What would be the worst Evil person's type?

[Scourgexlvii]

One thing I wondered is, not what the worst type is, but in the most evil person's mind, what would the most evil malicious type be. I would have to say something J, as J is more closed minded, and structure bound, which is, more often than not, what is associated with evil dictators. I'd also have to say T, as they wouldn't have enough emotional response to prevent themselves from enacting their malevolence. E would likely be another one, as they would need Extroverted thinking, in order to really enact malevolence on a scale of super-evil.

I'd have to guess from that, an ExTJ, what do you think?

 

[GarmGarf]

ENTJ

Spoiler

ENTJ: The Evil Overlord

The ENTJ is best characterized by his charisma, his ability to grasp complex situations and to think flexibly and creatively, his keen and active intelligence, and his overwhelming desire to crush the world beneath his boot. ENTJs are naturally outgoing and love the company of other people, particulalry minions, henchmen, slaves, and the others they rule with ruthless efficiency.

ENTJs usually die at the hand of secret government agents in a fiery cataclysm that destroys their entire underground fortress. Often, Evil Overlords will have a secret clone whose implanted memories contain all the knowledge and ambition of the original, stored in cryonic suspension in a safe location. The clone will appear in a sequel.

RECREATION: ENTJs enjoy spending their leisure time in groups, seeking out the company of others with whom they can exchange strategies and ideas, and test their mind control rays. They also enjoy competitive games which challenge them intellectually, such as chess, go, and "tell me where the missiles are or I'll open the pirhana cage and the girl dies."

COMPATIBILITY: Ideal companions include ENTPs, whose inventive natures often most useful; and ESTJs, who make excellent henchmen once the neural realignment is complete. ENTJs often employ the services of ISTJs but don't usually make good romantic partners with them. Under no circumstances should an ENTJ ever date an ENFJ; no good can come of it.

Famous ENTJs include Ming the Merciless, John Bigboote, and Charles Montgomery Burns.

 

[Claverhouse]

How could there be a 'worst' ? Evil, like all things, comes in many forms and each effect is as unpleasant as the next ( although just as with different modes of death, not all equally painful ). Most evil is done for either selfishness or for virtuous reasons anyway...

Unless you mean the Antichrist ( and again, if he is foreordained for that role, how can he be culpable or vicious ? ), or the Devil: both as distinct persons.


I would be sure the Devil is an introvert.



Claverhouse

 

[Adymus]

Curious.

What makes you think an ENTJ is more capable of evil than an INTJ?

 

[Zygomorphic]

This would depend on your definitions and perceptions of what is and is not inherently "evil" in nature. Hitler, for example, is generally considered to be one who performed evil actions, but his intentions were always inherently good - in his own eyes, at least. Thus, one might say that an individual who is merely blinded as to what is truly "good" is not necessarily evil - the individual must be conscious of his or her decisions and perceptions that deviate towards evilness.

I don't think the most evil person in the would be an extrovert, because an extroverting function implies that the person is, in a sense, bound to people, thus giving the individual a very human trait (preference of socialization). Rather then, he or she must be an introverting individual acting in utter self-interest and rejecting others and norms.

INXJs, then, might fulfill such a description.

 

[Adymus]

I don't think the most evil person in the would be an extrovert, because an extroverting function implies that the person is, in a sense, bound to people, thus giving the individual a very human trait (preference of socialization). Rather then, he or she must be an introverting individual acting in utter self-interest and rejecting others and norms.

INXJs, then, might fulfill such a description.

Agreed but for different reasons.

E's begin in the external world. For instance an ENFJ begins in the tribe (Fe) and uses their Ni to improve it's social dynamics. Likewise, an ENTJ begins in the current system (Te) and uses their Ni to Improve it.

An INTJ or INFJ on the other hand starts with their subjective view of how things should be (Ni) and then they use their Te or Fe to deliever a brand new system, or completely change the tribe.

