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Missfortune

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What do you do for a job or school? I'm interested in the general, not super specifics.

I do physical organic chemistry at school. It's a lot of work: yesterday I was thinking I'd work late and then proceeded to arrive at school and promptly took a 22 (not an exaggeration) hour nap on the couch in my groups kitchen. A record has been set gahahaha
 

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I have six employers and seven positions

Job 1: Lecturer at large university (biomedical ethics, professional ethics, race and gender issues)
Job 1b: For the same employer above, I create assessment tools, develop curriculum, and train teaching assistants for a number of classes in the philosophy department; in addition, I sit on several of the school's committees
Job 2: Instructor at small university (business math)
Job 3: Union organizer (one of two staff members for three part-time teacher unions)
Job 4: Consultant for a pharmaceutical firm
Job 5: Camp director for a private summer camp
Job 6: Editor-in-chief for a third-party publisher of products in the RPG industry

That's not super-specific, but maybe more specific than you wanted.

Here's the general: academic mercenary.
 

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Hey vrecknidj, do you have an account over at giantitp or another rpg site? I think I saw your username a few weeks ago at one.
 

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Right now I sit around my home for days on end finding ways of entertaining myself while also slowly running out of money. Man, I need a job.

When school's happening, though, I'm a math major. I've only just finished my first year of college, so I'm not super involved in all the stuff yet and I've been mostly taking care of GE classes.
 

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I have six employers and seven positions
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Here's the general: academic mercenary.
Awe-inspiring, master? Great positive feedback, light in the tunnel.

OP;Currently:
Self employed as a freelance translator and writer.
Employed as an assistant/manager at the internet store.
Part-time extramural undergraduate, studying computer science.
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a thread that you might find similar/informative
 

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I'm paid to think.
 

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I attempt to run an architecture studio with a couple of friends. Hours are long, money is short, booze is never in short supply. There is a certain pleasure to the pressure.

Lately I've been spreading my tentacles around the small world of the local academia in an attempt to infiltrate their payrolls. I recently was offered an assistant teacher position in one of the largest, but I declined because the conditions were akin to marrying into the mob in the degree of strings attached. Not to mention the 6-month-long payless slavery "trial" period and the cult-of-personality environment they've got going.

However, just this week I managed to sink my fangs talk with the dean of another, less cut-throat bureaucratic hellhole university, and he mentioned the possibility of an opening next year on a history and theory course. I already constantly rant about those things to anyone who's caught helpless by my side, for free! So getting paid to torture a captive audience seems like a good prospect. Soon I too might go down the sordid path of the academic mercenary.

:elephant:


Also, sometimes on my free time, which is not that much nowadays, I mod/ministrate this forum. Though rather than a hobby sometimes it feels more of a penitence... :phear:

Damn, Vrecknidj, how does your brain not explode?
 

Hadoblado

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I am a child-care worker. Is fun.
 

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Software Requirements Analyst for the federal government (United States).
But yeah... designing railroads sounds far more interesting. :p
 

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Industry dirty work. One of the lesser evils. At least I'm not in customer service which must be satan's gift to humanity.

Though, my current job is only temporary and I need to find something else soon.
 

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Private investigator going to pharmacy school next year. :D
 

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I am a child-care worker. Is fun.

I met someone who has done this and he was saying how it was actually a great job for introverted people (he was an introvert himself), despite the fact you're working around young kids who are brimming with innocent curiosity. I suppose it is easier than expected as your interaction bears no real judgement or (social) expectations from the children and you just have to make sure you don't act or say anything inappropriate.

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As for myself I work in catering.
 

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Hey vrecknidj, do you have an account over at giantitp or another rpg site? I think I saw your username a few weeks ago at one.
I don't think so, but I don't really check too closely.

Over at the Paizo site, you can see the covers of the magazine for which I'm the editor in chief.

Here's the DriveThruRPG link to the same product.

I have had accounts at a few places, but, generally I've been too busy to keep up with them. This place is more my speed.
 

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I met someone who has done this and he was saying how it was actually a great job for introverted people (he was an introvert himself), despite the fact you're working around young kids who are brimming with innocent curiosity. I suppose it is easier than expected as your interaction bears no real judgement or (social) expectations from the children and you just have to make sure you don't act or say anything inappropriate.

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I guess it depends on how introverted and what kind of an introvert you are.

To me they are terribly draining. They demand a lot of attention and some are quick to hissy fit. Actually, I find as long the child isn't a weirdo, I will generally find it tiring for much of the same reasons I do adults. Their inability to listen, understand and how they are loud and have annoying personalities in general.

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I work in IT for a private corp. I fix things. I'd like to get into a more specific project management position. It is on the horizon right now. Maybe in another six months.
 

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Is this something that's in high demand?

(Not even being sarcastic/condescending, I'm genuinely interested)

Surprisingly, it's a very active field. In the short term, there are big projects in the US involving federally-mandated automated train control systems, light rail, and shale oil infrastructure. But the big elephant in the room is the developing world. I wouldn't be surprised if in five or ten years all my work is in India, Africa, and the Middle East.
 

