weed (responses appreciated) :)

[phantome]

One of my friends wants to try weed, normally i wouldn't really care-but-he's 15. I know other people who totally screwed up their life once they tried it (either by moving on to worse drugs, or by letting their grade average drop from 4.0 to 1.5)
he wouldn't listen though.

idk. lol. I don't think that trying weed when you're 15 will lead to positive consequences.

Are there any serious risks by starting to smoke pot at that age?

thanks.

 

[Toad]

Serious risks include awesome sex and good times...

Let him do whatever he wants. You're not his mommy. If you tell him not to do it, he'll want to do it even more.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Unfortunately, Crabs is right. There's really nothing you can do to stop him if he is determined to try it. I first tried it around that age but didn't get seriously into it until college. There's really no way to predict how it will affect him.

 

[flow]

15 is a bit young. I'd just keep your eye on him over the course of the next few years.. He might be fine, he might need help. However, you should probably smoke weed with him for moral support (and because it's great). Smoke in moderation! I usually smoke at night after doing everything I had to do during the day. Such a great way to relax and reflect.

 

[motrhead]

Okay, smoking it with him is not good advice. You have to think for yourself, and he doesn't need moral support. Having smoked it myself as a teenager, I quite frankly wish I had never touched it, but that's just me. To each their own, but do you need to go through life trying to escape from reality? Reality can be pretty freakin' great. I'm not adverse to having a couple of beer myself, but I like the taste of beer, and I don't get drunk as a rule or try to escape reality.
Fifteen year olds do not have the judgement to properly make such a major decision. In moderation it *shouldn't* hurt you, but honestly, isn't this more about him trying to be cool? You can be just as cool choosing not to smoke anything, including cigarettes. Individuality is way cooler to me than doing stupid things to fit in. Isn't smart more attractive than dumb?
Yes, I was the messed up teen, and yes I did it. So I can't judge, I can only offer my advice in retrospect. It's interesting, but it's not that great, and the baggage that comes with it isn't worth the trouble IMHO. It's also kind of fun to see the surprise when you choose to say no. It's very empowering to be an individual. I get more of a thrill from emotional music or an adrenaline rush, and I don't have to worry about losing control.

 

[Latro]

I don't have any experience with it, but I think it partly depends on his rationale--which you probably will not be able to get out of him yourself. If he's doing it to be cool, that will almost certainly end badly. If he's doing it for some solo introspection or perhaps just relaxation, it could have minimal if any consequences. It depends on this and a lot of other things.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I'm not sure how much influence you'll have over him. If you tell him flatly not to do it, it may have the opposite result. I would encourage him to be reasonable and not overdue it.

It can cause brain damage at his age, since he's still developing. Also he should avoid it if there is any history of schizophrenia in his family.

"Thus if a young person is genetically at risk for schizophrenia, the research suggests, the use of marijuana can cause the same kind of damage the schizophenia would cause, which could bring on the illness when it might otherwise have not have emerged, cause earlier onset, and/or worsen the condition."

My grandma is schizophrenic, so personally I won't touch the stuff.


@reverse: My response got caught in the filter.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

People who smoke weed before their 20s are more likely to develop schizophrenia. And the earlier you start before 20, the more likely it is. Of course, he may not start smoking daily, but I know how seductive it can be.

And for the record, I am pretty pro-weed. I got through engineering school smoking every other day, but I still hold the stubborn belief that it's unwise to smoke before college. (Although senior year second semester of HS is fine too.)

The first time I was exposed to weed was in high school during my sophomore year. Two of my friends were smoking- a semester later one of them had dropped out. The other had always been a slacker, and stayed about the same.

Schizophrenia link: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

@adair: mine too! It's annoying that anyone trying to bring references to the table gets caught... there should really be a checkbox for each user that a mod can check, for "not a spammer".

 

[fullerene]

I've never smoked it, so I can't comment on that, or anything... but I will say that you probably have a better chance to watch out for him if you don't strongly discourage it or anything right now. I mean... your odds of suddenly convincing him not to try it, if he wants to, seem pretty slim. And after he tries it, if it ruins his life (assuming he doesn't realize it--and most people don't, for a while), he'll always remember you as that person who didn't respect him and tried to act like his mom, when you aren't.

