To dominate or to harmonize?

[TheScornedReflex]

Is that because of the lack of Fi? I expect answers that are based on the inner you, not on me.

Probably. I have Fe, to an extent. Maybe. Does that count?
But you still didn't answer my question. The inner me is wondering about your reasons as to asking your original question.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

What I'm talking about is you playing coop with friends and trying to always have a better character than them while also not helping them out when say they need extra gold or you get a better item than yours for their class, to keep having a better character than theirs.

What if you have a better character than them but still help them out? Would that be a dominating character working in harmony with said team?

 

[Grayman]

What if you have a better character than them but still help them out? Would that be a dominating character working in harmony with said team?

You are arguing small insignificants. Do you have a holistic point to your tangent or are you just arguing?

I believe the excersise was meant to acertain your preference between changing the world around you (dominance) or your preference to changing yourself to the world (harmony). Introvert or Extrovert. But I am not certain.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

You are arguing small insignificants. Do you have a holistic point to your tangent or are you just arguing?

I believe the excersise was meant to acertain your preference between changing the world around you (dominance) or your preference to changing yourself to the world (harmony). Introvert or Extrovert. But I am not certain.

The example he gave us was a game. My example is that you can dominate a game whilst working in harmony with a team. How is that insignificant to the original question asked?

And its spelt exercise and ascertain...

 

[BigApplePi]

@NTJ

I also dislike when people respond with images, so I ask you to not respond with images to my threads as well. If you want say something, say it.

Here is your OP (original post):

If you could only either be in harmony or to dominate, which one would you choose? Gonna give you a hypothetical situation, though not sure how you deal with those.

What about REAL situations? It is sometimes said, "A picture is worth a thousand words." They have their own way of speaking. Suppose I say that is a qualifier to the OP and ask you not to look at the images?

 

[Proletar]

You are arguing small insignificants. Do you have a holistic point to your tangent or are you just arguing?

I believe the excersise was meant to acertain your preference between changing the world around you (dominance) or your preference to changing yourself to the world (harmony). Introvert or Extrovert. But I am not certain.

But on the other hand having the most kills is not the same as leading the team. So the question would more be a question of work or cooperation. It's like jin and jang, sort of. With a little black in the white and a little white in the black.

Expert player or expert leader/teamplayer?

 

[BigApplePi]

@Latte. I thought I'd reply to this complicated post.

I want to ask a slightly differently defined question that is quite similar to the OP.

Okay.

What is personally the most important to you; good synergy and cooperation with teammates, or being the star player of your team?

Depends on whether I'm pressed into conformity or believe the team is headed in an undesirable direction. Either of those choices will have me feeling uncomfortable. Is that an inclusive or or an exclusive one? That is, does A or B = A and B as a possibility?

What do you seek the most and what gives you the most satisfaction?

I withhold my answer for now.

For anyone wanting to answer: please think twice before indulging in exuberant displays of ti-wankery of the sort that could be avoided if you just tried to understand the intent behind the question and thus its intended meaning.

I believe some believe I tend to do that, but (1) I'm not exuberant about it and (2) I did try to understand but am not sure.

An example of such ti-wankery could for example be to posit that the question claims a full or partial mutual exclusiveness of good synergy and cooperation and being the star player of one's team, which is not true, has never been stated and is also revealed to be entirely irrelevant to the question if one tries to comprehend it properly.

I read that example three times, and now wish for a rephrasing and simplifying its meaning but that's not a requirement. One can be a star player (I don't care to be that for its own sake) and be cooperative with the team, but to do that it helps to be either lucky or a good leader.

 

[Grayman]

The example he gave us was a game. My example is that you can dominate a game whilst working in harmony with a team. How is that insignificant to the original question asked?

And its spelt exercise and ascertain...

