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What do you do when people are stupid?

RaBind

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I appreciate the heartfelt response but I am honestly ashamed of this thread. I think it was more of a "need to vent" thing but since it's the INTP forum I tried to structure it into something constructive and conducive to conversation, but failed mostly, due to my own general wrongness (i.e. false information, as Synthetix put it) and therefore faulty arguments.

One thing I learned is it's best not to really get attached to your arguments. :facepalm:

Also, don't show weakness.

Whether you were wrong doesn't really matter imo. I still think your attitude was better because you were still willing to have a debate and maybe get something useful out of it. On the other hand everyone else just discarded the argument, the least they can do, if they know that they're right, is prove that they are by giving reference or evidence, but rather they just silence you. I'm assuming that you cared about what was the true information more than actually winning the argument, if so than you should be given the information.

This thread wasn't outright useless, I find that my Fe is a giant weakness of mine. One that I try my best to cover up (its ugly). This is probably true for most intps and its nice to see a similarity with others.
 

RaBind

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Hear hear.

It is Fe that defeats us.

I guess there has to be a way of balancing the different types, or else we would be too overpowered.
 

DelusiveNinja

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Yes, I actually do this. (Occasionally)



Go in a corner and crouch down and roll up into a fetal position.

I start whispering to myself about the issue from multiple perspectives.




or


I insult them while I put on a deadpan personality. Most of the time, they don't know if I intended it as an insult.
I do that a lot too. Especially the corner thing but instead I try to hide myself so the stupid person can't find me.
*Suitable places to do this include closets, bathrooms, and basements.
 

Polaris

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I appreciate the heartfelt response but I am honestly ashamed of this thread. I think it was more of a "need to vent" thing but since it's the INTP forum I tried to structure it into something constructive and conducive to conversation, but failed mostly, due to my own general wrongness (i.e. false information, as Synthetix put it) and therefore faulty arguments.

One thing I learned is it's best not to really get attached to your arguments. :facepalm:

Also, don't show weakness.


No need to be ashamed. I think this thread was interesting in that other people experience similar situations, but may not necessarily be willing to admit their frustrations in the way you did. There was no failure here, as far as I'm concerned.

Not getting attached to arguments is something we all would benefit from at times.....
 

Pyropyro

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These people are very frustrating but I really think that they just want to save face but cannot admit it.

Sometimes it's best to walk away from an unfruitful discussion. Bonus points when they realize they're wrong and have all of their "theories" blow back to their faces and then they come crawling back for help.
 

tokoum

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Depends what kind of stupid. If they're exasperating, I just don't bother with them. If they're "good" people, I treat them the same as I would if they weren't "stupid." I figure that people can be smart in varying ways. I myself can be intellectual sometimes, so I actually prefer to associate with folks who can offer me different perspectives, for example people with good social skills.

Once I'm relatively close to someone who is being "stupid," I try to explain or discuss the thing they're being dumb about.
 

own8ge

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I drink alcohol, or I take an overload of smoking breaks. I've been doing so for years now. And I still can't cope with them. I'm not meaning to say that is their responsibility, but it is. We humans are build to be social. Everything you think is social. To then be surrounded by those with an incapability or refute to understand you as your sentences are simply to profound, leaves you utterly hopeless. Without giving it even the slightest effort, I transcend common knowledge. My actions are never understood by others because of this. My intentions are never understood because of this. And even if I would gladly exploit myself through sheer stupidity, inter-subjectivity is still not reached.

But this isn't even the bad part. One of the bad parts is that people relay responsibility onto me. I am told to formulate myself better. I am told to not breach people their personal boundaries. I am told not to disturb the peace that was never there. I am told that I am weird. I am told that I am stupid. I am told that I am not social enough. I am told to behave like others.

But what are those words worth? My actions, by definition, are more thought through and more socially rationalized than anyone could ever comprehend. It is a certainty that I am not common. It is a certainty that I am highly intelligent.

And whilst reading this you probably are somewhat like: "Ah I understand." Or, "Hmm this is not completely true."

But don't feel disinclined. Statistically, by very high odds, you too are bothering me. The common INTP on this forum, when being an antagonist, rationalizes my rationalization whilst not truly understanding me. If you don't understand something, don't debate it. Your rationalization could be irrefutable, but it may not, or more likely probably wont, apply. I've been saying this on this forum for months, yet very few seems to regard it.

Even the reasons that are being given to my banning, could not be further from irrational. But let's just say that is my opinion, just to fuzz the buzz.

And then comes valuing life. I could not be less afraid of death than I am now. Everything you value in life, is by definition, directly or indirectly, social. And by nature, a person has needs. The need to have a girlfriend. The need to be afraid of death. The need to love. The need to be loved. The need to be successful. The need to be accepted. The need to be left alone. An excessive amount of needs, that merely serve that to spend your time. Characterized by an illusion of happiness. No person could escape all one's needs. Without needs, one could not think. But I have no needs. I regard needs purely for filling up the time of my life. I can't accord most needs either. No person alive, or more properly said, no person that I have ever met... Would want a constant reminder of their own stupidity. It has gotten me in a stage where I don't even talk with family anymore for their sake. I now and then respond to what they are saying, but nothing more.

