What are you thinking about?

[Eclectic_K]

Right now I am...
1. processing all the benefits, intricacies and variations in the MBTI personality profiles...
2. Typing several of my classmates
3. Trying so solve the seeming problem with nonexistence. Can Humans really image something that truly does not exist? Cold doesn't really exist it's just a way of describing relative heat... Of course unicorns and mythical beasts don't exist but they encompass ideas and are expressed in familiar terms. So can you worship something that doesn't exist or does that "non existence" imply that something is there? (I'm not sure I agree with that last statement but it's an argument I've been presented that I'm dealing with right now)
4. Weighing the moral/ethical implications of Chimeras (the man made combinations of human and animal)
5. Evaluating how to scientifically measure the nature of the "human soul". Most humans either believe in a spirit realm and that they have a soul/spirit that connects/will connect them to that realm somehow/eventually. Most scientists however completely disregard this question or refer it to the 'mysteries of the consciousness and neuroscientists are figuring it out. I want to create a criteria/definition for the "human soul" or consciousness that will resolve a number of moral/ethical issues especially in sticky scientific investigations like human-embryo engineering, self aware robots and the possibility of other animals emerging to a similar level of self awareness as humans and may then be defined as having "souls".
Just you know... Simple things like that.
I'm also replaying this video in my head simply for pleasure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
And thinking about when I'll have time to catch up in xkcd

You can comment on my thoughts (or correct me I assure you I won't be offended) or share your own! I always like to know what others are thinking. (Provided they're not just thinking about something unintelligent... But hey, I'm on an INTP forum so I can risk the "what are you thinking?" question here I think.

 

[Back2Basics]

awesome 5.
i am thinking about what book to read next
and i am wondering why I can't get my mind to just wonder anymore (i guess i am overwhelmed by plaguing thoughts about my future. fuck!ne lame!)

yo but then again i am an ENTP so maybe i need to talk to get my mind going. been stuck by myself in an unfamiliar country for the last 2 weeks. hehehe

 

[Proletar]

Oh, you know... Nothing...

 

[Synthetix]

Dismemberment

 

[MichiganJFrog]

Thinking about this song

Cheesy 70s stuff

 

[Nezaros]

Thinking about women, apathy, what to do with my time. The usual. And pondering upon the question, "What makes me happy?" If I could answer that question it might solve the apathy.

 

[Double_V]

After seeing the guys in posts 5 that the answer to posts 1 and 6 is it's a wonder men ever get laid.

That, and I want pineapple upside down cake.

Good song tho.

 

[Eclectic_K]

I am a little bit surprised at these replies. I guess I can forget about sarcasm sometimes. I am surprised how many posts were "thinking about women" related. I don't think about men all that much...

 

[Cognisant]

5. Evaluating how to scientifically measure the nature of the "human soul". Most humans either believe in a spirit realm and that they have a soul/spirit that connects/will connect them to that realm somehow/eventually. Most scientists however completely disregard this question or refer it to the 'mysteries of the consciousness and neuroscientists are figuring it out. I want to create a criteria/definition for the "human soul" or consciousness that will resolve a number of moral/ethical issues especially in sticky scientific investigations like human-embryo engineering, self aware robots and the possibility of other animals emerging to a similar level of self awareness as humans and may then be defined as having "souls".

Let's talk.

It's a touchy subject given the inability for anyone to conclusively prove the nonexistence of a soul, but of course that's like trying to disprove the existence of unicorns, one can't prove a negative so really the onus is on the believers to provide proof, which would first require them to define that which they are proving, yet there is no actual agreed upon definition, aside from the paradoxical excuse that it's indefinable or those that have already been disproven. Furthermore various philosophical considerations present the existence of a soul as, if not outright absurd, then highly improbable, for instance the Ship of Theseus problem which generally implies identity is something applied to the ship rather than something of the ship itself.

Anyway I figure you understand this already so I won't dally, the real point I want to makes is that despite identity, the concept of self and hence any kind of soul being utterly contrived, it is a foundational assumption to our systems of ethics, so in place of the soul concept we require some equivalent to define the distinction between that which is and is not considered a legal entity.