I believe the difference is that he was speaking of intentions and you are speaking of un-intended actions. His goal seemed to be, finding a connection between different personality types and their intentions of Harmony or Domination. Since you are so busy arguing about un-intended actions, domination without intent, you are missing the point the OP which was domination with intent vs personality types and the possible relations that may exist between these groups if one does exist.
At least that is how I understood his post.

And its spelt exercise and ascertain...

Thanks, I honestly appreciate your correction and hope that you continue feel free to do so in the future, not that you need my approval.

I wonder if you do that with others??? I hope you realize that not everyone is as accepting of criticism and that most, in the emotional world, would be insulted by that statement. I think that is silly but my inferior Fe function kicks in and promotes harmony as apposed to dominance and thus I am forced to conform to their emotional standards, at least to the degree of "is it important enough to bring up and risk irritation or anger of the individual?" I would normally realize that my corrections will go unheard or ignored and that for the most part when considering spelling, the people are usually able to ascertain waht was maent redargless of spleling. Why then correct them?

 

[Ink]

F types are not necessarily more harmonious than T types, they just dominate using their F functions which can be calibrated much easier in most social situations.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I would normally realize that my corrections will go unheard or ignored and that for the most part when considering spelling, the people are usually able to ascertain waht was maent redargless of spleling. Why then correct them?

Here on this forum at least you should correct and expect to be corrected. It's how we roll.

 

[BigApplePi]

Here on this forum at least you should correct and expect to be corrected. It's how we roll.

IB. That statement has got to be incorrect. I'm going to do a Google to see if I can find a correction for it.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

IB. That statement has got to be incorrect. I'm going to do a Google to see if I can find a correction for it.

must

provide

link

It will both dominate and harmonize

 

[Grayman]

F types are not necessarily more harmonious than T types, they just dominate using their F functions which can be calibrated much easier in most social situations.

IMO


Being INTP I think my Fe inferior is more harmonious than the Fe Dominant of an ExFx. Creating more harmony in a social situation while not being dominating.

Also, I think a Te Dominant is bound to correct a spelling error more than an Ne. I think a Ne Dominant is more likely to correct a concept error or something that differs from their past experience than a Te.

I believe that dominating those around you is a part of all personality types but what is topic or subject dominated changes amongst the types.

the "WHY" Explanation, if you care:

Fe Dominant types are less harmonious with their Fe function because they are more likely to correct someone for not feeling right or doing what they feel is right. Fe Inferior, which is a part of INTP if they choose to develop it, tends to conform to the feelings of others close to them or their family, but not to enforce those feelings on others as they are not as comfortable with their Fe as a Fe dominant may be. In essence, an Fe Inferior understands how to fit in and stay out of the way of other more Fe dominant individuals but will not likely enforce their feelings on others unless it is further supported by the Ne dominant function.

Example of Ne trumping Fe in an INTP

Dominating action
INTP is called a bigot. INTP relates to his Fe and finds that bigot is bad and supported by his Ne function he determines that a bigot would not relate who he is to individuals who are obvious biggots and finds that he shares no relation to finally determine that he is not a bigot and will need to further correct the individual for being wrong.

Harmonious action
INTP is called fat. INTP relates to his Fe and finds that fat is bad and apposed by his Ne function he determines that being fat would relate who he is compared to the historical evidence of individuals who are obviously fat and finds that he shares much relation to finally determine that he is fat and will need to take no action to correct the individual. (Example Shows how an inferior Fe can be less dominating than a dominant Fe function)

ExFx is called fat. ExFx Relates this to his Fe and finds that it is bad to be called fat and then denies and puts in every effort to correct the person.(Example shows how an Fe dominant is extremely dominant on the Fe function)

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I believe the difference is that he was speaking of intentions and you are speaking of un-intended actions. His goal seemed to be, finding a connection between different personality types and their intentions of Harmony or Domination. Since you are so busy arguing about un-intended actions, domination without intent, you are missing the point the OP which was domination with intent vs personality types and the possible relations that may exist between these groups if one does exist.
At least that is how I understood his post.

