What is the best

QuickTwist · Apr 13, 2016

What is the best Marilyn Manson album?

QuickTwist · Apr 15, 2016

Bump.

I'm in the mood to buy a Marilyn Manson album. I only have Pale Emperor and I want someone to tell me another album I should get.

QuickTwist · Oct 13, 2016

Bump once again after hearing a few things about the guy. Watched a youtube video that basically went through all his albums and gave an interesting perspective. Said his first few albums were meant to work as a trilogy just like his last three. Wondering why there are not more Marilyn Manson fans on this site since he is not close minded (understatement).

Sinny91 · Oct 13, 2016

I actually don't know that much of his work... Just a few songs I've picked up on over the years.

It was only recently I decided that I would explore his work, but I haven't yet.. so let me know how it goes

I dunno why I never looked before, - he looked weird :rolleyes:

But I'm totally digging his weird right now.

Smells Like Children looks like it might be my winner..

I'll download his albums tomorrow and we can compare notes xD

...well, it looks like it might take me a few days to complete those downloads, haha. fucking excellent.

QuickTwist · Oct 13, 2016

Sinny91 said:
I actually don't know that much of his work... Just a few songs I've picked up on over the years.

It was only recently I decided that I would explore his work, but I haven't yet.. so let me know how it goes

I dunno why I never looked before, - he looked weird

But I'm totally digging his weird right now.

Smells Like Children looks like it might be my winner..

I'll download his albums tomorrow and we can compare notes xD

...well, it looks like it might take me a few days to complete those downloads, haha. fucking excellent.

I'm seriously considering buying Holly Wood.

Sinny91 · Oct 13, 2016

Smells Like Children:

the band's frontman has discussed his thoughts in retrospect on Smells Like Children within his autobiography The Long Hard Road Out of Hell, circa 1998:

“It was a perfect preface to an album about abuse: sexual abuse, domestic abuse, drug abuse, psychological abuse. Midway through the record, we [initially] included one of the taped confessions we had gathered, from a girl who molested her seven-year-old male cousin. It underscored the subplot of the album, about the most common target of abuse: innocence. I've always liked the Peter Pan idea of being a kid in mind if not in body, and Smells Like Children was supposed to be a record for someone who's no longer a child, someone who, like myself, wants their innocence back now that they're corrupted enough to appreciate it. [...] What began as a very disturbing record had become a record that disturbed only me.[7]
”
Manson has considered the release to be "An album that looks like an album for children that is not for children"; in fact, on the outer rim of the CD label the printed words "Keep this and all drugs away from small children" are visible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smells_Like_Children#Themes

Holy Wood:

Violence is the central theme of the album,[55] which takes a critical look at America's obsession with firearms, death and fame and their ramifications in the Columbine tragedy.[4] Manson sees the root causes of Columbine as the gun culture, conservative American Christianity and traditional family values. The album illustrates the harmful roles they play in the glorification (and acceptance) of violence in "mainstream" culture,[25][56] illustrated by the slogan "Guns, God and Government".[4][52][57] Drawing similarities between the Cold War period of 1960s America and the 1990s, Manson uses allegories from the former decade and other events and figures in cultural history.[28][49][51][58] Music journalist Charlotte Robinson said that it is difficult to assess the "narrative's effectiveness" without the book and film: "the album doesn't tell much of a story, instead presenting variations on the same themes".[53]

[Holy Wood is] not necessarily [all] about the Columbine incident, but more the reason why it happened ... [It's about] the way America raises its kids to feel like they're unwanted and made to feel like they're dead already. They really don't have anything to live for and it's also concerned with the repercussions of that incident.

—Marilyn Manson, on the album's prevailing theme[52]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)#Themes

Hmm, whats ya favorite track on Holy Wood?

QuickTwist · Oct 13, 2016

Sinny91 said:
Smells Like Children:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smells_Like_Children#Themes

Holy Wood:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)#Themes

Hmm, whats ya favorite track on Holy Wood?

I don't actually know much about MM like you. I am just kinda fascinated by the guy who seems to act like he doesn't give a shit. IDK what my fav song off Holy Wood is because I don't think I have listened to it in entirety. Might have to after reading that though.

Ex-User (13503) · Oct 13, 2016

If you have to pick just ONE (why you didn't just listen to his stuff on Youtube and then buy, idk

), Antichrist Superstar is probably the one.

Honestly, though, keep in mind that MM ruled the age of MTV. I actually think their best works are their music videos and live performances (some of the best of which have been removed from Youtube, fwiw). God, Guns, & Government in LA is still there though. When I was 11 I used to run off the bus to turn on MTV for the opportunity to watch The Dope Show vid.

But yeah, I think to really understand the symbolism of something like "I Don't Like The Drugs" you need the video accompaniment.

Sinny91 · Oct 18, 2016

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EefPcht54c

QuickTwist · Oct 18, 2016

Lagomorph said:
If you have to pick just ONE (why you didn't just listen to his stuff on Youtube and then buy, idk ), Antichrist Superstar is probably the one.

Honestly, though, keep in mind that MM ruled the age of MTV. I actually think their best works are their music videos and live performances (some of the best of which have been removed from Youtube, fwiw). God, Guns, & Government in LA is still there though. When I was 11 I used to run off the bus to turn on MTV for the opportunity to watch The Dope Show vid. But yeah, I think to really understand the symbolism of something like "I Don't Like The Drugs" you need the video accompaniment.

Interesting. See this analysis that I was watching that went over all MM stuff said that his best material as a whole has been his newest stuff.

Sinny91 · Oct 18, 2016

Ahh, you've got my friend into MM now.

