, religions don't have a say in the matter, it's not their tradition.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Marriage predates religion. Religion has no valid claim on this practice. They did not, even by a long shot invent it.

That depends on how you define marriage. Which is the problem itself. Some people define it as a legal contract between two people saying they will share finances. Others see it as a spiritual union between a man and a woman. The fact that we have one word (marriage) that can mean two completely different things is a problem.

 

[SpaceYeti]

The idea of "sexual compatibility" is a load of crap. You don't marry for the sole purpose of good sex. If you love your spouse with all your heart, their sexual technique doesn't matter anyway. Plus, if neither of you have any sexual history, then there are no standards to judge their performance by, so anything is better than nothing.

I agreed with you before I had sex. Then I had sex, and it wound up I had many, potent sexual preferences, and they were a huge factor in my happiness with women. Maybe it's shallow or something, but it's a part of who I am. I would not be happy with a woman who we were not sexually compatible. It's that simple. It also took me the greater part of a decade to figure myself out such that I understood my sexual preferences. I am probably especially particular.

And that lack of sexual history is BS. It's like someone saying "Sure, our ice-cream sucks, but we've never had any other kind, so we don't realize how awesome ice cream can be! Ignorance is good enough for me!"

I'm not like this about just sex. I think a couple should live together before they're married, too. If it winds up you can't stand each-other after in the same living space, it's better to figure that out before the marriage certificate is signed!

I'm of the opinion that you should take every step to figure out if a marriage will work and is worth the hassle before going through with it. Maybe you like surprises and are alright with a mildly pleasant sex life. Good on you.

I'm not, and I wouldn't have known that 15 years ago.

 

[crippli]

That depends on how you define marriage. Which is the problem itself. Some people define it as a legal contract between two people saying they will share finances. Others see it as a spiritual union between a man and a woman. The fact that we have one word (marriage) that can mean two completely different things is a problem.

I was thinking about the rights to use the word. And it's original construct. And that was a pact to secure assets, providing advantages if one marry, and in exchange more structure and control to those in charge of the tribe. Not all definitions, but the original meaning. And this right imo belong to the government to administer.The church can make unions, but it should be purely spiritual, called something else, and hold no legal contracts. Or iow, not stretch it's spiderweb any further then the churches 4 walls, roof and floor.

 

[Lot]

A broad definition of religion will include governments. They also think they know how the world works, what one should believe in, and how to behave. And from what I have read, what we think of as government was the first to implement marriage, as a means to get some system and control. And therefore the government has the right to administer marriage as they see fit(I'm a little unsure if we can consider rights of pioneer ideas legit, but I like to think so). If today's religions are not up to the task of the industrialized society, cut them out. As far as I can see, religions don't have a say in the matter, it's not their tradition.

I wouldn't be opposed to the government offering a form of marriage. I just don't think that it should stick it's business in my business. If it would get rid of income tax, or should I say institutionalized theft, then they would have no reason for tax breaks. Each religious group has it's own set standards of what marriage entails and what is to come of divorce. There are some things I think the government has some business say we can and can't do, like sexual relations with children or direct family, but polyamory or gay marriage aren't so much their concern. You can't legislate morality.

 

[EvilBlitz]

1) Economic Theory
That life is existing. While living, you do shit. You want to enjoy life and do things. What type of shit do you do? Work and play, sleeping and eating are functions that support work and play. Or another way of seeing it is economic output is price value attached to people's physical output, that includes actual mundane work and cultural/social/artistic expression. This is supported by energy(that is including fuel consumption i.e food, petrol, electricity and production i.e growing food, power plants, fishing etc) and storage.
This extends from the individual to the country and even world. Maximising efficiency of production and use at each stage of the process is fundamental to improving output, economically, culturally, socially.
As such energy efficiency and not limiting human output(however it is output) is the key to maximum production.
As such countries that are repressive of their populations in both economic and cultural senses will always be economically retarded in the long run.


