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Where did we go wrong?

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A bit long, I know. I wrote this a few months back during a small bit of depression, and I just found it when recently cleaning out my documents folder....

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Where did we go wrong?

Somewhere along the way, we took a wrong turn. I don't know where; I don't know when. I just see it now. Where have all of the St. Augustine's, the Socrates, Platos, Aristotles, etc., of the world gone to? We are now more consumed with who is going to win the current season of “American Idol”, or the latest celebrity gossip, than we are of our own existences.

This saddens me.

Original thinking is discouraged. We hear that we need to “think outside the box” all the time – but when people do this, they are criticized. It is as if this “box” that we are supposed to think outside of, has its' own set of boundaries as well. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

We have evolved into a society where extreme carelessness, self-importance, and gluttony are not only cherished, but rewarded. We look up to these individuals. We aspire to be them. We only dream of living one day in their shoes.

This is not life. We are wasting the one thing that we are guaranteed. It is the most precious of gifts that we have been given, and we are using, abusing, and destroying it. We only have a finite amount of resources to go around, and our vast overpopulation has caused a crisis. We will run out of these natural resources one day. Then what will we do?

Nature used to keep a delicate balance, in order to maintain this equilibrium. We have disrupted nature's course, and even when she strikes back and shows us her power, we continue to ignore it. “Survival of the fittest” used to be the way of life. The weakest/slowest animals at the back of the herd were the ones that got slaughtered, to ensure the continuity of the rest of the pack. We have but one purpose in life – and that is to reproduce; to keep our species alive. There was a time when the average human lifespan was a mere 20-30 years. Now we are pushing 100 years, and in due time, I fear that the average lifespan will be 120+ years. Our planet cannot sustain this. It needs life, and thus death, in order to survive.

Nature itself already cannot produce enough food for us to survive. We grow crops, such as corn (grass), wheat, and soy, to feed us. We have to enrich these seeds with the necessary vitamins and minerals that we need to survive. On their own, these foods would kill us. We could not survive on them alone. We have animals that are mass-produced in “factories”; these animals are given torturous lives, and will never know the happy life that humans get to live. We have to give cows hormones so that they lactate most of the year, to give us our milk and dairy products. We pump our chickens, cows, and pigs full of hormones in order to make them bigger, to produce more meat for us to consume. These hormones are then consumed by us when we eat those very same meat products.

Without humans playing God in this manner, we would die. Nature cannot do its' job, because there is only so much time and space available, and way too many people to take care of. We artificially keep people alive for decades beyond nature is wanting. While it may sound cynical and crass, if a person gets cancer, perhaps that is nature's way of saying “Hey! You're killing me here – help me out; I can't do this on my own … let's get rid of some of these people”.

We never want to lose our loved ones. But remember, that our only purpose here on earth – is to reproduce; to maintain our species' survival. It is embedded into our DNA. It is an undeniable task that we can not ignore. Every person, at some point in their life, will feel the biological urge to have a child. They cannot control it. It is science at its' finest.

We have messed up, a lot. And I fear that we will not be able to fix it before it permanently brings us to our own demise.

We put too much emphasis on our lives based upon what people dictate is right or wrong. Are we not our own? Slavery was abolished in the states in the mid 1800s. Why do we still allow it to flourish now? We can not fool ourselves. The slavery that is in abundance now, while in a different form than what we are traditionally used to, is still just as prevalent as it was then. It is even more cherished and sought out than it was then.

We do not own our bodies, nor own minds. We are not allowed to do anything that we so desire (as long as it does not infringe on another person's desires). We are not allowed to question the way things are. If we dare do so, we are labeled as truant. As troublemakers. This is not life. At least not the kind of life that I wish to be involved with. A person once told me that in order to be truly happy in this life, one must maintain a permanent state of stupidity. You cannot ask 'why'. You must just do.

We are enslaved to our masters (our bosses, our banks that hold our debt, our culture that tells us that we must contribute to the ever-increasing state of materialism that is plaguing us). We cannot break free. Try it. We lie to ourselves and say that we have to do this things. “If I don't work, I cannot eat.” These are misconceptions. In the 18th (and previous) centuries, we fed ourselves the way that nature provided to us. We hunted, we fished, we gathered, we planted. These are the things that are necessary for us to do to feed ourselves. Sitting in an enclosed room with 50+ other people, each of whom are starting at a box, pushing buttons in front of them, just for the purpose of increasing an integer stored in another box somewhere, is not a way to feed ourselves. It dulls us. It creates this “hell” that we now reside in.