To this end I suggest some kind of volition based class system, for example children are not full legal entities but given partial legal rights due to their present if unreliable capacity for volition, whereas an adult assumedly has (or should have) full control over their actions, likewise a greater than human intelligence should probably be subject to stricter laws but given greater freedoms/rights, while like children sub-human intelligence chimeras would be less accountable for their actions but given lesser freedoms/rights.

Suitably the insane have little or no freedoms/rights nor accountability for their actions.

 

[Eclectic_K]

I like the ideas so far...
I also really like how you described the sensitivity of the matter.
I am however a little concerned about a kind of system that would allow for a range of accountability. It would be far to easy, from that point, to justify valuing some humans over others. Then again I suppose I am almost suggesting that their needs to be a value system to deal with other forms of life. Of course there is the legal system, which can be and effective system of evaluating actions in society if properly enforced. So I wonder if we even need a definition of soul/spirit... Should we just let actions speak for themselves? I don't know if it can be that simple... Actions and expressions change subtly from culture to culture. What would happen if we met/created a culture who could not express motivation in action the same what that humans do? Like what if Dolphins get intelligent enough to qualify as having a unique consciousness? Does their lack of appendages (and therefore limitations in acting in ways that humans could recognize) justify treating them differently than a human would be treated? Or does it require/demand different treatment? And what if we can define a "soul like property" of consciousness to help people decide how to treat 'other' life? What if some other species or creation exceed the standards? How will we know when the standards have been exceeded?

AAaaaah... I'm getting way too hypothetical here... I'm starting to sound like a want to be science fiction novel... There are too many questions.

I guess I need to step back and re-evaluate what the perceived moral/ethical issues with all levels of genetic engineering.
Sorry I couldn't be more coherent. Do you have any further thoughts on the matter? I'm dying to know!

 

[Cognisant]

I am however a little concerned about a kind of system that would allow for a range of accountability. It would be far to easy, from that point, to justify valuing some humans over others.

Well yeah, crazy people have as much a right to be free as sane people from an ethical standpoint, however by necessity we lock them up in asylums, likewise an AI would desire some kind of personal security, and ideally be legally entitled to it, for fear that some petty human criminal may try to mess with its mainframe.

And what if we can define a "soul like property" of consciousness to help people decide how to treat 'other' life?

Like a standardized test of intelligence?

There is a correlation between intelligence and the capacity for responsible volition, y'know if a dog digs holes in the yard, because it felt like it, we're far more willing to excuse it than if a human being did the same for exactly the same reason, because understandably a human being ought to know better. So from the perspective of more intelligent entity it may be wrong for a human to litter, trespass, vandalize, etc, but forgivable as they are only human, whereas if one of these more intelligent entities caught another committing such crimes the matter would be more serious, for a crime that a human might receive a stern talking to, a more intelligent entity may receive a fine or a night in jail.

On the other hand a human clearly has more rights than a dog, more entitlements, because we have a greater capacity for responsibility, likewise more intelligent entities may be able to do things we can't, like bypassing airport security or being allowed into normally restricted areas, for example if we were talking about an Asimovian robot subject to his three laws its impeccable responsibility means that if one walked into unrestricted area nobody would stop it because everyone would assume that it's obviously got a good reason for being there, and it can be trusted not to do anything irresponsible.

Unlike a human, or a dog.

 

[BigApplePi]

Right now I am...
1. Checking out the Forum.
2. Wondrin' where I'm goin' cuz ah caint stay heah.
3. Running outta time cuz ah gotta do that.
4. Wondrin' if the tools I have are going to be any good.
5. Eager to do #3 so I can have breakfast.
5b. Wondrin' about you.
6. Posting this.

 

[BigApplePi]

Well yeah, crazy people have as much a right to be free as sane people from an ethical standpoint, however by necessity we lock them up in asylums

Why would we do that?

There is a correlation between intelligence and the capacity for responsible volition, y'know if a dog digs holes in the yard, because it felt like it, we're far more willing to excuse it than if a human being did the same for exactly the same reason, because understandably a human being ought to know better.

Does it matter if the dog is trained? Should it be trained at all?

So from the perspective of more intelligent entity it may be wrong for a human to litter, trespass, vandalize, etc, but forgivable as they are only human, whereas if one of these more intelligent entities caught another committing such crimes the matter would be more serious, for a crime that a human might receive a stern talking to, a more intelligent entity may receive a fine or a night in jail.

