What would happen if we merged INTJ and INTP forum?

[Nihilmatic]

I'm pretty sure the extremely valuable insights from each of us would be enriching. Just a rational forum (NTs) doesn't sound too bad either.

 

[Seteleechete]

Just make an account in the other forum instead?(I saw several INTPs on INTJforum)

 

[Nihilmatic]

I got banned

 

[StevenM]

A universal shockwave would explode tremendously through the cosmos, rendering all intelligent life in a dazed distorted awe as they witness all space and matter bend and transform to our will.

Actually, this forum has a good mix of people who exhibit the traits of both types already.

If more INTJ's were to enter, then the INTP type will be outcasted as the useless, pretentious, redundant type that no one ever would want to be. INTP's will pretend to be INTJ's.

INFP's will then gain a status of popularity and desirability.

 

[Jennywocky]

I got banned

Good times, good times...

Edit:

Nihilmatic, you'll never be one of them...

 

[8151147]

I got banned

For curiosity, why you got banned?

 

[Rook]

Boredom followed by bloodshed.

 

[dark+matters]

I don't know that large groups of INTPs and INTJs mix very well a lot of the time, although they may be fine on an individual level... an internet group trying to attract and serve the needs of both seems to be like having an aquarium and mixing fish that may seem similar but actually have drastically different requirements and behaviors. You have to keep tweaking the system to fit the needs of both animals and one or the other is likely to suffer. Our lead functions are each in the others' "critical parent" slot according to this website:

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16Types/16Types.cfm

...and I think that reality bears this theory out a lot of the time as well. I often get really offended by the immature INTJs (and often-times, I am pretty sure they didn't intend to be offensive, which feels even weirder, because it's like getting offended at a toaster that burnt me), and many of the more mature INTJs naturally relate more to the immature INTJs' personalities than mine. When I'm picking apart an idea or posing a question, a lot of INTJ types as strangers on the internet clearly seem to want to pee their pants for reasons that are usually beyond me unless I rationalize it with this idea of the cognitive functions.

I read an article on Caltech's website about "one-shot learning." I have to wonder if that isn't related to the "J" side of our brains. It's very contrary to the way I learn things as someone with a P-preference. I generally make snap, paper-thin judgments and suspend a more concrete judgment for an extremely long time. Then once I've come to a judgment, I like to deliberately break it down and mix it up. It takes some effort for me to empathize with a very, very different way of viewing the world and that effort may or may not be returned, so it's not worth my time with a stranger on the internet.

Also, INTJs come in some dramatically different flavors, and those flavors really make a huge difference in the quality of interaction with that individual. This is true of all different kinds of people, but it really stands out to me in the case of INTJs. You might get one that's professional and friendly with clearly defined ethics and personal values who is willing to communicate those ideas with the people around them, you might get one that's really young and hasn't understood the importance of his or her Fi in terms of allowing him or her to function well among others, you might get some that are really argumentative about odd beliefs, you might get mistypes or people of other personalities who are poseurs, or you might get a random drunk person or a person with schizophrenia who is in the middle of an episode. It's the internet- you never know how healthy the person on the other end is. I never doubt that the person I could be interacting with could be one of the homeless people I see at the library.

But in any case, one-shot judging combined with that Fi is not always fun for me to deal with if it isn't done alongside a very solidly-built framework for how to play nice with the other kids on the playground, and INTJs being so quiet about their personal values, I often don't ever get to see what those personal values are. I'm having problems with this with a suspected young INTJ that I encounter on a regular basis. He's a very nice, bright young man under the stoic exterior, but I can tell that he gets carried away with his feelings sometimes and isn't aware of this fact. It's not like an INFP male who may also seem stoic at times, but is clearly very aware of personal feelings and accepts them and shares them if you get into his inner world. With this kid and some other INTJs, there seems to be this bat-to-the-back-of-the-head thing going on with personal feelings and values, and I'm not always certain about the best way to handle it. Bringing it up? That is usually a very bad idea since I will be under stress and therefore default to Ti, which is in the critical parent slot of this individual. I can switch to Fi, I think, but it's not easy for me under stress, or if I do switch to it, it's going to be a pointlessly angry Fi. Not bringing it up? May or may not be a bad idea. I can ignore it with very little difficulty in-person since it seems so unconscious and personal, but it annoys me in the long run.

So my own personal decision was to remain contented with the INTJ relationships I have with specific individuals in the real world, not join a forum about "INTJness." Typology aside, strangers on the internet set me a little on edge. If it's someone I met in person, we can see each other, we have a better idea of what the other's intentions are, there are real-life consequences to communication styles that don't work across types, etc.

