What do you think of INTJ?

[UlyssesX]

Does your Ne enjoy INTJ's Te or are they generally annoying to you?

 

[TimeAsylums]

I wish they'd leave.

 

[Pyropyro]

I like INTJ's

I have two INTJ girl friends. They have this "big sister" mentality going on which I don't mind since they're not keen on controlling people.

INTJ's one of those few people who can withstand my insanity and provide useful feedback to refine my ideas. Perhaps having all 8 functions between the two of us makes the interaction easier.

 

[Pyropyro]

I like INTJ's

I have two INTJ girl friends. They have this "big sister" mentality going on which I don't mind since they're not keen on controlling people.

INTJ's one of those few people who can withstand my insanity and provide useful feedback to refine my ideas. Perhaps having all 8 functions between the two of us makes the interaction easier.

So yeah, I think my Ne likes their Te's novelty.

 

[own8ge]

INFJ here. INTJs are ignorant, presumptuous and egocentric. It is not that they bother other people. They just don't care about other people, nor do they care objectively about their own logic. Just hearing them talk often pisses me off.

However, I have an INTJ mate whom is the boss. I suppose it has something to do with intellect. So my thesis follows: Intelligent INTJs are pleasant, others are not.

 

[MMarcus]

i generally enjoy their Te because they plan shit and ill just tag along.Im probly anomalistic though because my Ne is not very prominent and probly equal to my Fe. Im pretty leniant. INTJ's Te can get annoying sometimes because it can be selfish and strict. On a side note I find that their domnant Ni compliments my Ti well because they have more information then i do. When we discuss topics they propose concepts i had never heard of.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I have only ever met stupid individuals who purport themselves to be INTJs on the internet.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

INFJ here. INTJs are ignorant, presumptuous and egocentric. It is not that they bother other people. They just don't care about other people, nor do they care objectively about their own logic. Just hearing them talk often pisses me off.

How did you come to hold this perception?

 

[Void]

My INTJ friend is fun to be with. I think the best aspect of being with him is that we can talk about anything without feelings involved or without being biased towards the topic. Anything is up for discussion. And we complement eachother with viewpoints and thoughtpatterns. He is also great for getting me out depressive-like periods. Just being around him clears my mind. I don't think he knows this though. Ah well...

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

For whatever reason I prefer ENTJ to INTJ...

How did you come to hold this perception?

INTJs are ignorant1, presumptuous2 and egocentric3. They just don't care about other people4, nor do they care objectively about their own logic5.

I have only ever met stupid individuals who purport themselves to be INTJs on the internet.

4 of 5 appear to be contained in that sentence alone.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

For whatever reason I prefer ENTJ to INTJ...

4 of 5 appear to be contained in that sentence alone.

Did you happen to visit INTJ Forum?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Did you happen to visit INTJ Forum?

Yup. For about a year I thought I was one...

 

[TimeAsylums]

INFJ here. INTJs are ignorant, presumptuous and egocentric. It is not that they bother other people. They just don't care about other people, nor do they care objectively about their own logic. Just hearing them talk often pisses me off.

thank you.

 

[own8ge]

thank you.

Hey. If you feel fit to my generalization, that is your judgment.
I don't prejudge people based on their type though, that would be ridiculous.

 

[Duxwing]

I have only ever met stupid individuals who purport themselves to be INTJs on the internet.

Pssst: By definition, you've met yourself at birth.

-Duxwing

 

[Jason43]

My best friend in high school and my current girlfriend are INTJ females. They are two of the only people I've ever felt like I could be myself around. Everyone else I have to be concerned with their emotional reactions to things, but with my GF I never do. The funny thing is that both her and I are completely emotional gay messes for each other because we feel safe together. She is also familiar with MBTI and we both find fascination with how similar, yet different we are. Fundamentally we speak the same language though.

 

[Pyropyro]

However, I have an INTJ mate whom is the boss. I suppose it has something to do with intellect. So my thesis follows: Intelligent INTJs are pleasant, others are not.

I think the right term should be Insecure rather than intelligent. Insecure people, of any types, are an unpleasant bunch to be with.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Pssst: By definition, you've met yourself at birth.