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Surprisingly, it's a very active field. In the short term, there are big projects in the US involving federally-mandated automated train control systems, light rail, and shale oil infrastructure. But the big elephant in the room is the developing world. I wouldn't be surprised if in five or ten years all my work is in India, Africa, and the Middle East.

That sounds cool. Do you get to travel a lot to do on-site stuff, or is it more like sitting in an office drawing on blueprints?
 

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That sounds cool. Do you get to travel a lot to do on-site stuff, or is it more like sitting in an office drawing on blueprints?

I travel sometimes, like four times a year or so. Otherwise I work in an office/testing lab, but that is by choice. I hate to travel for work. Field Engineers are on-site almost full time if that's your thing.
 

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I don't think so, but I don't really check too closely.

Over at the Paizo site, you can see the covers of the magazine for which I'm the editor in chief.

Here's the DriveThruRPG link to the same product.

I have had accounts at a few places, but, generally I've been too busy to keep up with them. This place is more my speed.

Thanks for sharing that, I downloaded one and will look through it.

I actually did participate in a start-up in the mid-90's (which I suppose was one of many coming out at the time), as an editor/writer; it was called NeverWorld... which unfortunately kinda predicted the outcome as well. The ENFJ in charge had the vision for the game and was great at producing investments in the product (I think he raised $70K), but wasn't really willing to adjust to the results of the playtesting that uncovered some fundamental errors in the gameplay experience, so the product never took off and eventually the money ran out.

Are you doing anything at Gen*Con this year? I guess it's in Indiana now, I haven't made the trek out since the mid-90's when it was still up in Wisconsin.

I did the Kickstarter for The Strange RPG and should have my hardcopy of Numenera coming at some point.
 

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RE childcare:
I met someone who has done this and he was saying how it was actually a great job for introverted people (he was an introvert himself), despite the fact you're working around young kids who are brimming with innocent curiosity. I suppose it is easier than expected as your interaction bears no real judgement or (social) expectations from the children and you just have to make sure you don't act or say anything inappropriate.

Yeah, I've found this to be the case too - I think especially if you're an adaptive/P. I teach, and I generally find the experience quite enjoyable. But having to follow an agenda and be stymied by ambitious expectations which don't match genuinely possible outcomes, and having the time together so narrowly focused in scope rather than incorporating quality-enhancing breadth, can be quite exhausting. I've often wished we could just explore wherever the student wants to go; it's tiring having to continually set them back on task. (Though I will say it helps the P teacher learn and develop.)

When I've done plain babysitting, more or less, it's great. You get to explore with the kids and their energy and curiosity can be really fun for an NTP to experiment with. They're great to test ideas on and letting your silly side/Ne out is *actually part of the job* (how awesome is that?). The lack of an agenda or judgement, as long as you prioritise safety and don't mind kids, is really great for IPs. Liking kids and being interested in people helps, but it's also fun if you're simply not a dick and interested in models of mental development and social dynamics. Most of the time you're simply observing, not interacting, and you start musing about things you've read regarding humans/animals/power/learning, and see them intertwine before your eyes.

Young children are more mentally open and malleable too, so you can seed different useful T patterns/efficiency optimisation techniques and watch for fruit. It's nice to pass on the mental protocols that Ti naturally develops - you have fun leveraging their complexity into a verbal form a 5 year-old can understand and at the same time know you're doing something useful. I think education of some sort is a natural path for INTPs, because the inferior's pull on the dominant (in our case, to socially externalise our internal products) is satisfied in an energy-efficient way. There are plenty of educational moments, and many hilarious ones too.

And of course if you're tired and don't want to do anything, you just make sure the kids don't kill themselves.

I imagine in large groups though it can be much more exhausting, especially if your hands are tied by company regulations and such. Small groups or one-on-one works best, I think.

[Unfortunately I don't think it pays too well... I imagine if you regularly wanted top-tier clients who would provide good money, you'd have to provide a hell of a lot more than simple babysitting. I've had a couple of lucky instances though, and they were fantastic.]
 

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I've done it a little too. Is good work. One time I had to explain too a little girl that it was not alright for her to try and touch my penis. She thought it was hilarious to try and do so.
 

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Try and try, she succeeded at grabbing my groin first even. It was a bit of a "wtf" experience.
 

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Well, that's rather unexpected -- "day-care worker molested by local children." :phear:
 

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I've done it a little too. Is good work. One time I had to explain too a little girl that it was not alright for her to try and touch my penis. She thought it was hilarious to try and do so.

Haha, I love stuff like that. I mean... I mean... sharing is caring.

But in all seriousness, trying to see it from their eyes and then devise the perfect response that will work on an unsocialised and mostly blank slate which nevertheless has the potential for mild-to-severe damage is fascinating.

"Work" = eliminate undesired behaviour, without causing shame or fear-based complexes, lay the groundwork for increasing empathy and the ability to hold multiple perspectives (or practise pretending to), theory-of-mind, etc
 

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i concoct elaborate justifications for my endless procrastinations.
I do something very similar, except my procrastinations are merely long and punctuated by small bits of web development.
 