What if our fellow man decides to punish his fellow women for going to school and getting an education? Do others have the right to go to war to stop them?

On the other hand a human clearly has more rights than a dog, more entitlements, because we have a greater capacity for responsibility,

Does that mean people who assume more responsibility or have more responsibility have more rights than those who don't, as in leaders and followers?

 

[Tony3d]

I am a little bit surprised at these replies. I guess I can forget about sarcasm sometimes. I am surprised how many posts were "thinking about women" related. I don't think about men all that much...

When I am not thinking about women, then I am thinking about something that will in the long term help me get more women...

For example, I am applying for jobs in multiple different countries at the moment, and when I am thinking about a potential job the first thing that comes to my head is, "how easy or hard is it going to be to meet women over there, will the language barrier get in the way? are there cultural differences that would come in between? would they find someone who looks like me exotic and different or boring an usual?"

Then, after thinking about that, I actually consider future career prospects and pay and such. But that is always secondary.

Just like, I might not be thinking about women, but I am thinking about working out or buying new clothes, but the whole reason for thinking about that is in the end the same.


But I guess when everything else you have to do is easy, you tend to always think about the one thing you can't figure out.

 

[BigApplePi]

the first thing that comes to my head is, "how easy or hard is it going to be to meet women over there, will the language barrier get in the way? are there cultural differences that would come in between? would they find someone who looks like me exotic and different or boring an usual?"

I dated a woman from another country for seven years. I found that due to cultural differences, most of my shortcomings were ignored and she valued me for the cultural differences. That worked out quite well and could have continued if not for ... life circumstances.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Well yeah, crazy people have as much a right to be free as sane people from an ethical standpoint, however by necessity we lock them up in asylums, likewise an AI would desire some kind of personal security, and ideally be legally entitled to it, for fear that some petty human criminal may try to mess with its mainframe.

Like a standardized test of intelligence?

There is a correlation between intelligence and the capacity for responsible volition, y'know if a dog digs holes in the yard, because it felt like it, we're far more willing to excuse it than if a human being did the same for exactly the same reason, because understandably a human being ought to know better. So from the perspective of more intelligent entity it may be wrong for a human to litter, trespass, vandalize, etc, but forgivable as they are only human, whereas if one of these more intelligent entities caught another committing such crimes the matter would be more serious, for a crime that a human might receive a stern talking to, a more intelligent entity may receive a fine or a night in jail.

On the other hand a human clearly has more rights than a dog, more entitlements, because we have a greater capacity for responsibility, likewise more intelligent entities may be able to do things we can't, like bypassing airport security or being allowed into normally restricted areas, for example if we were talking about an Asimovian robot subject to his three laws its impeccable responsibility means that if one walked into unrestricted area nobody would stop it because everyone would assume that it's obviously got a good reason for being there, and it can be trusted not to do anything irresponsible.

Unlike a human, or a dog.

I dislike the concept of intelligence tests in general. If I was to take an intelligence test that labeled me as something below average I would probably stop trying, fall into a pathetic spiral of self pity and subjugate myself to a degrading menial labor job. I would then convince myself that I am doing a service to humanity by saving them from having to deal with one more stupid person. I just feel that intelligence tests (as they are now) are flawed and not holistically representative of the complexities of the mind. Perhaps brain scans could provide a more accurate representation of intelligence based on brain activity... Although I think you can be actively thinking about nothing but bullshit and still show "high brain activity". Who knows... I haven't actually studied it much.
Anyway, all that to say I was avoiding the idea of an "intelligence test".

I do however understand the correlation between intelligence and responsibility... It seems developing a more effective way of measuring intelligence might be the only way to achieve what I was trying to figure out.

Unfortunately, I have not read any more that short excerpts of Asimov but I do intend to read his works. If you've read any I'd love suggestions on what I should start with. Actually I brought up the dolphins because of a conversation about Asimov two of my friends were having the other day.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Why would we do that?

Does it matter if the dog is trained? Should it be trained at all?


What if our fellow man decides to punish his fellow women for going to school and getting an education? Do others have the right to go to war to stop them?

Does that mean people who assume more responsibility or have more responsibility have more rights than those who don't, as in leaders and followers?