As far as the extroverted rationals go, I'm not so sure that they are on the internet as regularly. I don't see them being as comfortable with this form of communication. I'd think it would be nice for them once and a while, but perhaps a bit distracting from tasks they enjoy instead of being a pleasant break in the day like it is for me. It might be beneficial for the rationals to get together in meetups and stuff, but they don't seem as interested as the NFs.

So personally, I don't enjoy forums or public internet groups per se. Even career or hobby related forums attract super rude people behaving in ways they'd get alienated for in real life. I don't think I am interested in participating in a merged INTP-INTJ forum (it isn't like anyone of any type can't come here, including plenty of INTJs). But I'm not interested in a lot of the other INTP groups either. Here, with a couple rare exceptions, people don't run around acting like sociopaths, they don't have beliefs and values that are extremely alien to me (even if I don't agree, I can understand), and about 65-80% of the time, some connections are made and insights are gained and shared in a helpful versus a polarizing manner.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

First there will be silence, then vague threats of violence
and
then...
With the growing tension and signs of impending doom...birds will start migrating north and u will hear beluga whales shrieking at night

 

[del]

I'd hate to lose INTJ forum. It is what I read to put me to sleep every night.

 

[Nihilmatic]

For curiosity, why you got banned?

because I was 2sexy2handle for them.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I'd hate to lose INTJ forum. It is what I read to put me to sleep every night.

can you describe how it achieves this effect on you? it will make my stomach happy i think.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

The bannings would reign.

 

[The Gopher]

The bannings would reign.

The trick is to not let the INTJ's moderate and delete every thread regarding moderation. This will lead to frustration and agony for the INTJ's and the ones that aren't cool will leave.

 

[Architect]

I don't know that large groups of INTPs and INTJs mix very well a lot of the time, although they may be fine on an individual level ...

I agree with [MENTION]dark+matters[/MENTION]dark+matters here and add that I've noticed INTP-INTJ discussions don't go well particularly over the internet. We like to speculate, but they'll often drive hard on a discussion, drawing a conclusion quickly and pissing us off. But our nature irritates them too. Best the two not mix in such a way.

Now a NF-INTP forum, particularly INFJ-INTP would be sex on the 'net.

 

[Sinny91]

Just spent the day lurking at an INTJ forum.
They are a more productive, but less creative.

 

[Yellow]

Now a NF-INTP forum, particularly INFJ-INTP would be sex on the 'net.

Oh, please no.

INFJs are okay in small doses, but not all the time. They think they're always right, and they short-circuit when corrected. Also, we'd mostly get the broken ones, and broken INFJs normally require a lot of coddling. We already have plenty of INFPs showing up, claiming to be INTPs, and then losing their minds over every little thing (thankfully, they usually leave quickly). ENFPs are draining in large numbers, and an ENFJ would overwhelm us faster than an ENTJ with a mission statement.

I'd suggest ENTPs, but we already have a healthy smattering of them. I'd also suggest ISTPs, but we seem to bore each other.

 

[Pyropyro]

Now a NF-INTP forum, particularly INFJ-INTP would be sex on the 'net.

*INFP-INTP - fixed that for you Archie.

 

[8151147]

I agree with [MENTION]dark+matters[/MENTION]dark+matters here and add that I've noticed INTP-INTJ discussions don't go well particularly over the internet. We like to speculate, but they'll often drive hard on a discussion, drawing a conclusion quickly and pissing us off. But our nature irritates them too. Best the two not mix in such a way.

I'm pretty fine with INTJs tho. Maybe I'm either not an INTP, or I'm an INTP who good at seeing through the problem and don't like to play around.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I stick around INTJ forum more because the webpage looks a little nicer. This webpage is black and not so uniform. And with all honesty this forum has also a lot more younger people judging just by the quality of posts. It seems INTPs like to write walls of useless text as well. That kind of gets tiring after a while. Even if I have hour to spend I have to read everyones long post just to be in picture and know what the hell are people talking about and its not that fun when someone writes a page of text where infact they could have just take the time to write a short post to the point. Not complaining, but I just dont want to waste so much time on everyone. Its just not that practical.

On the other hand I got used to INTJ forum and just skip the people I know that dont add much to the discussion and just read the ones that make a point.

 

[8151147]

It seems INTPs like to write walls of useless text as well. That kind of gets tiring after a while. Even if I have hour to spend I have to read everyones long post just to be in picture and know what the hell are people talking about and its not that fun when someone writes a page of text where infact they could have just take the time to write a short post to the point. w that dont add much to the discussion and just read the ones that make a point.

This. couldn't agree more

 

[Oddity]

I'm pretty sure the extremely valuable insights from each of us would be enriching.

