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Who is/was XIII?

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#51
I agree it's a noble thing to excuse negative behavior for one's inspirational ideas, but that calls for a critical evaluation to determine justified tolerance from sycophantic indulgence.
This is a very good point that I will have to think about.

I really would like to explore this as a thread topic to be honest.
I think it would be a good idea. It's been touched upon in a number of threads related to bannings and the role of the mods but I haven't ever seen it discussed in principle.
 

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Anyone who pretends to be a fourteen year old lesbian should be considered deranged, not interesting.
 
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Can one not be both?
meet some deranged people and tell me if they were "interesting" rather than horrifying.

of course one can be both but with rising derangement, investigation eventually becomes too risky to be a reasonable pursuit, and hence any "interesting" quality becomes irrelevant.
 

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meet some deranged people and tell me if they were "interesting" rather than horrifying.

of course one can be both but with rising derangement, investigation eventually becomes too risky to be a reasonable pursuit, and hence any "interesting" quality becomes irrelevant.
It seems we disagree here. I understand what you're getting at though. :)
 
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I've heard about Sparrow. Can anyone fill me in about this person?

As per OP; I've had minimal contact with Lyra. Very interesting, very intelligent.

Unfortunate.

As you all know, overconfidence is man's greatest enemy.
Heh I could but then I'll get real messy, a whole new layer would emerge but then it'll eventually link back to a friend of mine. Unless I just give a few details... but I don't do that for free :D you would have to become my servant and information source! To be less dramatic you would just have to tell me interesting stuff...
 
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Re: Who is/was XIII???

Allow me to pose a theory, as oversimplified as it might be. When we analyze, we tear the whole into parts, in any way we see fit, destroying the whole, but hoping to gain some insight and see how the whole might work should the parts ever be put back together. Would you agree if this "whole" belongs to you, you might want to see it analyzed for doing that might reveal a discovery that will improve things when a replacement part puts things back together? Think of a computer programmer who has written a program that could run more smoothly or has a bug in it needing a fix. You, an IxTP might want to analyze it, see how it works and make it work better.

Does this theory apply to lyra? No. It applies to IxTP's.

Well what about lyra/XIII and company? If the 1st paragraph applies to IxTP's, what if we negate the process? What do we get? When a story is told it is meant to be applied to some context. We can place it in any context we wish. It is up to us. The story or art work is not meant to be analyzed but rather applied. Just as there are many ways to analyze, there can be many contextual placements. Think of a distributed processing system, the internet. It can be applied to cure cancer, to play games with, or to build weapons of terror. What is important? What is important is to find a use. If a cancer cure is a possibility and is important enough, focusing on the electronic details is an irritant and a distraction and can cause anger if deemed important enough.

A story is told, a proposal is made. Puzzling, provoking, unknown. Analyze it, you destroy it. The purpose is to move outward, not inward.* It is highly tempting for people of logic to analyze. Applying something, like the invention of the wheel or the discovery of fire, is more for those seeking adventure who move outward.

This theory applies to lyra.
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Anyone who pretends to be a fourteen year old lesbian should be considered deranged, not interesting.
Not only that, but to base one's profile around a child porn star is just weird.
 
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Not only that, but to base one's profile around a child porn star is just weird.
It's a terrible situation. Too old for pedophilia, not old enough to avoid being jail bait.

P.S. Just to make sure this is not a derailment, she wasn't XIII, was she?
 

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It's a terrible situation. Too old for pedophilia, not old enough to avoid being jail bait.

P.S. Just to make sure this is not a derailment, she wasn't XIII, was she?
(s)he claims to be XIII. I guess that makes this not derailment. I don't personally believe that she is XIII, though.

EDIT: I just understood what you were asking. Go ahead and talk about Lyra's pedophilia, I don't care ;D


I have recently come across some serious information, but it was in a PM. I am awaiting permission from the PMer to let me post the data (s)he gave me.
 
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EDIT: I just understood what you were asking. Go ahead and talk about Lyra's pedophilia, I don't care ;D

I have recently come across some serious information, but it was in a PM. I am awaiting permission from the PMer to let me post the data (s)he gave me.
A person's PM is to be respected. If they admitted pedophilia to you privately that is not to be broadcast publicly. Even though you have given me permission to talk about it, indicating your indifference, I intend to keep it all hush hush. Shhh!
 

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A person's PM is to be respected. If they admitted pedophilia to you privately that is not to be broadcast publicly. Even though you have given me permission to talk about it, indicating your indifference, I intend to keep it all hush hush. Shhh!
Pedophilia had nothing to do with the PM I received. I am awaiting permission from here to post the information that he did give me (a few links) here so that I can get some opinions about them.