I think a trained dog would receive a harsher punishment for going against something that it's been trained to do or not do but they're also less likely to actually do those things if they're trained not to. I'm not sure I quite grasped the idea behind the question.

That's a good question. I suppose some of that would be determined by if you're a cultural relativist or if you follow a natural law philosophy. Can we really justify preventing another's actions? Personally I think so, I would do whatever was necessary to help anyone who wants an education have that opportunity. I fully intend to live in a 24/7 library and soup kitchen to nourish the mind and body.

I think that people assume more responsibility should have more responsibility not more rights... I don't think people should be allow themselves to have so much responsibility that it allows them to justify having more rights those around them. (of course there are certain privileges that can come with responsibility but those should be treated different than rights) I think some people can handle more responsibility than others.

 

[Eclectic_K]

But I guess when everything else you have to do is easy, you tend to always think about the one thing you can't figure out.

I almost wish that wasn't so true.

 

[redbaron]

Boobs.

 

[rrgjl]

Wondering if maybe part of me being down so much lately is due to the fact that I quit my anti-depressants too quickly. I quit in about 4 stages of 3 weeks each, lowering the dosage with the same amount every time. So 12 weeks altogether.
It's hard to be sure, because around the time that I was entirely off meds I broke up with my ex, had to move, find a job again, and I had recently quit my studies, so that accounts for a lot of stress. Now I'm trying to figure out if my feelings are just the stress and the situation I'm in, or the actual dosage lowering / quitting meds. Probably nearly impossible to figure out, but hey, doesn't stop me from trying (unfortunately).

 

[Tony3d]

I almost wish that wasn't so true.

Well, if something is easy to obtain, then why would you need to put in the effort of thinking about it all the time?

If I wanted a high paying job I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.

If I wanted to get good grades in school I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.

If I wanted to be a good guitar player I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.


The only thing that isn't easy is finding good quality girls, and that is why we sit around and think about that.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Well, if something is easy to obtain, then why would you need to put in the effort of thinking about it all the time?

If I wanted a high paying job I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.

If I wanted to get good grades in school I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.

If I wanted to be a good guitar player I could get that pretty easily, so I don't spend my time sitting around and thinking of ways to obtain that.


The only thing that isn't easy is finding good quality girls, and that is why we sit around and think about that.

In that case I probably think about boys less because I have one now. (have implies ownership which sounds bad... we have each-other really) I guess I did think about men much more before then and now that we're together it's like he's a "given" in my universe. Like the law of gravity or knowing the sun will shine and set. I appreciate these things without having to think about them all the time.

One of the things I do think about a lot, is how I'm ever going to find my niche in the world. What can I do will allow me to sustain myself (and a family) and keep me aware and interested. Sometimes I feel like giving up and just choosing something "smart" something I could be good at and make money doing, not necessarily something that would ever really interest me.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Boobs.

Thank you for doing your part to keep the thread live.

 

[Duxwing]

In that case I probably think about boys less because I have one now. (have implies ownership which sounds bad... we have each-other really) I guess I did think about men much more before then and now that we're together it's like he's a "given" in my universe. Like the law of gravity or knowing the sun will shine and set. I appreciate these things without having to think about them all the time.

One of the things I do think about a lot, is how I'm ever going to find my niche in the world. What can I do will allow me to sustain myself (and a family) and keep me aware and interested. Sometimes I feel like giving up and just choosing something "smart" something I could be good at and make money doing, not necessarily something that would ever really interest me.

Come on, Eclectic, you can do it. Giving up renders the same result as trying and losing: unhappiness. So let me see your War Face!

-Duxwing

 

[Eclectic_K]

Wondering if maybe part of me being down so much lately is due to the fact that I quit my anti-depressants too quickly. I quit in about 4 stages of 3 weeks each, lowering the dosage with the same amount every time. So 12 weeks altogether.
It's hard to be sure, because around the time that I was entirely off meds I broke up with my ex, had to move, find a job again, and I had recently quit my studies, so that accounts for a lot of stress. Now I'm trying to figure out if my feelings are just the stress and the situation I'm in, or the actual dosage lowering / quitting meds. Probably nearly impossible to figure out, but hey, doesn't stop me from trying (unfortunately).

You're an INTP right? Do you think having a inferior Fe function influences how deeply you feel about things? Does studying ever help you relax?