-Duxwing

I guess I am in the clear. ^_^

 

[Duxwing]

[IGAUCHE][/IGAUCHE]

I guess I am in the clear. ^_^

Oh, now I see how you meant "met". I'm glad that you didn't end up hoist by your own petard, though.

-Duxwing

 

[TriflinThomas]

I have 1 intj friend and she is amazing, extremely witty, and I can comfortably talk about N stuff with her. Te is captivating to me anyway.

 

[JennaSayQuoi]

I think Te can be threatening/offensive to Fe. Either because of ego defensiveness, or because of lack of acknowledgement/civility/respect shown.

One simple fact is that Te outdoes Ti in certain ways, and there is just no way to match it, which can leave us feeling insecure, and surprised by it, because it doesn't usually happen.

Also, I think it's hard for us to accept the fact that they are usually right, despite their seeming arrogance. There are certain abilities they have that seem magical and thus fictional from our point of view.

 

[The Void]

I dont think anything about them.

 

[Duxwing]

Te users sometimes ignore Fe values by adopting a 'tough' or 'practical' mindset, deriding people who lack it. When an Fe user experiences this derision, they feel pain, which they can so study as to discover which value the Te user ignored.

-Duxwing

 

[BigApplePi]

Te users sometimes ignore Fe values by adopting a 'tough' or 'practical' mindset, deriding people who lack it. When an Fe user experiences this derision, they feel pain, which they can so study as to discover which value the Te user ignored.

-Duxwing

I like that interpretation.

The INTP is diffuse because of Ne in reacting to the outside world. The INTJ is specific due to their unknown Ni. We can guess the INTJ is specific* on the outside world, leaving the INTP to ponder the other possibilities. The INTP can find the INTJ either inspirational or dogmatic. Either are possible. So the INTP can experience pleasure (Si) due to stimulation or pain (Si) due to being ignored.

*Thinking whether Ti or Te is judgmentally oriented.

 

[Base groove]

I like that interpretation.

The INTP is diffuse because of Ne in reacting to the outside world. The INTJ is specific due to their unknown Ni. We can guess the INTJ is specific* on the outside world, leaving the INTP to ponder the other possibilities. The INTP can find the INTJ either inspirational or dogmatic. Either are possible. So the INTP can experience pleasure (Si) due to stimulation or pain (Si) due to being ignored.

*Thinking whether Ti or Te is judgmentally oriented.

And I like your interpretation,

However, the terminology of "outside/inside world" is a cop-out for extraverted/introverted attitudes that reveal a certain lack in understanding, maybe


The INTPs introverted thinking naturally imposes its own form of reasoning towards ideas
Using Ne to generate more possibilities, at the command of the thinking function
INTJ extroverted thinking is auxiliary, meaning it does not act autonomously, it is really an "inferior function" along with S and F, and likewise, it is 'primitive and childlike', as Ne for the INTP.

Extroverted thinking imposes an objective/universally agreed upon form of reasoning to ideas,, in this way it is related to Se as well, in that it relies on information that is available to others. An extraverted thinking type should therefore always be able and willing to highlight their rationale, in a sequential linear function, with objective facts

Just as Te doesn't exist without an objective standard
Ti can't exist without the subject himself ... A distinctly separate entity from the "outside world"

Jung referred to thinking types as having a 'formula', that must be universal and applicable to all things, with this in mind, simply revisit the meanings of the introverted (a separate entity) and extroverted (worldly, part of a collective) attitude,

The problem of course, is that INTJs can be dumb enough to think their intuition produces an accurate/objective impression of reality.
INTP do not have this problem, as it contradicts the essence of Ne at the core (I.e. Rules out possibilities), Ne is truly an objective sense-impression that is simply unavailable to other types

So of course you are comparing a rational type with an irrational type,

 

[Brontosaurie]

judging from my INTJ friend we tend to share a lot of larger-scale dreams and attitudes, but we have very different temperaments. sometimes they complement each other and sometimes not. sometimes i almost pity him for his reluctance to revisit childhood and "let go" while he thinks my brainstorming ways can be taxing and excessive (though very funny in moderate doses). his Te gives me new material and a sense of importance that i lack and my Ne gives him comic value, which translates to new associations and connections. more infrequently, his Ni has me argumentatively dead-locked and my Si pwns him at factual knowledge and terminology.

