When nobody knows what you're talking about...

[computerhxr]

This happens to me frequently, but at this point people think that I'm just trolling when I am not. It is just abstract and I don't know how to communicate ideas effectively. Is this common among intuitive types?

The most recent occurrence was discussing math with people, and people were complaining how they don't really see a point in learning it. Now, I don't think that I am particularly good at math, but when I was attempting to reply, my phone died.

I go to plug my phone in, and it has a warning that it can't charge because it is wet or damp. Usually when this happens it takes a while before I can charge it (maybe an hour or two).

Since math was fresh on my mind, and I was eager to reply and contribute to the conversation, I decided to just use it to solve my problem. My phone has a metal ring that goes around the edge, and the charging port is directly center at the bottom of the unit. Unplugging and plugging it back in show the same message, that it has moisture and it can't charge. So I think, okay, since there is a metal frame, I can press my thumb on one side and index finger on the other side about 1/4th of the way up to "math" the problem. The instant that I do that, it starts charging again.

To me, it seems like a logical solution. I have an INTJ friend whom I described this to, and they understood it immediately and why it solved the problem. I realize that I can not explain it to someone, all of the functions that are required to make this assessment, but it is simple and you can do it in your head.

Anyways, this sort of thing happens a lot... I know that I could write the formula in a spread sheet, but even then I don't think it is something that will make sense to other people...

Is this something that is common with INTPs? Has anyone figured out a way to handle this miscommunication? What would you do?

 

[computerhxr]

This is roughly what I was trying to do...

 

[ZenRaiden]

They don't care to listen, they might not be that interested to think about what you have to say,

they may even understand you, but just don't care...

and of course they might have misunderstood what you were talking about.

Most people don't realize that most people have several things on mind during the day.

If you introduce a new topic for them that they might not even know what is about even if they interested you cannot possible expect them to understand what you are saying right away.

Not unless its something simple, but not everyone routinely talks about things like plugs etc.

So anyway you might be right the way you talk is different, or maybe you just have a habit of talking to the wrong people in the first place.

 

[sushi]

sensors especially strong ones dont give a fuck about what you say.

either they dont understand or they dont care.,

internet is a better medium.

if you are talking about what you read, this is even worse, because more than 50% of people dont read, or just read fiction.

if you keep talking about what are interested in and they show lack of interest, you might get labelled as an aspie. its better not trend in that territory. They might show interest and comment for 10 min, then quickly switch to another topic.

if you want to socialize with plebs, better start with simple nonscience relaed topics like movies vacation etc. Dont talk about things like The brief history of time. unless you are trying to troll them.

 

[Cognisant]

So I think, okay, since there is a metal frame, I can press my thumb on one side and index finger on the other side about 1/4th of the way up to "math" the problem.

Don't call it that.

Your phone has some kind of electrical short that's fixed by squeezing it the right way, just because you figured out how to make it work and solving a math problem involves figuring it out doesn't mean you're doing math when you squeeze your phone.

Nobody knows what you're talking about because you're either too lazy, too uneducated or simply too stupid to articulate yourself properly.

Is this something that is common with INTPs? Has anyone figured out a way to handle this miscommunication? What would you do?

I read a thesaurus and expanded my vocabulary.

 

[computerhxr]

They don't care to listen, they might not be that interested to think about what you have to say,

they may even understand you, but just don't care...

and of course they might have misunderstood what you were talking about.

Most people don't realize that most people have several things on mind during the day.

If you introduce a new topic for them that they might not even know what is about even if they interested you cannot possible expect them to understand what you are saying right away.

Not unless its something simple, but not everyone routinely talks about things like plugs etc.

So anyway you might be right the way you talk is different, or maybe you just have a habit of talking to the wrong people in the first place.

Good points, thank you. I don't really know where to find the "right people" but maybe I just should avoid talking about topics that interest me. Maybe also stop listening to people talk about things that I am not interested in unless they reciprocate.

 

[computerhxr]

sensors especially strong ones dont give a fuck about what you say.

either they dont understand or they dont care.,

internet is a better medium.

if you are talking about what you read, this is even worse, because more than 50% of people dont read, or just read fiction.

if you keep talking about what are interested in and they show lack of interest, you might get labelled as an aspie. its better not trend in that territory. They might show interest and comment for 10 min, then quickly switch to another topic.

if you want to socialize with plebs, better start with simple nonscience relaed topics like movies vacation etc. Dont talk about things like The brief history of time. unless you are trying to troll them.

Haha, thanks! Actually, zero people think that I could have Asperger's which I guess is a good thing, but also I feel like I would fit in with them.

 

[computerhxr]

So I think, okay, since there is a metal frame, I can press my thumb on one side and index finger on the other side about 1/4th of the way up to "math" the problem.

Don't call it that.

Your phone has some kind of electrical short that's fixed by squeezing it the right way, just because you figured out how to make it work and solving a math problem involves figuring it out doesn't mean you're doing math when you squeeze your phone.

Nobody knows what you're talking about because you're either too lazy, too uneducated or simply too stupid to articulate yourself properly.

Is this something that is common with INTPs? Has anyone figured out a way to handle this miscommunication? What would you do?

I read a thesaurus and expanded my vocabulary.

Thanks, but I don't think that vocabulary is the issue.