We have become comfortable, or complacent should I say, with this reality that we have built for ourselves. I fear that the majority of us, should a disaster strike and knock out our electrical systems, would simply starve to death once our current canned food supply ran out. It seems that so many of the necessary life skills that our grandparents and further ancestors possessed are dying out, and we don't bother to learn how to do them. Making our own clothes. Hunting/fishing for our own food. Growing our own gardens. Learning how to use nature's plants and herbs as natural medicines. Learning to live in peace and harmony (with ourselves, with others, with animals, with everything), without having to ingest various combinations of chemical powders (usually in a table or capsule form) in order to make us feel “normal”.

What is normal anyway?

Is normal defined by the majority of people who are admittedly happy with succumbing to this life that we have ruined? Shouldn't it be defined by the people that truly appreciate this life? Shouldn't it be defined by the people that question everything? The great inventors of our time were crazy. They were shunned. Some of them were executed. The great philosophers were not 'normal'. The men that founded the United States were rebels. Many of them enjoyed smoking a substance that has now been deemed illegal, and the mere possession of this plant will result in being placed into a structure with many other men, where you will not be able to leave until a predetermined amount of time has passed by. The many great authors of our time used “illegal” substances. Some of our past's greatest children's books were written under the influence of psychedelic, hallucinogenic drugs. The forefather of our modern-day psychology, Sigmund Freud, rather enjoyed consuming another evil plant – cocaine.
Are these the normal people? They are the people that the rest of society now look up. We love their entertainment. We learn about them all throughout life. They are cherished – now that they are dead. But when they were alive, and they were “different”, they were shunned. Why?

Humans are a fascinating genus. Albert Einstein (another eccentric genius that we used to think was crazy) said it best … “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” By that very definition, we are insane. We live highly monotonous lives. Day in, day out. Nothing changes. We awake to an artificially-generated mechanical buzzing sound (instead of the natural sound of a rooster crowing or the rise of our morning sun). We put on the latest fashionable threads to adorn our bodies. We consume a highly addictive stimulant (most commonly in a hot liquid form, mixed with sugar – another highly addictive food that targets our brain's dopamine-producing pleasure centers, much in the same way as cocaine and heroin does) in order to prepare us for the day. We spend a precious few minutes putting a highly-processed, genetically modified, “frankenfood” into our bodies. We go outside and get inside of a metal box, which takes us to an even bigger box typically made of concrete, steel, or wood. We sit in this bigger box (with many other people) for roughly 8-10 hours, upon which time, we go back to the smaller metal box, then return to the main box that we spend most of lives in.

This monotonous schedule is dictated to us by another set of people. We have to ask their permission if we do not wish to go sit in their big box all day long. We are told when we are allowed to consume more fuel to continue functioning. We are told when we have to come to the box, and when we can leave the big box. We are told how often we must do this. And while we are not told for how long we must go to this box, we all know that we will have to maintain this vicious cycle for the next 30-50 years of our lives. Sadly, some of us never get to leave this cycle. We stay in it until it crushes us. We stay in that big box, until finally we are lowered subterraneanously, in a much smaller box, typically made of wood.

Yes, this is our life. Some of us cope with it by consuming the fermented sugars from the offspring of various plants. The consumption of these fermented sugars makes us feel relaxed, and often lowers our inhibitions. At one point in time, people were actually punished for consuming naturally-occurring fermented sugars. Fascinating, isn't it? The way that people decide which botanical specimen is permissible for consumption.

For instance, let's take a look at the following list.:

Papaver somniferum
Erythroxylum coca
Solanaceae
Sassafras albidum
Coffea arabica
Theobroma cacao
Saccharum
Cannabis
Mentha longifolia

Out of these 9 plants, the mere possession of two of them, even in their completely natural unprocessed state will result in trouble. You need special permission in order to consume some of them. Others, you have to pay a special price to a governing group of people that tell you what you can and cannot do, in order to consume them. And yet others, are consumed daily, with no permission needed, and no special tax to pay. It is rather strange, considering that they are all just plants. The names of these plants might not mean anything to you, so let's briefly go over them.

