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What Pisses You Off About INTPs?

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I found this interesting because I hear a lot about either how good INTPs are with INFPs, or INTPs wanting to be with INFPs. In some ways I think they work well, but in some ways no way. My bf is an INTP and I'm an INFP. I thought this little bit was pretty accurate:


.... "They tend to succumb easily to intellectual arrogance and are impossible to argue with because they are frequently dismissive and closed-minded, accepting only certain kinds of information as valid regardless of the nature of the topic. This wouldn't be quite so problematic if they didn't like to argue so much. It seems to be something they do for fun, just to practice getting their minds into every little crevice of an idea.

They are much too detail oriented, focusing on specifics when the general concept is actually more important, and will spend more time picking at and criticizing any imperfect details in an example or analogy than trying to understand the overall meaning of the broader expression. This leads to many arguments on linguistics that never get past the point of trying to define terms in a tedious, meticulous way, even if the original point being argued had nothing to do with how words are used and was supposed to be about something more interesting and important.

They are impossible to satisfy. No matter what a person does right, or how brilliant an idea is, there will always be criticism for not doing better or taking it to the next step. There is no way for an INFP to please an INTP in order to achieve a feeling of security in the social relationship. There will always be a nagging feeling that nothing will ever be good enough and that all efforts are completely wasted. This means that eventually I will give up trying to please an INTP, and instead of breaking myself to pieces struggling for approval, I eventually learn to just avoid the person. With an INTP, I never end up with a sufficient level of security to feel safe being open and intimate about ideas and feelings, so any conversation is pointless. I need to feel safe in order to talk about my more complex ideas, and if I know that something I find interesting enough to share or speculate about will be cut apart with a scalpel, I would rather keep it to myself. I always end up feeling guarded with INTPs, even the ones I like. I don't know if I will ever be able to trust one not to hurt me, even if they don't always do it on purpose."



I think INTPs are impossible to satisfy.. seems like nothing is ever quite good enough, lol.
 

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Well it is clear that that person has either a) had a bad experience with one person that claims to be an INTP (or this person believes to be one) and thinks all INTPs act similarly, b) accidentally posted on the INTP forum meaning to post on the ISTJ one, or c) is a fool that clearly does not practice what he/she preaches.

It might be all of the above, too, however :)
 

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Audentia, you omitted the first part of the comment:

"... I don't like how tactless they can be. I don't like how their desire not to be censored can make them cruel and emotionally dangerous. They care more about being free to act like jerks than about being sensitive to the needs of others. [...]"

Personally, I couldn't help to chuckle, specially because that came from an INFP. Does that make me a jerk? Because I don't feel like one.
 

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Well it is clear that that person has either a) had a bad experience with one person that claims to be an INTP (or this person believes to be one) and thinks all INTPs act similarly, b) accidentally posted on the INTP forum meaning to post on the ISTJ one, or c) is a fool that clearly does not practice what he/she preaches.

It might be all of the above, too, however :)



Hehe, yeah. She seemed to take it a bit far, wrapped up in emotion :). I don't agree that they love to argue, in fact it seems when arguments either intellectual or verbal really get going they want to avoid it. I think friendly debate and mulling posibilities is more true.
 

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This. GAWD I wish I didn't have such a large Pness. I am procrastinating right now, in fact.

I see what you did there. :king-twitter:
 

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Audentia, you omitted the first part of the comment:

"... I don't like how tactless they can be. I don't like how their desire not to be censored can make them cruel and emotionally dangerous. They care more about being free to act like jerks than about being sensitive to the needs of others. [...]"

Personally, I couldn't help to chuckle, specially because that came from an INFP. Does that make me a jerk? Because I don't feel like one.


I omitted this part because I thought it was inaccurate and just emotional. So no point in quoting it, lol. I'm an INFP, but excessive irrational and emotional statements bug me :).
 

