What makes you confident you are INTP?

[QuietFire]

For me, it's not anything that will make me confident I am INTP. It is that I could not possibly be anything else.

How about you?

 

[Solitaire U.]

It is that I could not possibly be anything else.

How does such a confining state of mind equate to confidence?

I am confident that I can exceed the constraints of any acronym...

 

[Architect]

For me, it's not anything that will make me confident I am INTP. It is that I could not possibly be anything else.

Just means you are confident, but that doesn't give us a lot of confidence you are.

Past behavior is the best indication. For example

• Being disinterested in minutie of peoples lives
• Disliking groups and group activities
• Constantly needing new intellectual stimulation
• Fascinated with theory
• Usually remote (Ti), but can be charming (Ne) and only occasionally warm (Fe)
• etc

After a few decades of life you round out and pick up bad habits, like the ability to make small talk. It's important in midlife to reassert your fundamental nature.

 

[Montresor]

For me, it's not anything that will make me confident I am INTP. It is that I could not possibly be anything else.

How about you?

Yes I felt the same way about INTP.

It is possible you are something else. The denial thereof is one indicator you might not be?

 

[BigApplePi]

Confident? You mean close to certain? I do not wish to be confident. I always want reservations. It's more about a wish for a home ... a distinguishing identity I can name to other people. ... but why do that?

I check out the characteristics of the INTP and they appear agreeable and consistent with me. (See what Architect just said.) I glance at the characteristics of the other fifteen and they are not so agreeable.

For example, try INFx. I'm aware of my feelings and can express them. But I don't use them for any conscious purpose. Thinking rules. I say "fu" to feelings. They serve no useful purpose except to cause trouble.

Sensation? I want to be aware of that. But I use it only in service of generalized other stuff. Fu to sensation as an end.

Extroversion? Give me a break. Leave me alone when I want to be alone. I can't stand all that external stuff ... only a little in service of data input.

Do I even get close to understanding these characteristics? If I were confident I would publish, insist I was right and beat up anyone who disagreed with me. Not likely.

Do other people think I'm INTP? Architect I think said, "I am not sure about you." Only Adymus said, "You are one of us." But can we trust Adymus especially when that Pod'Lair critic casually said he was INFx!

 

[own8ge]

Past behavior is the best indication. For example

• Being disinterested in minutie of peoples lives
• Disliking groups and group activities
• Constantly needing new intellectual stimulation
• Fascinated with theory
• Usually remote, but can be charming and only occasionally warm
• etc

After a few decades of life you round out and pick up bad habits, like the ability to make small talk. It's important in midlife to reassert your fundamental nature.

This applies to me. INFJ. :3
For instance, I am only sociable since of late.
If I do not feed my intelligence I go absolutely nuts.
I theorize everything. And I can be obsessed by a theory for months/years.
Logical realizations can drive me nuts for weeks.
I am a loner.



For quite some time (When I was a noob) I was confident that I was an INTP. But even if every trait applies to you, it is not a certainty that you are indeed that type. How consistent it may be, one has to look deeper than one his ego.

 

[Architect]

This applies to me. INFJ. :3
For instance, I am only sociable since of late.
If I do not feed my intelligence I go absolutely nuts.
I theorize everything. And I can be obsessed by a theory for months/years.
Logical realizations can drive me nuts for weeks.
I am a loner.



For quite some time (When I was a noob) I was confident that I was an INTP.

INFJ's and INTP's are quite similar in many ways. When I was young I mistyped myself as an INFJ for years. This is a common "grip" experience as I was trying to appease my inferior (as I realize now). At any rate INTP's and INFJ's share two functions, Ti and Fe which accounts for the similarity. It's also why they make great partners.

One key difference is that INFJ's are highly attuned to and desirous of physical beauty (inferior Se) where INTP's are unlikely to even notice.

But even if every trait applies to you, it is not a certainty that you are indeed that type. How consistent it may be, one has to look deeper than one his ego.