I will try articulating it better, but most of the time it feels like I'm putting effort into something that will fall on deaf ears, so it isn't worth the extra effort.

My effort:

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The phone is a Samsung with a moisture sensor in the charging port. The sensor works (I assume) by measuring resistance in the electrical current (moisture being more conductive than air). The metal ring can produce produce an electromotive force through the laws of induction. Given the central placement of the charging port, you can calculate the placement of conductive materials to alter the magnetic field so that the cross sections intersect, directing changes in magnetic flux towards the targeted sensor. The increase in resistance has to be greater than the conductivity of water, which acts as a toggle switch once a critical mass is reached. The human body is naturally within the range required, without going over, to leverage EMF that would result in a reading comparable to a dry port.

The "math" is two measurements of force, the attitudes of those forces, and the triangulation of magnetic field lines to forge inductive pathways.

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Is that articulate enough for someone to understand? Is that not math?

 

[Black Rose]

Is that articulate enough for someone to understand? Is that not math?

electrical engineering?

but if you did math in your head to solve a problem.

knowing about tech problems requires certain expertise / skills.

I did not know phone outlets had moister sensors.

I try using math but I find it dwindled.

 

[ZenRaiden]

They don't care to listen, they might not be that interested to think about what you have to say,

they may even understand you, but just don't care...

and of course they might have misunderstood what you were talking about.

Most people don't realize that most people have several things on mind during the day.

If you introduce a new topic for them that they might not even know what is about even if they interested you cannot possible expect them to understand what you are saying right away.

Not unless its something simple, but not everyone routinely talks about things like plugs etc.

So anyway you might be right the way you talk is different, or maybe you just have a habit of talking to the wrong people in the first place.

Good points, thank you. I don't really know where to find the "right people" but maybe I just should avoid talking about topics that interest me. Maybe also stop listening to people talk about things that I am not interested in unless they reciprocate.

Most people do not need to know much about technology and so they do not know much about technology.

You can only talk about technology to people who know about technology and mostly those who care. However even so that does not mean they necessarily care to talk to about technology.

You can like steak, and know how to cook steak and not want to talk about it.

Back in the old days there were only few things people could be interested in.
Even more importantly the few things required you to learn and have books.

If I were interested in some specific technology today I could type in something in google and provided that its not something rare I could basically have 100s of pages for specific technology.

So realistically people have just too much information already.
How interested in particular topic is someone also depends what problems people have.

So personally I think the best way to interact with people is to talk about tech problems when they bring them up and if they do you can explain it to them.
Otherwise just look for tech nerds online or offline.

Its the same with any topic really. There are so many movies today that even that topic is kind of awkward.
You can watch 10 movies in row and no one else is watching those.
Back in the old days there was one big hit movie that everyone watched and usually liked. Today you have so many of those that everyone likes the other movie and anyone people have watch so many movies today that talking about them is so boring.

Just to show you examples the best way to talk is about things that interest people.

I personally don't know what interest people and I think most people are simply interested in things that I do not care about.

Vice versa even if they are interested in what I am interested in it very well maybe that they know much more or much less and thus it would be a boring conversation.
EIther I would end up sounding too clever or patronizing trying to explain basics to them or they would have to lecture me on 2+2=4 which I could probably figure out on my own anyway.

So its not just issue of topic, but level of expertise and mutual ideas and problems.

However more openminded people will find it easier to teach each other and be more open to novel ideas.

Then there is the whole is anyone up for an interesting debate or is it just social stuff and fun stuff.

 

[computerhxr]

Is that articulate enough for someone to understand? Is that not math?

electrical engineering?

but if you did math in your head to solve a problem.

knowing about tech problems requires certain expertise / skills.

I did not know phone outlets had moister sensors.

I try using math but I find it dwindled.

I'm not an electrical engineer, I just wanted to charge my phone. That's probably why it is so difficult to explain, because I actually just use circles to do math. It works, I use it to solve a lot of problems. Trying to explain it in scientific terms and still nobody seems to understand.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Is that articulate enough for someone to understand? Is that not math?

electrical engineering?

but if you did math in your head to solve a problem.

knowing about tech problems requires certain expertise / skills.

I did not know phone outlets had moister sensors.

I try using math but I find it dwindled.

I'm not an electrical engineer, I just wanted to charge my phone. That's probably why it is so difficult to explain, because I actually just use circles to do math. It works, I use it to solve a lot of problems. Trying to explain it in scientific terms and still nobody seems to understand.

It does not matter. What matters is the conversations that do work. The ones that do not are the ones that inform you what you have different. Keep that in back of your mind, but don't repeat the mistake or else you get the same result.

I can think of 100 ways that I am identical to everyone else, in thinking and body.

Yet when I talk its like I am talking to someone else.

I cannot remember a single human who comes close my way of talking or using language.

SO obviously you assume that is personal difference.
Its just what is called individuality.
Well I was satisfied with that explanation for a long time.

Then at some point I realized that most of what I say is to other people like as if I was walking on clouds.

Everyone has some sort of interpretation, but each one is wrong. One more wrong than the other.

People seem to be unable to grasp the meaning behind what I say despite my best effort.

I don't know what this is. ......
however best thing you can do is talk in ways that work and avoid talking in ways that do not.