1.Papaver somniferum. This plant has been used throughout history has one of nature's best known painkillers. The poppy plant is also a very popular ornamental decorative that many of you may possess in your gardens right now. If you have special permission from a person, you may consume this plant. Commonly referenced as “heroin”.
2.Erythroxylum coca. This plant's leaves have been chewed by thousands of generations of people, typically in South America. This is now illegal to do so. If you have special permission from a person, they may apply parts of this plant to your body, but you are never allowed to consume this plant. Commonly referenced as “cocaine”.
3.Solanaceae. This plant's leaves have been chewed, smoked and snorted all throughout history, and is still done so to this day. This plant's leaves contain a highly toxic, extremely addictive substance (the most addictive substance known to man) known as nicotine. You may purchase this plant only from special places that have permission to exchange this plant's processed leaves for tender. It is commonly sold in the form of cigarettes, cigars, loose tobacco, or in a powder form for insufflation.
4.Sassafras albidum. This plant has multiple uses. It's primary ingredient has been used throughout history to make a tasty beverage known as 'root beer'. It's leaves and stems, when ground up, are also used as a common food spice/herb, in order to provide additional flavor for consumption. When used in these 2 forms, this plant is legal for consumption, and no special permission is required. This plant is also used to produce the illegal street drug ecstasy. You may not ingest the plant in this form. It is illegal to do so. You can not currently get special permission to eat this plant for this purpose. Commonly referenced as “sassafras”.
5.Coffea arabica. This plant produces a bean that, when prepared, millions of people consume. This plant contains an highly addictive stimulant that a significant portion of the human population require in order to function on a daily basis. This plant is legal for consumption. Commonly referenced as “coffee”.
6.Theobroma cacao. This plant produces a bean that, when prepared, millions of people eat. This plant also contains an addictive substance (although not as addictive as the coffea arabica plant); however, unlike the coffea arabica, this addictive substance is a toxic poison when consumed in excessive amounts. It will kill several species of animals. Humans are highly addicted to this plant. It is legal for consumption. Commonly referenced as “chocolate”.
7.Saccharum. This plant produces an incredibly addictive substance. Affects the dopamine-producing pleasure centers of the brain, in the same ways that the illegal street drugs cocaine and heroin do so. Legal for consumption. Many people can not go one single day without consuming saccharum. Commonly referenced as “sugar”.
8.Cannabis. This plant has been used throughout history for spiritual, medicinal, and recreational purposes. In some areas, you have to get special permission in order to consume this plant. In others, you will be punished for the mere possession of this plant. Commonly referenced as ”marijuana”.
9.Mentha longifolia. This plant produces an herb that many humans use to alter the taste of their foods. It is legal for consumption. Commonly referenced as 'mint'.

Us humans are a rather fascinating species in our genus. I wish that I could observe them as an outsider; much the same way that we observe other species.

What makes one species better than another? Why have we ultimately decided that we are the only species that truly matters? There are over 1.7 million different species alone on earth currently. We are just one of those species. That means that there are at least 1,699,999 other species on earth. And yet, we have decided that we are the best. The huge ball that we reside within is just one of many in our galaxy. And we are the best. Undefeated. Undeterred. And nobody cares to question why. We are too concerned with having better metal boxes that have better aesthetic effects and have greater trajectory velocities, to take us to other big boxes in a more adequate efficient manner. We have not yet solved the problem of the millions of other people trying to get to other locales in their metal boxes at well, at the exact same moment in space/time that you are, thus slowing down the entire process. This process is not enjoyable, and most people dread it. They have to do it approximately 4 times a day. After the 4th time, some humans like to consume the fermented offspring of various plants. This is legal to do so, as long as a special group of humans have determined that you have matured an appropriate amount of time. If you have not, then the mere possession of these fermented offspring can result in legal trouble.

Fascinating, isn't it? It can drive one literally crazy to think about all of this. To truly grasp it, is almost impossible, I think.

Another interesting facet of our civilization is the inability for humans to truly think for ourselves. Instead, we follow a strict set of rules that were written a few thousand years ago, by a chosen entity that supposedly created us. Nobody has ever seen this entity. There is no scientific proof to his existence. Yet, a significant portion of the human population firmly believes in the existence of this entity. They worship it. They kill for it. They give their lives to it. They cannot solve problems on their own; they “give” their problems away to this entity.