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I feel like my tendency to procrastinate may have just evolved into a full-blown 'stubborn refusal to do anything'. For instance, today was the first day of classes for my semester - I convinced myself that the first day of any college course isn't worth going to, what with all the syllabus/rule nonsense they repeat in every class, and I didn't go to either class as a result. I feel like I'm playing w/ fire, because spring semester '09 started off the same way, I eventually went to some classes, but midway through, I stopped going entirely. : (
 

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I hate:

The tendency to think we're right just because we have realized there is no "real" answer.

How we often tend to think we're the smartest.

The procrastination.

How we (or, at least, I) use procrasination as an excuse to hide the fact that I'm not really that knowlegeable. I say it's because I procrastinate, but is it really because I just am not as smart as I thought?

The disorganization.

The large amount of potential, juxtaposed with the large amount of failure.

The constant melancholy.

The constant need to correct others, then pull back and say we're "accepting" and open-minded, not at all like INTJs, even though we're really not that different in that aspect.

When the Fe causes extreme impulsiveness and irresponsibility.


Most of all:

What I will never know because of my limitations. Which is true in every type, but painfully known to most INTPs.
 

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I found this interesting because I hear a lot about either how good INTPs are with INFPs, or INTPs wanting to be with INFPs. In some ways I think they work well, but in some ways no way. My bf is an INTP and I'm an INFP. I thought this little bit was pretty accurate:

[stuff]


I think INTPs are impossible to satisfy.. seems like nothing is ever quite good enough, lol.

eegad. I was thinking, as I read that, "if I didn't know she would never do something like that, I would think you were my girlfriend sneaking on here"...... only to realize that hers was the post you were quoting :p


The guy she was talking about, though, was a very manipulative psychopath who she had developed some measure of stockholm syndrome with. Beyond that, I'm 99% sure he's an INTJ. Everything about him sounds Ni, except for that which is Te. His logic sounds really poor, and all his so-called "brilliance" when discussing topics came from seeing similarities in things that nobody else would see--with the primary mode for convincing people to say something along the lines of "how fucking stupid would you have to be, that you can't see how this [extraordinary outlandish idea that connects things without even considering the possibility, "coincidence"] is exactly what's going on?"

Literally the only reason I can think that she thinks he was an INTP was because he insisted he was, and vehemently insisted that it was the only type worth being. But he was psychotic enough that he might qualify as mentally ill, and so MBTI would have to be thrown out the window.

She's probably... oh, I'd estimate about 60-70% healed, compared to how she was when she made that post, but it hurts a lot more now to reread than it did when I read it the first time, for some reason. If what she said actually reminds you of your INTP in some significant ways, I'd suggest you run for it and don't look back.
 

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They think they know everything...arrogant bastards.
 

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I think what bugs me the most is how much of a bomb they can be when their values are violated. When angry/mad or when this feeling is triggered by some outside thing, it's like they only see red and nothing makes it go away except being alone in their cave until it dissipates on its own. It's kind of scary! It's like they don't know what on earth to do except implode into a red, world is going to end kind of mood. I have the hardest time with this one!
 

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stuff[/QUOTE said:
Wow. Small world. Actually my INTP only has a few of the characteristics she talked about and with a grain of salt... stubborn, smarty pants, likes to correct others thoughts sometimes (drives me bananas), emotionally disconnected.. those are INTP things...

Not the extreme this girl talks about. I was too lazy to nit pick through the post to quote only what I wanted to, so I just posted the whole thing, lol. He's not manipulative, or argumentative, or mean/cruel. And he's definitely not psychotic, lol.



He can be a pain in the butt though :D.
 

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*reads everything listed above...shrugs*

The Hesitation.

I stand there waiting for some clue to let me know it's the right time. The right place. The right move. Finally I just say screw it and leap. Up until that point I'm wondering. Always wondering.
 

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What people have said to me:

- too sarcastic
- not caring enough
- being silent when I should express my listening by saying really, yeah, hmm, ok at the appropriate times.
- some have said I'm annoying to argue with. They won't say why.... Except that I've thought of what to say before they have spoken. But it's probably just because I've heard similar arguments before and thus know where the flaw is. Or that I have a lot to say about the topic.