It's not clear that type has to do with ego. At any rate the traits are statistical clues, and behavior and motivations can be masked by other effects such as being in the grip or conscious decisions (acting a certain way to appease a parent for example).

 

[TimeAsylums]

At any rate INTP's and INFJ's share two functions, Ti and Fe which accounts for the similarity.

One key difference is that INFJ's are highly attuned to and desirous of physical beauty (inferior Se) where INTP's are unlikely to even notice.

Replace INFJ with ISTP and it still makes exact same sense...but you'll noticed I excluded "make great partners." ahahha.

 

[GodOfOrder]

I think I am an INTP because I like people the way I like my ants, behind a pane of glass where I can observe there behavior from a removed perspective. I also have an organized and indexed mental realm and a messy laissez-faire outer one.

 

[Magus]

I'm close to being a caricature of the INTP descriptions written by people such as AJ Drenth and Paul James.

 

[doncarlzone]

I'm not confident that I'm an INTP, however, I am confident that I'm none of the other types.

 

[Happy]

D) All of the above.

 

[TimeAsylums]

because i'm not =o

 

[Chad]

Waking up in the morning and realizing I am me.

 

[Cherry Cola]

yeah I am also me. We all are, but there are 16 types.

Funny how your motivation for being an INTP is in itself a sign that you are not. Man you need to listen to people and get a bird eye's view on your posts, you think you are being rational but you constantly refer to your own qualic experiences as if though they were irrefutable proof. There's nothing logical about saying "yeah I thought this over and concluded this" without describing the thinking process and what it involved and then being baffled when people are annoyed.

INTP's are typically able to verbalize their thoughts to a relatively high degree.

 

[Chad]

yeah I am also me. We all are, but there are 16 types.

Funny how your motivation for being an INTP is in itself a sign that you are not. Man you need to listen to people and get a bird eye's view on your posts, you think you are being rational but you constantly refer to your own qualic experiences as if though they were irrefutable proof. There's nothing logical about saying "yeah I thought this over and concluded this" without describing the thinking process and what it involved and then being baffled when people are annoyed.

INTP's are typically able to verbalize their thoughts to a relatively high degree.

I was being sarcastic.

I am not even INTP

I am XNTP. or a mutation between ENTP and INTP.

I know this because I looked at myself and my life history and identified these events with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP.

Also I jump rope with the Ne/Ti/Fe/Si and Ti/Ne/Si/Fe line just about everyday.

(Some people cannot understand settle humor)

 

[Brontosaurie]

(Some people cannot understand settle humor)

i assure you that cherry cola can understand subtle humor. by your standards, that's proof enough. as he points out, you tend to apply invalid variants of "cogito ergo sum" everywhere.

nevermind that "cogito ergo sum" is bollocks in itself.

 

[Chad]

i assure you that cherry cola can understand subtle humor. by your standards, that's proof enough. as he points out, you tend to apply invalid variants of "cogito ergo sum" everywhere.

nevermind that "cogito ergo sum" is bollocks in itself.

"Some people" is an open ended statement.

However, you may assume anyone you wish.

 

[Brontosaurie]

"Some people" is an open ended statement.

However, you may assume anyone you wish.

oh come on.

that's like quoting someone, replying "asshole" and defending that by saying "i didn't explicitly state YOU were an asshole! perhaps i was just randomly thinking about assholes! i am chad with my precious random stuff."

now please quit evading legitimate criticism.

 

[Chad]

oh come on.

that's like quoting someone, replying "asshole" and defending that by saying "i didn't explicitly state YOU were an asshole! perhaps i was just randomly thinking about assholes! i am chad with my precious random stuff."

now please quit evading legitimate criticism.

Tu Shae

 

[Cherry Cola]

(Some people cannot understand settle humor)

Some people cannot understand the limits of written words in terms of their communicative capacity.

You are no xNTP because you aren't like INTP's or ENTP's, you have been told why explicitly and clearly before so could you please stop stating completely pointless shit such as:

"I know this because I looked at myself and my life history and identified these events with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP. "

What events? What life history? What did you see when you looked at yourself? There's nothing in that statement for anyone other than yourself and no one has any reason to care about it at all.