Whereas if you don't try to force it now, there's a good chance he'll keep his respect for you, and you can see where it goes. If it's not a problem, then it's not a problem. If it is a problem, you can say "look at all the ways you've changed over the past few years.... do you like your life heading in this direction?" -- and he's more likely to listen to that, since it's talking about things that have been happening, rather than things that "may" happen.


...that's at least how I think I'd think about it, anyway. I may very well just be making excuses, though. It's probably a complicated game-time decision that has to be made, based on how likely you think you are to convince him never to try it (taking into consideration how sure you are that it's a good thing you convince him never to, etc), how likely it is to ruin his life, and whether he'll listen more to speculative argument and risk/benefit calculations, or empirical evidence of his change (and memory of what he used to think like, and want out of life, and things like that)

 

[phantome]

I'm not acting like his mom i believe that the only thing i said to him on the subject is that i don't think that its a really good idea and then told him why (first post)

i am not completely against him trying it either, due to the fact that i haven't smoked weed i'm not sure how it will affect him.

I'm just not sure if smoking pot is worth it =/

 

[Beat Mango]

I tried it a few times when I was about 15, didn't like it, stopped doing it.

 

[drumir93]

My friends been smoking since he was 13 and he's happier than he's ever been. Iv'e gotten countless contact highs and only smoked once. Like most addictive things(beer, ciggaretts,even coffee) I don't particularly care for it. I can't say i recommend starting it, mainly for financial reasons.But honestly, trying it once never hurt anybody.Coffee is a HELL of a lot more dangerouse than weed, thats a fact.

 

[motrhead]

Coffee is a HELL of a lot more dangerouse than weed, thats a fact.

Um, no. Coffee doesn't cause lung disease or memory loss. It may actually have beneficial side effects, but they keep changing their mind every few years. It's definitely not dangerous, and a hot black cup could save an asthmatic's life.
Plus coffee won't make you into a fat couch potato

 

[Toad]

What do you mean "unfortunately" IB? lol

Weed is so harmless it makes me laugh when people talk about it like it's some kind of crazy drug. 100 joints is about as harmful as one beer. AND THAT IS A FACT.

Also, weed may clean out carcinogenic cells in your body by rapidly aging them.

The only thing about weed is when you smoke it at a young age you become lazy and unmotivated.

Remember, the only reason weed is illegal is because the logging industry is scared of the potential for hemp replacing trees as a better source of...well...EVERYTHING.

 

[Latro]

What do you mean "unfortunately" IB? lol

Weed is so harmless it makes me laugh when people talk about it like it's some kind of crazy drug. 100 joints is about as harmful as one beer. AND THAT IS A FACT.

Also, weed may clean out carcinogenic cells in your body by rapidly aging them.

The only thing about weed is when you smoke it at a young age you become lazy and unmotivated.

Remember, the only reason weed is illegal is because the logging industry is scared of the potential for hemp replacing trees as a better source of...well...EVERYTHING.

That's an exaggeration. Weed is probably one of the least harmful controlled substances around, but you've been fed propaganda too.

Edit: lol, I put "least harmless" by mistake...

 

[Toad]

Ok...maybe I exaggerated a little. But seriously, having 2-3 joints is probably about the same as having a bottle of beer.

They are doing studies about it's cancer fighting properties though.

 

[drumir93]

Um, no. Coffee doesn't cause lung disease or memory loss. It may actually have beneficial side effects, but they keep changing their mind every few years. It's definitely not dangerous, and a hot black cup could save an asthmatic's life.
Plus coffee won't make you into a fat couch potato

According to a Danish study ,large amounts of coffe consumption has a correlation with stillbirths. Being loaded with caffein it can cause insomnia which ofcourse leads to many other problems its self. It can also damage the lining af certaint digestive organs which can cause ulcers, Not to mention liver disease.

Weed, on the other hand, has no effect on whether there will be a still birth or not.
Although it does reduce reproduction chances, which can be viewed as good or bad, depending on what your aiming for.
Also , marijuana isnt addictive in the same way alcohol and caffeine is. It's addictive more in the same way a videogame or a hobby is. Remeber it's not a drug.

But, I've lead this way off topic and I'm done talking about it.

 

[Latro]

Remeber it's not a drug.

Like hell marijuana (THC and the other cannabinoids in marijuana, rather) is a drug! The definition of a drug is an exogenous substance that is not food or water which alters physiological function in some way. THC fits that definition to a damn tee!

