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You are right, words, my bad. I was thinking of one thing, but expressed them entirely wrong.

I change my statement to suppressed auxiliary function. Meaning you started using Ne more, not Ti.

But no matter, I don't really have an opinion as to your type. INTP doesn't seem unlikely.

Spaceyeti is definitively ENXJ.

Also, lobstrich has a directive personality. When he sees something, he sticks to it.

A lot of edits, I know. But he also have a strong Fi.
 

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SpaceYeti: Someone who is structured externally rather than internally. Some sort of J. Not sure if Fe or Te, but I'd go with Fe since I see a lot of Ti in his posts. xxFJ.
... Really?! That's what I project here? And what's with people guessing J all the time? Sure, perhaps I'm more J than many of you, but I'm so not J it's funny! And how would you imagine I'm an F? I mean, hell, it's possible I'm wrong, but I've read all of the descriptions and how the system works, and I'm as sure as I'm comfortable admitting that I'm either INTP or ENTP. I couldn't claim I pay enough attention to people to attempt to type anyone else, but here goes;

Bird; INFP
Minuend; INFP
Cheese ENTP
The person reading this; ESFPB&J
 

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how come i was skipped :(
 

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Hmmm, I am curious what my online persona comes across as, but I imagine that since I am not one of you 2000 plus members I have not been around long enough.
 

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I already did you, Fallenman D: I will add adaptive.

Eeelie, I have no idea. Probably INTP?

I haven't read much by awaken, but first impression -> INTJ

... Really?! That's what I project here? And what's with people guessing J all the time? Sure, perhaps I'm more J than many of you, but I'm so not J it's funny! And how would you imagine I'm an F? I mean, hell, it's possible I'm wrong, but I've read all of the descriptions and how the system works, and I'm as sure as I'm comfortable admitting that I'm either INTP or ENTP. I couldn't claim I pay enough attention to people to attempt to type anyone else, but here goes;

I think quite a few of use uses a slightly different system than that which you have read about. We don't use descriptions at all, because we think that same functions can manifest quite differently.

For instance ENFP all have Ne - Fi - Te - Si

Often ENFPs are seen as enthusiastic and outgoing. They might suddenly start laughing in the middle of a conversation because they connected something you said to something humorous (Ne). Now, ENFPs has Fi as their auxiliary function. Most then think that enFp uses feelings and feelings only to reason. This is not the case. Some have a strong Fi that somewhat drowns Ne, which can result in bigger weight on what one feel is right and wrong, and somewhat disregard context and reasons for action/ thought.

But if the ENFP has a strong Te, which would be the case if I were one, it would use that "logic" function well. I say "logic" because even though Ti and Te are fond of logic, their users can be poor at reasoning still. Anyway, this makes two ENFPs very different. One wouldn't be concerned with consistent thinking, more with values. While others could be more into science and logic.

So, it's not as simple as that person uses logic and that one over there is an emotional wreck.

Also, what I have written here might be inaccurate, but I hope at least you can see kinda how we think. Of course, then there's pod'lair which have it's own system.

J, directive personality, doesn't need to have an organized external environment.

Your logic is more straight to the point, while those adaptive jumps around more often. They start writing one thing, then jumps to another. You have a clear idea and are more of a no-nonsense type. This can make you appear quite rigid to adaptive personalities. Your opinions seem often more down and settled than the adaptive, even though it doesn't need be the case.

There are individual differences, so typing is a difficult.

What do you mean by this? I am not lashing out, I am not being irrational.. I'm only curious.. Objectively, cool-headedly, logically and calmly curious. Nothing more.

I mean that you are an J.
 

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Interesting. Your assessment seems to be that, since I don't act like an INFJ, I must be an INFJ? I've been told I'm an INTJ before (I think Cognisant made this most heinous of accusations) but I think this is the first time I've been called a feeler. I'm not saying you're wrong - I have severe social anxiety and atypical depression, so perhaps that would make Ti seem more 'developed' than Fe?

I'll say first off that a lot of this is a paraphrase of things I have discussed with Adymus before. I wouldn't want to steal credit where it isn't due me. I'm also just being speculative, INTP for you is probably an obvious pick AI, it just almost seems too obvious :P

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Yeah, kind of. But I believe what I'm describing is a natural tendency for INFJs in our Western environment. INFJs mostly grow up feeling isolated which tends towards developing the tertiary Ti. I could give a few possible reasons: it's internal, so doesn't require external stimulus for development; by disassociating the Fe, or hiding it in Ti, it suppresses the function that would cause more social anxiety and helps to "level out" emotions so to speak. I suffer from social anxiety as well. People seem to assume INFJs are "emotional" people when really that is far from the truth, in my opinion. They are more prone to appear schizoid precisely because they try to reign in more control over themselves.