Imagine if I supported my own statements like this:

"I know that Chad is not an INTP or an ENTP because in a process of deliberate deep introspection I was able to suddenly percieve the truth, and the truth was that Chad is an ESFP, I know this because I could feel without a doubt that it was the truth, I am absolutely 100% certain, believe me or it follows logically that you are wrong"

No one would want to hang out with me because I'd be providing nothing but an unwarranted aura of self-assuredness - ie arrogance.
Realize that you actually need to follow social norms to interact with people, giving and taking and all that. Not just suckling on others for info. And quoting me but then childishly refusing to admit that your snide remark was directed at me is one fine examples of being a complete retard or a dick. It is obvious to anyone with basic reading comprehension that you meant it as an insult. If you actually didn't then allow me to facepalm til my nose and wrist are both broken, for if such is the case the level of fail is grave indeed.

That's the dichotomy you're left with, not a very fine one but it's hard to feel sympathy for someone so blind and stubborn.

(please dont take the last sentence as an insult I did say someone maybe I meant it as an insult to some other dude who doesnt have anything to do with this seems very likely amirite?)

 

[Chad]

The question is "What makes you (myself) confident you are (I am) INTP?"

Not how can you prove to Charry that you are an INTP or anything else.

I answered the question rather you find it relevant to you is your problem not mine.

I don't care if you care or not.

As far as the arrogant topic goes, it has already been dealt with. By your standards and many others I am arrogant. I am perfectly fine with that by the way.



P.S.

If I really wanted to insult someone saying that they have a hard time picking up on my subtle humor would not be how I would do it.

The whole point is my humor is subtle meaning not obvious. If you find it offensive that I stated that you (actually some people and I was including you in that mix) don't see my humor because it isn't obvious. You really need to take a breath and claim down.

You're not defective just because you missed a poorly placed joke.

My humor however is defective and that is the point. It to subtle for people to pick up.

I point out that I said some people not charry because I wanted it to be clear that it wasn't only directed at you but at others as well.

This still doesn't mean the problem lie with you.

I really don't understand your offense but I apologize anyway.

 

[defghi]

The question is "What makes you (myself) confident you are (I am) INTP?"

Not how can you prove to Charry that you are an INTP or anything else.

I answered the question rather you find it relevant to you is your problem not mine.

I don't care if you care or not.

As far as the arrogant topic goes, it has already been dealt with. By your standards and many others I am arrogant. I am perfectly fine with that by the way.

In case you don't see what is so funny about this situation, it's that you said you are confident that you are an INTP because you feel like one, rather than for any rational reason.

 

[Chad]

In case you don't see what is so funny about this situation, it's that you said you are confident that you are an INTP because you feel like one, rather than for any rational reason.

Please quote me were I used the words feel or rational reason either one.

"I know this because I looked at myself and my life history and identified these events with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP."

This is actually word for word what I said.

I looked at myself and investigated my motives and my life history and I identified with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP.

This answers the question of what make me confident about the type I believe I am.

Basically I investigated myself and came to the conclusion based of what I investigate ENTP and INTP to be. I didn't mention feelings or rational reason.

I would say this is the best approach but that my personal belief.

My first statement.

"Waking up in the morning and realizing I am me. "

Was suppose to be pointless and Ironic. It really doesn't say anything and I found it amusing at the time. My humor is lost on everyone that has posted on it so far. Most likely because it really isn't funny and my dry ironic humor doesn't come across well when I try to write it out.

To find another example of were this happened look at my "What kind of bird are you?" Thread.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The question is "What makes you (myself) confident you are (I am) INTP?"

Not how can you prove to Charry that you are an INTP or anything else.

I answered the question rather you find it relevant to you is your problem not mine.

I don't care if you care or not.

As far as the arrogant topic goes, it has already been dealt with. By your standards and many others I am arrogant. I am perfectly fine with that by the way.