In other words an EJ is less likely to completely change things as dramatically as an IJ would, and the way that they will change things will be based on their own subjective view of how things should be, much like hitler did... Who I am pretty certain was an INFJ.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

I think every type has it's own dark side.

INTPs are the Dr Frankenstein styled creators of abominations against moral sensibility who then philosophize about the misery and suffering they spread without really caring enough to do anything about it, personifying how apathy is actually worse than hate.

 

[echoplex]

Well, ESFPs are some of the most annoying people there are. So annoying that their effect on a young INFJ may be catastrophic. If that INFJ learns to hate people as a result, their Fe will be used to express their hatred of humanity, of which their Ni is quite certain of. Then, their inferior Se will get its revenge by bombing large cities, since it likes to see things go "boom".

Sadly, that young INFJ will never learn that if you really hate humanity, you just start a religion.

That's just one silly scenario though. I think that in terms of overall "evil" effect, the most evil type would be a charismatic introvert. Something about the Ni + Fe combo of the INFJ seems to suggest that. I don't think INTPs or INTJs are typically charismatic enough to get others to do their bidding. You can't destroy the world on your own. Well, you could, but who wants to do all that work? That's what the SJs are for!

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

I believe it would be an INTP. I'm basing this off of my own experience from highschool. I gave a persuasive speech in an English class. My topic of choice; the 14 points of fascism in the American government (specifically under George W Bush). I went up to the podium without a written speech, I believe I was the only one who was lulzy enough to wing it on speaking points and not a fully written speech. I started off very slow, very quietely, and proceeded to become worked up and even started slamming my right hand on the podium. I didn't quite realize I was doing a full on Hitler impression until my teacher started laughing. I ended up going two minutes over the time limit, and failed to bring in a visual aid, which should have ensured my failure. However the grade was based only half on the speech, and half on the opinions of my peers. I got a D because I was almost universally liked by my peers. One of my more historically aware peers commented later on that "God forbid you should ever earn a position of power in society!". But at any rate thats just a story I like to tell. But I also agree with the INFJ idea.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

I didn't quite realize I was doing a full on Hitler impression until my teacher started laughing.

Come to think of it, Hitler was probably an INTP.
(is there any research on this?)

Generally we don't have the resolve or charisma to follow our beliefs like he did, but that "I can change the world" mentality is terrifyingly familiar; it's ironic that we're the type most capable of understanding how one could change the world, yet we're crippled by our fears and a lack of motivation.

 

[Claverhouse]

'They Fuck You Up, Your Mum And Dad.'

Everyone wants to claim the Führer as one of their own...

I've seen claims he was a jew, a bolshevik, a satanist, a Rothschild, a homosexual, a sadist, a madman, a pervert, a christian and anything else one cares to guess at. He was a very busy chap.

However, whatever his genius he was too sensible to try to change the world. He just wanted to change Germany. And his strong self-motivation was far beyond most INTPs' vacillating grasp: very few people could go from tramp to leader of a great power.

Yet --- despite his presently being a measure of badness --- he was almost too banal to be actually evil: merely a heroic tenor play-acting as Spengler haughtily dismissed him. His father, for one, was far more unforgivably wicked in his soul.



Claverhouse

 

[Fukyo]

I think every type has it's own dark side.

I was reading an incomplete copy of "Conscious Orientation" by J.H. van der Hoop on Google Books recently and there was a whole section on psychopathy in relation to the dominant function in an individual.

Psychopathy isn't "evil" in itself, but it's interesting the see the pathological forms of each function.

Meh, it only had this little incomplete(useless) paragraph for Ti.

This just reminds me of how much I want to read that book.

 

[transformers]

Perhaps INFJ's. A hate filled INFJ could probably convince themselves that people deserved to suffer, and that they'd be doing it for the greater good of humanity.

I could see INTP's being able to justify murder also, but their self doubt and laziness would get in the way.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Fukyo, THANK YOU FOR LINKING TO CONSCIOUS ORIENTATION!!!