If he doesn't respond in 10 days I'll consider posting them without his approval.
 
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Pedophilia had nothing to do with the PM I received. I am awaiting permission from here to post the information that he did give me (a few links) here so that I can get some opinions about them.

If he doesn't respond in 10 days I'll consider posting them without his approval.
I would not consider posting without approval. That kind of stuff could get you banned... that said... if you were to message them to someone else accidentally and they were to post it then pshht not your fault right :P
 
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post it anonymous, you might as well have faked it, you'll become mysterious yourself. nothing worse can happen.
 

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It shows a lot of artistic foresight in my opinion. He created something very specific to the medium and the form of communication (forum), what is a new medium and probably without much artistic precedence. And as a rule, form = content, is a sign of good art.

His project raises ethical questions in my opinion, as certainly manipulation was involved in it. But that doesn't stop it from being interesting or having value.
Absolutely. As an artists myself, I find his theory full of creative potential. Like changing perspective on a a fixated still life getting different angles and viewpoints. Extremely interesting stuff.

Lyra isn't someone you can easily agree to disagree with (and woe to anyone who calls him out on any particular point), but I don't think that he is a troll. There are a number of themes that consistently run throughout his posts related to ideas that he was dedicated to exploring, including the plasticity of human identity and the extent to which it can be consciously altered in order to achieve something higher. That idea resonated with me tremendously because I was in a receptive position at the time and just needed someone to express it the right way, which Lyra did.

If you're looking for something rigorously systematic in Lyra's project you won't find it. His aim, as I understand it, was to plant seeds and expose loose threads that would cause curious individuals who happened upon them to explore the ideas further. I do think that BAP, in spite of his occasional obtuseness, is approaching as close a definition as possible for someone like Lyra who categorically resists and evades being defined (and he would probably resent me saying this).

His methods and his message(s) are clearly not for everyone or even every moment. I stumbled across his stuff several times before I was really in a position to try and appreciate what he was doing. I don't think it's fair to dismiss him altogether because of his subversive and manipulative tendencies or because of his venomous ad hominems. You're throwing out a number of babies out with that bathwater if you do.

To me Lyra came as close to embodying the Walt Whitman's idea of "containing multitudes" as anyone I've ever encountered, and for that achievement I admire him.
Agreed, interesting theories. However "messed up" the person is, they are still interesting.

14 year old pedophile? But.... unless she's going with a toddler or someone a lot younger, she's a child herself...
 
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The stuff about paedophilia has been somewhat skewed (probably my fault).

Let me clarify.

The comment was made about Facetious Persona's profile; not Lyra's. Face used images of a girl that has featured in child porn videos as a kind of weird character profile.

I seriously doubt Face was this girl.

but yeah, this is off topic.
 

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The comment was made about Facetious Persona's profile; not Lyra's. Face used images of a girl that has featured in child porn videos as a kind of weird character profile.
How did anyone go about finding this out? :phear:
 
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How did anyone go about finding this out? :phear:
Well, you may or may not be aware of the old Blue Waffle search. It's where you are searching for a particular thing and occasionally stumble across a random image. For a ridiculous example - searching for a cock (the rooster) and being linked to a load of male genitalia. Innocent (sometimes naïve) searches that pick up the dirt.

Well this happened to me and an image popped up where I was like "is that Face?". The image looked very similar to the one on the Bearded thread, so I clicked on it. I really wish I hadn't as it linked me to other images. I have flagged them and Tineye appears to confirm that the one I was linked to has been taken down.
 

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Has anyone else noticed that Dormouse and Lyra have the same sigpic?



Well, you may or may not be aware of the old Blue Waffle search. It's where you are searching for a particular thing and occasionally stumble across a random image. For a ridiculous example - searching for a cock (the rooster) and being linked to a load of male genitalia. Innocent (sometimes naïve) searches that pick up the dirt.

Well this happened to me and an image popped up where I was like "is that Face?". The image looked very similar to the one on the Bearded thread, so I clicked on it. I really wish I hadn't as it linked me to other images. I have flagged them and Tineye appears to confirm that the one I was linked to has been taken down.
Thank you for clearing that up.
 

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I thought all of this to be quite interesting. I did a psychological paper on it some time after I left the group. Very interesting.
 
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I wonder what Lyra learned from this process. I tried a little self-experimentation, but I took it a bit too far and started attracting unwanted attention. It's back to the core for a while, or at least away from the shadow. Not sure if I can pull off 22.
 
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