P.S.

If I really wanted to insult someone saying that they have a hard time picking up on my subtle humor would not be how I would do it.

The whole point is my humor is subtle meaning not obvious. If you find it offensive that I stated that you (actually some people and I was including you in that mix) don't see my humor because it isn't obvious. You really need to take a breath and claim down.

You're not defective just because you missed a poorly placed joke.

My humor however is defective and that is the point. It to subtle for people to pick up.

I point out that I said some people not charry because I wanted it to be clear that it wasn't only directed at you but at others as well.

This still doesn't mean the problem lie with you.

I really don't understand your offense but I apologize anyway.

Yes the special thing about your humour is that its special and only accesible to you, like everything else you write.
Now:

"The question is "What makes you (myself) confident you are (I am) INTP?"

And the intention of that question is for people to provide reasons as to why they are INTP's so that others can read and understand their reasons and gain enjoyment or understanding or whatever, this is the INTP forum, where people like to reason and discuss.

Then you come along and make yet another empty statement which you aren't willing to back up. Which is shity behaviour FROM YOU that others have to put up with, that you don't think it's your problem is you being a dick who should be banned, or utterly clueless.

Narcissism or Autism yay

 

[defghi]

Please quote me were I used the words feel or rational reason either one.

"I know this because I looked at myself and my life history and identified these events with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP."

This is actually word for word what I said.

I looked at myself and investigated my motives and my life history and I identified with characteristics of both ENTP and INTP.

This answers the question of what make me confident about the type I believe I am.

Basically I investigated myself and came to the conclusion based of what I investigate ENTP and INTP to be. I didn't mention feelings or rational reason.

I would say this is the best approach but that my personal belief.

My first statement.

"Waking up in the morning and realizing I am me. "

Was suppose to be pointless and Ironic. It really doesn't say anything and I found it amusing at the time. My humor is lost on everyone that has posted on it so far. Most likely because it really isn't funny and my dry ironic humor doesn't come across well when I try to write it out.

To find another example of were this happened look at my "What kind of bird are you?" Thread.

Yea I read all that the first time you said it.

It's still amusing for the same reason

 

[Brontosaurie]

Tu Shae

you got that right.

My humor however is defective

you said it's subtle. that's usually a positive attribute. you really don't know these things?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Very subtle making jokes that carry the same defect as your serious posts.

 

[Spirit]

I am can be identified with the personality INTP because:

I recharge when I am alone.

I like having my own office. Group offices spaces wear me out.

I enjoy one on one conversations instead of large group discussions on general topics with people that are intellectual peers.

I prefer to speak about topics that I am interested in at the moment.

I have always been identified as a person that analyses everything to the point of making most people nauseated.

I get bored with mundane tasks.

I can always think of multiple ways to solve a problem.

I cannot get enough of researching the topic of the moment. I research when I want to relax.

In matters of emotion, I had to work hard to related emotional to people close to me, learning body language and micro expressions to aid me in reading their "feelings" but i still do not empathize very well. In fact, in an emotional situation, I can physically tell I do not want to be there. I also am not swayed to make decisions based on other peoples emotions.

I pick my words very carefully when I am making a point; I do not like to be misunderstood.

I have my own "moral code" that I have created but I will change it based on new or updated information that "I" see as true for me. Example, Rule One: Always be brutally honest with myself in evaluating new information and not be "slave" to any idea or process. I check out previous experiences to verify whether the circumstance passes meets my code.

I do not like to be told what to do or how to think, I like to figure out what works best for me to solve the problem

It is easy to procrastinate - I have created processes to help me with this but it is a hard thing to overcome

Serial Job hopping. I maxed out 6.8 years at one job. the other jobs average 2 years.

 

[Chad]

you got that right.



you said it's subtle. that's usually a positive attribute. you really don't know these things?

Subtle only means "slight and not obvious"

That is the actual English dictionary definition of Subtle look it up yourself.