Thanks, I honestly appreciate your correction and hope that you continue feel free to do so in the future, not that you need my approval.

I wonder if you do that with others??? I hope you realize that not everyone is as accepting of criticism and that most, in the emotional world, would be insulted by that statement. I think that is silly but my inferior Fe function kicks in and promotes harmony as apposed to dominance and thus I am forced to conform to their emotional standards, at least to the degree of "is it important enough to bring up and risk irritation or anger of the individual?" I would normally realize that my corrections will go unheard or ignored and that for the most part when considering spelling, the people are usually able to ascertain waht was maent redargless of spleling. Why then correct them?

Read the thread through its entirety. How many posters replied to that example? And did the OP continue to ask more defining questions related to the scenario? So I hope you can understand why it is i was responding to the example? Because it was the one he gave us. I am only trying to get a better understanding of his question.

If ,as you say, he was looking for the connection between personality types and their intentions of harmony and domination then I shall answer:

Say we are in a social situation with acquaintances. Everyone wants the best out of the situation as opposed to getting the worst. Harmony would be the one I go for. If only to avoid unnecessary unpleasantness for all. They generally will walk away happy. To dominate would suggest that another person rules/overpowers the others. Which in a social gathering is highly unlikely.

Anyways, you're welcome.

I only correct those that are replying to me. And we are not in the emotional world. We are on a forum, with INTPs. Go figure. Also you are not forced to conform. It is just easier to not point out the mistakes of others if only because they take it as an attack on their intelligence. Me, i will tell them because it bugs me and i find their responses amusing.

 

[BigApplePi]

must

provide

link

It will both dominate and harmonize

Right! I predict the link exists. It will dominate. We all will search for it. That togetherness should harmonize producing many happy campers.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I feel the love already.

Now come over here and put on this leather mask

 

[Grayman]

Read the thread through its entirety. How many posters replied to that example? And did the OP continue to ask more defining questions related to the scenario? So I hope you can understand why it is i was responding to the example? Because it was the one he gave us. I am only trying to get a better understanding of his question.

If ,as you say, he was looking for the connection between personality types and their intentions of harmony and domination then I shall answer:

Say we are in a social situation with acquaintances. Everyone wants the best out of the situation as opposed to getting the worst. Harmony would be the one I go for. If only to avoid unnecessary unpleasantness for all. They generally will walk away happy. To dominate would suggest that another person rules/overpowers the others. Which in a social gathering is highly unlikely.

It is funny that I did not notice how uninformative the OP was. I, without thinking, utilized my Ne Dominant function and translated possibilities as to the inherent questions of “What he is asking, why he is asking it, What he information he expects to find from my reply, and finally what he plans to do with the information he gains from the thread.” It was a part of my holistic thinking process to determine that before I replied or took action.
I used the limited data given to us by the OP, coming to my own assumptions, but I think it would have been better to simply ask the OP, “WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS?” instead of coming to my own investigative assumptions. I can only hope that I was right in my assumptions as now I may have just made myself look the fool. J
The majority of my assumptions of what he wanted came from the fact that he wanted our personality type ie…INTP/INTJ/ENTP etc… and how the terms harmony/dominance are commonly used when describing these personality type functions, so I do not think that I can be too far off as to what the OP was asking, although I think he did poor job asking it.

I only correct those that are replying to me. And we are not in the emotional world. We are on a forum, with INTPs. Go figure. Also you are not forced to conform. It is just easier to not point out the mistakes of others if only because they take it as an attack on their intelligence. Me, i will tell them because it bugs me and i find their responses amusing.