A totally relevant-to-us paragraph

In the clinical description of the various psychopaths, this type is not often represented, because adjustment is usually sufficiently adequate, and there is no feeling of illness. The term "crank" would appear to be most applicable to them. Certain variations of the type may also be described as heartless or fanatical. Kahn says of the "crank" type that they tie themselves up in a train of thought, and cannot get away from an idea they once get hold of, so that for them the whole of life consists in fanatical fighting and suffering for this idea. Such a description may occasionally equally well apply to one-sided introverted intuitives. When in an introvert thought and intuition are combined, it is not always easy to decide which function predominates. There is, however, a considerable difference between the introverted intuitive, full of his one idea which came to him as a revelation, and the introverted thinking, dominated by systems and principles and endeavoring to find a foundation for the truth he has perceived. Both types may under certain circumstances be found among the "enemies of society". But, as a rule, they are too little interested in society to express any affective reaction against it. It is not possible to regard these people forthwith as egotists or ego-centrics, since their interest is focussed more or less outside themselves in systems and principles. In any clinical description of this type of psychopath, the emphasis will usually fall on their neurotic attitude, which in some way intensifies their pathological characteristics. But even here the neurotic element may in many cases be entirely subsidiary to the one-sidedness of the mental structure.

also Fukyo, I can read all 2.5 pages of the Ti section. Are you missing pages? I could screen-capture it. Though it seems weird for google to randomly decide which pages aren't viewable.

 

[Fukyo]

also Fukyo, I can read all 2.5 pages of the Ti section. Are you missing pages? I could screen-capture it. Though it seems weird for google to randomly decide which pages aren't viewable.

Yeah, the Ti section starts on page 191, and the next is Fe on page 194.

"Pages 192-193 are not part of this book preview"

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Pages 191-193

Spoiler

 

[Carinthian]

I would say ESFP's are the most evil of all types, but thats just from my perspective .

 

[Adymus]

I would say ESFP's are the most evil of all types, but thats just from my perspective .

The worst they could do is maybe a one shot killing spree and/or an Abu Ghraib, but they lack the foresight and competence to do any real damage.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

It depends upon your definition of damage or evil.

Who's to say the psychological damage caused by a malicious ESFP is less damaging than a bomb or bullet, a single idea could spread like a disease and sow chaos & misery for decades, centuries, heck even millennia to come.

It's too much to risk, we should wipe them out now

 

[Döden]

At first I interpreted this as "which type would be the worst at being evil?"
INFPs ^___^

 

[shoeless]

i wanna say INTJ honestly.

definitely not an E. too much dependence on people to be an E. hitler, for example, was definitely an I.

J because they need to have the ability to carry out their plans. NT because they need to be rational, first, and not let their emotions get in the way, and because if they're more innovative then it's less to be expected.

i'm thinking on world-domination/genocidal levels, anyway. plus INTJ's always think they're right. or at least always act like they're right.

so there you go.

 

[Adymus]

i wanna say INTJ honestly.

definitely not an E. too much dependence on people to be an E. hitler, for example, was definitely an I.

J because they need to have the ability to carry out their plans. NT because they need to be rational, first, and not let their emotions get in the way, and because if they're more innovative then it's less to be expected.

i'm thinking on world-domination/genocidal levels, anyway. plus INTJ's always think they're right. or at least always act like they're right.

so there you go.

On the contrary, I'd say letting your Emotions get in the way is exactly what you would need to be evil.

Nobody kills for a cause without having complete convictions for it.

(You referenced Hitler, who I think was undoubtedly an F)

 

[chloé]

People are going to have different definitions of "evil" .. it's hard to pinpoint when you get into the psychology of it.

Anyways .. as for INTP vs. INTJ: The J would be more likely to get away with an evil deed because he would plan it well beforehand. However the P would be more likely to do it in the first place, because he'd be more likely to act on the impulse without considering consequences. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Adymus]

People are going to have different definitions of "evil" .. it's hard to pinpoint when you get into the psychology of it.

