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I noticed that when most people say something that they think is funny, laugh for any reason, or put certain facial expressions I can't help but feel disgust. I noticed that the longer I am around other people the more disgusted I feel until I begin to feel pretty much frenzied and sometimes psychotic.

Usually, when I am alone I feel fine and am pretty much dancing at all times for absolutely no reason (dancing into the kitchen to make a sandwich, dancing and playing drums with the bread on every single object etc.) I may even feel like talking to other people in this mental state. What I have noticed though, is that everything always ends in destruction.

For example, every person (except two people) I have talked to over the internet will often end up saying that I am a "troll" and ignore/block me. I have not trolled anyone at any of these times (intentionally) and I do not see why my doings are often misinterpreted as such.

In real life situations, I do not even attempt to care about talking to people. Most people are run-of-the-mill plain people who would only care to spew small talk or rehashed generic topics such as what is on the news (which I care nothing for) or basically just something I have heard a thousand times. I can often just talk to myself and imitate the person's entire spectrum of knowledge and even the way he would respond. I have taken up narcissistic tendencies, as I believe that other people are essentially animals or machines (or both at the same time) who have only the purpose of continuing the species or being used as a tool.

I have rejected the vast majority of pretty much everything that people believe in. What they believe is fun, has value, should be done, is right, etc. This belief has also led me to be aloof and apathetic.

But then, there is something which does not make any sense to me that happens quite often. I start laughing to to stupid shit that people say (which in my eyes is pretty much everything that can be vibrated into air) and I actually become fond of people and try to understand them. I gain somewhat of a "renewed" (if it was even there in the first place) hope in humanity and I discard my cynicism. So then, I become optimistic and interested in the generic rehashed shit that people say and I forget that I am a nihilist. In fact, in this state I came to these forums to socialize with others like myself, and to potentially get to know some..female INTPs (;)).

The problem though, is after a period of time it starts to break down. I continue to listen, hear, read, information that I have convinced myself to give a chance but in reality do not care about. I have forced myself out of my own realm in order to potentially promote change in myself (from being a pessimistic nihilist to more of a hedonist). It is simply a delusion though, as evidenced by my random bouts of psychotic behavior. I believe that I am trying to...overwrite my actual nature with that of a "mask" and I am trying to make myself believe that there is nothing behind the mask.

Normally, I would be interested in anime, manga, and video games. I noticed within the passed five or six months, that I am no longer interested in anything (therefore the belief that I need to promote change in myself). The thing here though, is that I am not depressed (not even going to bother to go into detail here on that one). Instead, I feel more like a general disgust for all things, and often will discard all logic and emotions and go into a state of intense depersonalization. In a sense, it is as if I am not there and I am able to separate my body from my mind (some call this enlightenment).

I can no longer justify anything I do with logic or emotion. I feel as if I am not actually in control of my body or mind, as if an AI has taken over the slot of the player. I assumed that maybe, by talking with others like me that I would find some sort of "inspiration" or "renewed hope". This is not true, I may temporarily feel a sense of "community" but it simply goes away like it never happens, and I return to being extremely cynical and often cruel. People who are supposed to be just like me, I feel disgusted upon seeing them as if they were just another person.

I may or may not practice self-sabotage, but I do not have a low self-esteem. Do not take me for being over emotional either, as I am neutral pretty much all day almost every day. To quote American Psycho: There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping you and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


What I want to know is, am I the only one like this, or are you all distracting yourself and acting in interest of hiding your true nature (the demon :evil:)?
 

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My interpretation:
Your cynicism (maybe quite as far as nihilism; I can't tell here) has turned itself into an existential depression. Like so many before you, you're going to have to work your own way out of it, and no one can truly help you with it.

Maybe I like existentialism too much without sufficient understanding, though...who knows?
 

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Interesing enough, I was about to post a new thread involving my personal demon, it's not anything like this thread, but you might find it, well, interesting, as annoying as it is to use that twice in one sentence.

I've felt the way you do, I still do quite often even. It infects every thought, but as far as specific examples goes, I'll go from wanting a woman / desiring physical and emotional closeness, to becoming entirely disgusted with it. I'm somewhat in that stage now, the idea of a relationship, of sex, etc, all make me feel like wretching. I've lost interest in everything again, and just sort of exist, doing whatever I can to pass the time until I work my way up to a content stage again. I try to force myself to like the things I know I used to enjoy, some things work better than others, but it usually ends up feeling poisoned.

Sometimes I recognize it all as a depression of sorts, but it's an atypical depression, it feels like. Other times, it's not so much a depression as possibly a mania.

I feel the same way, though, it's not just you. I think some of the specifics are different, but overall the feeling / impression is the same.
 

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On a side note: I'm not sure if the trolls I've seen were just trolls or actual INTP's, but I'm starting to think that, if indeed they were INTP's, there are two types... the more aggressive, hostile type (or simply abrasive), and the more relaxed, casual, conflict avoidant type.