Everyone (Many people, including you) seem to believe that I don't know what I am talking about but when I look up the words they are trying pick apart the definition actually backs my point up quite nicely.

It's a nice way of putting it.

I went more to the point of stating it is defective to exaggerate the point. Because Cherry was getting offended by it.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Subtle only means "slight and not obvious"

That is the actual English dictionary definition of Subtle look it up yourself.

that's not in conflict with what i stated.

does it not occur to you that "slight and not obvious" may be a desirable trait in our culture?

 

[Cherry Cola]

whether something is a positive or negative attribute varies according to context Chad :O

In humor subtlety is a positive quality, it's not really something logical, just convention, nonetheless you need to pay heed to such conventions in order to communicate efficiently.

A subtle change in mortality rates of the aids infected post trillion dollars spent to lower it significantly is an example of the word being used in a negative way.

 

[Abe]

It's the only type that somewhat fits me. There are something's that don't really go along with it, but like I said, nothing else fits.

 

[Turniphead]

Because the reason I hardly post on INTP forums is that someone else has already said what I was going to say, thus making most of my posts redundant.

Other forums(type related ones) are full of things I would never say.

 

[mu is mu]

-Intuitive insights
-Highly introspective
-Complete concentration when matters interest me
-Highly self-detached
-Private
-Open-minded
-Seclusive
-Usually little to no interest in Sensor conversations
-Indecisive about some commitments (e.g., worldview, career, marriage, etc.)
-Self-doubt
-Principled
-Self-critical
-Distrust of emotion and emotionalism
-Rejection or modification of some norms and values of society
-No interest in conveying personal anecdotes/discussing daily events ("a man of few words")
-Obsessive
-Analytical in real time and non-real time
-Driven by logical consistency, pained by logical inconsistency
-Mostly dormant Fe
-Less affected by cultural prejudices/biases than other types are
-Very serious, but lighthearted around Sensors
-Supercharged by N-N (iNtuitive) conversation
-Constantly searching for principles and universal truths
-Sometimes haphazard while verbalizing
-Gifted writer
-Blunt writing style
-Avid reader
-Curious (but not about events of people's lives)
-Fan of technical music
-Highly minimalistic/wise with money
-Obsessed with efficiency
-Some social retardation (though constantly improving)
-Pragmatic and utilitarian in almost every facet of life
-Forethoughtful
-Problem solver
-Intellectually gifted

But sometimes I consider myself to be more of an INTX because of these traits:
-Goal-setting/scheduling
-Fiercely task-oriented
-Decisive (about the means to accomplish goals)
-Thorough/borderline perfectionist
-No procrastination
-Anxiety regarding goals (although this trait applies to NTs in general, according to Keirsey)

 

[Wolf18]

I think I am an INTP because I like people the way I like my ants, behind a pane of glass where I can observe there behavior from a removed perspective. I also have an organized and indexed mental realm and a messy laissez-faire outer one.

Precisely my reasons. Replace "ants" with "wasps," which are more interesting and whose feed off captured, living insects.

SW

 

[ArcadeWurm]

because we are always right

 

[Brontosaurie]

because we are always right

haha i sort of agree. the problem lies trusting the hunches. my anxious superego (or equivalent) has caused me to make countless bad decisions contrary to my intuition.

 

[DelusiveNinja]

I am somewhat doubtful that I'm an INTP but what else could I be? I am a bit more confident I'm an Introvert with a Rational temperament because the actions I have taken in the past. I have been selfish, heartless, clueless, and distant. Right now, I suspect myself to be INFJ but I'm not sympathetic enough.

For example, 3 months ago, while I was in the car with my mother, some random guy got hit by a car (not my car), coming out of a bus (fuck grammar). My mother stopped the car and trying to help him and I was trying to persuade her to keep it moving. I didn't feel bad for either of the retards involved in the incident. If I remember correctly, I think I wanted his body to fly farther for added humor.

I get high scores for INTJ but I don't think I am nearly as organized, blunt, decisive, or conscientious as they are. When I thought I was INTJ, I started trying stuffing my self in an INTJness hole.