It is my mistake. I am hypersensitive to the emotional state of others although I am non-emotional myself. I live around a lot of highly emotional individuals and have had to learn to be careful around them and I utilized that same line of thinking at this forum without the realization that I can actually be free in saying what I actually think without worring about that here.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

It is funny that I did not notice how uninformative the OP was. I, without thinking, utilized my Ne Dominant function and translated possibilities as to the inherent questions of “What he is asking, why he is asking it, What he information he expects to find from my reply, and finally what he plans to do with the information he gains from the thread.” It was a part of my holistic thinking process to determine that before I replied or took action.
I used the limited data given to us by the OP, coming to my own assumptions, but I think it would have been better to simply ask the OP, “WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS?” instead of coming to my own investigative assumptions. I can only hope that I was right in my assumptions as now I may have just made myself look the fool. J
The majority of my assumptions of what he wanted came from the fact that he wanted our personality type ie…INTP/INTJ/ENTP etc… and how the terms harmony/dominance are commonly used when describing these personality type functions, so I do not think that I can be too far off as to what the OP was asking, although I think he did poor job asking it.

I like you <3. I have asked for his reasons and what he wants out of this. I am still waiting for the reply.

You know, he could be a hard out gamer trying to figure out how to beat the players of the world on his quest for world dominance! And thus I must take action against him wielding my gaint INTPness of Meh. Or not *shrugs*.

It is my mistake. I am hypersensitive to the emotional state of others although I am non-emotional myself. I live around a lot of highly emotional individuals and have had to learn to be careful around them and I utilized that same line of thinking at this forum without the realization that I can actually be free in saying what I actually think without worring about that here.

Be free young grasshopper. Be free.

 

[redbaron]

Who says they're mutually exclusive?

 

[Grayman]

If you could only either be in harmony or to dominate, which one would you choose?

Now that I am back on track please answer me this. Ill be as direct and logically straight as I possibly can in order to speak to your Te function and then you can do me the favour of speaking to my Ne function by using the methods below.

1. We are on an INTP fourm, therefore are your referencing harmony and dominate in the usage that is commonly used when discussing how personality functions are used extravert(dominate) or introvert(harmony)?

2. You asked for our personality type, therefore are you trying to understand a relation between our types and how we interact?

3. You give and situational example, therefore are you trying to determine how we would act in that example for only those specific reasons in that situation or was that just a single example to help lead us in the right direction of what you are looking for?

4. Can you give your answer in a format that is different to establish a better understanding for those reading this thread?

5. Can you give more than one example so that we can find relations between them in order to better understand what it is you want?

 

[NTJ]

Because your name is NTJ. So maybe an ENTJ? So either INTJ or ENTJ? It's the same basic functions.

What I meant was, why INTJ over ENTJ?

I want to ask a slightly differently defined question that is quite similar to the OP.

What is personally the most important to you; good synergy and cooperation with teammates, or being the star player of your team?

What do you seek the most and what gives you the most satisfaction?


For anyone wanting to answer: please think twice before indulging in exuberant displays of ti-wankery of the sort that could be avoided if you just tried to understand the intent behind the question and thus its intended meaning.

An example of such ti-wankery could for example be to posit that the question claims a full or partial mutual exclusiveness of good synergy and cooperation and being the star player of one's team, which is not true, has never been stated and is also revealed to be entirely irrelevant to the question if one tries to comprehend it properly.

My man!

That's a waste of energy. The point is to make a good team. I make my character as effective as possible, for the sake of the group. I've always been more of a "I got your back!" Kind of guy, though.

Playing anything online? Would be nice to have you in team. lol

What if you have a better character than them but still help them out? Would that be a dominating character working in harmony with said team?

It's not about dominating the game, read my posts again and you'll understand.

Here is your OP (original post):

What about REAL situations? It is sometimes said, "A picture is worth a thousand words." They have their own way of speaking. Suppose I say that is a qualifier to the OP and ask you not to look at the images?

Also don't quote people. lol

Real situation would be in the vicinity of asking for advice.

But on the other hand having the most kills is not the same as leading the team. So the question would more be a question of work or cooperation. It's like jin and jang, sort of. With a little black in the white and a little white in the black.

