vices

[moonpie]

I want to know what vices you folks have. I have a few: smoking, smoking, drinking. I wanted to see if any of you others fell for these tricks. I know I am supposed to be uber rational, but yes I do smoke a pack day. How about younz?

 

[Ermine]

Probably the internet and staying in my comfort zone.

 

[Dissident]

I have a strong tendence to avoid anything that is adictive, so no smoking, no drugs, no drinking, etc. Some would say i spend too much time with the computer but its not an adiction, i think the posibility to have so much information available at any time is very attractive to us INTPs, still, i can and i do turn it off to read a book or go out with my friends without any problem.

The real reason probably is that wanting to quit something and not being able to would be hell to me. How can i control anything if i cant control myself? how can i be objective? etc.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

Marijuana and to a lesser extent alcohol, but im slowly working on phasing those out

 

[wreckoning]

I don't smoke, drink or use any drugs. Never have. Like Dissident I am wary of addictive things.

My vice is probably speed. It's an outlet that creates considerable risk and costs me plenty in tickets each year. I "say" I could stop speeding, and I do for short periods of time - I don't feel the need to do 90kph in a 40kph school zone - but I am not sure how accurate that really is without testing.

 

[loveofreason]

I'd say I'm addicted to escaping reality *sigh* My definition here of reality being the extreme mundane drudgery of 'normal' life.

I've experimented and discovered that yes, certain substances can hold me in their thrall. By the end of my twenties I'd disentangled myself, so what remains are my non-material vices. ...can behavioural and attitudinal issues be considered vices?

 

[andrew]

I eat sporadically. A meal today. Two tomorow. None the next day. In the last 48 hours I have had one and a half meals but other days I eat tons. I'm not sure if thats related to being an INTP though.

Like Dissident said staying away from addictive stuff, although I don't mind a bit of vodka in my drink now and then (like a table spoon not nearly enough to get intoxicated).

I am overly frank. I don't dance around problems. This isn't a problem for me, actually I wish everyone was frank. It seems to be a problem for others. I understand why others think it's a problem but frankly I find their reasoning for this pretty stupid.

I over analyze. Think about mundane situations in insane detail.

Like loveofreason I often escape reality, think about different posibilities, futures ect.

 

[Frosty]

Good red wine, a large medium steak and some fries. Heaven!

 

[loveofreason]

oooh yeah! Chips! (aka fries) How could I forget? I'm an absolute sucker for squid and chips!

I recant my proffessed indifference to material temptation

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

sleep

 

[Vrecknidj]

Stubbornness and chocolate.

Dave

 

[Linsejko]

^+fine salsa.

.L

 

[moonpie]

Yeah, I only ask because for the past few it seems that my vices have overwhelmed me. Whatever combination of letters is our shadow-the exft or whatever-the state we reach when we can't handle our emotions and explode-that state is easier to glimpse when drunk or exteptionally stoned or even sometimes in the first cigarette of the morning or last of the night or 23rd of the day. It is sometimes easier to reside in that state because in that state all that matters is yourself and your feelings or others feelings. What is really going on-the concrete reality that all of us live in more than others-hence our total fucked upness- fades away and all there is is the immediacy of emotion and the splash of immediate consciousness.

I only asked because I have become over the past three years a 1 1/2 to 2 pack a day smoker(to non smokers-that is a lot. there are roughly 20 cigs to a pack) I drink myself to dementia and am a daily potser. I just can't handle the hopelessness of the truth and vices are a good way to escape that for me.

Fuck knows what the point of this reply is. I remember I was probably stoned and set out this thread to see if I was the only one out here that couldn't handle it sometimes and had to get out of it or if everyone was comfortable in their own worlds enough that they didn't have to escape them.

Hell, I am on the last of my sixer today. I just wish things were better.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Occasional smoking, toking and drinking, as well as prostitution, murder and/or rape.


OK, so I'm joking, but the first three are true.



P.P. (post posting) No subject is too taboo for a joke.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

midnight conversations

 

[Quest for Liberty]

radio, I know exactly what you mean, but post midnight is my problem, talking starts at 9pm, go till 3 or 4... yeah, bad news, lol.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

encountering the police, not getting in trouble, and then somehow sneaking back into my house without my parents noticing.

 

[Oziriz]

Excessive binge drinking I guess, i.e. getting very drunk to shitfaced at least once every weekend, I rarely miss a weekend... And then a few beers with the food during the week if I cook something good. And I suspect it all stems from what loveofreason said, I do anything to escape reality. Weed works too, but it's quite hard to get hold of good stuff in my city so I don't do much of that.

Oh yeah, I smoked cigs for 2 years, but I quit quite recently...

 

[Anti-socialite]

Marijuana and to a lesser extent alcohol, but im slowly working on phasing those out

Me neither. Toke one for me.