Anyways .. as for INTP vs. INTJ: The J would be more likely to get away with an evil deed because he would plan it well beforehand. However the P would be more likely to do it in the first place, because he'd be more likely to act on the impulse without considering consequences. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

You're wrong.


INTP's don't usually act at all. We are more appealed by the plan of committing an evil act rather than committing it.


Not only are J's planners, they are Doers. They need to actually follow through with the act just so it can be their proof of concept that it can be done. Our proof of concept most of the time stops at having a thorough understanding of it.

 

[chloé]

You're wrong.


INTP's don't usually act at all. We are more appealed by the plan of committing an evil act rather than committing it.


Not only are J's planners, they are Doers. They need to actually follow through with the act just so it can be their proof of concept that it can be done. Our proof of concept most of the time stops at having a thorough understanding of it.

Fair enough. I'm going to brush up on my INTJ knowledge and then reevaluate all of this. Years ago I thought I was an INTJ, until I read about INTP .. (fun fact) ...

 

[Latro]

ENTJ, if they're an evil dictator with lots of minions. Hard to decide about a supervillain that just pwns face on his own; maybe INTJ.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

Im beggining to think "Good and Evil" are both F traits. I gave up on moral absolutes because of Ti.

 

[Schneizel]

I don't believe intent and deed are any different when deciding how to judge someone's character. Someone who would do a Hitler if he had the charisma/luck/ambition is no different from someone who pulls it off, in my view.

I don't believe in good and evil, but I believe in acceptable and unacceptable. It's a quasi-democratic system similar in nature to Bentham's "greatest happiness principle" - when something has the potential to harm more people than it would help, it is never acceptable. For example, murder is unacceptable but a war on countries with unacceptable standards would be acceptable regardless of death toll. It's more complicated, and a lot less formulaic than I make it sound.

Anyway, my point is, all personality types have the potential for unacceptable behaviour, but I would guess that our type and similar types have the greatest potential for unacceptable behaviour because at its core, caring about people who don't affect you is illogical and down that road lies sociopathy. Example: "Africa is a lot of land we could sure use - and really, its current inhabitants aren't making very good use of it, why shouldn't we take it? We can make alternate arrangements for Africans in areas we want to take, surely they wouldn't mind living together in areas of the country reserved for them to live how they like".

 

[Marshmallow Moo]

It seems like every evil mastermind I've ever read about, heard of, or witnessed is an INTJ.

I because they keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves. Ideal for manipulation.

N because they need to construct abstract ideas in order to imagine their "evil" plan.

T because strong emotions and ethical ties would get in the way of cold, cruel murder. Also because it takes careful planning for evil schemes.

J because they act on their ideas. They are confident in themselves and need to be well organized and aware of every intricacy of their plan.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

 

[echoplex]

So, I guess the only question now is: Who is going to go to the INFJ Forum and tell them how evil they are? I can see them reacting really well.

I'm with cognisant about ESFPs. The world may never know the murders/suicides they've inspired. And spend enough time with an ESFP and they will kill your spirit, which is even worse than death. How do you think they have so much spirit? They steal it from others. They are the parasites of the type world. That's my scientific analysis.

 

[chloé]

This is all assuming that the "most evil" personality is a mastermind who crafts perfect schemes of evil deeds, and has the lack of morality and proficiency of follow-through to turn these schemes into action. To me, even if what that person does is offensive, it's still on some level very impressive, so I'd still have a degree of respect for them in those terms.

I think if we're really talking about the classic worst criminal psychopath, he would be more like a machine of unstoppable recklessness, and if he has some foresight he might be able to monitor himself along the way and cover his tracks in order to evade detection - but that isn't the key part of his functioning. It would be not such intellectually impressive thought-process, and more just pure ruthlessness. And this type would not be an INTJ.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

YouTube- MATRIX RELOADED. The Architect

the architect. sounds like the ultimate INTP to me

 

[jhbowden]

I'd have to guess from that, an ExTJ, what do you think?