And the rules that this entity requires that we live by; apparently they are impenetrable. There is a very harsh form of retribution for doing so. One extreme form of this is an eternal captivity in an extremely tumultuous environment, supposedly filled with fire and brimstone, and we will feel excruciating burning pain forever. It will not stop. There will never be relief. Humans actually believe this. In past times, humans would take the lives of other humans for not believing this as well. While this practice does still happen today, it is not a noticeable as in the past. Perhaps we have matured and evolved.

Or maybe we're just too concerned with the inanimate boxes that we keep in our bigger boxes that we reside in. These inanimate boxes are used for both decor and entertainment. They typically display an array of pixelated images that move and produce various frequencies for our auditory and visual stimulation. These boxes are a rather important part of our lives now. We often use these boxes to obtain biased knowledge of what other humans are doing in other geographic coordinates. More times than not, this knowledge is useless to us, and does not affect our lives' in any foreseeable form. Yet we are enticed by them. We are addicted to them. We will gather together in groups around them, much as the way our ancestors did around a fire at night. Except our ancestors received a benefit from that fire. They received light, warmth, and heat. We receive nothing but a mindless form of entertainment.

We are products of own environments. Part of me thinks that we are not to blame for this. If one cannot change something, does inaction make you an even further part of the problem? This is the life that we know it. We can dream of a better time. But our dreams are materialistic in nature. We do not dream to become one with life. Our dreams are not spiritualistic. We dream of taking distance vacations, sitting in sand near large bodies of water, and consuming those tasty fermented plant-offspring that we love so much.

Ronald K. Siegal says that we have 4 basic undeniable desires. Food, sex, sleep, and intoxication. I understand the first 3; those are obvious. But the last one, intoxication, intrigues me. I read that it was animals that first showed us about the intoxicating effects of consuming various plants. Goats showed us coffee. Llamas showed us cocaine. Apes showed us alcohol. Bees, birds, cats, cows, elephants, monkeys, even common rodents, will all seek out intoxicating plants, for the sole purpose of having fun. Humans are no different. Yet somehow, we have taken it upon ourselves to decide that we are the ultimate species, superior to all others, and that we decide what is right, and what is wrong. We don't care if other species consume certain plants. Although we are just cousins to these species, with just a slightly different arrangement of our molecular structures, we leave them alone. We are better than them. We enslave them. We own them. We have become God (if such an entity exists, that is).

I don't understand how certain groups in our species rise to power, and are able to convince the multitude of humans to listen and obey them. That their way is the right way, above all others. Groups of these people fight the other groups all the time. Nobody wins, everybody loses. Time has proven this over and over again, and history always repeats itself, but for some reason, we fail to grasp this. One would think that we would learn from past mistakes, but we keep committing those same mistakes repeatedly, with no different end results. Why do we continue to do this? Are our egos so massive that we think that we can do a better job than previous attempts?

I am sure that these fallacies have existed since the beginning of man. At one time, we thought that the earth was flat (the horror!). People were actually shunned, ridiculed, and occasionally executed for saying otherwise. Imagine that! Living in a society where your voice cannot be heard, unless it is in agreement with the vast majority of the populace.

To me, we are supposed to have the right to life, the right to freedom, and the right to be happy. These are rights, not privileges. Rights are never earned, and they should never be able to be taken away. Unfortunately, they are taken away from us all the time, by these smaller groups of people who have decided that they are more important, and vastly more powerful, then their equally-structured molecular counterparts. Weird, isn't it? Out of the billions of humans that currently occupy Earth, such a tiny fraction of these people make up the group that tell everybody else what they can do, and when they can do it. And the rest of the billions of these people in this group simply allow it. It's as if they don't realize, or simply do not care, that this is happening. Almost as if they want it to happen. They even get together and talk to other humans, and decide upon which small group of these people are most qualified to tell them what to do. Human life is rather fascinating, I must say.

I sometimes wonder why we allow ourselves to be molded like this. While we are a product of our environments, we are still ultimately responsible for our own actions/inactions. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, remember?
 

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How about the scientists? They don't compare with the great thinkers of the past? The guys who brought you computers, medicines, and cars?
 