Expert player or expert leader/teamplayer?

Dominating is not leading.

Now that I am back on track please answer me this. Ill be as direct and logically straight as I possibly can in order to speak to your Te function and then you can do me the favour of speaking to my Ne function by using the methods below.

1. We are on an INTP fourm, therefore are your referencing harmony and dominate in the usage that is commonly used when discussing how personality functions are used extravert(dominate) or introvert(harmony)?

2. You asked for our personality type, therefore are you trying to understand a relation between our types and how we interact?

3. You give and situational example, therefore are you trying to determine how we would act in that example for only those specific reasons in that situation or was that just a single example to help lead us in the right direction of what you are looking for?

4. Can you give your answer in a format that is different to establish a better understanding for those reading this thread?

5. Can you give more than one example so that we can find relations between them in order to better understand what it is you want?

1. Huh?

2. Yes.

3. Example, however combination of both is perfect.

4. Not worth my time for 2 more replies.

 

[redbaron]

I want to ask a slightly differently defined question that is quite similar to the OP.

What is personally the most important to you; good synergy and cooperation with teammates, or being the star player of your team?

What do you seek the most and what gives you the most satisfaction?

What gives me the most satisfaction is winning.

Sometimes it means being the star player, sometimes it means good co-operation, sometimes it means both. They're all important to some degree. Maybe not being a star player, but being individually skilled is.

From my experience, individual skill lends itself to good synergy and co-operation as well. Two skilled players can better co-ordinate and generally have more fun when they're both on the same page. Synergy is ruined when one player is too far ahead of another.

 

[NTJ]

What gives me the most satisfaction is winning.

Sometimes it means being the star player, sometimes it means good co-operation, sometimes it means both. They're all important to some degree. Maybe not being a star player, but being individually skilled is.

From my experience, individual skill lends itself to good synergy and co-operation as well. Two skilled players can better co-ordinate and generally have more fun when they're both on the same page. Synergy is ruined when one player is too far ahead of another.

Related to this, assuming you DO play MMORPGs, do you help newbies levelup when getting nothing yourself? If so, why?

 

[TheScornedReflex]

It's not about dominating the game, read my posts again and you'll understand.

I didn't say dominating the game. I said to have the dominating character. By harmony do you mean share everything equally, e.g weapons, gold, armour, etc? If so, then you haven't understood my questions.

 

[Grayman]

Related to this, assuming you DO play MMORPGs, do you help newbies levelup when getting nothing yourself? If so, why?

I always help other people and do not really care about beating them or being better. They may even be a crap player and I will find a good way to teach them. I may for a bit show off some things that I would not normally do so that they can see how to do those things also. Peak their curiosity so that they will ask and give me an opening to help them out. Once they are practicing that new method I will lay low and only help if they are in dire need of it so that they can learn instead of rely on others. You might consider me a teacher of sorts in games and person who is always willing to help out those who are willing to help themselves first. I will never go as far to give the entitled ones a thing but if I think the person worthy, I show them how to help themselves and let them have the spotlight as much as possible.

 

[Grayman]

Because your name is NTJ. So maybe an ENTJ? So either INTJ or ENTJ? It's the same basic functions.

Or it's his initials????

 

[SpaceYeti]

Playing anything online? Would be nice to have you in team. lol

I should probably cancel my WoW account, since I never play any more, but I technically play that, since I have the account until I remember to cancel it.

 

[Grayman]

It's not about dominating the game, read my posts again and you'll understand.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

- Albert Einstien

In this case, telling to read the post again and expecting him to finally understand.


Why don't you just try a different approach. Point out where he is being misled, maybe?
​

 

[BigApplePi]

These chose to harmonize:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3QTjufgaN8

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

- Albert Einstien​

In this case, telling to read the post again and expecting him to finally understand. ​

Why don't you just try a different approach. Point out where he is being misled, maybe?​

What he said. But alas my mind follows my interests, which have gone.