Unleash your hate!

 

[Adymus]

YouTube- MATRIX RELOADED. The Architect

the architect. sounds like the ultimate INTP to me

Apparently the ultimate INTP is an INTJ.

 

[Reluctantly]

Without getting into a semantic war, to be fair, ENTJs with their cute unconscious Fi function can be quite fluffy, and then have the capacity to be really good or really evil depending on whether they have been able to foster and accumulate a fair amount of the Fi of those around them.

But come to think of it, I see Ni types as most capable of being evil in general. It's something about that Ni element that sees things a certain way and if the values of the people around them are not observed and catered to in some degree, they go off after some vision that may have little relevance to how the other people around them see things, but still believe they know best.

Craziness, I say . Don't believe them! The end is near! Doom is upon the sinners!

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Preliminary round:
ENFJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTP, ISTP

Evil with a passion:
ENFJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, INTJ, ISTJ

Most destructive:
ENFJ, INTJ

Estranged:
INTJ

 

[Puffy]

I'm curious as to why you did not include the INFJ in any of your categories?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

INFJs have an acute sense of justice along with the lack of care for aggression. I find them as one of the least likely types to succumb to temptations.

 

[dark]

Depends entirely on how the particular evil person wanted to shape the world, if they want to control it, ENTJ, if they want to shape it to their new found faith, which blindly leads them to doing unheard of evil acts, ENFJ, if they wish to take control of everything by simply making people give it to them then it is ESTP, if they want to just destroy everything, including themselves ENTP, and the most common today, the ESTJ, the ones who gather all the capital and force everyone to do what they wish them to do, give them more capital.

So ENTJ, ENFJ, ESTP, ENTP, ESTJ.

But to take over the world you need three people, ENTJ, ENTP, INTJ. Also throw in a million ISFJs and you have total control.

 

[terraxceles]

I would say INFJ.

INFJs have an acute sense of justice along with the lack of care for aggression. I find them as one of the least likely types to succumb to temptations.

Not always. What you're describing would be an INFJ with a well-developed Fe. An INFJ with an under-developed Fe is truly a scary sight. Without Fe, they only have tertiary Ti to fall back on which can make them super-logical and extremely detached from reality (Ni and Ti being introverted functions), more so than any other type. Equipped with this distorted vision of reality, they might use their inferior Se to take revenge on, or Fe to "fix" the world. (Think Yagami Light)

INTJs share the same "dynamic worldview", but when they introvert, they become more empathetic (Fi) instead of less, making them much less likely to be "evil" in the traditional sense by not having their worldview "distorted".

Just my "two cents". (Have I "used these" enough or should I "go on"?)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I would say INFJ.



Not always. What you're describing would be an INFJ with a well-developed Fe. An INFJ with an under-developed Fe is truly a scary sight. Without Fe, they only have tertiary Ti to fall back on which can make them super-logical and extremely detached from reality (Ni and Ti being introverted functions), more so than any other type. Equipped with this distorted vision of reality, they might use their inferior Se to take revenge on, or Fe to "fix" the world. (Think Yagami Light)

INTJs share the same "dynamic worldview", but when they introvert, they become more empathetic (Fi) instead of less, making them much less likely to be "evil" in the traditional sense by not having their worldview "distorted".

Just my "two cents". (Have I "used these" enough or should I "go on"?)

I wasn't using Fe. I was using Ti, which actually correlates with Justice. The certain place it's in makes them crave it occasionally, and there's nothing for Ti to do but make logical judgments. And Se being their inferior..well that means aggressive is the least thing they'd want to be, any outburst is short-lived just like inferior Fe.

 

[Adymus]

I wasn't using Fe. I was using Ti, which actually correlates with Justice. The certain place it's in makes them crave it occasionally, and there's nothing for Ti to do but make logical judgments. And Se being their inferior..well that means aggressive is the least thing they'd want to be, any outburst is short-lived just like inferior Fe.

What?