 

[rrgjl]

I notice that other people help me relax. I'm not sure if I'm an INTP. Guess it's not a very INTP-ish thing to go for the socializing to feel better. It's not just any social contact that helps though, but for example playing music with a friend, learning new things together with someone else, or just talking, those generally help me get out of my head. I tend to talk myself down, even though I'm aware of what I'm doing. It's quite frustrating. So others can help me get out of that state, distract me in a sense.

 

[Eclectic_K]

It really depends for me... Sometimes I do need to be around people to get out of my head but I usually prefer to be alone when I'm working through things.

 

[SLushhYYY]

Lately I've been thinking and trying to visualize the chemical bond breaking process implemented by fire, and how the carbon atoms manage to so perfectly assemble with their surrounding oxygen atoms forming carbon monoxide.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Lately I've been thinking and trying to visualize the chemical bond breaking process implemented by fire, and how the carbon atoms manage to so perfectly assemble with their surrounding oxygen atoms forming carbon monoxide.

Chemistry! Wonderful! Such a beautiful system to think about. Unfortunately I know very very little about Chemistry on a whole.

 

[Tony3d]

One of the things I do think about a lot, is how I'm ever going to find my niche in the world. What can I do will allow me to sustain myself (and a family) and keep me aware and interested. Sometimes I feel like giving up and just choosing something "smart" something I could be good at and make money doing, not necessarily something that would ever really interest me.

Ya, that came easy for me, I knew what my niche was since the early part of my highschool days. It pays good, has oportunities to get jobs all over the world, I enjoy it, it always leaves oportunities to learn new stuff, and I am damn good at it when I set my mind right.

So I don't think about that at all, it is there for me whenever I choose to go back to working on that area of my life. Right now I don't care enough to even work on my career or future prospects unless it opens up oportunities to meet ladies.


So, that further proves my point, we only think about the things that we can't figure out. Once we figure out the system stuff becomes boring for us INTPs.

 

[snafupants]

What am I thinking about? Has video of Adam Lanza entering Sandy Hook been released?!

 

[SpaceYeti]

Right now I am...Trying so solve the seeming problem with nonexistence. Can Humans really image something that truly does not exist?

I'm thinking about why people have such a hard time with this, but then remember I also had a hard time with this.

No, humans cannot imagine a thing which does not exist, because if it's a thing, it necessarily exists (if only in our imagination). If you want to consider a state of "nothingness", it's easy. Imagine the lack of all three dimensions and time. Not blackness, do not "see" it, because seeing "nothing" is a paradox. Essentially, we cannot imagine "nothing" because "nothing" is not actually a subject. It's the lack of subjects.

 

[joal0503]

im imagining a color, that doesnt exist.

 

[just george]

Im thinking about how to explain to Buck Shane that I think I've figured out the explosive bullet design, with 3D printed bullets.

 

[Eclectic_K]

I'm thinking about why people have such a hard time with this, but then remember I also had a hard time with this.

No, humans cannot imagine a thing which does not exist, because if it's a thing, it necessarily exists (if only in our imagination). If you want to consider a state of "nothingness", it's easy. Imagine the lack of all three dimensions and time. Not blackness, do not "see" it, because seeing "nothing" is a paradox. Essentially, we cannot imagine "nothing" because "nothing" is not actually a subject. It's the lack of subjects.

Thanks for realizing I meant to type "imagine" not image. Haha
This actually came up as an argument for the existence of God. Basically saying that we couldn't possibly have thought up "god" on our own and that he must exist simply because the idea of the existence of a/many deity/deities is a universal phenomena. But what if "god(s)" is/are simply a representation and worship of the abstract ideas that do not necessarily have a physical form like love, creation, happiness and grace? Or does the existence of deity worship really do point to the existence of God(s)?

 

[Eclectic_K]

Im thinking about how to explain to Buck Shane that I think I've figured out the explosive bullet design, with 3D printed bullets.

I've actually been thinking about something very similar lately! Haha I don't know enough about 3D printers to know for sure how any of my ideas would work.... I was trying to figure out how create projectiles for some catapult or slingshot type device... Something a bit more primitive but possibly more viable.

 

[Back2Basics]

if i should look at pr0n or nofap

 

[Back2Basics]

how do you know if you are an abstract thinker?