Regarding what I was saying about your tendency towards accuracy. If Ni was your dominant function, it is something that literally springs ideas out of no where. Unfortunately, for INFJs, we don't live in a time where we could just say "God has shown me the way!" and be taken seriously. We have to provide evidence for our claims, so Ti as an internal source of logic makes sense as something to be overmodulated. INFJs who over-develop their Ti often become mistrustful of their Ni to the point that they won't believe anything without strong Ti backing it up. I remember you saying before that you always reference because then at least what you are saying can be traced back to someone else and the ideas they have firmly established. That just made me think tertiary Ti, for some reason.

As for INTJ, I don't personally believe you are one. For me, there is a clear distinction between Te (the INTJ's auxillary) and Ti (INTP dominant, INFJ tertiary). Te is external logic, which perhaps could best be embodied in empiricism, or objective logic, for sake of practicality. Ti is internal or subjective logic. I think you could even say Ti makes the rules and Te follows them to some extent. Your absurdism, and tendency to just well.. question everything, seems a lot more Ti than Te ;) And again, INTJ's tertiary is Fi, which often makes them doubt their means more on the basis of whether it is right or wrong (in the moral sense) rather than if it is true. Think Ozymandias from Watchmen, the final thing he asks Dr Manhattan is "did I do the right thing?" You seem more concerned with something's truth..

Sorry for making the thread too serious :P
 

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AI's philosophy makes too much sense to be Ti.

Join the INFJs, you know you want to.
 

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Fukyo, I forgot you! :eek:

INTP. Remember being utterly confused in the beginning when you used to prance around (darkly) claiming INFPness. Har. You seemed more INTP than the rest of us.

That said, I'm going off MBTI-ish descriptions rather than clear functions. If I went off functions, I'm not sure. But you kind of seem like a cross between Minuend and AlisaD. I'm wondering if it's an Eastern European thing (? excuse idiocy).

SpaceYeti - I don't mean 'J' in the sense MBTI does. Rather, I mean you lean heavily on external referents to persuade (ie Fe or Te). In fact, this seems to be almost entirely what you do. Which is why you come across so sensible (to me, at least), pragmatic, grounded and so on.

Nothing to do with being organised in life, or bossy, or judgmental. In fact if you were dom Fe for instance, it'd be more about influencing the people around you, enjoying the give-and-take (I think) and so on.
 

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You forgot me too cheese D:

Have I not been feeding you enough? D:
 

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Oh damn.

You type me first! Forum and RL impressions.
 

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Never been called F before.

*shrugs*

It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to play along with typology topics.

It's starting to feel like those unnerving conversations when someone exclaims that they do X because they are a Leo.
 

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Neither have I.

Just spreading the love. <3
 

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Never been called F before.

*shrugs*

It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to play along with typology topics.

It's starting to feel like those unnerving conversations when someone exclaims that they do X because they are a Leo.

Even a zodiac Typology would be useful if people were doing it right.

Astrology is a nice proof that you can randomly allocate a Type to someone and they will believe it and live according to it. MBTI isn't totally random, but it is so damn imprecise in its testing mechanisms that it may as well be. You probably have a 1/3 chance of getting the right thing (3/4 for each dichotomy).

The problem seems to be in the confusion between subjective constructs and objective phenomena.
 

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Oh damn.

You type me first! Forum and RL impressions.

I have no idea what I am talking about but here goes.

INFP

It comes down to INXP, but you definitely seem like a hopeless romantic to me. You develop your Ti not because it comes naturally to you, but because you are attracted to it. This is not to say you are bad at using it.
 

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Even a zodiac Typology would be useful if people were doing it right.

Astrology is a nice proof that you can randomly allocate a Type to someone and they will believe it and live according to it. MBTI isn't totally random, but it is so damn imprecise in its testing mechanisms that it may as well be. You probably have a 1/3 chance of getting the right thing (3/4 for each dichotomy).

The problem seems to be in the confusion between subjective constructs and objective phenomena.

That's not the only problem.
It's based on horribly inductive reasoning.
 

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Ti doesn't come naturally to me? This is news to my memory banks, but I'll be sure to update them. God, all this time I thought Ti was the one thing I could be sure of, since it explained every argument I'd ever had... I guess I was wrong though. *folds tail between legs* (Alright, there isn't quite enough room between my legs, but it's the thought that counts.)