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Sure, but people who invent or discover significant things are not the norm.
 

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Let's just rephrase the question as "What the hell is wrong with us?" instead of "Where did we go wrong?" Like the above posts, I'm not at all convinced that people weren't even more retarded in the past. It sure seems that way sometimes when I talk to people from older generations (see the Flynn effect).

Also, xkcd #603:
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But that's an oversimplification; I pretty much agree with your essay, although I just skimmed it (sorry, I'm pretty busy today, I'll catch up tonight when I have more time).
 

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I don't think that was the norm 2000bc either.

Well no, I don't believe it was, either. But that wasn't really my point of what I wrote. I'm sure that the same problems that we have today, are similar in nature to the problems that earlier generations had to deal with.

I guess what I should have responded with was that while there are people that do not fit the generic mold that we have been cast into (the modern scientists, researchers, philosophers, etc.). the majority of us are just carbon copies of one another.
 

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Let's just rephrase the question as "What the hell is wrong with us?" instead of "Where did we go wrong?" Like the above posts, I'm not at all convinced that people weren't even more retarded in the past. It sure seems that way sometimes when I talk to people from older generations (see the Flynn effect).

Also, xkcd #603:
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But that's an oversimplification; I pretty much agree with your essay, although I just skimmed it (sorry, I'm pretty busy today, I'll catch up tonight when I have more time).

I like that title much better than the one I chose. 'Where did we go wrong?' implies that we were once right, and I have only a limited experience on life (32 years versus 250,000 years). So yah, I choose 'What the hell is wrong with us?' as the new name. :)
 

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I couldn't bring myself to read the rest. When society is viewed en masse, popular opinion will always appear shallow and self-destructive. There just tends to be an overproduction of certain types of people who foster superficial existence. We never went wrong, nor will we ever, we just do a little more each day.
 

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The moral decay of one generation to the next always fascinates me. Since man was born every older generation thinks the next is morally bankrupt and will destroy society. But I think there wrong. You are looking at the whole, not the moments and people.
 

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The moral decay of one generation to the next always fascinates me. Since man was born every older generation thinks the next is morally bankrupt and will destroy society. But I think there wrong. You are looking at the whole, not the moments and people.

Interesting viewpoint; especially since older generations are typically responsible for the upbringing of the next generation. For example, a group of older men playing some cards, complaining about "today's kids", talking about things were done "in their day", even though it was those men's actions that brought up the behavior of today's kids.
 

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Interesting viewpoint; especially since older generations are typically responsible for the upbringing of the next generation. For example, a group of older men playing some cards, complaining about "today's kids", talking about things were done "in their day", even though it was those men's actions that brought up the behavior of today's kids.


You know i'm going to have to agree here. I notice so many children nowadays who don't have any manners, who don't know the meaning of please and thank-you, and I blame the parents. My 2 year old knows how to say please and thank-you sincerely, so I really doubt it's that hard to teach it to your kids. Morally bankrupt generations are a result of lazy parenting.
 

