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There are times in almost every INTP life when you can either disappear by schmoozing and socializing, or stand out by standing alone in a deliberately organized crowd and say nothing. If you want to stop standing there and having people ask you "what's wrong?" because you aren't doing the thing that most other humans do when there's a party, an office celebration, anything where a crowd is involved and you HAVE to be there, here's a plan. Bear with me, because it works. Keep in mind that every time you get an answer, you listen carefully and pick the topic that seems to elicit the most complicated or heartfelt response. Then just stay with it.

Pick anyone.
Walk over, stick out your hand, and say "Hi. I'm Bill" (or whatever your name is :D) "and your name is?" They can hardly refuse to say, can they?

You get an answer. You repeat it. "Jim? OK, Jim." Two times, say it, you might remember it later.

Then a choice. "So, Jim, where do you live?" or "So, Jim, where are you from?" "Where do you live?" is a relatively pointless question if you're at a social event at a university. And where people are from offers an opportunity for questions like "why did you move?" or whatever.

Then bounce off that. "Does the rest of your family enjoy living there?"

Then "What kind of work do you do?"

And then "What do you do when you're not working?"


If you run through that list - name, home, family, job, pastimes - and don't get a spark, don't worry: You've probably met another INTP, which is fine. Now the two of you can stand there and pretend, with great relief, to be doing what everyone else is glad to do, schmooze.

However, usually you get some sign of animation with one question. Then just keep asking questions on whatever set it off. After the person winds down, tell them "Jim, I'm glad I walked over to talk to you," shake hands, and go on to the next person.

Sounds dreadful, but actually many people welcome anyone who will take the burden of conversation initiation off of them, and often people expect this kind of interaction whenever there are strangers in an assembled crowd. It's apparently "normal." I'm taking an extrovert's word for it, of course.

The trick is to let them talk about themselves and their interests. You can go through the whole thing without having to answer any questions about yourself, and at the end of it the person you've talked to will think you're wonderful.

The byproduct is that somewhere in the process, you may find out something interesting, rather than mundane. Then you've got something to think about. You've charged your own batteries, just not in the usual way.

I'm not advocating doing this for the sake of doing it. I'm offering it up -- learned painfully at my weekend seminar for my new occupation -- for the occasional INTP who worries about social ineptitude when forced into a situation that almost demands interaction. This formula will get you through the night.

Name, home, family, job, pastimes.
 

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Yup

Actually I find it a lot easier to do with people I've never met, because if it's someone who I already know then there has to be a "reason" that I picked them.
 

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I just think that I will be rejected. An overwhelming fear.
 

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Nope. Most people are brought up to be polite. If someone came over to you and calmly introduced themselves and asked you for your name, would you tell them to bugger off?

And if you did find the one in 500 who would tell you to bugger off, so what? That makes them: An Asshat. Go on to the next person.

Oddly enough (oddly for us, I guess) most people are looking for a reason to like you. By letting them talk about themselves, you have given them that reason.

Don't think about it: It has to do with emotions. Just take it as one of those things you'll never get, but which is nevertheless true despite your inability to grasp it. Like "red" to a blind person. They're taking it on faith that red exists. You have to do the same with this.
 

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Never understood the pain of being rejected, but publicly associating myself with something very genuine doesn't feel right on some level, I guess. That and I usually haven't known what to "be." Maybe an abstract view of personalities. Don't be rejected by yourself from step 1
 

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If the other human makes eye contact with you and smiles, it should be okay to approach it.
 

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Nope. Most people are brought up to be polite. If someone came over to you and calmly introduced themselves and asked you for your name, would you tell them to bugger off?

And if you did find the one in 500 who would tell you to bugger off, so what? That makes them: An Asshat. Go on to the next person.

Oddly enough (oddly for us, I guess) most people are looking for a reason to like you. By letting them talk about themselves, you have given them that reason.

Don't think about it: It has to do with emotions. Just take it as one of those things you'll never get, but which is nevertheless true despite your inability to grasp it. Like "red" to a blind person. They're taking it on faith that red exists. You have to do the same with this.

This is truth.

A good way to learn all this is to work some kind of regular job - like a corporate job. You get lots of practice, then it's easy as breathing and you can toss it off.
 

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I'm really bad at this. It's hard for me to pretend to care about other people. Today, I tried, though. A coworker asked me what I was going to do with rest of my day after work, and after giving some bullshit reply I asked him the same question back. Yeeeahhh.
 

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I find there's this irrational fear I have of asking the wrong questions.
 

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You get an answer. You repeat it. "Jim? OK, Jim." Two times, say it, you might remember it later.

A quick comment on this part, then I will read the rest of the topic past that (that was as far as I got and I don't want to forget).

Forgive me if this has been addressed already, as I only read that far and this popped in my head, and, like I said, I don't want to forget when the rest of the topic gets more interesting as I read.