God damn, this pro-weed propaganda has apparently gotten a lot worse than I thought...

 

[Beat Mango]

Also in terms of short term danger: you can drive safely after a cup of coffee, actually all your motor skills are intact, but it wouldn't be safe to drive stoned imo.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Also in terms of short term danger: you can drive safely after a cup of coffee, actually all your motor skills are intact, but it wouldn't be safe to drive stoned imo.

but it's soooo much fun.

And actually- well, if you're stoned you can't drive, you're right. But if you're just kinda baked then you can drive. You do react slower, and process information slower, but you can recognize it really easily, so people who are high tend to drive the speed limit or a little under. I'm a chronic speeder- I'm almost always 10mph or more above the speed limit, but when I'm high and drive I go down to the speed limit. And it's cool, and it still seems like I'm moving at the same pace.

 

[drumir93]

Also in terms of short term danger: you can drive safely after a cup of coffee, actually all your motor skills are intact, but it wouldn't be safe to drive stoned imo.

In your opinion. I'm sorry but your opinion along with mine and everyone elses is irrelivent. If you want to argue with me on what the dictionary definition is and means and how that relates to the issue at hand thats a debate I'll gladly have, and to be honest I'm not even entirely sure I'll win. But when it comes to what is and what isn't opinions always have and forever will mean nothing. I'd like to throw in that I've seen people drive stoned and they drove perfectly fine, but that doesnt necissarily prove anything, it's just a more direct reply to your comment.

Never mind, I just read what reverse transcritase wrote and I'll just say you can count me as agreeing with him.

 

[motrhead]

According to a Danish study ,large amounts of coffe consumption has a correlation with stillbirths. Being loaded with caffein it can cause insomnia which ofcourse leads to many other problems its self. It can also damage the lining af certaint digestive organs which can cause ulcers, Not to mention liver disease.

Weed, on the other hand, has no effect on whether there will be a still birth or not.
Although it does reduce reproduction chances, which can be viewed as good or bad, depending on what your aiming for.
Also , marijuana isnt addictive in the same way alcohol and caffeine is. It's addictive more in the same way a videogame or a hobby is. Remeber it's not a drug.

But, I've lead this way off topic and I'm done talking about it.

Okay, I don't expect you to discuss further. I have read other studies that didn't find these negative effects from coffee, so you pick...
I do know that I have personally seen the results of chronic pot smoking. I have seen a man go from a coherent person to an unintelligable zombie. Luckily after six months clean, he was able to speak again, but I don't think he was ever the same. This was the definition of chronic pot smoking. I used to be a chronic coffee drinker (20+cups a day) and I have never suffered any ill effects.
Chronic pot use can cause tongue and throat cancer. Here is a study showing the risk.
I still don't think it will hurt you in small doses, but it is not free of danger.
To the OP: If someone wants to try it, they will. That's their decision. You have to make your own.

 

[Beat Mango]

In your opinion. I'm sorry but your opinion along with mine and everyone elses is irrelivent. If you want to argue with me on what the dictionary definition is and means and how that relates to the issue at hand thats a debate I'll gladly have, and to be honest I'm not even entirely sure I'll win. But when it comes to what is and what isn't opinions always have and forever will mean nothing. I'd like to throw in that I've seen people drive stoned and they drove perfectly fine, but that doesnt necissarily prove anything, it's just a more direct reply to your comment.

Never mind, I just read what reverse transcritase wrote and I'll just say you can count me as agreeing with him.

You lost me at "marijuana is not a drug".

I would happily debate why opinion don't mean nothing as it's an interesting topic, but the issue at hand is far simpler: I wouldn't get in a car with a driver who was stoned, nor would I drive if I was stoned. If somebody drives stoned with other people in the car I would consider them a lowlife asshole.

 

[Toad]

Well let's just say people will never agree on the issue of marijuana.

Let me put it this way though. If I were to recommend a drug to someone it would be marijuana. Yes, it would be great if we did not desire to do drugs at all, but this is not the case.

So for me it goes like this Marijuana<Alcohol<Tobacco<E<Cocaine<Heroine

I really don't understand how society can still legalize alcohol and not marijuana. It is just so...illogical...

Latro, I know there are adverse side effects of using marijuana, but you have to admit it is much less harmful than alcohol right?

I do know that I have personally seen the results of chronic pot smoking. I have seen a man go from a coherent person to an unintelligable zombie. Luckily after six months clean, he was able to speak again, but I don't think he was ever the same. This was the definition of chronic pot smoking.