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Childcare can be easy and fun when you're in the right mood. If you're feeling down to begin with it's a nightmare. I think of the children as little learning systems, and you need to reverse engineer the desired outcome into the experience that will help them get there. Problem behaviour is about opening a closed system, then proceeding as per usual. I'm often given the tricky children.
 

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Are you doing anything at Gen*Con this year? I guess it's in Indiana now, I haven't made the trek out since the mid-90's when it was still up in Wisconsin.
It's been in Indy for more than a decade now. I've been to close to 30 GenCons; I missed a couple in the late 80s, but otherwise have gone every year since maybe 84. I sometimes miss downtown Milwaukee, but, Indy is a great place for it. This year, I'll be with my publisher giving a couple of seminars on things like Diceless RPGs and How to Start a Game Company and What's Going on with Rite Publishing. I have a few industry meetings. I don't get to squeeze in as much gaming as I used to, but, that's okay.
I did the Kickstarter for The Strange RPG and should have my hardcopy of Numenera coming at some point.
I did the same Kickstarter but only for the PDFs. I'm interested and curious about this one.
 

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Continuing the childcare derail:

Childcare can be easy and fun when you're in the right mood. If you're feeling down to begin with it's a nightmare. I think of the children as little learning systems, and you need to reverse engineer the desired outcome into the experience that will help them get there. Problem behaviour is about opening a closed system, then proceeding as per usual. I'm often given the tricky children.

In my experience it really depends.
Good stuff:
Sometimes work is the only thing that can distract me and keep my attention long enough, especially as I'm required to be and easily morph into the cheery teacher persona. It doesn't depend solely on the intensity of the bad mood either. Except for the very worst of times (and even some of those are exceptions), whether or not work helps me seems a bit of a toss up. I think the link is how willing my brain is to switch tasks. For whatever reason, that's sometimes easier. I think it has to do with breathing exercises, extremely rudimentary meditation, and detaching myself from my feelings a little beforehand. I don't always do this, but when I do it helps me switch focus (on the days I don't "meditate"/detach but still manage to feel better through work, presumably my brain is already primed to switch.) When it works, as soon as the student leaves I snap right back into awfulness. But it's still good to get that respite.

Bad stuff:
When I'm not able to switch attention and personas, every second is torture. Nightmare's a good word for how it feels. I've realised that's because my mind is preoccupied and feels like it's being dragged out against its will and is constantly snapping back like an elastic into its extreme negativity. I can't focus on the task at hand and it's exhausting to continually make adjustments of focus when I'm already worn down to a shadow by mood. The kid ends up looming in my attention as some demonic agent of pain, and it's hard to keep a lid on things. It's been helping me to remember that I really don't want to traumatise anyone, and that kids are vulnerable, ignorant of scope and Other/boundaries, and get worried by their adult caretakers looking like death; they need someone to rely on and feel safe with. Some of them are also worked to the bone and it's not good for them to have yet another source of negativity. It helps me try harder to be stronger and overcome my mood in that moment for them, or at the very least apologise and reassure them somehow. As long as I try my hardest and provide lots of reassurance, and cancel lessons on days I really have nothing to give, I help myself and them.

Also, when you really like the kid and have a natural kinship, *they* end up cheering you up. Those are great.


What helps:
Attention redirection, including in the form of detachment. Breathing exercises and meditation/detachment (focusing on how your emotions physically feel, letting your thoughts pass without fighting them at all - becoming an observer of self rather than an active participant) help. They train the brain to let go of things and redirect when necessary. This means you're no longer painfully preoccupied, which cuts down on a lot of the draining mental snap-back which aggravates things so much.

Hmm, this is where an agenda is especially useful - listen up Ps! You have a set goal to focus your attention on. If you're able to switch attention, you can become immersed in the attainment of that goal. Teaching to a curriculum is useful here. In the more fluid plain-childcare context attention is not focused and any attempt to redirect from your own mood would result in more uselessly painful and dispersed attention which quickly snaps back (making every interaction a painful stretch).

I guess in fluid contexts you'd need to set goals situation-to-situation and force yourself to achieve them. That can be immersive enough to be distracting. (Not saying it's possible to always feel ok working with kids - I have no idea. Just speculating.) (Also, in a terrible mood following an agenda can feel like one of the worst things because of the continual adjustments towards focus. But if you can commit yourself it ends up being easier... I think.)

[Hmm, might Js/goal-oriented people suffer less during depression?]

I don't work with the same groups you do, so maybe the difference is size and resulting exhaustion.

(Also that was a great way to describe kids and behaviour alteration.)
 

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I am a public adjuster: I help homeowners get adequately compensated by property insurance companies, which sometime in the past 15 years enthusiastically embraced the paradigm that paying out less gives shareholders more.
I am also retired. I'm a public adjuster because it was something new to learn.
I was a print journalist for 40 years or so, a profession in which my INTP emphasis on principles kept me honest and poor but well read.
Occasionally I write and publish a book. It brings in enough money to have a dinner out once a month.
 

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