I see that you haven't read many interactions between the two types on internet forums. It wouldn't work out for anyone.

Honestly, I'm not sure if sticking NTPs and NTJs in the same "temperament" (Keirsey's) just because we have the NT in common is a good idea. I get along with and can often communicate better with ISTPs than with NTJs. I think having four temperaments based on the last 2 letters only (TP, FJ, FP, TJ) might make more sense in some ways.

But in any case, one-shot judging combined with that Fi is not always fun for me to deal with if it isn't done alongside a very solidly-built framework for how to play nice with the other kids on the playground

They generally have no interest in "playing nice" since not acting like a piece of shit (on the Internet, at least) will not give them any hard businessman results or anything, and they don't have Fe so they don't give a shit how anyone else feels about anything.

If more INTJ's were to enter, then the INTP type will be outcasted as the useless, pretentious, redundant type that no one ever would want to be.

Ah, the irony...

 

[Pizzabeak]

Enticing events will occur

 

[Haim]

This will happen.

Will end up in a cold war from planet INTP to planet 066886x.
The intp will steal heat from 066886x.

 

[Grayman]

I agree with [MENTION]dark+matters[/MENTION]dark+matters here and add that I've noticed INTP-INTJ discussions don't go well particularly over the internet. We like to speculate, but they'll often drive hard on a discussion, drawing a conclusion quickly and pissing us off. But our nature irritates them too. Best the two not mix in such a way.

Now a NF-INTP forum, particularly INFJ-INTP would be sex on the 'net.

I think your wife is a special case. I've seen a number of INFJ's decapitate INTPs on the INTP forum because of a lack of understanding of the cold harded objectivism we bring. We are heartless bastards and also suffer from immaturity.. 'you know?'. Then again, there might be a lot of secret ISFJ on that forum...? As adults though, I think the INFJ and INTP meet together in the middle. As youngins we are suffering from having our inferior and dominant functions in direct opposition. I think our inferior starts to get a more mature at 25 to 30.

 

[ENTP lurker]

I imagine how you would fare with ENFJs. It would exciting at first but then they would start to seek some Se from you guys while you probably are disgusted and oblivious to it.

Anyways it would be cute to hang out with ESFJs online (I wish their online presence) that would be constant Ne-Fe bombardment with very little sense of... you know...

 

[Brontosaurie]

I imagine how you would fare with ENFJs. It would exciting at first but then they would start to seek some Se from you guys while you probably are disgusted and oblivious to it.

Anyways it would be cute to hang out with ESFJs online (I wish their online presence) that would be constant Ne-Fe bombardment with very little sense of... you know...

i've tried discussing online with plenty ESFJ's. it's horrible. it invariably comes down to my opinion being framed as more of a "just a subjective opinion" simply because theirs has popular back-up and appears like solid fact to them, and therefore i'm a cynical self-indulgent solipsist bastard.

 

[ENTP lurker]

^Are you sure that they weren't ESFPs? Those people are like bad INTJs... They are like socializing determined zombies... No good can come out of that.
Anyways IRL I goof around with ESFJs. Lots of laugh jokes and bizarre ideas

 

[Brontosaurie]

^Are you sure that they weren't ESFPs? Those people are like bad INTJs... They are like socializing determined zombies... No good can come out of that.
Anyways IRL I goof around with ESFJs. Lots of laugh jokes and bizarre ideas

i can tell when someone is inferior Ti:ing or inferior Ni:ing, respectively. the ESFP's are annoying, but in another way. it's less conceited, dishonest appeals to whatever baseless crap the majority happens to think, and more of the personal grandiosity and sheer stupidity characteristic of poor Ni.

the opinions themselves tend to be boring and unsophisticated cannonfodder to an equal extent among ESFJ's and ESFP's, but the defense mechanisms differ. typical ESFP backpedalling consists in brushing poor argumentation off as a clever joke in some bigger intangible context that the opponent should be ashamed for missing. the argument itself - actually the sole purpose of interaction in these cases - is reduced to some trivial detail and into focus comes whatever "statement" the ESFP fancies itself as the vessel for. it's hard to explain cogently, but i'm quite sure the ESFP in this case has a strong feeling of significance and of delivering some critical, inconvenient truth through meta-verbal performative symbolism.

ESFJ's can be good company but they'll never be as serious about their silliness as an NTP. they always fall back on the worship of routine and institutions. their wit and openness is highly conditional. it happens only when the rigid core protocol allows it. they don't give in to it. they don't plunge. but they know very well how to reap the benefits of being seen as a laid-back, receptive person - fooling even NTP's at times. INTP's on the other hand are very seldom seen as laid-back cause we're too laid-back to adapt to the audience in projecting laid-backness. the idea of using Ne as a tool rather than a guiding light seems quite repulsive.

now i wonder how the fuck i'm even perceived at all probably an ISTJ/INFP mix at first glance. which, in the relevant type-naive terms, translates to something like timid-dry-thorough/drifting-dreamer.