I'm sorry I just read this...and I was like, "WTF?!!?"

Are you kidding me? lOl Who is this "man" you know? I don't mean to sound so insulting but I spent over a year smoking 5-6 joints a day, EVERYDAY. Some of the smartest most eloquent speakers I know are "pot heads". I nor they are or were at all incoherent or unintelligable zombies.

Those "pot heads" you see on tv are just extreme exaggerations. Cheech and Chong are the extreme. People who smoke weed do not walk around sounding like idiots.

Once again, if I sound insulting, I don't mean it. It just blows me away what people think marijuana does.

Now alcoholics...they become horrible horrible people.

 

[Latro]

Latro, I know there are adverse side effects of using marijuana, but you have to admit it is much less harmful than alcohol right?

I don't know if I would add the qualifier "much", especially considering the wide variation in dosages of both substances and especially alcohol. But yes, marijuana is probably less harmful, physiologically, than alcohol, given typical doses of each.

I'm sorry I just read this...and I was like, "WTF?!!?"

Are you kidding me? lOl Who is this "man" you know? I don't mean to sound so insulting but I spent over a year smoking 5-6 joints a day, EVERYDAY. Some of the smartest most eloquent speakers I know are "pot heads". I nor they are or were at all incoherent or unintelligable zombies.

Those "pot heads" you see on tv are just extreme exaggerations. Cheech and Chong are the extreme. People who smoke weed do not walk around sounding like idiots.

Once again, if I sound insulting, I don't mean it. It just blows me away what people think marijuana does.

You sure everyone reacts in this way? People's neurochemistry varies widely.

Now alcoholics...they become horrible horrible people.

...Some do. Others don't. Don't generalize.

 

[phantome]

Most alcoholics (at least the severe cases) do, in fact, become horrible people. Crabs does have a point there.

 

[Latro]

Most alcoholics (at least the severe cases) do, in fact, become horrible people. Crabs does have a point there.

He did not say most.

 

[phantome]

He did not say most.

I'm sure he meant it =] I'm not big on the details.

 

[echoplex]

One suggestion that may not have been mentioned is to encourage him to educate himself about it before trying it. Telling him what to do may not work, and it's his life anyway, so doing so really isn't appropriate, imo. I've never touched the stuff, but I'd want to know alot about it if I was ever going to. I think your friend deserves to know what he's getting into.

 

[snowqueen]

I'm not sure how much influence you'll have over him. If you tell him flatly not to do it, it may have the opposite result. I would encourage him to be reasonable and not overdue it.

It can cause brain damage at his age, since he's still developing. Also he should avoid it if there is any history of schizophrenia in his family.

"Thus if a young person is genetically at risk for schizophrenia, the research suggests, the use of marijuana can cause the same kind of damage the schizophenia would cause, which could bring on the illness when it might otherwise have not have emerged, cause earlier onset, and/or worsen the condition."

My grandma is schizophrenic, so personally I won't touch the stuff.

100% correct - it is not a benign drug, for many people it is extremely damaging. I wish I'd never got into it personally and I'm very glad I am out of that scene now. One the more insidious effects of smoking weed is that it gets you into groups of people who may be much less concerned about your interests.

I would ask your friend if he is doing it to try it out or because he wants to develop it as a lifestyle - I would ask him if it is an experiment/investigation or whether he wants to give himself up to a drug. Ask him what he wants to get out of it. Where he thinks it might take him? At least he might start with making a separation between himself and the drug rather than falling it into being part of his identity too quickly.

@ Crabs BTW my sex life got a whole lot better when I stopped smoking dope even though I really did believe it enhanced it while I was smoking - it was a total illusion.

 

[motrhead]

Let me put it this way though. If I were to recommend a drug to someone it would be marijuana. Yes, it would be great if we did not desire to do drugs at all, but this is not the case.
So for me it goes like this Marijuana<Alcohol<Tobacco<E<Cocaine<Heroine

I'm sorry I just read this...and I was like, "WTF?!!?"

Are you kidding me? lOl Who is this "man" you know? I don't mean to sound so insulting but I spent over a year smoking 5-6 joints a day, EVERYDAY. Some of the smartest most eloquent speakers I know are "pot heads". I nor they are or were at all incoherent or unintelligable zombies.