 

[Saturnine]

I smoke a lot. I smoke cigarettes, and weed. I also like to get drunk, but not that often, and never without weed. I'm also an avid tea/coffee drinker, I feel better having a warm mug in my hand.

I also could not survive without my favorite bands...and occasionally I go on week long drawing spurts and can focus on nothing else.

 

[Jordan~]

The Internet. I think I ought to need a passport to go outside by now.

 

[Radioactive_Springtime]

I gave up pot. Don't think I'm gonna use it in the forseeable future. Alcohol on the other hand I found I'm good at. I drank about 10 shots of whiskey in 20 minutes. Though I'm scared to hell of becoming an alcoholic.

 

[Saturnine]

I could never give up pot. I don't smoke that often cause I'm afraid I'll get sick of it or build a tolerance. I do wanna quit the cigarettes though!

 

[Agent Intellect]

i drink a lot. i don't know if its so much an INTP thing as just a physical addiction though. i'm incredibly introverted when sober, i keep my bedroom door closed so my roomates don't bother me, i hate when people come in my room even though i really have nothing to hide, and i can't for the life of me make small talk (although i LOVE talking about philosophic and scientific issues with people) but when i drink, its like liquid courage. i get a little in me and i just get almost confrontational. i think one of the reasons i like drinking so much is because it helps me to turn off the incessant inner monologue that i constantly experience. i don't know if anyone else experiences that, it might just be me lol.

 

[PreAlgebra]

Oh I can definitely relate to shutting up that monologue with alcohol, Agent Intellect. I drink a lot to cope with many things including dealing with emotion and not having any form of support so I use alcohol as a crutch. I also smoke only when I am feeling particularly self-destructive. My biggest vice is music. It is always there for me, it helps with the loneliness and understanding emotions, and I know it will never hurt me. I am a huge music junkie and could not manage with out it. Maybe I really should give it up because I really am dependent on it. I literally have one headphone in my ear a good 12 hours a day while being productive in the real world (i.e. while having a conversation, during class, when watching movies.)

 

[grettiron]

My biggest vice is music.

i pretty much always have something playing as well, but i wouldn't call it a vice! emotional regulator, inner dialogue muzzle, distraction, or just for pleasure maybe... i've met one or two people who claim, "i don't really listen to music," which i cannot understand.

i also drink a lot, but am also trying to tone it down, mostly because it's a waste of time and money - not to mention brain cells. i will probably never go stone cold sober though because i do love the taste of a good brew!

when i'm feeling overwhelmed by an incessant loop in my head or downward spiral of toxic thoughts i will tend to start pounding beers. i am aware of this behavior may not be healthy, but at those moments i don't care.

i've never been too impressed with weed. not for me i guess.

i also watch too much porn not sick stuff mind you, just mostly tube8 these days...

 

[Jesin]

I don't really listen to music

EDIT: But I've been trying it out recently and the above may change.

 

[PreAlgebra]

Music is definitely a vice for me. I rely on it to function and cope with the world in a manner that could definitely be seen as unhealthy. I use music as a support and I might be a stronger person if I didnt need it so much.

 

[EditorOne]

"Fuck knows what the point of this reply is. I remember I was probably stoned and set out this thread to see if I was the only one out here that couldn't handle it sometimes and had to get out of it or if everyone was comfortable in their own worlds enough that they didn't have to escape them."


I'd be amazed if anyone ever escaped the "I can't handle this" thing, although it seems a lot of you who are getting insight while young into INTPness stand a better chance of getting through it without damage, unlike those of us who just thought we were aberrations, mutants, or social misfits up to somewhere around midlife. However, I think "vice" is not exactly the word; more like "escapes" or "coping devices" or something.

I used to smoke, gave it up. Used to drink to excess, gave it up. Drugs, I don't remember, but keep in mind I'm a child of the 60s.....

It gets easier to give up "vices" as you get older, they take a lot of energy out of your aging body...

 

[Ogion]

I found it actually quite easy in my 21 young years () not needing these 'coping devices' in the first place. And i don't inted to.

Ogion

EDIT: Just wanted to make a stance here for the (few, it seems) sober ones

 

[severus]

I'm addicted to Harry Potter. Seriously. It's out of control.

 

[Perseus]

The worst vice is hubris or pride. I am not sure what happens to the sufferer, but they donlt half cause a lot of problems for their victims.

 

[tfa1]

No smoking, drugs, or drinking, but I'm a lazy internet junkie. When I'm not on the internet I'm probably asleep or at school.

 

[Fleur]

Internet and - sometimes - being a total jerk.

 

[PreAlgebra]

I think I might use pot as a vice if it didnt make me overwhelmingly cerebral. Thank you very much, but I am quite good at doing that on my own.