I know I can have trollish tendencies, it's part of my humor, but here in this forum I suppress it, because this forum is intended to be constructive and more serious, or playfully humorous with maturity, more than not. IRC tends to be a bit more lewd and casual, where you see a lot more of our 'trollish' tendencies come out.

I remembering seeing a link from 4chan where people were posting their types, and a majority of them were INTX. And, 4chan is effectively a gathering place for trolls.

This is all a very underdeveloped theory, but it's something I've been considering / wondering about lately. I can definitely see your posts as trollish, but at the same time I do think you're looking for something legitimate too. Else this thread you've created wouldn't exist, or at least, I wouldn't be able to relate to it in the slightest, but I relate to it quite well.
 

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I noticed that when most people say something that they think is funny, laugh for any reason, or put certain facial expressions I can't help but feel disgust. I noticed that the longer I am around other people the more disgusted I feel until I begin to feel pretty much frenzied and sometimes psychotic.

Sometimes groups of people are just unbearable. I can get along with pretty much anyone individually, but my patience wanes when herd behavior takes control. Nearly every word someone says within a group is uttered in a effort to impress or manipulate another. It's shameless posturing in my view. A little off-topic I know, but it seemed as if you speaking of groups of people.

Usually, when I am alone I feel fine and am pretty much dancing at all times for absolutely no reason (dancing into the kitchen to make a sandwich, dancing and playing drums with the bread on every single object etc.) I may even feel like talking to other people in this mental state. What I have noticed though, is that everything always ends in destruction.

I enjoy my solitude immensely (true of all INTPs really), however the occasions my Ne takes control can cause issues with others. Apparently most people take verbal sparring, discussion and witticism as an affront, so when I'm feeling playful I actually piss people off. :slashnew: Perhaps I should seek out more Ns irl.

But then, there is something which does not make any sense to me that happens quite often. I start laughing to to stupid shit that people say (which in my eyes is pretty much everything that can be vibrated into air) and I actually become fond of people and try to understand them. I gain somewhat of a "renewed" (if it was even there in the first place) hope in humanity and I discard my cynicism. So then, I become optimistic and interested in the generic rehashed shit that people say and I forget that I am a nihilist. In fact, in this state I came to these forums to socialize with others like myself, and to potentially get to know some..female INTPs (;)).

The problem though, is after a period of time it starts to break down. I continue to listen, hear, read, information that I have convinced myself to give a chance but in reality do not care about. I have forced myself out of my own realm in order to potentially promote change in myself (from being a pessimistic nihilist to more of a hedonist). It is simply a delusion though, as evidenced by my random bouts of psychotic behavior.

I went through odd periods of contentment and psychological distress growing up (and to a smaller degree now). Once I started researching my own psyche I normalized it somewhat. Now I tend to view life as a game and an opportunity to learn and improve upon my condition. Since I've started 'studying' myself I've gone from a nihilistic christian to vengeful atheist to existentialist to finally an individualist/trans-humanist.

Normally, I would be interested in anime, manga, and video games. I noticed within the passed five or six months, that I am no longer interested in anything (therefore the belief that I need to promote change in myself). The thing here though, is that I am not depressed (not even going to bother to go into detail here on that one). Instead, I feel more like a general disgust for all things, and often will discard all logic and emotions and go into a state of intense depersonalization. In a sense, it is as if I am not there and I am able to separate my body from my mind (some call this enlightenment).

Sounds similar to some symptoms of Schizoid personality disorder.

Some relevant threads:
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2660
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3631&highlight=schizoid&page=2
 

Firehazard159

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Now I tend to view life as a game and an opportunity to learn and improve upon my condition. Since I've started 'studying' myself I've gone from a nihilistic christian to vengeful atheist to existentialist to finally an individualist/trans-humanist.

I've been moving down a similar path, i think i'm still in the existential stage but transitioning to the indi/transhumanist stage :P

But I absolutely cannot view life as a game, for some reason, this concept really upsets and jars me. Like, the point of, if the ever fully convince me of it, I probably will commit suicide. I'm not sure why this is... but viewing life as a game generally is a convincing argument, but almost always leaves me feeling extremely suicidal. Either one day I'll be fully convinced and be set free, or actually will kill myself. -_-
 

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I can relate to this quite a lot, however your experience is probably a tad more intense than mine. There's been a lot of tension between by internal self and my mask recently - I've had to put on more of a mask than usual at my new job, and I think this is the cause of my internal self becoming darker recently. If you look closely at my posts here or on twitter (which is the unmasked self), you'll see a recent leaning towards a more depressive, cynical, despairing nature.

I like the word you've used, too: "distraction". When I'm out socialising etc, that's exactly how it always feels, like distraction. A long period of distraction, though, soon becomes a forgetting; I forget my "true" self and start to become this new, renewed self as you put it. It would almost be accurate to say that in this state I renounce my depressive, despairing self, but I don't even think about it enough to renounce it. It really is just a forgetting. For example, the last place I want to be when I am happy and forgetful is INTP forum. It just draw me to a place in myself I'm not interested in. But yes, like you, the crash is inevitable.