 

[Pikachu]

They have this "big sister" mentality going on which I don't mind since they're not keen on controlling people.

INTJ's one of those few people who can withstand my insanity and provide useful feedback to refine my ideas.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Base groove. Didn't see your reply till now.

And I like your interpretation,

However, the terminology of "outside/inside world" is a cop-out for extraverted/introverted attitudes that reveal a certain lack in understanding, maybe

The INTPs introverted thinking naturally imposes its own form of reasoning towards ideas
Using Ne to generate more possibilities, at the command of the thinking function
INTJ extroverted thinking is auxiliary, meaning it does not act autonomously, it is really an "inferior function" along with S and F, and likewise, it is 'primitive and childlike', as Ne for the INTP.

Extroverted thinking imposes an objective/universally agreed upon form of reasoning to ideas,, in this way it is related to Se as well, in that it relies on information that is available to others. An extraverted thinking type should therefore always be able and willing to highlight their rationale, in a sequential linear function, with objective facts

Just as Te doesn't exist without an objective standard
Ti can't exist without the subject himself ... A distinctly separate entity from the "outside world"

Jung referred to thinking types as having a 'formula', that must be universal and applicable to all things, with this in mind, simply revisit the meanings of the introverted (a separate entity) and extroverted (worldly, part of a collective) attitude,

The problem of course, is that INTJs can be dumb enough to think their intuition produces an accurate/objective impression of reality.
INTP do not have this problem, as it contradicts the essence of Ne at the core (I.e. Rules out possibilities), Ne is truly an objective sense-impression that is simply unavailable to other types

So of course you are comparing a rational type with an irrational type,

I deliberately use the terms "inside/outside world" because there is a clear line separating them thus promising definition. I don't see "introvert/extrovert" that way. I see no clear definitions. I would also put "objective" to the outside world and "subjective" to the inside, one being visible to all and the other only to one.

You are the first to call attention to my using those words that way. I do not like to depend on historical usage if a new usage can better ground something in superior clarity with a minimalist approach even if doing so results in a certain unnaturalness or loss of literary style. What would be wrong with eliminating all differences in these words and have inside world = introverted = subjective = separate/unique and outside world = extroverted = objective = collective member?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Yup. For about a year I thought I was one...

Lol me too. Then I realized after a long time I did nothing so I switched to INTP.
It is more complicated dough. I realized that the hyper rational is very same like in INTP and its in stark contrast with other types. I also like ENTJ types a little.
I think INTJs are cool and all, but as all humans they can fall into the trap of being ignorant, but I think that happens on internet all the time to all types.

 

[Grayman]

Lol me too. Then I realized after a long time I did nothing so I switched to INTP.
It is more complicated dough. I realized that the hyper rational is very same like in INTP and its in stark contrast with other types. I also like ENTJ types a little.
I think INTJs are cool and all, but as all humans they can fall into the trap of being ignorant, but I think that happens on internet all the time to all types.

Intj can do nothing and intp can do alot.

What makes you think INTJ are prone to ignorance? You may find that all types are equally ignorant It is ust that they are ignorant about different things.

Also, generalizations are hard to make and are often based on the experience of the perceiver instead of properly found data obtained from a proper test group. Be careful of this pitfall.

 

[Base groove]

You are the first to call attention to my using those words that way. I do not like to depend on historical usage if a new usage can better ground something in superior clarity with a minimalist approach even if doing so results in a certain unnaturalness or loss of literary style. What would be wrong with eliminating all differences in these words and have inside world = introverted = subjective = separate/unique and outside world = extroverted = objective = collective member?

I understood what you meant,

Extroverted, outside world, objective
Introverted, inside world, subjective

I just think you have over simplified the meaning of these terms and lost something important to their definition, by grouping them together.

Extroverted means having the attitude of being a part of objective reality, existing within the outside world. Extroverts view themselves as a part of the whole universe.

Introverted means having the attitude of being separate from objective reality, existing outside of the outside world. Introverts view the external universe as being distinctly separate from themselves.

What is the inside world, then, to an extroverted personality? What is subjectivity?

Is Ti an objective or subjective function? What about Te? I have noticed that some INTPs on this site have no clue what Te is at all. To quote one: it's "thinking out loud", whatever that is.