 

[Agent Intellect]

I think I might use pot as a vice if it didnt make me overwhelmingly cerebral. Thank you very much, but I am quite good at doing that on my own.

i never found marijuana to make me more cerebral. everytime i've ever smoked, i just get really spacey and can't seem to pay attention to conversations very well without just thinking about something they said 10 seconds earlier extremely intently and just forgetting the subject lol. thats why i'd rather drink (which i'm doing as we speak) because alcohol is like liquid courage to me: it allows me to become a little more extraverted about my opinions (and often gets me into religious arguments with my friend, who's a christian).

 

[fullerene]

oh geez... i can't even imagine trying to argue religion with a drunk person...

 

[Jordan~]

"A bottle of whiskey, please - I'm going to Speakers Corner!"

 

[grrreg]

let's see...sugar, then it was smoking...then drinking....then smoking pot...then outdoor sex...now i think i'm back to sugar

 

[grrreg]

I'm addicted to Harry Potter. Seriously. It's out of control.

that was me a couple years ago until i went to a convention...

 

[freespirit]

Smoking (cigarettes). Gave up drugs and alcohol 16 years ago - when they almost killed me. I was an alcoholic, still am, just don't drink. I've found that learning to live with myself has been an exciting and challenging addiction for me.

 

[Perseus]

Fornication - you mean like animals .... Urgh !!!

 

[Saturnine]

I'm tryin to quit smoking, I had 4 ciggs today (1/3 less then I'm used to)...my last one was about 2 hours ago and I'm already going crazy. I don't think I'll survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm probably not getting out of bed this week cause I'm sure I'll be in a wicked bad mood and be tempted to hurt someone lol.

 

[Agent Intellect]

the saddest thing for me is even when i'm going to buy alcohol (which i'm going to do here in a minute) i can keep telling myself that i shouldn't, but i'll do it anyway.

 

[fullerene]

oh geez... I do that all the time... in conversation as well as vices. I was watching Scrubs the other day and JD thought to himself "under no circumstances should you actually say what you're thinking..." and then says it, and it causes all sorts of problems. haha that's so me.

 

[Agent Intellect]

i have rather the opposite problem in conversation. at least, in conversations in larger groups or to my boss lol. i'll think of something i really want to say to them but i don't say it, then i spend the next hour thinking "i should have said it!" generally that happens when it comes to my snide or sarcastic jokes, which i have no problem saying with my close friends, but i guess i worry that people won't understand my sense of humor.

 

[grettiron]

the saddest thing for me is even when i'm going to buy alcohol (which i'm going to do here in a minute) i can keep telling myself that i shouldn't, but i'll do it anyway.

mmm i go buy beer and i get excited! i don't consider myself an alcoholic, or dependent or anything though.

i may have a physical addiction to milk tho . i get hard cravings for it... mmmm so good.

i have an obsessive personality, but it doesn't seem to mean i'm addicted to harmful substances. lifting and milk i am addicted to though.

 

[Mattt]

I'm tryin to quit smoking, I had 4 ciggs today (1/3 less then I'm used to)...my last one was about 2 hours ago and I'm already going crazy. I don't think I'll survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm probably not getting out of bed this week cause I'm sure I'll be in a wicked bad mood and be tempted to hurt someone lol.

I wrestled with the smoking thing for years.
Eventually I decided to give up, and surprisingly, it was easy.
Much much easier than nico-patch adverts tell you.

The technique I used was to continually tell myself that, every contiguous non-smoking hour/day/week I accrue, I will want, need and enjoy smoking less and less.
The longer I go without, the easier it will be.
sounds simple but as someone who tried giving up many many times, this worked for me. Cold turkey.
Oh, and this might not be helpful, I often hanker for a smoke. Once a smoker, always a smoker. Don't expect to not want to smoke.

 

[Agent Intellect]

I wrestled with the smoking thing for years.
Eventually I decided to give up, and surprisingly, it was easy.
Much much easier than nico-patch adverts tell you.

The technique I used was to continually tell myself that, every contiguous non-smoking hour/day/week I accrue, I will want, need and enjoy smoking less and less.
The longer I go without, the easier it will be.
sounds simple but as someone who tried giving up many many times, this worked for me. Cold turkey.
Oh, and this might not be helpful, I often hanker for a smoke. Once a smoker, always a smoker. Don't expect to not want to smoke.

two reasons i never picked up smoking. first, when i was younger (middle school aged) i kept getting soar throats that the doctor said was because both of my parents were chain smokers (and my mom said "the doctor can't tell me what to do" on the car ride home after he suggested that she start smoking outside) and second, because i have such an addictive personality that i know if i started smoking, i'd never quit.

 

[Dissident]

i have such an addictive personality that i know if i started smoking, i'd never quit.

Its the opposite for me, I actually have entertained the idea of starting to smoke just to see if I could quit (Im confident I would).