 

[just george]

I've actually been thinking about something very similar lately! Haha I don't know enough about 3D printers to know for sure how any of my ideas would work.... I was trying to figure out how create projectiles for some catapult or slingshot type device... Something a bit more primitive but possibly more viable.

go to the "hey buck" thread and have a look

 

[Antediluvian]

Nature of people, and how if I attempted to express my observations they would come across very ineloquently.

 

[Nezaros]

I am a little bit surprised at these replies. I guess I can forget about sarcasm sometimes. I am surprised how many posts were "thinking about women" related. I don't think about men all that much...

It was just my state of mind at the time. When I'm not in a semi-depressed state I don't really give it all that much thought.

how do you know if you are an abstract thinker?

As an abstract thinker I think in concepts rather than images or words. Part of why it's so difficult for me to explain things to others.

Right now, I'm thinking about thinking about things. Thanks a lot, thread.

 

[Eclectic_K]

It was just my state of mind at the time. When I'm not in a semi-depressed state I don't really give it all that much thought.



As an abstract thinker I think in concepts rather than images or words. Part of why it's so difficult for me to explain things to others.

Right now, I'm thinking about thinking about things. Thanks a lot, thread.

Hahaha Yeah sorry about the semi-passive aggressive comment about thinking of women. I've noticed your comments on other forums, very insightful. You don't post as much (in the forums I've seen) in each of your comments as many others (and even I myself) tend to do. It must be advantageous for engaging in multiple forums more. I get a bit bogged down with one or two at a time sometimes.
I was sure that my obsessive thinking wasn't unique to myself so I started this forum (as stated) to see what kinds of things other INTPs think about. I think you're right about many times the ideas being hard to express. Usually when people ask me what I'm thinking about I can only give them the base information. Sometimes I have to think of something new to think of so I can answer the question in a way they might understand or I'll just reference a movie...

 

[Nezaros]

Conciseness is golden. And on the occasions that I do type out a long post I tend to lose my train of thought halfway through and have to start over, so I try to avoid it if I can. It doesn't help that my brain has been quite a muddle lately, though arguably it's better than my usual obsessing over something-or-other.

 

[Antediluvian]

The theme of limits of change.

 

[Nissa]

Right now I'm telling myself I need to go to bed because I have school tomorrow. Aaaand I'm thinking about the fact I'm trying to make friends on the internet, a place seemingly filled with liberals. And I'm a conservative.

....I don't think I'm ready for all the hate.

 

[Eclectic_K]

Right now I'm telling myself I need to go to bed because I have school tomorrow. Aaaand I'm thinking about the fact I'm trying to make friends on the internet, a place seemingly filled with liberals. And I'm a conservative.

....I don't think I'm ready for all the hate.

I don't consider myself a liberal or a conservative.... Although if I HAD to categorize myself I'm more of an economic conservative and social liberal, although I don't go extreme in either direction really. I get frustrated with political arguments in general. It's a shame you feel unable to make friends on the internet because of your political persuasion. That shouldn't matter. I don't really care what people think as long as they have a rational argument to back them up and as long as they have their facts straight.

 

[snafupants]

I'm contemplating how my mood depends on work, which sounds pathetic. It's pathetic that mood and work are proportionally related and that I'm abstracting it in the first place.

 

[Nissa]

I don't consider myself a liberal or a conservative.... Although if I HAD to categorize myself I'm more of an economic conservative and social liberal, although I don't go extreme in either direction really. I get frustrated with political arguments in general. It's a shame you feel unable to make friends on the internet because of your political persuasion. That shouldn't matter. I don't really care what people think as long as they have a rational argument to back them up and as long as they have their facts straight.

Part of it is that I can be defensive, but the real issue on the net is that as soon as people find out I'm conservative, I'm automatically the devil. I once had this girl on the net try to twist everything I said into an argument. Apparently she thought that I think women ought to stay in the house all the time simply because I said women have a chemical in them that activates when they hold children. Another guy called me arrogant for asking if guys like freckles. Really.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely worried about that here. Mah peeps the INTPs are thinkers, so I suspect most people here will at least think about things and avoid the whole "DIE CONSERVATIVE DIE" sort of thing. I'm just iffy because I've been burned before.

 

[xbox]

Oreos.