Views on Vegetarianism

[Cryss Winters]

I often hear that Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice made by other INTPs. Not all, of course, but a substantial amount. I’ve thought of becoming a Vegetarian, not because I think eating meat is morally wrong. Morals are subjective. As humans, I think we have enough intelligence to survive without having to kill other creatures.​

This is another thread that Could go into a Health Section, but we don't have one...​

 

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This is another thread that Could go into a Health Section, but we don't have one...​

It's another thread we already have one of too....

 

[Cryss Winters]

It's another thread we already have one of too....

...well... if we had a health section I would see it!
... >.> ...​

 

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http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=4210&highlight=vegetarianism

There you go.

(hint: there's a search feature

 

[Vegard Pompey]

I wish I could be a vegetarian, but I'm so damn lazy.

 

[GarmGarf]

I’ve thought of becoming a Vegetarian, not because I think eating meat is morally wrong. Morals are subjective. As humans, I think we have enough intelligence to survive without having to kill other creatures.

But morality is subjective, so so what? You haven't presented an argument to justify why killing animals is a bad thing (were you implying that it is a given?).

Or are you suggesting that having to kill other animals is a weakness or something?



(Will we merge this thread with the other vegetarian one, if that is possible?)

 

[Death]

I wish I could be a vegetarian, but I'm so damn lazy.

Yes,me too.My laziness also gets in my way of living enviroment-friendly,the amount of work done to reduce my co2 foot print.

I want become vegetarian (lactovegetarian or pescatarian) for health reasons alone,have more antioxidant,immune system and you know,things that keep my mind and brain healthy.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

I think INTP is one of the only personality subtypes capable of doing vegetarian the proper way. Vegetarian is an incomplete system. The body NEEDS vitamin B12, that is not found in any plant source.

 

[Carnap]

I feel best when not eating meat. But sometimes I feel a need to have some. Like chimpanzees, they eat 1 per cent of their diet as meat and the rest is fruits and leafies.

Meat gets stuck in the intestines and decreases absorption of vitamins and minerals from other foods, causes constipation, etc. It also makes the pH of the blood acid as opposed to a healthy alkaline. Green leafy veggies make it alkaline. I feel best on a mostly raw diet of greens and fruits with some non wheat breads.

I ideally only eat meat when I'm in a desperate situation (travelling, too stressed to make my other food, etc)

Once you eat simpler foods, you appreciate them. I can eat an entire bag of baby spinach with no dressing or anything and it tastes awesome.

P.S. other animals get B12 from insects and bacteria they accidentally ingest with plant material, but as an aseptic society it needs to be supplemented if you go full vegan.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

The only real measures I've taken for my diet is I only eat red meat 3 times a month at most and I try to avoid gluten at all costs. Gluten does some very real damage to my insides when I eat it for more than 3 days in a row. Gluten leeches nutrients out of the system, especially folate/folic acid, one of the most important nutrients for mental and nervous system health, its why they have to enrich wheat flours.

 

[Mysfitt]

The only real measures I've taken for my diet is I only eat red meat 3 times a month at most and I try to avoid gluten at all costs. Gluten does some very real damage to my insides when I eat it for more than 3 days in a row. Gluten leeches nutrients out of the system, especially folate/folic acid, one of the most important nutrients for mental and nervous system health, its why they have to enrich wheat flours.

This is interesting. I have a similar diet, but for different reasons. I've mostly quit eating meat, simply because I don't like the way it makes me feel. I still eat fish and some chicken because it seems to agree with my system moreso than other meats. I ate a bit of pork at dinner and have been dealing with the consequences all night :-/

I also don't eat much gluten, but I must admit that it's because my wife is Celiac. I'm the cook, so I make sure that we get well-balanced, nutritious meals. I know that I derive some health benefit from the diet and have felt a noticeable increase in my energy level since implementing all these dietary changes. I honestly haven't researched it that much though, other than gluten related research.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

Gluten makes me as tired as if I smoked weed all day but without getting high and more depression and my skin breaks out really bad from it. It takes a day or 2 in my system before it happens and I also notice that whenever I have a wound it heals much slower with gluten in my system. It is a junk protein to me, maybe even a mild poison.