Oblivious: INTJ. Possibly. Focus on external referents.
Hado: INTP/INFJ/INFP. I'm not sure if the perspective-shifting is Ne, or Ni.
Jennywocky: INTP/INFJ
echoplex: INTP, forced to pacify his whole life? So low confidence in Ti, and tendency to defer through Fe.
SkyWalker: Ni something.

Here are some I'd like help on:
Cog:
Decaf:
Proxy:
Jenny:
lor:
Words:
BIGAPPLEPI (impossible)
Minuend:

Many others, but I'd have to think of them first.

Some of you I don't know enough at all to even think about typing.

Also, my guesses are degenerating from reasoned to rubbished.
 

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That's not the only problem.
It's based on horribly inductive reasoning.

I'll leave this one for the Thinkers to battle out, tyvm.

They are dividing naturally according to their observations.

These observations don't necessarily align with the real world.

Such is the nature of Pej. Once you factor in this, the reasoning is sound.
 

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SpaceYeti - I don't mean 'J' in the sense MBTI does. Rather, I mean you lean heavily on external referents to persuade (ie Fe or Te). In fact, this seems to be almost entirely what you do. Which is why you come across so sensible (to me, at least), pragmatic, grounded and so on.

Nothing to do with being organised in life, or bossy, or judgmental. In fact if you were dom Fe for instance, it'd be more about influencing the people around you, enjoying the give-and-take (I think) and so on.
Okay, that makes sense.
 

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I find it funny. Typing each other on a forum for a specific type. Type the pre-typed.
 

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Melllvar: Not very sure. Would sidle towards F.

You bastard. :mad:

Actually I don't care in the least, typology just means so little to me. INTP, ESFJ, something else, who even cares. Also the amusement of thinking you can judge someone's type by their online posting tendencies/habits. I don't think I'd even want to begin to guess unless I'd (at the very minimum) video conferenced with the person for dozens of hours, seen their RL behavior, etc.
 

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It's ok... they skipped me too.
If you don't mind my opinion:

xNxP. Your humor. perhaps some Tea?

echoplex: INTP, forced to pacify his whole life? So low confidence in Ti, and tendency to defer through Fe.
SkyWalker: Ni something.

I totally forgot about echoplex for INTP. Where is he?
I agree with Sky.

judging only on name and vague memory, xxFx.
 

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Yeah, kind of. But I believe what I'm describing is a natural tendency for INFJs in our Western environment. INFJs mostly grow up feeling isolated which tends towards developing the tertiary Ti. I could give a few possible reasons: it's internal, so doesn't require external stimulus for development; by disassociating the Fe, or hiding it in Ti, it suppresses the function that would cause more social anxiety and helps to "level out" emotions so to speak. I suffer from social anxiety as well. People seem to assume INFJs are "emotional" people when really that is far from the truth, in my opinion. They are more prone to appear schizoid precisely because they try to reign in more control over themselves.

These seems to imply some sort of innateness with the functions, like the Id-Ego-Superego of Freudian psychology. Would this theory be useful for making any predictions about a personality type - the gold standard of any theory - or is it just attempting to fit descriptions to people? I guess I'm trying to say that, if you told someone who has never met me that I'm an INFJ, would they be able to predict anything about my personality? Empirically speaking, if someones behavior fits a certain type, doesn't that by definition make them a certain type - unless typology predicts that there is some innate property of the brain that causes these personality types? I've found the literature on typology and neuroscience to be lacking, but the only connection there seems to be is a different between sensors and intuitives (although nothing about whether it's Ne/Ni or Se/Si), and between the usual definitions of intraverted/extroverted, not the MBTI definitions.

Regarding what I was saying about your tendency towards accuracy. If Ni was your dominant function, it is something that literally springs ideas out of no where. Unfortunately, for INFJs, we don't live in a time where we could just say "God has shown me the way!" and be taken seriously. We have to provide evidence for our claims, so Ti as an internal source of logic makes sense as something to be overmodulated. INFJs who over-develop their Ti often become mistrustful of their Ni to the point that they won't believe anything without strong Ti backing it up. I remember you saying before that you always reference because then at least what you are saying can be traced back to someone else and the ideas they have firmly established. That just made me think tertiary Ti, for some reason.