There's probably more...

I think people are annoyed when they don't get to me, or they don't get the emotional responses they want. When they've known me for some time, but they still haven't got under my skin. Like my teacher who got very angry when I almost failed a test. I guess she was trying to get to me all year, but in the end I still didn't care enough to make an effort.
 

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Assuming I'm an INTP, one of the things that pisses me off the most is my inability to express myself clearly both verbally and facially.

Words are so abstract and open to so many different interpretations, so unless I'm diligent in my need to be accurately articulate my thoughts, a lot of what I say can get lost in translation. That's generally why I'm cautious to share my ideas or criticisms as finding the right words to express myself can grate on some people's nerves and they can only take me saying "yeah, kinda, but that's not what I mean" so many times until it sounds like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Facially, well, it's matter of extremes. I either look really bored, really angry or really happy. Apparently, it can be unerring.

Although, I'm currently going through a bit of a hot streak wrt to with flesh-to-flesh contact. My analogies are explanations are being understood more and people are starting to realise I'm not an anhedonic, gormless misanthrope (well.. i don't think I am) but my ability to write has regressed beyond recognition and it seems my supposedly 'natural' predisposition for eloquence and clarity has withered way.
 

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Nothing pisses me off about INTPs. They're just SOOOO cuddly and wuvable! I want to keep them all and wuv them foreva!

In all seriousness, INTPs piss me off a LOT less than most epeople generally do. Sure they have flaws.... like every human alive..... generally INTP flaws are ones I can live with.

About not being able to make people feel loved etc etc. Perhaps this is because I'm INTP myself, but I think my INTP guy does a pretty damn good job in this area. I will say it is not his strongest ability :) but he certainley does well enough for me. I notice what he does and not what he says.
I also think I do pretty well in this area too. Sometimes probably too much. Little things, love notes, baking, random appreciation words etc etc. I think it just really depends on the person. Hmmm perhaps I should ask him his opinion on my abilities. ;)
 

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I'm with Ashenstar--nothing really pisses me off about INTPs, per say. Otherwise I probably wouldn't keep coming back here. Some things can annoy me a li'l though.

- The defeatist attitude. Because they've gone over the situation in their minds and calculated the odds of succeeding, and found that it's not high enough for their liking. (I'm guilty of this one too though, so it doesn't bother me so much in other people.)

- The wishing for a stronger F. This sort of ties in with my first one. A lot of people here sigh about how they wish this or that would happen, how they wish they could be better at reading emotions, or comforting people, or whatever. It just takes practice. I fail to believe that any social skill is unobtainable to an INTP.
 

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A chance to rant? Sure.

Alright, I'll start with the fact that I really like being around the INTX's in general (and ENTJ's) and bounce stuff off of them.

However, there is one thing that bothers me about INTP's and that is their need to feel like they need to "develop" and "progress" (ideologies in which I do not believe). I really wish they would just enjoy being who they are. Be proud of yourselves for the INTJ's have esteemed thee. I mean, come on. I rarely see anyone actually full-out loathe an INTP. If an INTJ can find places to feel welcome with our non-existent Fe, I'm sure they can as well. They're not stupid; they have talents. They just need to stop feeling inadequate and put some conviction in their beliefs...and not condemn others who do so as well.

Oh, and their lack of pragmatism can be really frustrating.

/mini-rant.
 

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I've never found any fault in INTPs (maybe because I am an INTP myself), but that may be because I had only encounted one INTP in my life.

I remember when I first met him in church. We spent hours talking about fighting and the laws of inertia, elements and their weakness. In fact, we devised this one fighting scene whereby this guy with electrical powers created a magnetism field around him (much like Earth's magnetism field- I don't want to go into detail and go off-topic).

He was generally amenable and kind, although at times abit rigid. In fact, I don't think that any of the opinions applied to him. We were both very open-minded of each others opinions, we spent about an hour on an debate and both our out-look and opinion on the subject of gun-control changed. A person who is not open-minded will not change his opinions easily, would he?