In what way does Ti correlate to Justice? Ti is not morally aligned, it completely detaches itself from any values-based bias. terraxceles actually nailed it, and the kind of INFJ he was talking about was one that actually uses their Ti in a way that is completely self-centered and disassociated from the welfare of the people (which is Fe.) An example of this kind of INFJ would be Hitler, that was ruthless Ti he was using to completely cut the Jews and everyone else who is not Aryan out of his scope of Fe, his perception of what he considered "Human"

And no, Se inferior does not mean that Aggressive is the last thing they will want to be. Aggression comes from taking action, which is done out of Fe, not Se; Se is merely the visceral experience of it. Se being inferior means that they will be extra sensitive to external noise, and when the time comes that they must act in the moment, they will take extra care and focus into doing it. Very much like how when INTPs are forced to use our Fe successfully, we take extra preparation into doing it perfectly. When it comes to inferior functions, we either give it our all or we avoid it entirely.

 

[Reluctantly]

...

But to take over the world you need three people, ENTJ, ENTP, INTJ. Also throw in a million ISFJs and you have total control.

*Looks over your shoulder intrusively and judgingly*
Hmm, no INTP I see. Hmm Hmm Hmm.
*Stabs you in the back and buries your corpse in the backyard*
And that's just the way it should remain remain .

 

[EyeSeeCold]

*Looks over your shoulder intrusively and judgingly*
Hmm, no INTP I see. Hmm Hmm Hmm.
*Stabs you in the back and buries your corpse in the backyard*
And that's just the way it should remain remain .

Lol.

What?


In what way does Ti correlate to Justice? Ti is not morally aligned, it completely detaches itself from any values-based bias. terraxceles actually nailed it, and the kind of INFJ he was talking about was one that actually uses their Ti in a way that is completely self-centered and disassociated from the welfare of the people (which is Fe.) An example of this kind of INFJ would be Hitler, that was ruthless Ti he was using to completely cut the Jews and everyone else who is not Aryan out of his scope of Fe, his perception of what he considered "Human"

And no, Se inferior does not mean that Aggressive is the last thing they will want to be. Aggression comes from taking action, which is done out of Fe, not Se; Se is merely the visceral experience of it. Se being inferior means that they will be extra sensitive to external noise, and when the time comes that they must act in the moment, they will take extra care and focus into doing it. Very much like how when INTPs are forced to use our Fe successfully, we take extra preparation into doing it perfectly. When it comes to inferior functions, we either give it our all or we avoid it entirely.

Justice has nothing to do with morals. It's about doing what is to be done. Not breaking the law, equal treatment, etc. Basically an eye for an eye because that's logical and consistent. The position of Ti for INFJs make them aware of the pleasures of it and ignorant of the pains. I won't speak on Hitler, I'll just let you have your opinions.

Show me an INTP who is able to actually utilize Fe and I will show you the drugs you took, lol. Se is the understanding of power, force and influence, inferior Se is chaotic but not controlling. It only lasts in short bursts and in no way can be maintained for an excessive period of time.

Anyway, this is diverging from the point of making 'subjective' judgments on which would be the most evil type.

 

[Adymus]

Lol.


Justice has nothing to do with morals. It's about doing what is to be done. Not breaking the law, equal treatment, etc. Basically an eye for an eye because that's logical and consistent. The position of Ti for INFJs make them aware of the pleasures of it and ignorant of the pains. I won't speak on Hitler, I'll just let you have your opinions.

Justice has everything to do with Morals. Without the human value of morality, justice would not exist. Nature is not Just, the concept is purely human.

Ti is a discernment function that makes decisions based on personal logic criteria. Simply put, regardless of how you feel about it, is it strong in a logical sense? It has nothing to do with man's laws or "What needs to be done" whatever that means, Ti simply bases it's criteria on if something works or doesn't, if it is strong or weak.

For example, Stanly works for his brother Ted. Stanly is a terrible worker. Ted does not want to fire Stanly because he is his brother and that is kind of ruthless thing to do to his own family, but at the same time, regardless of family ties, Stanly is a shitty employee and Ted would be better off with another employee.