2) Culture/Intelligence
Ability can extend in any direction. So say extreme ability in moving one finger or the hand. Multiple intelligences, or ability in specific areas of the brain, will lead to giftedness or the abilities that the individual is more skilled at naturally. This can lead to being incredible abilities in specific fields(dancing or maths) or even very narrow abilities(you can wiggle the appendages to your face/skull). Because of the ever change mix of abilities and its abilities to contribute this leads to fluctuations in abilities and selection of abilities as environment changes. This also directly impacts on culture, as changing ability will change what is produced, and also culture. External environmental factors respond back to these expressions and shape future expressions.


3) More economic crap
Economies and the economy are tied to human behaviour. Human behaviour is culture. Since culture varies, economies will vary and vary differently.
Competition naturally leads to fewer and less cultures and homogenisation. This is seen in the business world for individual markets. One to a few companies tend to dominate in the end.
Because of this, it is natural for economies and cultures to converge over the long run. Divergences, schisms happen, are they enough to keep long run balance? Or does one to a few always end up dominating?

 

[EvilBlitz]

The idea of "sexual compatibility" is a load of crap. You don't marry for the sole purpose of good sex. If you love your spouse with all your heart, their sexual technique doesn't matter anyway. Plus, if neither of you have any sexual history, then there are no standards to judge their performance by, so anything is better than nothing.

After being married to an ENFJ I have to strongly disagree with you on this.

 

[Minuend]

What's the point of premarital sex?

Well, what is the point of anything? Gaming, debates, sports, movies.

Is nice.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

What's the point of premarital sex?

Well, what is the point of anything? Gaming, debates, sports, movies.

Is nice.

So is smoking crack, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Doing things simply because they feel good is quite immature. It's just such a fleeting desire that really isn't worth the consequences.

 

[SpaceYeti]

So is smoking crack, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Doing things simply because they feel good is quite immature. It's just such a fleeting desire that really isn't worth the consequences.

There's also the fact that you can be careful. Yes, a mistake could still happen, and if you value avoiding that mistake more than you value sex, then that. Don't do it. However, many people don't mind very small or very slight risk-taking in order to have fun and thereby make their life meaningful and happy. Nobody's denying the risk, people are denying that life is worth living avoiding every risk, or else you'd never have fun. If you never drove anywhere, you'd never have to worry about a head-on collision, but at the same time, you don't have your own car or the freedom to drive when and where you want or need to be.

 

[Etheri]

So is smoking crack, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Doing things simply because they feel good is quite immature. It's just such a fleeting desire that really isn't worth the consequences.

Living life has consequences and is one big fleeting desire. I suggest we commit suicide as soon as we are mature, as clearly it would be immature and not worth it to just live.

 

[redbaron]

So is smoking crack, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Doing things simply because they feel good is quite immature. It's just such a fleeting desire that really isn't worth the consequences.

How is having premarital sex in itself going to lead to consequences?

 

[Proletar]

And now the time has come to make a thread of it's own dedicated to premarital sex and marriage. Take it there instead.


Wonderous to see these little subjects blossom.

 

[Moocow]

I'd tell you which of my views are unconventional if first I knew what was conventional, but I haven't the gall to presuppose...

 

[snafupants]

I know what time travel will look like in the future and I believe in aliens. Also, I believe positive eugenics has some merits.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Yes, a mistake could still happen, and if you value avoiding that mistake more than you value sex, then that.

I guess that's just it...I simply don't value sex. I get that risks must be taken sometimes; premarital sex just doesn't seem worth it to me if I can just wait until marriage and then have as much fun as I want. In the mean time, I have plenty of other ways to have just as much fun without running the risk of creating a new life or becoming overly attached to a woman that I won't spend the rest of my life with.

And then again, there are the religious reasons as well, but that's not relevant to the conversation.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

And now the time has come to make a thread of it's own dedicated to premarital sex and marriage. Take it there instead.


Wonderous to see these little subjects blossom.

I do find it quite interesting that whenever I state my views on sexuality (be that sexual orientation, premarital sex, or any other sexual topic), people always get really riled up, and it ends up turning into a huge debate. But if I state that I like Justin Bieber or that I don't always wash my hands every time I use the bathroom, no one gives a fuck.

 

[SLushhYYY]

Funding should come from states, and states only. Federal influences only lead to corruption, debt, and loss of rational sense.

 

[Minuend]

Doing things simply because they feel good is quite immature.

Why?