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This has to be the best thing I've read in a very very long time. Mainly because, I have seen it this way since I was a very small child, and I hate the way the world is. I hate the way people can be. We could choose to be so kind to each other, but we only choose to be false most of the time. No one seems to know or care about any sort of truth, they only want the truth if it's pretty, and they especially don't want to understand any deeper truths about themselves or others. We are capable of such love and compassion, of forming deep connections with each other, but I don't know hardly a soul who even can love. Sometimes it hurts me to care about people that don't really care in return. It hurts to not have a way of helping them, helping the world, helping animals, etc. I hate money, too. I hate how we can't just escape to the woods, build our own house and have our own life, free of everything. I don't believe in evil, and I don't believe in sin, and I think human beings left to their own devices wouldn't be killing each other and raping each other. I believe at heart we are good, and it is this modern society and religion that destroy us. You talk about boxes, as an INTP. I am an INFP/INFJ, so I talk about maps. The maps that we create as we grow from a child to an adult, the way that we think we "should" do this and "should" do that, etc. I'm sure you know what I mean. Most people never stop to wonder what is under those maps. If you tell your problems to another person, they do not look inside themselves, look at their own experiences, and uncover a real answer for you, no, they spout some maxim and expect you to go away. Most people are just waiting for their turn to speak. In the end, people have such a hard time loving and understanding themselves on a deeper level. They don't WANT to understand themselves, and if they understand, they don't want to LOVE themselves, because they find that they are not what is "normal" or "right" or widely accepted.
I began to read at the age of two, most people don't believe me, but it's true. That's also when I began to draw. I had this insatiable urge to find the best way to communicate my heart, to truly cause another person to completely understand me. So that if I told them to picture a red ball, They would picture the same red ball, with the same texture, the same size, the same background, etc. This is just an example, but you get the idea. My parents tell me that I started speaking late, just before the age of 2, but that when I began to speak, it was in sentences, and I did not use baby talk like other kids. My first words were, "Hello Dad."
But who can explain why I did this, why I learned the language to the best of my ability before speaking, instead of goo-gooing and ga-gaing like all the other kids. Who can explain why I figured out how to read on my own when papers I helped my teachers grade in Honors English in College didn't even make sense and I was shocked to notice adult people, adult people who had graduated, who had done well, who had gotten into the Honors English course couldn't even convey themselves as well as I could convey myself when I was a child.
I tell you this because I have always seen these boxes you speak of, and I have never been inside of one, I have always seen myself as outside the norm, while considering myself actually more "normal" than most everyone around me.
I am a 25 year old woman. I like sex and I am not ashamed of my desire or my fantasies even though they are abnormal, I like learning. I am an artist, but I like to write as well. I am a self learned linguist and I can speak 7 languages with varying success rates. I can digitally paint in a very lifelike way even though my art is not appreciated. I am not famous. I can write very very well, but I do not because I know that my characters wouldn't be understood by very many other people. I can build my own computers. I can change my own oil, spark plugs, and many other things under car hoods. I was taught how to grow plants from my grandfather who was a landscape architect. I even know how to make and care for Bonsai. I know how to build a house because my stepfather is a contractor. I know how to tile a floor because that's what my dad did for a living. I have learned all the muscles, all the bones, all the organs in the human body and what they do, because I am human, because all humans should know that information, but they do not. I know how to dye and cut hair, how to do nails, and how to sew clothing. I know how to crochet. I know how to cook, and I know how to shoot a gun and I am good at it.
It always surprises me when people do not know how to do things. The simplest things, they cannot understand. Recently I asked a few of my friends to sign up for the website Tumblr with me, and we'd all start blogs, right? Keep in mind that my friends are very intelligent people who I admire. Most of them are self-admitted nerds. Of the several who made Tumblr blogs, only one of them understood how the process worked enough to continue posting. This is just the simple understanding of how to post and favorite posts on a website, and my very intelligent friends didn't "get" how to do it, and the website was so "confusing" that they didn't continue to visit it. They asked me things like, "What's all this stuff I see!? I'm seeing stuff I don't like." They didn't understand that when you follow someone, you see all their stuff, you have to sort through some bad to get to good. They didn't understand how to favorite an item, how to reblog something, sometimes they could not find the "follow" button on a blog they liked, and unlike me they did not realize that they could go to their friends page and simply type in a name to follow and they would follow it, etc. You get the idea.
I never mean to sound like an egomaniac, but there are just so many people out there that make me scared for the future of humanity, people that make me think that we deserve whatever is coming to us.
The worst part of my life is the way the world controls us. There is not a day that goes by that I do not think about how sickening our lives are. All this obsession with greed and power and beauty...
My father disowned me for these opinions I have. My father disowned me because I decided I wanted to be an artist and do what I loved instead of do something that could make me a lot of money. That side of my family considers me a waste of intelligence, but the thing is, they never listened to a word I said, and they clearly never understood my meaning.
Even though I've tried this hard for this long to be able to communicate effectively, I still fail, but it is not my fault, it is everyone else around me, and I feel extremely lonely.
I want to just live in a world where I can do what I like and get paid for it. I am not bad at what I do, I'm a very good artist, I'm a good writer, I'm an exceptional lover. I don't even care about stuff and things even though I like stuff just as much as the next person. I just wish I could grow a garden, ignore the government and fiscal responsibility and just make all the things I want to, and trade them with others for things I need, or live entirely alone and never be bothered by anyone again. I have thought several times of giving up the digital world I love so much, and retreating, running away to an area that has hardly any people and living on my own, but I have this fear of being caught and getting in trouble.
In only one area of my life am I lucky, and that is because I found love. Someone to love completely, someone who loves me completely. Even though we fight about his lack of interest in sex and physical intimacy, these are not fights that can destroy us. Slowly, I am learning to see that he loves me, slowly I'm realizing that he does, and that the sex doesn't matter, even though it has always been extremely important to me. I am learning to abandon my expectations that I have had for so many years, and just love him and expect him to be as he IS. He is an INTP, and he is extremely intelligent but has no motivation, and sometimes we fight about that, because he ignores what he should not ignore.
Recently, though, I've begun to hate myself a little because of my anger at his lack of motivation. Why should he have motivation to pick a career when each one of them, he's a slave in a different way? Why should he have to do mundane schoolwork that he already understands in order to get a piece of paper that "validates" his intelligence so that he can make more money - so that we can survive? Why do we need those pieces of paper to survive?! why can't we just study what we like at our own rate and demonstrate our knowledge by showing or talking and then get those nice jobs? And I sit there and think about how old I will be when I finish my degree, I think about how old I will feel in my bones, and I get sad, I get incredibly sad. Instead of caring about all this crap like getting a job, I'd rather just keep learning, keep going to school for different things I'm interested in, but I can't really do that because of the debt I'm getting into just paying for this degree. I will NEED a job just to keep going to school.
Anyhow, yeah, I just ranted a lot. Things like this really get my goat though, which is why I responded in the first place. So yes, I hate the world, and you are not the only one who feels these things with the boxes and the greed and the plants and the way we destroy and are like a parasite to the earth. I feel that way too, and so does my boyfriend, who is the most intelligent person I have met in my life, by the way, and I have tried to meet many people in many countries and from many backgrounds. He is younger than me, much younger than me, actually. I was criticized for that, but after searching so long for just one person who really understood what I was talking about, I wasn't about to give that one person up just because other people disapproved of our relationship. Older men date younger women all the time, and the gap in our age is positively minor in comparison to some, even relationships I've had where the man has been 18 years older than me. After all, how could I expect people to understand my love for my boyfriend when they can't even understand how it's possible that a lack of vocabulary and a lack of certain words causes people to not understand or even be aware of the concept of those things. Like the way in Asia blue and green were one color, and it was simply classified as green. I wanted to explain that concept to people I knew because I was hoping I could eventually get to the point that one contributing factor to the reason I think a lot of people are idiots is because they don't even have what would be a high school reading level back when my grandpa graduated high school. Obviously there's a lot of reasons, and I would sit here and list them all, but I'm feeling like this is way too long. I have, indeed, been called insane before, many many times, so if any part of this was insane, sorry. And if you got this far, thanks for reading this, and ignore any parts that were nonsense or badly written.
 