The Part about Stanly being a shitty worker, that is the Ti of the situation, it is completely dispassionate of whether a good person is not supposed to fire their own brother or not, Stanly is a weak employee, and that is just the way it goes.

Ti relates to the Cold truth of natural law more than it does "Justice", for example, if you don't have what it takes to survive in the wild, you're going to die, and that is just the way the world works.

Show me an INTP who is able to actually utilize Fe and I will show you the drugs you took, lol. Se is the understanding of power, force and influence, inferior Se is chaotic but not controlling. It only lasts in short bursts and in no way can be maintained for an excessive period of time.

Hi, how's it going? I am an INTP who can utilize my Fe, your argument is invalid. Seriously though, you are doing it wrong if you honestly think we are that limited. It seems like your understanding is that the inferior functions exist to be weak, and nothing else. The Inferior functions can be utilized, it takes a lot of energy to do it, but it can be done, and it can be done well if you summon the right amount of energy to do it first. That is if you want do it on par with an Fe Dom anyway, because it is naturally constantly in use, we would have no concept on external dynamics if that was not true. The only thing is, when it is in inferior position, it takes very little space in the conscious mind, although it is still conscious, and like conscious functions it can be utilized. You just need to learn how to use it well, and you need to learn how to be confident in and trust how you use it.

You know... it seems like your concept of Cognitive functions... are not actually functions. Se is the understanding of power, force and influence? So it is knowledge?

No, dude, Se is a Function that registers stimulus gathered from external and/or objective sources as it is emerging in real time in a literal and concrete form.

Anyway, this is diverging from the point of making 'subjective' judgments on which would be the most evil type.

It's INTPforum, they love this kind of shit.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Justice has everything to do with Morals. Without the human value of morality, justice would not exist. Nature is not Just, the concept is purely human.

Ti is a discernment function that makes decisions based on personal logic criteria. Simply put, regardless of how you feel about it, is it strong in a logical sense? It has nothing to do with man's laws or "What needs to be done" whatever that means, Ti simply bases it's criteria on if something works or doesn't, if it is strong or weak.

Ti relates to the Cold truth of natural law more than it does "Justice", for example, if you don't have what it takes to survive in the wild, you're going to die, and that is just the way the world works.

Right, it is about personal consistency, which amounts to a will to follow your own subjective laws, but Ti would never be used against another human being in ill will, a generalization of course.

Hi, how's it going? I am an INTP who can utilize my Fe, you're argument is invalid.

Fe is being able to intercept and stimulate external displays of emotion and expressions of personal thoughts. Being able to greet and have small talk is mindless work, no skill in Fe needed.

You know... it seems like your concept of Cognitive functions... are not actually functions. Se is the understanding of power, force and influence? So it is knowledge?

I have many concepts, do not think I exhibit all of what I hold dear in my mind. Understanding is not strictly composed of knowledge, experience/wisdom is also a factor. Knowledge+Wisdom=Understanding

No, dude, Se is a Function that registers stimulus gathered from external and/or objective sources as it is emerging in real time in a literal and concrete form.

Yes, you're right. Se is manifested through Fe in INFJs. They have inferior Se meaning their use of Fe is devoid of an understanding of power and influence. i.e. They usually have good intentions.

 

[DarkGreen]

INTJ's are nice. OnO

 

[Fukyo]

Yes, you're right. Se is manifested through Fe in INFJs. They have inferior Se meaning their use of Fe is devoid of an understanding of power and influence. i.e. They usually have good intentions.

That is all.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

That is all.

There was no mistake. That is how functions work on the hierarchy. Xe-Ye and Xi-Yi. For example, when INTPs use Ne to support Fe, if the latter is weak then Ne will not be as efficient in determining appropriate behavior to direct back into Fe.

 

[Adymus]

I second that notion, Fukyo. and with that, I think I'm done here.