 

[BigApplePi]

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." It's gumption and sticktoitiveness.

 

[redbaron]

Related to this, assuming you DO play MMORPGs, do you help newbies levelup when getting nothing yourself? If so, why?

When I played I helped guild members. We all helped each other by running dungeons/quests together, or doing runs to get alt characters geared up.

I sometimes sent a few gold to an unknown newb or ran them through stockade/ragefire when I was really bored.

Anyway expanding further, I was in a hardcore raiding guild on WoW (server firsts, top50 world on some kills) for a while. The general attitude of the guild was pretty fair. Everyone had to contribute in some way to guild reserves of consumables, materials, scrolls etc etc. All of the necessary consumables etc. were given to members during progression raids. For content on farm people who wanted to pad meters and go for records (me!) would have to use their own (you could purchase them directly from the guild if you were too lazy/didn't have time to farm mats/gold to obtain your own).

Basically our guild's harmony was built around the fact that we all dominated at our given class. On a new expansion, we would help each other power through quests and reach max level ASAP, and start running heroic content with the bare minimum gear.

I couldn't really imagine having played the game any other way, it took a lot of time, teamwork, skill and patience to do the things we did. Most of the guild took it further than I did, and would grind for months for rare mounts, items and titles. I was pretty much just focussed on the raiding part of the game and min/maxing my character. Even though it doesn't take that long for people to 'figure out' the optimal item build for a 'patchwerk' type fight (meaning you just stand still and do as much DPS as you can without dodging stuff), different trinkets, stat weights, weapons etc. all made for different results on certain fights. I had multiple pieces of gear for most slots, to change between bosses. I also had macros to switch weapons DURING some fights, dependent on the phase of the fight.

So basically, dominating was what brought myself and my guild harmony. If we weren't dominating, it was LESS harmonious. As for outdoing each other etc, it was always a pissing contest. But it was fun competing against each other in that way.

Only downside was the outrageous amount of time required to play the game at that kind of level. Though I think it's good that way. I wouldn't like it if I could just go back into raiding without all the rest, I think it's an important aspect of it.

 

[Grayman]

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." It's gumption and sticktoitiveness.

That simply says to keep trying to reach your goals no matter what and what I said was,dont use the same method to reach that goal as that would be insane.

I think they compliment eachother.

 

[Proletar]

What I meant was, why INTJ over ENTJ?

Well, that's an interesting question, and it melts down to purpose in the end.

You see, the difference between an ENTJ and an INTJ is that ENTJs have Te as main and Ni as aux, and vice versa.

Te wants to get things done and Ni wants to get the information. If Ni is supporting Te, then you would get the information in order to get going with your project, and if otherwise - you would get things done in order to get the information. So what are you doing here? I would say that what you do is primarely for the sake of knowledge -> information, and hence INTJ.

 

[Grayman]

Well, that's an interesting question, and it melts down to purpose in the end.

You see, the difference between an ENTJ and an INTJ is that ENTJs have Te as main and Ni as aux, and vice versa.

Te wants to get things done and Ni wants to get the information. If Ni is supporting Te, then you would get the information in order to get going with your project, and if otherwise - you would get things done in order to get the information. So what are you doing here? I would say that what you do is primarely for the sake of knowledge -> information, and hence INTJ.

What do you mean by "get things done". Does that mean that they are more practical? The thing with me is that I like doing projects but I do not like being around people at all and the project does not have learning involved just the callenging question of "can I do it" and the answer "lets see".

These projects have to utilize 100% of my thinking or I get board fast.

 

[Reluctantly]

Being with other people that acknowledge each other's perceptions and ways of thinking is usually a lot more fun than being alone because it allows the sharing of experiences and mistakes and the creation of jokes and memes.