Thinking, as a function, is simply detached from feeling and ruthlessly logical. It has two possible attitudes: I and E.

Te is not "thinking about objective reality" it is "thinking that is a part of objective reality", just as Ti is not "thinking about yourself" but thinking that is distinctly unique to the self and not a concrete/objective part of the external universe.

 

[BigApplePi]

I will have to take in what you said because I think it important. I'm still resistant so far and am not sure why.

I understood what you meant,

Extroverted, outside world, objective
Introverted, inside world, subjective

I just think you have over simplified the meaning of these terms and lost something important to their definition, by grouping them together.

Extroverted means having the attitude of being a part of objective reality, existing within the outside world. Extroverts view themselves as a part of the whole universe.

Introverted means having the attitude of being separate from objective reality, existing outside of the outside world. Introverts view the external universe as being distinctly separate from themselves.

What is the inside world, then, to an extroverted personality? What is subjectivity?

Is Ti an objective or subjective function? What about Te? I have noticed that some INTPs on this site have no clue what Te is at all. To quote one: it's "thinking out loud", whatever that is.

Thinking, as a function, is simply detached from feeling and ruthlessly logical. It has two possible attitudes: I and E.

What I am after is DELIBERATE simplification so a top-down approach can be made moving from simple to complex. If we can label the top* (over-simplified) and then move downward, we regain what is lost. Those others are not the only ones who are sub-clued to Te. I am also. I'll review what you said putting it on hold for now.

Te is not "thinking about objective reality" it is "thinking that is a part of objective reality", just as Ti is not "thinking about yourself" but thinking that is distinctly unique to the self and not a concrete/objective part of the external universe.

Can we get concrete, sort of? Pick the word/concept, "perspective." What is that? Can't one have a Ti perspective? Can't one have a Te perspective? Why can't one straddle both? Both for the same person? Can you give an example of a Ti and Te perspective on the same thing? If not, another word-choice?

*The top is an anchor to which we can all hold onto while we move downward to expose differences in theoretical views.

 

[The Void]

I think nothing of INTJ.

 

[fnordprefect]

The smarter and better developed INTJ's can be cool peeps too shoot the shit with but because they're Te-Fi users, they are often too prone too thinking in simplistic black/white terms for my liking. It drives my Ti bonkers
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[Brontosaurie]

The smarter and better developed INTJ's can be cool peeps too shoot the shit with but because they're Te-Fi users, they are often too prone too thinking in simplistic black/white terms for my liking. It drives my Ti bonkers
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can you give an example of what kind of black/white you mean?

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

I know two INTJ, and I think they are awesome and even better than me.

 

[r4ch3l]

INFJ here. INTJs are ignorant, presumptuous and egocentric. It is not that they bother other people. They just don't care about other people, nor do they care objectively about their own logic. Just hearing them talk often pisses me off.

This is often true...

However, I have an INTJ mate whom is the boss. I suppose it has something to do with intellect. So my thesis follows: Intelligent INTJs are pleasant, others are not.

...but so is this. I like INTJs when I accept them for what they are: people who are fun to talk about ideas with and give my crackpot ideas a skeleton. I don't trust them though. They're out for themselves and can often "rationally" justify anything. Immature ones will use logic to rationalize their feelings and not see that they are doing this. Mature ones recognize both their intelligence and the fact that there is more to life than being the smartest in the room and have a surprising almost psychic quality to them.

Yup. For about a year I thought I was one...

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[Grizz]

Hey

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

INTJ all the way.

 

[Grayman]

Idk, proxy seems lovable.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

You hate that about INTJ which you can not realize yourself to be.

 

[Grayman]

You hate that about INTJ which you can not realize yourself to be.

Do you have an explanation to why I am INTJ and what is it I hate?

 

[Grayman]

You hate that about INTJ which you can not realize yourself to be.

Do you have an explanation to how you came to this or why you feel the need to troll?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

burn them to hell, the f*cking traitors!

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Do you have an explanation to how you came to this or why you feel the need to troll?

I was not specifically referring to you.
Weren't you an ENTP?
A lot of misunderstandings can be avoided by turning the threaded or hybrid thread visualization on.
Just a useful tip, i hope you can appreciate.