Btw if you want a female I think you'd be better of at an INFJ forum or something, but hey, you never know.
 

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Btw if you want a female I think you'd be better of at an INFJ forum or something, but hey, you never know.


Muahaha. Thanks for the tip ;) lol. Also, just, derailing the thread somewhat, but I tend to enjoy following you on twitter / your blog, you tend to speak what I think, a little more eloquently, and seem more well read and express thoughts I haven't thought of yet, but would've gotten to eventually :D (@mango)
 

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Muahaha. Thanks for the tip ;) lol. Also, just, derailing the thread somewhat, but I tend to enjoy following you on twitter / your blog, you tend to speak what I think, a little more eloquently, and seem more well read and express thoughts I haven't thought of yet, but would've gotten to eventually :D (@mango)

Heh, cool, I tend to feel like a freak if I don't get the odd piece of validation such as this. Glad you get something out of it, what's your twitter username?
 

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To put up a different perspective, I can link tell you that I highly identify with music and often associate emotions with music rather than the actual emotion (so then instead of experiencing a psychotic, antisocial state I just call it The Pervert).

Don't want to be around me if I am experiencing this:
YouTube - Final Fantasy Tactics OST - The Pervert

This is what happens after The Pervert:
YouTube - TRIGUN-Perfect Night


Completely changing emotions here, this is more of a depression/wonder (I can only experience this when in I am in my own world:
YouTube - 015 - 'The Deep Dungeon ( Bonus Track )'

I do the strut to this (narcissism): YouTube - Future Sound Of London - Snake Hips
 
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i was reading this while listening to powerfully and explicitly sad classical music, music that moves me nearly to tears when at a time when it fully clicks and reading this during that i just kept having images of a man jumping from a building, a suicide from guilt of not being one of 'them' or not accepting 'them', being a hateful person and knowing you can never be anything more.

that shit hit me hard, i have to say


note to self: compose sad and moving classical piece
 

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This is why I don't really like to call other people trolls - as long as they practice proper netiquette, I don't see why anyone should be considered a troll for holding unpopular opinions, however venomous they are (as long as those aren't personal, I can even tolerate mild racist comments made against my race). It just seems to be a tool of mob rule in forums, grab some scapegoat and nail him/her to the cross.

Banana Mango said:
Btw if you want a female I think you'd be better of at an INFJ forum or something, but hey, you never know.

He wants an INTP wumman, you...you...fruity thing!
 

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This is why I don't really like to call other people trolls - as long as they practice proper netiquette, I don't see why anyone should be considered a troll for holding unpopular opinions, however venomous they are (as long as those aren't personal, I can even tolerate mild racist comments made against my race). It just seems to be a tool of mob rule in forums, grab some scapegoat and nail him/her to the cross.

There's trolls, and then there's trolls, people who aren't stating their opinion but deliberately saying things that they know people are going to object to strongly, just for the fun of watching the ensuing arguments
 

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There are an amazing number of things that can go wrong with the human brain, especially in this era with so many types of poisons in the environment. It is just common sense that once one begins to sense "wrongness", that one begins a search for the source of that "wrongness" in order to correct or eliminate it. However, we can not put our "hands in our head" so to speak and that which torments us is beyond our capacity to manipulate it, in return, even if discovered.
It is a common thing for people to self-medicate to 'cure' themselves of the wrongness. Some actually use drugs. Others use philosophy. Many philosophies are mental traps that lead to self-destruction of one kind or another. They seemingly offer shelter with an explanation of the "wrongness". However, there is no structural difference between one's philosophical fortress and one's philosophical prison. The significant difference is that of one's POV.
There are any number of drugs that can be used in conjunction with a change in one's philosophy that can radically change one's POV in a positive manner. Seeking out a recommended professional for this purpose should always remain an option considered before that final act of Self destruction is realistically considered. Again, Beware, there are many more fools with degrees and licenses to practice, than there are experienced competent therapists. Get one that has a brain and who knows how to use it...
 

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Just to clarify, I am not and have never considered or cared about suicide. Nothing that I have posted has any reference to suicide or suicidal tendencies. I do not physically harm myself or anyone else in any way and have no lasting urge to do so. When I state information, there is not "hidden meanings" in it (I did not intend for there to be one).
 

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i was reading this while listening to powerfully and explicitly sad classical music, music that moves me nearly to tears when at a time when it fully clicks and reading this during that i just kept having images of a man jumping from a building, a suicide from guilt of not being one of 'them' or not accepting 'them', being a hateful person and knowing you can never be anything more.

that shit hit me hard, i have to say


note to self: compose sad and moving classical piece

This seems to me like sarcasm, I cannot tell for sure, but I do not really know how you got that kind of mental imagery out of that.
 

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I have the same feeling if not worse. I feel disgusting when I see someone smiling stupidly, I don't feel their lifes if you get what I mean. Lately, i also feel disconnecting with the World, it is more like I am not part of it. I do things without actually understanding the reasons behind. i am no longer myself, everything is so blur, so meaningless. I wonder what is going on with me too.
 
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