 

[Mysfitt]

Gluten makes me as tired as if I smoked weed all day but without getting high and more depression and my skin breaks out really bad from it. It takes a day or 2 in my system before it happens and I also notice that whenever I have a wound it heals much slower with gluten in my system. It is a junk protein to me, maybe even a mild poison.

Actually, it might well be a poison to you. You should get checked for Celiac. A simple blood test can confirm it. The major symptom that my wife exhibited was a severe lack of energy. To the point where I'd have to wake her up to feed her. After the dietary change she was back to her usual hyper self within a few weeks, and showed improvement within days. Celiac is a very serious auto-immune disorder and is vastly underdiagnosed. It's estimated that approximately 10% of Caucasians have it.

I do believe that humans were not particularly meant to consume the bread grains. Furthermore, I'd caucus with the folks that believe that greens, veggies, and fruits, are probably the easiest foods for us to digest and provide the most nutrition that our bodies can use. True, we do need some protein and nutrients only found in meat, but 2-4 ounces a day is plenty.

 

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Furthermore, I'd caucus with the folks that believe that greens, veggies, and fruits, are probably the easiest foods for us to digest

I think it might be different for different people. I know of quite a few greens that turn me into a wind tunnel. I also better have an antacid before going to bed or heartburn might kick in something fierce.

I do believe that humans were not particularly meant to consume the bread grains.

Again, different for different people. Whole grains have shown to be quite beneficial (for those who can digest it). Just a hypothesis I thought up while responding to this, perhaps everyone has something that bothers, upsets their digestive system in some way or other. Lactose intolerant, Celiac, upset stomach after consuming certain types of meat. One thing I'm reasonably certain of is that what's a good diet for one, may not be as good for another. There's no one size fits all.

 

[Zero]

I have trouble digesting certain meats, sometimes beaf and/or chicken. I like fish and pork though. Sushi. Mmm sushi. I don't like the taste of fowl much.

Mmm shark...

....*Thought jump thanks to avatar*

Mmm Pudding...

Cake...

Chocolate...

 

[Vrecknidj]

My wife has Celiac. It killed her father, it ruined a huge chunk of her life. If you have a wheat problem and don't know if you have Celiac, check it out.

Dave

 

[Vrecknidj]

Morals are subjective.

No.

Dave

 

[Vrecknidj]

The primates that we're the most closely related to eat meat, and our ancestors pretty much couldn't get their protein needs without eating meat. From which, of course, it does not follow that we have to follow in their footsteps. But, evolutionarily speaking, humans are meat eaters.

Insofar as choice and morals and all that are concerned, I get the vegetarian arguments. But I like steak.

Dave

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

Supposedly I was tested for celiac once and it didn't come up with anything but I know theres problems, its not severe like a lot of people that have celiac but its enough to mess me up if I don't watch what I eat. I'm thinking about getting a 2nd opinion at some point. Its also possible it could have something to do with yeasts as well since gluten and yeast are almost always found in conjunction. I will still consume meat as its my best source of protein. Wish I could eat fish more often. Sushi is one of my favorites.

 

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No.

Dave

Having a single-word response to "morals are subjective" is absurd. A lot of things prescribed to the domain of morality are extremely subjective and based on culture. It's immoral for an American woman to walk around topless when they're not at a nude beach. It's immoral for religious Afghan men to not have a beard. It's immoral for Jewish boys not to have their foreskin cut off (unless they are at risk of being hemophiliacs. <3 Torah!). In early christianity it was moral to kill non-believers. Some societies believed it was moral to cut off the right hand of a thief.

Your point about gluten problems is good though. I have a friend who can't eat gluten, and he has a lot of hassle finding food.

 

[Zero]

Saying "No" to "Morals are subjective" is like saying "I'm A Feeling Type" (Or "I'm suspiciously religious").

Heh. Heh.