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I agree with your first statement. If you are going to try a drug, definitely make it marijuana. I agree it's the safest there is.
I personally think alcohol is safer in moderation.
I am not kidding you about this guy! He was about 25, his name was John, and 5-6 joints a day couldn't be considered "chronic" compared to him. I have had quite a few friends smoking as much as you did, every day, while working. Everyday. None of them seemed to suffer too bad, but none of them are rocket scientists either. This guy was substantially worse. I wouldn't say his experience was typical, but don't try to tell me it's harmless. I would guarantee he knocked his IQ down a few pegs.
Most of the old pot smokers I know seem to have developed slower brains than normal people. Being somewhat older than you, I probably have older pot smoking friends. Sometimes it isn't pretty.
I smoked it when I was younger, I know what it's like. Thankfully, I could take it or leave it, and I left it. To each their own.
I have ridden in cars with stoned drivers, and while it's often safer than riding with a drunk, I can remember being scared half to death one night; in the back seat of a Ford Pinto left in second gear, and I don't think we topped 35mph.
I don't care if you smoke it: feel free. I totally agree that it is stupid to allow alcohol, but not pot. They should be treated exactly the same, and pot should be legalized, but for adults only.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Also, what MBTI type is this potential pot-smoking 15 year old? It would help us craft our arguments for how to approach it. Guesses are fine.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I am not kidding you about this guy! He was about 25, his name was John, and 5-6 joints a day couldn't be considered "chronic" compared to him. I have had quite a few friends smoking as much as you did, every day, while working. Everyday. None of them seemed to suffer too bad, but none of them are rocket scientists either. This guy was substantially worse. I wouldn't say his experience was typical, but don't try to tell me it's harmless. I would guarantee he knocked his IQ down a few pegs.

A possible explaination here:

Weed, being illegal is not regulated by standards. Rather it is bought and sold on the streets black market style and depends on trusting some rather unsavory characters. It could be laced with PCP or sprayed with pesticides, chemical etc. all of which could explain this effect. Legalizing and then regulating standards could help prevent this sort of thing. Add to it the tax revenues and it makes so much more sense but that's another topic.

 

[motrhead]

Yes, I believe that is what happened to me, and was one of the contributing factors in my choosing to never touch it again. I hallucinated and floated around a room. That was more than I wanted to deal with. I know what I smoked that time was supposed to be "the best ever" , but that was definitely not normal for me. I thrive on reality, and other than during an extremely high fever, have never hallucinated in my life! It introduced an element of fear that was not worth the risk of ever possibly experiencing again.
For me it was supposed to be a fun/recreational drug, but after that it could never be fun. I would guess my experience isn't typical, but once again, it is possible.
Sorry if I sound preachy. To each their own. I have many friends that smoke without any negative effects. I have also seen some negative effects, and that takes it out of the innocuous category for me. Everything in moderation...which is not easy for me, since I'm an all or nothing kind of person.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

A possible explaination here:

Weed, being illegal is not regulated by standards. Rather it is bought and sold on the streets black market style and depends on trusting some rather unsavory characters. It could be laced with PCP or sprayed with pesticides, chemical etc. all of which could explain this effect. Legalizing and then regulating standards could help prevent this sort of thing. Add to it the tax revenues and it makes so much more sense but that's another topic.

It's not cost-effective for the dealer to lace weed with any other drugs- weed is too cheap to justify it. However sometimes dealers piss on their weed. After it dries again the weed has more weight to it, and people can't smell the difference between weed and piss.

 

[Latro]

It's not cost-effective for the dealer to lace weed with any other drugs- weed is too cheap to justify it. However sometimes dealers piss on their weed. After it dries again the weed has more weight to it, and people can't smell the difference between weed and piss.

Weed smells like piss?

 

[phantome]

Also, what MBTI type is this potential pot-smoking 15 year old? It would help us craft our arguments for how to approach it. Guesses are fine.

INTP, i'm 99% sure.

 

[flow]

He's going to love it.. and insist that you try it. It's a good time, but when you're high you're content to do nothing (potentially good OR bad, depending on what you have to do). You'll want to listen to music, watch movies/tv, and eat lots of food. I think the movie 'Walk Hard' said it best (referring to marijuana usage). I couldn't believe how clever that movie was, I recommend it (sorry for being off topic)!