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You know i'm going to have to agree here. I notice so many children nowadays who don't have any manners, who don't know the meaning of please and thank-you, and I blame the parents. My 2 year old knows how to say please and thank-you sincerely, so I really doubt it's that hard to teach it to your kids. Morally bankrupt generations are a result of lazy parenting.

Uhm yeah....What exactly is the significance of these pretty insignificant words like "please" "thank you"? It just seems so unnecessary to force children to parrot empty phrases. Superficial politeness isn't morality. There must be a more elegant solution to learning them about gratitude, if they must be grateful.

@poster above:

PARAGRAPHS NAO!!!11
 

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Also as a quick note about the generations thing that I read in here.
There is a cycle of generations that humanity goes through, and each little section has their own classifications. Basically there's a cycle humanity goes through every 80 to 100 years and and they always have, and one generation makes up 20 years of that. At the end of the cycle there is a great crisis for the last generation to deal with, usually it's a war or something similar. Then they deal with it, and the cycle starts over again. Well right now, we're in the time of crisis, actually.
I believe the book that talks about this is Generation Zero, I haven't read it but my boyfriend's math professor did. It seems really interesting and probably has some merit.
 

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Uhm yeah....What exactly is the significance of these pretty insignificant words like "please" "thank you"? It just seems so unnecessary to force children to parrot empty phrases. Superficial politeness isn't morality. There must be a more elegant solution to learning them about gratitude, if they must be grateful.