I like to reference because a lot of people around here tend to make baseless claims like they're facts; a reference shows that, even if I'm wrong, I'm at least not baseless :D

I don't mistrust my own ideas - most of what I post is in the philosophy section, which are ideas I have to defend using more ideas. However, I've always had ideas that are more deviating from a topic (my understanding of Ne, being more adaptive) than making intuitive leaps based on available information (my understanding of Ni, being more directive).

As for INTJ, I don't personally believe you are one. For me, there is a clear distinction between Te (the INTJ's auxillary) and Ti (INTP dominant, INFJ tertiary). Te is external logic, which perhaps could best be embodied in empiricism, or objective logic, for sake of practicality.

I would argue that Te is more fitting to me than Fe. My insistence on referencing, particularly with scientific topics, could be my deferring to external or empirical logic. Also, philosophically speaking, my notion that there must be general principles that govern existence as opposed to a solipsistic or idealism based reality is a deferring to external sources of logic/structure. Also, my compulsion to argue things to death (primarily God threads and evolution) would, from my understanding, be more indicative of Fi than Fe (having values or principles that I can't seem to let anyone else disagree with).

Ti is internal or subjective logic. I think you could even say Ti makes the rules and Te follows them to some extent. Your absurdism, and tendency to just well.. question everything, seems a lot more Ti than Te ;) And again, INTJ's tertiary is Fi, which often makes them doubt their means more on the basis of whether it is right or wrong (in the moral sense) rather than if it is true. Think Ozymandias from Watchmen, the final thing he asks Dr Manhattan is "did I do the right thing?" You seem more concerned with something's truth..

Sorry for making the thread too serious :P

I do not disagree with your assessment. What I do disagree with, I guess I could say, is typology as a whole. It's interesting, but it seems to be much more of a philosophical topic than a scientific one - people can argue the finer points of different personalities all day, and nobody could demonstrate that the other person is wrong. I could probably argue that I'm an ESFJ and make a compelling argument, particularly if it's valid to show why my not acting like an ESFJ is an indication that I am just some sort of underdeveloped or repressed version of an ESFJ.

The personality types, scientifically speaking, would have to describe and make predictions about peoples behavior (eg, people of personality type X should have a higher tendency to make decision A when faced with situation R), or describe and make predictions about peoples brains (eg, people of personality type X should have neural activity in area B when given stimulus S).
 

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AI for Ni dom, 2011.

Puffy confused Te for Te+Si.

My vote is for INTJ.

Modern day Descartes, tellin yall how it be.

AI, your Ne vs Ni is socionics Ne vs Ni, which makes you Tw Nb = INTj = INTJ.

MBTI-wise, you are Ni-dom, which is -not- about intuitive leaps, it is totally a self-construction, and has nothing to leap -into- except for itself.
 

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Whoever here types me, and gives a reason for it, will be awarded a cookie*.

I've always been sure I was an INTP, but it would be good to hear what other people have to say.

*Cookie contains cyanide.
 

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Isn't these threads like you are spared if you don't post in them, but if you do, you are fair game?

You have broken the rules already. I'm betting on a P.

I'm quite late in saying this, but, while I see no reason to censor anybody on the topic, I'm sure that if you asked not to be typed most would respect that.


I do not disagree with your assessment. What I do disagree with, I guess I could say, is typology as a whole. It's interesting, but it seems to be much more of a philosophical topic than a scientific one - people can argue the finer points of different personalities all day, and nobody could demonstrate that the other person is wrong. I could probably argue that I'm an ESFJ and make a compelling argument, particularly if it's valid to show why my not acting like an ESFJ is an indication that I am just some sort of underdeveloped or repressed version of an ESFJ.

The personality types, scientifically speaking, would have to describe and make predictions about peoples behavior (eg, people of personality type X should have a higher tendency to make decision A when faced with situation R), or describe and make predictions about peoples brains (eg, people of personality type X should have neural activity in area B when given stimulus S).

The other thing I was going to say seems to have been mostly said above. In particular: "It's interesting, but it seems to be much more of a philosophical topic than a scientific one - people can argue the finer points of different personalities all day, and nobody could demonstrate that the other person is wrong."

It's difficult to reconcile this view with arguing it however, since it seems that if you suggest something in typology it's assumed you're a proponent of the entire concept as truth. When the reality (at least for myself) is closer to saying that "if we take all of this as true, then 'x' logically applies". Same as any other philosophical argument.


Of course, it's fair to argue typology as much as it is any other uncertain concept, but the ambiguous terminology ends up causing it to be like having 30 definitions for solipsism (for example) and nobody really knowing what anybody else is saying when they use the word. Which means most debates are doomed before they even begin.