 

[Staywhatyouare]

Yeah if he's an INTP he's definitely going to love it. I say don't make a big deal about it, as long as it doesn't get to the point where it starts affecting his grades or his relationships it's really fine.

 

[Toad]

Yea, like everything...he needs to learn moderation. Suggest that he only smokes it at night after he gets everything done.

 

[phantome]

Wait...so if you're an INTP you're automatically prone to liking weed? =\ why?

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

it just does good things to us. and it's not a perfect correlation, people are still different, but there's a trend of INTP and weed liking eachother.

and yeah, weed is often really stinky (in a good way!) so the smell of dried piss is hard to notice. i'm also not totally sure, I don't *think* I've ever had weed that was pissed on. And it'd be dried piss anyway- so evaporation wouldn't be helping you smell the dissolved urea.

 

[flow]

It's a thought stimulant. It's going to make your mind race. You'll have lots of crazy epiphanies and silly ideas that are just too funny. However, a lot of them aren't actually that brilliant in retrospect.. fun either way!

 

[Staywhatyouare]

Wait...so if you're an INTP you're automatically prone to liking weed? =\ why?

As the others said...it's a thought stimulant. When I smoke in small amounts I find my creative abilities expand infinitely, its much easier for me to write, and am able to be very introspective in a productive way. Some people get paranoid or "too high". With the exception of maybe one of the first times I tried it back in high school I never have this experience.

 

[Android]

My nephew is 15 and I would never be personally responsible for him smoking marijuana in any way. 17/18.. whenever he gets out of school is a better time to start. I don't have any problem with weed.. I just have problems with kids and drugs in any form. I started smoking when I was 19, and have had no real problems from weed except a couple of very scary psychotic episodes, but those even turned out to be positive with enough time passed.

If you don't think it's appropriate behavior for him, discourage it.. end of story. The chance that it will do any good is small, but that's okay. I'd also suggest educating him on drugs in general. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug when the user is educated on drugs in general.. only when they aren't. A lot of new smokers (especially young ones) don't seem to understand the huge difference between relatively benign substances like weed and life wreckers like heroin, coke, meth, etc etc. "Weed was fine and everybody said it was bad! Heroin must be fine too!"

BTW marijuana cures AIDs, Cancer, Herpes, Acne, and boners.

 

[del]

I've never been impressed with weed.

You do get some weird and silly ideas, but yeah, they seem stupid later on. It may effect me differently, but it definitely doesn't "enhance" my thought -- it actually does quite the opposite and just helps me kill an hour or so.

So I've never found it to be anything but a giant waste of time. It turns me into a retard under the delusion that my retarded ideas are brilliant.

That said, it isn't that bad. I mean, despite what some of the enthusiasts will tell you, it is toxic and probably does contain some carcinogens; but on the other hand it's almost certainly not as bad as tobacco, and is probably comparable in terms of health damage as a single drink at a bar (or even less). Plus it isn't addictive.

But it does temporarily turn me into a retard, which IMO is worse, lol.

Using a vaporizer helps with getting rid of some (but not all) of the toxic stuff in it (eg nitrogen oxides). It would also be best if you knew that it was clean and grown in a clean and controlled environment, too.

But really... weed just doesn't do it for me.

 

[Beat Mango]

INTPs necessarily like weed?? Bollocks. Why do potsmokers feel the need to be so idiotically parochial.

 

[drumir93]

INTPs necessarily like weed?? Bollocks. Why do potsmokers feel the need to be so idiotically parochial.

Can you back that up? Obviously we both know it's a generalization, but nothing has even hinted at that to me. Where did you get that idea?

 

[preilemus]

I started at 15, as did most of my friends. myself being an extremely casual user, I can say that it hasnt really had that much of an effect on me, other that it made me more flirty and outgoing since the first time ive tried it.

as for everyone else I know, it pretty much runs their lives. its what they do for fun, its what they're always thinking about, its what they're saving all their money for, its why every story begins with "when we were high".

maybe its ebjoyable to them, but i think the level of obsession it can create is incredibly great. if you're okay with the possibility that weed could become the center of his life, then go ahead and let him

 

[Beat Mango]

Can you back that up? Obviously we both know it's a generalization, but nothing has even hinted at that to me. Where did you get that idea?

Read the last posts by flow, Staywhatyouare and Reverse Transcriptase, and then phantome's post where she seemingly takes it as truth. I would say that it was more than just hinted at.