I tried to go public with my judgments in class, but ended up just arguing my opinion with the history teacher. He asked, "Who no longer cares about the bombing in Boston and doesn't want to watch the news today?" and I, with my head down, drowning in boredom, raised my hand. I asked, "What's the logic behind me caring for an event that I have no power to prevent or control? Why should I care? There's nothing you can do about it." When I said that, the whole class was astonished by my existence, ability to speak, and abstract question(wasn't even that deep). I'm not sure if the teacher knew which one of those three surprises to attack first but he chose the question.

At the end of the discussion, he said I lacked human compassion and that I was like Mr. Spock from Star Trek. I didn't know who it was but I sure as hell looked him up. From that point on people in my class saw me as this quiet, lonely, rational, weird kid in class, who did all his homework. Those type of Fe(?) outburst put me in a bad place at school. It's to the point where I don't even know what I'll do next.

 

[Montresor]

One time traffic was all jammed up on a bridge and I was getting angry with the wait and said to my passenger "there better be a body after all this."

When we passed the car that was slowing everybody down there was a dead body inside, strapped to the driver's seat. Dead bodies can't drive

For the lulz

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think I am an INTP because I like people the way I like my ants, behind a pane of glass where I can observe there behavior from a removed perspective. I also have an organized and indexed mental realm and a messy laissez-faire outer one.

I absolutly love ants and wanted a colony. Did have one, but it got thrown away.
Guess who (my MOTHER).

I know I am INTP, because currently I am thinking about my own thought processes checking if they are all "normal" as in functioning and meaningful.
I realized that 90 percent of ideas I have are complete garbage. Not to mention I still need to have a theory that actually validates my introspective analysis. I mean even if I so to say see my own thought processes how the hell do I know I see all of them. Most of them are subconscious anyway. So right now I want to start writting my dream journals and see the connections between dreams subconscious and my thought processes. I still have no clue what it all means, just thinking that I can avoid getting psychosis which I got by overthinking certain fears. To put it simply I want to analyse my brain to change it from selfdestructive machine in to survival machine. You know kind of perfection of the Ti.

 

[jie2]

I am not confident, and as soon as I get close, I wonder... However based on the INTP profiles, associated characteristics (such as have been listed on this thread) and functional stack, it seems to be the closest match.

I often wonder if I am actually a different type simply with various pchyological conditions that I have been diagnosed with (SPD, DRD/DPD, ADD, depressive personality... also being sent to therapy classes to learn how to identify my emotions). However, the more I learn about typology the more I attribute to characteristic traits and less to "personality disorders".

 

[kvothe27]

I'm a typical phase II INTP, gradually emerging into phase III. I shun tradition, sensory novelty, sports, group activities, etc., all while I greedily gobble up as much theory as possible. I'm more or less a professional student, ffs, primarily studying philosophy, math, and programming.

- I switch jobs constantly
- I've had extraordinary Fe meltdowns when under pressure
- I've read a great deal of psychology and screwed up my own psychological health at times via drugs in an attempt to understand people and my own psychology better
- I'm a recluse
- I study psychology, philosophy, math, and programming for recreation
- I struggle with nihilism
- I'm terrible with personal finance
- I likely won't have a career until I'm about 30
- I wasn't aware of most of my emotions, nor could I identify most of them, until my early 20's.
-chronic procrastinator
- I was mostly oblivious of my appearance until recently (adderall allowed me to see just how pathetically oblivious I was)
-I have a great deal of difficulty getting around to setting life goals and generally organizing my external world
-The difference between me and my ESTP brother is night and day. While he spends his time soaking up a variety of sensory experiences, I spend my time soaking up a variety of theories.
- a chronic sense of alienation (I've been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum, as well as, at different times, SPD, ADHD-PI, avoidant, socially anxious).
-My two strongly sensor brothers (ISTP and ESTP), as well as my ESTJ mother, make it abundantly clear how strongly N I am.