@poster above:

PARAGRAPHS NAO!!!11

I agree with you. Teaching them to be truly grateful is a lot more than just saying please and thank you. It's about teaching empathy. My grandmother always said to me, "Would you like that if someone did it to you?" and things like, "Put yourself in their shoes."
She taught me to always be polite, but she also taught me that every action is a choice, and there is no accounting for taste. She taught me that if someone does something for you that you're glad you didn't have to do yourself, you should show that appreciation by saying thank you or returning the favor.
My grandfather talked about the great depression, he always told me how lucky I was to have paper and pens right at my disposal, that he had to draw on the back of his mom's wood burning stove with charcoal because paper was so scarce and valuable. The stories he told me about his life were real stories, told to me because he loved me and was willing to put the effort in to tell me the whys behind why I should or should not do things. He spared me no ugly truths, I was told everything, from the way my grandfather slaved on the farm to support his frail mother while his father went off to buy hookers with the money the family needed for food to how he and his fellow paratroopers got stranded in this part of Iwo Jima and they had to walk in this jungle for days and how there was no water, and they were feeling so sick and they thought they would die until they finally found water and there was a hut on the other side of the river and it had dead bodies in it. Before they could drink from the river, one of their companions threw a grenade into the hut, and of course there were explosives in the hut and it exploded the corpses and there was bits of rotten corpse in the water. He told me that the smell of dead bodies is by far the worst smell in the world, and how he'd rather bathe in horse crap than smell that smell again, and how at that moment, he knew that fact and he wanted to puke, but they were all so thirsty that they had to drink from this water anyway. He also told me that they nearly beat the guy that threw the grenade in the water to death. But these stories that I think most parents would shy away from telling their children are significant and important, and it meant so much to me to hear about his life in this personal way, as if he'd tell a friend. This taught me to love and be grateful, this taught me a deeper sense of empathy for others.
To teach a child to say please and mean it, you have to be meaningful to them in a meaningful way, you have to stop being afraid that you'll corrupt the child and just tell them the truth, because the truth is all you can ever give, and it is the best thing you can give. Even if it is ugly, the truth is the truth, and by dealing with the pain of the ugliness of the world at an early age, kids actually can learn to accept the hurt of life a little easier. At least that's how I feel, parents need to talk to their kids. It's not just asking little Billy how he did at school or what toy he or she wants for Christmas, it's deeper than that. If you are afraid you won't be able to make the electric bill this month, talk to Billy about that. Yes, Billy is going to worry about you, and you shouldn't worry about worrying your kids about life needlessly, because it isn't needless. They need to worry about you and about themselves in order to learn how to care about others and grow to be genuine people.
 

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Uhm yeah....What exactly is the significance of these pretty insignificant words like "please" "thank you"? It just seems so unnecessary to force children to parrot empty phrases. Superficial politeness isn't morality. There must be a more elegant solution to learning them about gratitude, if they must be grateful.

And then when you get older people constantly tell you, "You say sorry too much," "Don't say your sorry so often," "Quit saying your sorry," etc.

Not that that ever happened to me. ;)
 

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You've attempted to tackle a rather broad range of topics within one post, and it's pretty hard to address with a single reply. Instead, I'll merely ask you if you've read the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Your post is very reminscient of the book, to my eyes.

All in all, I think it's good to contemplate such things, occasionally. It helps us keep perspective.
 

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Simple.

The student is no longer surpassing the teacher therefore each succeeding generation is declining this is also happening with morals. :rip:I think i am the only computer programmer at my work that actually KNOWS binary.. its sad.
 

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Simple.

The student is no longer surpassing the teacher therefore each succeeding generation is declining this is also happening with morals. :rip:I think i am the only computer programmer at my work that actually KNOWS binary.. its sad.

[citation needed]
 

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I want to just live in a world where I can do what I like and get paid for it.

He is an INTP, and he is extremely intelligent but has no motivation, and sometimes we fight about that, because he ignores what he should not ignore.

These two statements stood out to me, the first for it's unbelievable ignorance, and the second for its incredible hypocrisy.

Also, I would like to point out that you seem extraordinarily cocky and self-centered, and I don't mean that in the sense of being introverted.

The next time you want to masturbate your enormous ego and preach about your personal, irrational, hypocritical ideals, do not disguise it as an analysis of societal decay and dilute what was previously a somewhat intelligent discussion.

Please, thank you, and have a nice day.
 
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