Nearly done downloading..

.

QuickTwist · Oct 18, 2016

Sinny91 said:
Ahh, you've got my friend into MM now.

Nearly done downloading..

.

Where are you downloading the stuff from?

Sinny91 · Oct 18, 2016

Piratebay

"Arghhh me hearties"

Actually, I'm not even sure how this is working.. a year or two ago the government made that nigh impossible.

Artsu Tharaz · Oct 18, 2016

I own a copy of his Lest We Forget: The Best Of. I've recently been considering purchasing his album The Golden Age of Grotesque, due to the presence of This is the New Shit (my favourite track of the best of CD), and that I'd like to hear more from him.

My CD wishlist is already rather long, however, so it may take some time until the purchase is made, assuming that it will be.

Ex-User (13503) · Oct 19, 2016

QuickTwist said:
Interesting. See this analysis that I was watching that went over all MM stuff said that his best material as a whole has been his newest stuff.

You almost made me gag irl.

imho, nothing MM produced after 2001 is any good, outside of a couple songs on Golden Age of Grotesque.

QuickTwist · Oct 19, 2016

Lagomorph said:
You almost made me gag irl.

imho, nothing MM produced after 2001 is any good, outside of a couple songs on Golden Age of Grotesque.

The argument is that MM was playing the part of an "antichrist" but was actually an antichrist until his later stuff. His stuff stopped being stories made up to being about his real life would be the difference.

Ex-User (13503) · Oct 19, 2016

Eh, let's not forget the band is more than just 1 guy. There was a creative synergy between different people pre and post GAG. You basically have MM and what's left of Twiggy at this point.

QuickTwist · Oct 19, 2016

Lagomorph said:
Eh, let's not forget the band is more than just 1 guy. There was a creative synergy between different people pre and post GAG. You basically have MM and what's left of Twiggy at this point.

I'm not here to argue against your personal perspective. Taste is largely subjective anyways.

Ex-User (13503) · Oct 19, 2016

QuickTwist said:
I'm not here to argue against your personal perspective. Taste is largely subjective anyways.

Naw, I'm not here to argue, I just want you to see mine, yaknow?

QuickTwist · Oct 19, 2016

Lagomorph said:
Naw, I'm not here to argue, I just want you to see mine, yaknow?

I haven't made a judgement call yet.

Artsu Tharaz · Oct 20, 2016

Lagomorph said:
Naw, I'm not here to argue, I just want you to see mine, yaknow?

Respect. \m/

Sinny91 · Oct 21, 2016

Artsu Tharaz said:
I own a copy of his Lest We Forget: The Best Of. I've recently been considering purchasing his album The Golden Age of Grotesque, due to the presence of This is the New Shit (my favourite track of the best of CD), and that I'd like to hear more from him.

My CD wishlist is already rather long, however, so it may take some time until the purchase is made, assuming that it will be.

Yea, I'm lovin the energy of The Golden Age of Grotesque.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJGDnIbViiw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZpDuvKAH5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECOXf8G-GQE

Ha, this is the shit.

Yellow · Oct 21, 2016

I'm not a huge fan, but Holy Wood, Mechanical Animal, and Antichrist Superstar are his better albums, IMO.

Sinny91 · Oct 21, 2016

Yea I could link the whole album of GAOG, I like nearly it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8URdo2zBtY

Such an adequate hate song.

QuickTwist · Oct 24, 2016

https://youtu.be/NnK_evdcrSk

Sinny91 · Oct 24, 2016

So apparently he's an enneagram 4...

Sinny91 · Oct 24, 2016

I like what The Pale Emperor tries to do... I think that it's almost, but not quite there.

Seems forced.

I can't listen to the whole album without a break, I need the energy to pick up at some point.

Bad Itch · Oct 24, 2016

Sinny91 said:
Seems forced.

This.

QuickTwist · Oct 24, 2016

Sinny91 said:
I like what The Pale Emperor tries to do... I think that it's almost, but not quite there.

Seems forced.

I can't listen to the whole album without a break, I need the energy to pick up at some point.

I had the exact opposite view of Pale Emperor. I thought it came across as completely effortless. Its the one album I own of his and I have listened to it many times. His use of flowing and rhyming lyrics and simple yet refined music is what tells me this. I don't think he is trying to force anything in this album, I think it shows his experience in the music industry rather well.

QuickTwist · Oct 25, 2016

OK, So I've listened to everything but GAOG and EMDM. I am heavily leaning HEOL right now. I like every track off that one.

Sinny91 · Oct 25, 2016

I'm listening to AntiChrist

I watched the before and after vid you posted earlier.

ETA: First run through of AntiChrist wasn't really my thing.
Preferred Portrait of an American family over it I think.

Sinny91 · Oct 26, 2016

Lol, I think I've spent the last 5 minutes listening to a phone ring ~ Misery Machine.

QuickTwist · Oct 26, 2016

So I decided on Lest We Forget & High End of Low.

Sinny91 · Oct 26, 2016

Right, I've listened to every album - but only half way through Mechanical Animals ...

Most of his work is not isn't to my tastes, or my preferred style.. but all of his work is decent, for what it is.

I feel like he could actually do a lot more, considering how many albums there are, I don't think there was that much diversity...

I found him more whiney and droney than I would have liked, skipping though a lot of the songs reveals this almost monotone baseline of depressing, melodramatic bullshit , lol.

I do like my fair share of melodramatic bullshit, but I'm hunna need some serious drums and guitars to get me through it.

Sinny91 · Nov 9, 2016

Having said that, I'll buy hard copies of GaOG, and Smellz Like Children.

Probably buy em all in the long run.

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