I must admit, the comments are obviously extremely emotional and unrational. And though I'm used to alot of emotion and exxageration from my mom's part (who is in fact an ISFJ), this one just cuts the cake.
 

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My Mom is an ISFJ too. They can require quite a lot of patience sometimes, lol..
 

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I pretty much agree with Ashenstar and Chimera. Nothing about INTPs pisses me off or annoys me to any level that even comes near the level of annoyances I have experienced with XSXJs.
I'm friends with an ISTJ, and half the time we drive each other nuts. The fact that we still are friends is rather miraculous, and if we were any less mature we'd probably hate each other.
 

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The constant need to correct others, then pull back and say we're "accepting" and open-minded, not at all like INTJs, even though we're really not that different in that aspect.
An INTJ tells you how you're wrong.
An INTP tells you why you're wrong.
An ISTJ just tells you that you're wrong.
An ISTP makes you think you're wrong :confused:
Everybody else is wrong.
 

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Generally, I think most of the annoyances of any type are the result of inadequacies regarding the inferior function. When forced to use an inferior function, people tend to behave in often unpredictable ways. Dominant functions can be annoying too, or at least boring, but there is usually a mastery of them that is somewhat impressive, even if the person ultimately pisses you off. I mean, you have to admit there is something kind of cool about how Fe-doms can control a group. (when you're not a part of that group, of course) :p

So, for INTPs this is of couse Fe. I think one misconception of the MBTI is that F types are the ones running around crying, screaming and generally behaving irrationally. While they may not value logic as much, and are more prone to using emotional manipulation, I don't think they're the ones most prone to emotional outbursts and losing control of emotions. They're actually likely the ones most in control of their feelings, since they generally have a greater tolerance for such things. It's the inferior Feelers, imo, that can often have the least control over their emotions. They try to compensate by burying them and staying detached, but when they do come out, watch out.

So yeah, I think that's what annoys me about INTPs. Emotions are kind of all or nothing, and this can be difficult to deal with. That's not to say that F = emotions; I know it doesn't, but generally inferior Feelers (esp. Fe) will be the ones who have less control over emotional displays.

EDIT: Obviously, this all applies for me as well. I sometimes have sudden bursts of anger that seemingly come from nowhere and then mysteriously end seconds later.
 

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I think INTPs are impossible to satisfy.. seems like nothing is ever quite good enough, lol.

I don't understand how people can see this as something negative :confused:


If somebody seemed to be satisfied by me, I'd find it extremely repulsive.


I don't want you to satisfy me, it is you who's got this crazy idea that people can and should be satisfied.... :confused:
 

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I don't understand how people can see this as something negative :confused:


If somebody seemed to be satisfied by me, I'd find it extremely repulsive.


I don't want you to satisfy me, it is you who's got this crazy idea that people can and should be satisfied.... :confused:


You're misunderstanding what I mean by a sense of satisfaction...

So you enjoy feeling inadequate, inferior, and generally lacking without getting a sense of accomplishment in what you do, think, or say? That it what I was getting at. I have a hard time believing you would enjoy that ;).

I understand what you mean, though, I like being continually challenged and being completely satisfied with someone might be boring, hard to say.
 

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An INTJ tells you how you're wrong.
An INTP tells you why you're wrong.
An ISTJ just tells you that you're wrong.
An ISTP makes you think you're wrong :confused:
Everybody else is wrong.

You forgot us INFPs who just know you are wrong because we can feeeel it, lol.

I kid, I kid. :D
 

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NOthing pisses me about myself....

other INTP's? their absence from my life.
 