If the other people don't acknowledge or appreciate my perceptions and ways of thinking, then I'd rather dominate them because it would be more enjoyable to be alone than to be judged and under evaluation all the time.

 

[Minuend]

You play games with other people? Ewww. What a bunch of socializing feelers. None of ye are NTs.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

You play games with other people? Ewww. What a bunch of socializing feelers. None of ye are NTs.

Says the one that has a Hug thread dedicated to them...

 

[Grayman]

You play games with other people? Ewww. What a bunch of socializing feelers. None of ye are NTs.

I usually avoid it, but then, I usually avoid games. I seek the truth of things and the truth of things are not in games.

 

[redbaron]

I usually avoid it, but then, I usually avoid games. I seek the truth of things and the truth of things are not in games.

Nah bro, my life is all about jumping platforms, spinning super-fast, collecting what appear-to-be-but-aren't-quite apples, obtaining voodoo masks, finding life-size replicas of my face, breaking boxes (to collect more of these pseudo-apples, obtain voodoo masks or life-size replicas of my face), scouring for gems, crystals and relics, all to impress an outrageously sexy blonde bandicoot named Coco.

Spoiler

Yeah, I'm the real life Crash Bandicoot motherfucker.

 

[SpaceYeti]

You play games with other people? Ewww. What a bunch of socializing feelers. None of ye are NTs.

Okay. I don't have to be NT.

 

[Proletar]

What do you mean by "get things done". Does that mean that they are more practical? The thing with me is that I like doing projects but I do not like being around people at all and the project does not have learning involved just the callenging question of "can I do it" and the answer "lets see".

These projects have to utilize 100% of my thinking or I get board fast.

Yes. ENTJs primarely want to get going and INTJs seeks the information firsthand. Truth be told, ENTJs would NOT dedicate this much to understand the mind of the INTP, never. And if they did want to understand, they wouldn't do so by asking an open-ended question of choice on the INTPs board. They would just gather the information at hand and then use it. Faulty in a way, but quick and efficient. More plans, less research.

It' a @Cognisant guess.

 

[NTJ]

I didn't say dominating the game. I said to have the dominating character. By harmony do you mean share everything equally, e.g weapons, gold, armour, etc? If so, then you haven't understood my questions.

Nobody's talking about sharing here.

I should probably cancel my WoW account, since I never play any more, but I technically play that, since I have the account until I remember to cancel it.

It's odd really, I've spoken to about 10 WoW players, 7 of them haven't played it for the past few months and they still refuse to cancel their account. Is it hope that one day you'd return to the game? Or is it one of those things you say "I'll do soon?"

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

- Albert Einstien

In this case, telling to read the post again and expecting him to finally understand.


Why don't you just try a different approach. Point out where he is being misled, maybe?
​

Quote ain't right because of at least 3 instant reasons:

1. You may do a sloppy job, doing it again with more effort would likely yield different results.

2. Nothing's the same, not even items straight out of a factory. Repeating the same thing always gets a bit different result, which may be just what was missing.

3. Repetition rewards with experience, therefore skill, skill changes the results.

Do not quote people. lol

Don't care enough to do it.

@BigApplePi

Going against me, yet your quote don't mean repetition.

When I played I helped guild members. We all helped each other by running dungeons/quests together, or doing runs to get alt characters geared up.

That's not help, that's teamwork, which is essential in better-designed MMOs.

I sometimes sent a few gold to an unknown newb or ran them through stockade/ragefire when I was really bored.

For your personal satisfaction that you're strong, or for the satisfaction that you've helped a newbie?

Anyway expanding further, I was in a hardcore raiding guild on WoW (server firsts, top50 world on some kills) for a while. The general attitude of the guild was pretty fair. Everyone had to contribute in some way to guild reserves of consumables, materials, scrolls etc etc. All of the necessary consumables etc. were given to members during progression raids. For content on farm people who wanted to pad meters and go for records (me!) would have to use their own (you could purchase them directly from the guild if you were too lazy/didn't have time to farm mats/gold to obtain your own).