Appreciation, Acceptance, etc. Those things are never reached. For instance on this forum... I have tried to explain principle of MBTI numerous times. Yet I still see posts popping up that are filled with ignorance. I can't make a lot of impact on people their understanding, as I simply transcend that. So what can I do? It is one of the questions I am constantly asking myself all day of my life. I even made a thread: "How to deal with life?". Yet presumably, again, no-one has understood my question the way I do. No-one ever does. That is the lack of inter-subjectivity. When the lack of inter-subjectivity is because you are stupid and others are not, then it is graceful. When you are the intelligent one, it is a sin. Ignorance is bliss.

As of late, the only thing that keeps me alive is asking myself the combination of questions: "What do I want?" "What can I want?" What will I do?". Those questions may seem easy, as they are, for an ignorant mind. Me, and those whom know what I am talking about, will understand. Those questions accept a confrontation most people deny their entire lives. For me, it is the only escape I have.

Throughout my whole life I have only met 1 person that is considerately an equal. But our dedication differs by miles (She is an ENTJ). I understand that person, and that person would understand me. But for what is it worth, if our interests lies elsewhere? There is also a 20 year age gap between us; so there is that aswell.
 

Solitaire U.

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Since you said "Don't feel disinclined..."

I drink alcohol, or I take an overload of smoking breaks.

I wonder if you realize that in many circles, this is considered to be an exceptionally stupid reaction. There might even be hard evidence to back up the assumption. I'm sure you have your 'superior reasoning' or whatever to refute that, but don't mistake my comment as a solicitation for an explanation.

Without giving it even the slightest effort, I transcend common knowledge.

Heh, that is true in so many ways that you would find uncomfortable.

My intentions are never understood because of this.

A very credulous assumption on your part. Your carefully-constructed persona is actually rather easy to understand, let alone predict.

I am told to not breach people their personal boundaries. I am told not to disturb the peace that was never there. I am told that I am weird. I am told that I am stupid. I am told that I am not social enough. I am told to behave like others.

Transcend it and move on.

My actions, by definition, are more thought through and more socially rationalized than anyone could ever comprehend. It is a certainty that I am not common. It is a certainty that I am highly intelligent.
Jesus Christ was far more modest. You are a god!

And whilst reading this you probably are somewhat like: "Ah I understand." Or, "Hmm this is not completely true."

Or, "Yeah, this is complete bullshit."

...you too are bothering me.
You love it.

Even the reasons that are being given to my banning...
...are irrational rationalizations. Blah blah blah.

But for what is it worth, if our interests lies elsewhere. There also is a 20 year age gap between us, so there is that aswell.
(sic)

Your grammar here has noticeably faltered:

"But for what it's worth, our interests lie elsewhere. There is also a twenty year age gap between us, so there is that as well."

Are we transcending yet?

SU
 

own8ge

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@Solitaire U.
Perfect! This shows so much of our different POVs.

I wonder if you realize that in many circles, this is considered to be an exceptionally stupid reaction. There might even be hard evidence to back up the assumption. I'm sure you have your 'superior reasoning' or whatever to refute that, but don't mistake my comment as a solicitation for an explanation.
Simplistic thinking would indeed conclude it is a stupid reaction. However, they fail to understand that what I react to, and by what knowledge I am guided.

A very credulous assumption on your part. Your carefully-constructed persona is actually rather easy to understand, let alone predict.
A wonderful remark. I praise you for it. However, as I said, in the case of lacking inter-subjectivity, requires the person whom lacks inter-subjectivity to translate their already objective thoughts into that what would be understood. In order to make sure you are predictable and easy to understand, I would have to translate all my actions through a more stupid extroversion and make it my EGO (as it would require a consistent stupid psyche). That would be, if I would lay responsibility on myself, a wise decision. But that is not the case.

Something that transcends your understanding simply cannot be predicted.

Transcend it and move on.
I do. But by doing so, it takes something out of you. And that something, is your predictable EGO. ;) (Because by transcending other people their understanding of you, will decease predictability. Can you see the irony? haha)

Jesus Christ was far more modest. You are a god!
I'm simply being realistic.

Or, "Yeah, this is complete bullshit."
Yeah. Or that. But it wouldn't be appropriate if I'd name all examples would it? I thought it would speak for itself.

You love it.
Now and then :confused:

Are we transcending yet?
Sure.
 

BigApplePi

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So what do you do when people are stupid? In real life. Not on the forum.
A. I realize it reflects my own stupidity because I don't know what's going on.:confused:

B. I try to slow down to their pace. The speed adjustment requires some fine tuning which can be difficult.:storks:

C. Ah looks up to dems if ah ish shtupider dan dey is.:facepalm:

D. I angrily think, "You is stupid." I pleasantly say, "What?":eek:
 
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