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Generally, I think most of the annoyances of any type are the result of inadequacies regarding the inferior function. When forced to use an inferior function, people tend to behave in often unpredictable ways. Dominant functions can be annoying too, or at least boring, but there is usually a mastery of them that is somewhat impressive, even if the person ultimately pisses you off. I mean, you have to admit there is something kind of cool about how Fe-doms can control a group. (when you're not a part of that group, of course) :p

So, for INTPs this is of couse Fe. I think one misconception of the MBTI is that F types are the ones running around crying, screaming and generally behaving irrationally. While they may not value logic as much, and are more prone to using emotional manipulation, I don't think they're the ones most prone to emotional outbursts and losing control of emotions. They're actually likely the ones most in control of their feelings, since they generally have a greater tolerance for such things. It's the inferior Feelers, imo, that can often have the least control over their emotions. They try to compensate by burying them and staying detached, but when they do come out, watch out.

So yeah, I think that's what annoys me about INTPs. Emotions are kind of all or nothing, and this can be difficult to deal with. That's not to say that F = emotions; I know it doesn't, but generally inferior Feelers (esp. Fe) will be the ones who have less control over emotional displays.

EDIT: Obviously, this all applies for me as well. I sometimes have sudden bursts of anger that seemingly come from nowhere and then mysteriously end seconds later.


I agree. You explained it so well. Which is something I often scratch my head about regarding INTPs at times. Although INFPs are considered more irrational, emotionally unstable, etc. (and some can be, especially to an INTP), most are in control of their emotions. It's only when we are pushed to far extremes that we lose control of our emotions temporarily, they get too intense and we have to get them out immediately. Watch out when that happens. INTPs like you said, seem to be all or nothing (or minimal), when their emotions, especially negative ones, are set afire by some strong provocation, it's time to run for the hills because they can just lose it for however long the emotions run their course and non-provokers get pulled in too (imploded bomb I like to call it, lol).

And that is very tricky when you live with an INTP.. what do you do, crash at the neighbors? Lol.

I wonder how they become more ok with these emotions.
 

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but the thread asks what you hate about INTPs. If it were a listing of traits that you hate about only INTPs which no other people share, it would be an empty list... because there will always exist non-INTPs who carry the trait you hate anyway.
 

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I hate:

The tendency to think we're right just because we have realized there is no "real" answer.

How we often tend to think we're the smartest.

The procrastination.

How we (or, at least, I) use procrasination as an excuse to hide the fact that I'm not really that knowlegeable. I say it's because I procrastinate, but is it really because I just am not as smart as I thought?

The disorganization.

The large amount of potential, juxtaposed with the large amount of failure.

The constant melancholy.

The constant need to correct others, then pull back and say we're "accepting" and open-minded, not at all like INTJs, even though we're really not that different in that aspect.

When the Fe causes extreme impulsiveness and irresponsibility.


Most of all:

What I will never know because of my limitations. Which is true in every type, but painfully known to most INTPs.

This, all this. The fact that I'm so lazy I leech off someone else's post instead.
 

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I hate my laziness and how i think i know anything when i know i actually know nothing.
 

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How can you tell if darkness moves since you cannot see it moving? Cool signature, got me actually pondering how this would work 'in theory' ;)

When light goes over darkness so the darkness moves. scientifically it cannot move because darkness is not anything.Its just a place where theres no light. So it cannot move but darkness still moves because when light shines darkness disappears. So it does not move and moves. But it takes like less then half a second for light to appear so darkness had to be there first. And since light disappears as the same speed it appears that mean darkness covers that at the same speed light disappears. So it is faster then light the same speed of light and does not move at all
 

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Their reluctance to see that sometimes things are simpler than they seem.

Also how they often decide that a pattern does not exist, just because they can understand why and how it would, instead of taking to time to observe it occurring in nature.
 

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Their reluctance to see that sometimes things are simpler than they seem.

Also how they often decide that a pattern does not exist, just because they can understand why and how it would, instead of taking to time to observe it occurring in nature.

I do not believe in simple. You sea salt. i see sodium chloride .

I annoy myself being like this.
 

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Well, I constantly question my lack of "in the now" awareness, short-term memory, organizational skills, and neatness. Unfortunately, my boss and gf remind me of these deficiencies on a daily basis.:o
 
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