88sansui
Redshirt
I'll never be able to convey properly what I need to say here for two reasons.
1. I can not think in a linear fashion; it's more 3D. 3D does not translate well into a string of words.
2. I simply can't type fast enough to keep up so most of it gets lost and then I keep going back and rewriting things and changing the order of things which really doesn't help.
The whole idea of an INTP forum is counterintuitive. I think. It seems to me that to an INTP, the need to belong to a group would be a foreign concept. And yet, here is a 'group' of INTPs. There may be an explanation for this phenomenon though. Is it possible that most of the non-INTPs see themselves and others in a completely different way than we do? Do we see the world divided between ourselves on on side and everyone else on the other side? I'll stop writing in the form of questions now and make statements instead. Other people don't break it down that way. They just don't see thinks in those terms. They categorize people by social status, interests, etc. Like, " I'm into Harley-Davidsons and he's into golf so we must be very different people". Or, "I enjoy wine and the arts and she likes Starbucks and indie music so we must be very different people". Then they all feel the need to advertize to everyone else what group they belong too. They do this by how they dress what they drive, where they socialize etc. And these things are all very important to them. To me, when I see someone dressed up in one of those costumes like a skater or a hippie or a country-clubber or a sports team fan or a biker or geek or anything else at all, I instantly lose respect for them. I think it is silly to divide things up that way. I think they are all non-INTPs and just look at things completely different. As if they slice the onion top to bottom to divide it up and we slice it side to side. Since they all tend to slice the same way, they can all relate to each other rather easily and so they need to wear their costumes and have their cliques and groups just to have some kind of separation among themselves to simplify things but to us, separating people that way makes no sense and just looks stupid. So we are sort of left on the outside at least in our own perception of things. We aren't outcasts by any means. We actually blend in quite well precisely because we don't wear costumes. When one of the others talks with one of us, I think they are often quite surprised at what they find. They may immediately feel a sense of inferiority or even feel naked because we can see right through them in a way that they can perceive (if we allow them to) and it gives them that awkward feeling so they may accuse us of being arrogant, rude, weird, a jerk and on and on. When they get to know us, they find us very perceptive, intuitive, intelligent, and they appreciate our honesty, integrity and loyalty and how we help them to understand themselves and the world around them. We enjoy these interactions with the 'others' but somehow still feel a sense of separation or incompleteness and wearing a Steelers jersey isn't going to change that. Neither is joining some stupid online forum. Or is it? We actually have found other people who slice the onion the same way, and that's not such a bad think. We have found people who can read this post and actually know what I'm talking about. I'll tell you a little story now. My wife died earlier this year after a lifetime of illness. It was brutal what she endured and I could never have done it. But now I'm 38, single, no kids (yet!), make good money and I'm a good looking guy and have my life pretty well in order (for an INTP) and so I've been looking on these dating websites at the profiles of the women around here and they all just look simply ridiculous to me. They keep talking about which vertical slice of onion they are and which one they are looking for but that is meaningless to me. So I look at how they write the profile instead of what they write in it. The whole dating process is really irritating. I would much rather spend a week or two scouring the internet, researching, and then buy my new wife on eBay and live happily ever after. Or maybe I'll walk up to some random woman on the street and tap her on the shoulder and say, "tag, you're it. Now come along with me." In the meantime, I'll just check in on this forum every so often just to know that I am sane.
Does anyone relate to any of this or see things in a different way?
1. I can not think in a linear fashion; it's more 3D. 3D does not translate well into a string of words.
2. I simply can't type fast enough to keep up so most of it gets lost and then I keep going back and rewriting things and changing the order of things which really doesn't help.
The whole idea of an INTP forum is counterintuitive. I think. It seems to me that to an INTP, the need to belong to a group would be a foreign concept. And yet, here is a 'group' of INTPs. There may be an explanation for this phenomenon though. Is it possible that most of the non-INTPs see themselves and others in a completely different way than we do? Do we see the world divided between ourselves on on side and everyone else on the other side? I'll stop writing in the form of questions now and make statements instead. Other people don't break it down that way. They just don't see thinks in those terms. They categorize people by social status, interests, etc. Like, " I'm into Harley-Davidsons and he's into golf so we must be very different people". Or, "I enjoy wine and the arts and she likes Starbucks and indie music so we must be very different people". Then they all feel the need to advertize to everyone else what group they belong too. They do this by how they dress what they drive, where they socialize etc. And these things are all very important to them. To me, when I see someone dressed up in one of those costumes like a skater or a hippie or a country-clubber or a sports team fan or a biker or geek or anything else at all, I instantly lose respect for them. I think it is silly to divide things up that way. I think they are all non-INTPs and just look at things completely different. As if they slice the onion top to bottom to divide it up and we slice it side to side. Since they all tend to slice the same way, they can all relate to each other rather easily and so they need to wear their costumes and have their cliques and groups just to have some kind of separation among themselves to simplify things but to us, separating people that way makes no sense and just looks stupid. So we are sort of left on the outside at least in our own perception of things. We aren't outcasts by any means. We actually blend in quite well precisely because we don't wear costumes. When one of the others talks with one of us, I think they are often quite surprised at what they find. They may immediately feel a sense of inferiority or even feel naked because we can see right through them in a way that they can perceive (if we allow them to) and it gives them that awkward feeling so they may accuse us of being arrogant, rude, weird, a jerk and on and on. When they get to know us, they find us very perceptive, intuitive, intelligent, and they appreciate our honesty, integrity and loyalty and how we help them to understand themselves and the world around them. We enjoy these interactions with the 'others' but somehow still feel a sense of separation or incompleteness and wearing a Steelers jersey isn't going to change that. Neither is joining some stupid online forum. Or is it? We actually have found other people who slice the onion the same way, and that's not such a bad think. We have found people who can read this post and actually know what I'm talking about. I'll tell you a little story now. My wife died earlier this year after a lifetime of illness. It was brutal what she endured and I could never have done it. But now I'm 38, single, no kids (yet!), make good money and I'm a good looking guy and have my life pretty well in order (for an INTP) and so I've been looking on these dating websites at the profiles of the women around here and they all just look simply ridiculous to me. They keep talking about which vertical slice of onion they are and which one they are looking for but that is meaningless to me. So I look at how they write the profile instead of what they write in it. The whole dating process is really irritating. I would much rather spend a week or two scouring the internet, researching, and then buy my new wife on eBay and live happily ever after. Or maybe I'll walk up to some random woman on the street and tap her on the shoulder and say, "tag, you're it. Now come along with me." In the meantime, I'll just check in on this forum every so often just to know that I am sane.
Does anyone relate to any of this or see things in a different way?
I was just thinking the same thing last night while posting. This Forum is great! Intelligent individuals. INTPness. And its own resident Village NoID10ts.