Basically our guild's harmony was built around the fact that we all dominated at our given class. On a new expansion, we would help each other power through quests and reach max level ASAP, and start running heroic content with the bare minimum gear.

I couldn't really imagine having played the game any other way, it took a lot of time, teamwork, skill and patience to do the things we did. Most of the guild took it further than I did, and would grind for months for rare mounts, items and titles. I was pretty much just focussed on the raiding part of the game and min/maxing my character. Even though it doesn't take that long for people to 'figure out' the optimal item build for a 'patchwerk' type fight (meaning you just stand still and do as much DPS as you can without dodging stuff), different trinkets, stat weights, weapons etc. all made for different results on certain fights. I had multiple pieces of gear for most slots, to change between bosses. I also had macros to switch weapons DURING some fights, dependent on the phase of the fight.

So basically, dominating was what brought myself and my guild harmony. If we weren't dominating, it was LESS harmonious. As for outdoing each other etc, it was always a pissing contest. But it was fun competing against each other in that way.

Only downside was the outrageous amount of time required to play the game at that kind of level. Though I think it's good that way. I wouldn't like it if I could just go back into raiding without all the rest, I think it's an important aspect of it.

Interesting post, appreciate the effort.

Well, that's an interesting question, and it melts down to purpose in the end.

You see, the difference between an ENTJ and an INTJ is that ENTJs have Te as main and Ni as aux, and vice versa.

Te wants to get things done and Ni wants to get the information. If Ni is supporting Te, then you would get the information in order to get going with your project, and if otherwise - you would get things done in order to get the information. So what are you doing here? I would say that what you do is primarely for the sake of knowledge -> information, and hence INTJ.

I will post my intro shortly.

 

[7even]

If you could only either be in harmony or to dominate, which one would you choose?

Gonna give you a hypothetical situation, though not sure how you deal with those. Read some posts, seems like you personalize it quite a bit.

Hypothetical situation: You play an MMORPG with a friend (or friends), for example WoW, Dungeon Defenders, Mu Online, whatever. The point is that you can ADVANCE in that game, by which I mean get items, get XP, etc.. Is just playing together enough for you, or would you want to dominate him (or them)? By dominate I mean to have a better character than them, even if it's just a little bit.

P.S. If you're not an INTP, mention your type.

Well in the case of a video game, don't most people play in order to compete, and thus try to dominate one another? Though there's also the chance you begin to find the game to be more pleasurable playing with friends rather than advancing. I mean it all comes down to how seriously you take the game and it obviously varies in different circumstances and at different times; but I guess you're asking each individual personally; in the context of a game I'd dominate, although if domination is out of the question, I'm most definitely satisfied with just playing the game... In the context you've given, can't you do both?

If you apply your question on a larger scale, in today's world/environment, it is clearly a case of 'domination' as you phrase it; I would much prefer harmony.

Hey are you asking if we are competitive?

 

[redbaron]

That's not help, that's teamwork, which is essential in better-designed MMOs.

Isn't teamwork a form of help?

We all just decided to help each other while also helping ourselves. Win-win.

For your personal satisfaction that you're strong, or for the satisfaction that you've helped a newbie?

Neither really. To alleviate boredom or just because I can mostly.

 

[SpaceYeti]

It's odd really, I've spoken to about 10 WoW players, 7 of them haven't played it for the past few months and they still refuse to cancel their account. Is it hope that one day you'd return to the game? Or is it one of those things you say "I'll do soon?"

It's mostly that I keep forgetting to cancel it.

 

[SLushhYYY]

Can I break the rules and say I prefer being dominated (wonders why he said that with Cog and Melkor in the thread)

But... it lets you improve faster and look to what you should be doing. If you are in harmony nobody is improving much... and if you are dominating it only improves your emotional state.

This.

INTP here