That's not the only problem.
It's based on horribly inductive reasoning.

It is annoying, yeah.

But deductive reasoning is only as useful as the information that the hypothesis takes as truth. If certain premises' are left as unknowns while utilizing deduction then you can never come to a conclusion based on the information you currently have. (this may be poorly worded...)

I know a lot of people use inductive reasoning to over-generalize their hypotheses, but it can also be used to push the boundaries of the currently known by following through on probability assessment as well. I don't think a lot of progress would be able to be made without it.


On a slightly related note, this made me think of typology somehow.


- - - - - -​


It's really tempting to give 'type suggestions' in this thread, but I think I'll pass. ;)

Hopefully this isn't being derailed with over-seriousness, I can always split the thread if so.
 

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Also, I have no idea what type you are crippli. Though, come to think of it, I find it likely that you are actually a real INTP. I haven't seen any sign of any dominant or axillary feeling function.
Tht's nice. And it's interesting, as I have not told you about what I like to call my issues, so your typing should be relatively unbiased. Perhaps I should send you a PM. There will be a labyrinth for you to solve. Let's see if this changes then.

I'm intrigued by your typing. I wish it to be true! *waves wand*
I could probably argue that I'm an ESFJ and make a compelling argument, particularly if it's valid to show why my not acting like an ESFJ is an indication that I am just some sort of underdeveloped or repressed version of an ESFJ.
I tend to think the base operating system in every human is the ESFJ. And the other types are artificial social constructs.
Minuend: Flying saucers.
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Modern day Descartes, tellin yall how it be.

I don't know... I think Descartes is easily INTP...than most even. To question reality in it's most logical roots is a feat of a very unfettered Ti. Te would rather look at the observable and it would be generally chained by agreed reality. The Cartesian Plane also displays precision in relationships. "I think, therefore I am" is pure deduction and rationalist. Te is more of empiricist and induction.
 

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I'm quite late in saying this, but, while I see no reason to censor anybody on the topic, I'm sure that if you asked not to be typed most would respect that.
Oh no, it's fine to type me. Really, it is. I've grown used to it. It was weird the first time though.

I may learn something. Perhaps about myself, maybe about them, maybe both or even about the typing itself. Or just something to ignore. You will find out if you do. As you see above I didn't bite :)
 

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*hugs cheese*
Thank you for remembering me for something other than my bedroom prowess.

Anyway people are too complex to be sorted into definitive types, it would be more accurate to say, for example, Minuend is an INTP with developed F and J aspects and/or SpaceYeti is a INTJ is a developed P aspect; each part of the MBTI classification is on its own spectrum between the two extremes and if we're to be accurate at all this needs to be accounted for.

Not to mention that people's personalities change with their context and emotional state.
 

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each part of the MBTI classification is on its own spectrum between the two extremes and if we're to be accurate at all this needs to be accounted for.
this implies that a classification of external traits (as implied by a dichotomy/spectrum/gradient, as opposed to functional abstractions which are never a spectrum, but categorically different entities - mixed together) can be accurate at all. i don't see how it possibly could. or maybe that's just my idea of what accurate means.

what can be accurate is determining which of your conscious functions is conditioned to be introverted vs extroverted. and to a much lesser degree, which functions are readily and consciously available. there is more variance (i.e. situative/state-variance) to the latter question.
 

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this implies that a classification of external traits (as implied by a dichotomy/spectrum/gradient, as opposed to functional abstractions which are never a spectrum, but categorically different entities - mixed together) can be accurate at all. i don't see how it possibly could.
Touche
 

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XBOX: INTJ
:confused: <---This guy is confused but don't for a second think I am.

YOU HAVE RUED THE DAY! :storks:

I must be the laziest INTJ on earth.
 

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Everyone is an INFJ.

No reason, you just all are. :D It's a brute fact.

I do think it is possible to see what function we use for typing at least when reading others words. It just seems illogical to say it is impossible to figure out to at least a small extent what type of functions is working its' ass off to do whatever it is doing.

There will be cake at the end for anyone who figures out everyone correctly.
 

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Interesting. I can definitely see how I come across as INTJ.
 

SkyWalker

observing y'all from my UFO. inevitably coming dow
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I'm untypable


j/k
 

Anthile

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Anthile: I dunno, I just always pictured him as a dominant Fi. :confused:
He definitively uses his functions in a untraditional manner, regardless.

>_>
 
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