 

[Reluctantly]

Please don't do it. Everything would be a lot less comprehensive, to the point, and just plain boring to think about and partake. Basically, INTJs tend to limit discussions.

 

[Vion]

I would rather have a unified forum for Perceivers as they have far more worth while contributions. So long as INTJ play the fool getting into petty arguments with ESFP I am not interested. And in merging the forums you would inherit all of their emotional baggage as well with other types joining like that other dominant Ni type INFJ.

 

[dark+matters]

An INFJ-INTP forum could be interesting... I very much enjoy the company of the INFJs I've met. I don't even mind the flamboyant hatred. It's extremely interesting and self-correcting most of the time. But it would be a much better in-person group. I don't know about the other NFs though. I think the ENFPs might think they could read us when they can't and hijinks and paranoia would ensue. The ENFJs would have us feeling manipulated due to our aspirational Fe and have a percentage of us paranoid. The INFPs would get extremely upset about too much Ti style communication that isn't eloquent enough for a broad audience. But INFJ-INTP might have a good success rate. They've got Ti and Fe pretty high in their stacks, and once we get over the Ni conspiracy theorizing, it's pretty smooth sailing while staying interesting.

 

[Vurern]

Good times, good times...

Edit:

Nihilmatic, you'll never be one of them...

lolol the pic

 

[marie]

I have account there on INTJ forum, so far I've enjoyed my experience there. Though I did have conflicts with some INTJs.

 

[Vurern]

I have account there on INTJ forum, so far I've enjoyed my experience there. Though I did have conflicts with some INTJ.

Curious to find out what kind of conflicts arose..hm

 

[PmjPmj]

It has already been touched upon here, but yeah - INTJs are more about bottom-lining. I quite often get told I'm being rude for saying things like "Get to the point" or "Skip to the end". It is my experience that INTPs far more enjoy the process of exploring an idea; an INTJ wants to look at the facts, make a decision and move on. Thus, overly convoluted walls of text are not preferable. The same can be said of real life - if someone is rambling on and skirting around the point, I'll call them out on it. I can, unfortunately, be very impatient about such things.

That being said, it isn't that (I personally - can't speak for others) don't enjoy how ridiculously smart you ladies and gents are. I certainly respect the mind of a well developed INTP.

Also, never assume our minds are closed. Ni dominance = "Oh my god, it's full of stars".

 

[marie]

Curious to find out what kind of conflicts arose..hm

It has already been touched upon here, but yeah - INTJs are more about bottom-lining. I quite often get told I'm being rude for saying things like "Get to the point" or "Skip to the end". It is my experience that INTPs far more enjoy the process of exploring an idea; an INTJ wants to look at the facts, make a decision and move on.

Like PmjPmj said, INTJs likes to get to the bottom line and get to the point. And we INTPs likes to explore the idea. For example I had a private convo with an INTJ, We were talking about if intelligence is hereditary or acquired, nature vs nurtue. The INTJ just said you need to read a lot of stuff about psychology. Then we're talking about college degree. My parents forced me to take a course, I didn't like. I'm still not sure what I want, then he just said suck it up. We were talking about ideas then suggested me to do something likes this and that. He suggest I should only stick to one idea or topic. But I can't do that if I stick to that particular subject it would feels like I'm betraying my self. So after that our convo ended.

 

[PmjPmj]

Pretty shitty conduct, there. At the very least I would have referred you to sites which offer insight into various degrees and / or careers. Personally, I have found a site called sokanu.com to be quite revealing.

 

[dark+matters]

I see a lot of you people on INTJ forum!

I wonder what would happen if we merged this forum and INFP forum together though...

 

[Sinny91]

All that feeling mingled with INTP nihilism, we'd all be suicidal.

 

[marie]

I see a lot of you people on INTJ forum!

I wonder what would happen if we merged this forum and INFP forum together though...

A merged INFP-INTP forum sounds interesting. I tend to get along with INFPs both in real life and online.

 

[J-man]

Just the four letter combination of INTJ is triggering.

INFPs and INFJs are generally cool.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

I wonder what would happen if we merged this forum and INFP forum together though...

I would definitely frequent an infp/intp merge forum...i really love infps <3

 

[Brontosaurie]

we should have a cult instead of a forums

 

[Sinny91]

I thought this was a cult??