I read once a while back that a good way to remember names, if you are one who forgets them, is to wait until a few minutes, five or so, into the conversation to inquire. Or if you already have, to go back and check again "You said your name was Jim, right?" or "Oh, what was your name again? I'm sorry I'm not recalling suddenly?" It is easier for your brain to keep track of a persons name and be able to recall it in the future if you have at least a minimal framework to go off of, an impression that has been formed aside from just a visual appearance. I have found that it really works quite well, compared to initially inquiring and then not touching on what their name is again. Also, it is the perfect time to give them a reminder of your own name, in case they forgot.

Okay. That was all.

Reading the rest now.
 

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:storks: Wait a minute. :confused:

I think I may have encountered more other possible INTP's than I realise.

Reading over this I recall quite a few times over the course of my history when i was in some situation just sort of doing the observe and try not to be awkward while not contributing thing and another person did the approach and introduce and follow what you have spelled out like a script thing.

Seeming overly serious, and intense and intent with their questions until I am doing my best to come up with answers that are neither too short or too long and wondering why they are so interested in me but not acting flippant or gossipy or divulging of themselves at all as most other people are.

I remember one time in particular several years ago as the serious questioner was going at me having it occur in my mind that I like their method and I started taking mental notes on question asking to use in the future to not be so awkward when there is a crowd or group of people that I am expected to integrate with. And it has worked! Amusing now to think she may have been an INTP following similar advice on how to socialize and she ended up talking with me, a supposed INTP, unaware that I turned her into an object to study and answered her questions not because I appreciated being asked but as an experiment in how it works and have henceforth used that (this) method (along with others my extraverty feely friends have shown me).
 

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"what you have spelled out like a script thing"


It is a script thing. :D WE can deploy it defensively in order to blend in. Extroverts tend to use it aggressively, to meet as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. That's where they get their energy, from interaction. They sometimes refer to this technique, or any other that gets them into play with a lot of people one-on-one, as "working the room."

While it sounds contrived to our INTP minds, it is accepted as both normal and unobtrusive by most others. And it need not be seen as insincere on our part if the question-asking process is regarded as merely a tool to get to something that really is interesting that we might enjoy talking about with the person we're questioning.

Perhaps the best takeaway from this is to just remember that if someone starts asking you questions, anytime, anywhere, and it makes you uncomfortable, take the initiative away from them and get them out of your head by asking questions that put them back in their own. Oddly enough they'll appreciate it.
 

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I have been told many variations upon 'Damn, I just told you my entire life story and I don't know a single thing about you.'


That's usually when the 'conversation' hits a brick wall. :phear:
 

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"what you have spelled out like a script thing"


It is a script thing. :D WE can deploy it defensively in order to blend in. Extroverts tend to use it aggressively, to meet as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. That's where they get their energy, from interaction. They sometimes refer to this technique, or any other that gets them into play with a lot of people one-on-one, as "working the room."

I've heard that "working the room" from one of my extraverted friends many times. She uses that phrase quite a bit when talking about what gives her energy.
 

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I do this but unless the other question is good at steering the conversation or asking questions, it starts to sound like an interview followed by awkward pauses and silences :rip:
 

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I do this but unless the other question is good at steering the conversation or asking questions, it starts to sound like an interview followed by awkward pauses and silences :rip:


Like, we're not feeling awkward anyway? :D
 

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Like, we're not feeling awkward anyway? :D

If a conversation is flowing, I don't feel awkward, in fact, dare I say, I even enjoy it regardless of what it is that's being talked about.
 

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Yeah ^

It is the getting started thing that is awkward. Though I think, personally, I've learned to mask any awkwardness. I've never been shy (which I think is a completely different thing than introverted), but when I was young, a child and adolescent, I was very good at just blurting out anything I was thinking, whether that be a question or statement. Tactless, and unaware that I was being so.

Being informed of the inappropriateness of the sorts of things I would just say before, often only inappropriate because of the setting being one a person should be being polite in, being informed over and over and over through the years helped me to figure out how to not do so as much, but also switched the awkwardness from others to myself- before it was the other that felt awkward, now I'm awkward while trying to both censor myself and converse at the same time.

It isn't that bad though, it isn't any sort of debilitating. Honestly, I don't mind silence and don't see why it must always be filled. Also, the quieter you are the more people listen and pay attention when you do speak up.

One thing that helps to not feel awkward is not actually caring whether you make friends with any of the people around.

If I've had some drinks I get all extraverted and cheerful and talk talk talk to anyone about anything stupid or grand.
 

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At times I find it easier to simply respond with a clear and concise "nothing" and leave it at that,
 

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I'm polite enough to feign a smile and acknowledge their existence with a nod of the head, but if they drag out the conversation, I instantly withdraw.
 
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