Ti the builder

[alienarcade]

I have several friends who I often game and code with. A few of them are either INTP or ISTP, and I must say, most of them can cut through to the most microscopic detail at the speed of lightning. The way the majority of Ti doms I've met are seemingly able to absorb complex theoretical details without any effort.

How do INTPs develop and use their Ti? Whats an average day like for an INTP? Are there any tips for not so hardcore Ti users?

 

[Dapper Dan]

Erm...... I, uhh...

Hm.

 

[Ozymandias]

Oh man, that gave me pretty good chuckle

 

[GYX_Kid]

What type are you? haha
Average day contains a lot of recalling things, and thinking about them

 

[alienarcade]

Ni or Ne dom most likely. I have some use of Ti but Im just curious about how a Ti dom goes about life

 

[Words]

Average day? lots of questions. lots of "wtf." lots of "this doesn't make any sense." Just being critical of everything.

If you're an Ne dom, then you might have Ti aux. If you are ENTP, then I suggest just getting more lone activities because either way, you're main introverted function is Ti. Same if you're INFJ, except it's a bit more difficult.

If you're a Te type, then you have to consciously shift your perspective to mimic Ti types. It's a lot more difficult because its an extreme change of mindset. Not sure how Ti-Se-Ni-Fe is but I think Ti-Ne-Si-Fe is about focusing on the intrinsic, non-temporal(or 'universal') order within abstract relationships as oppose to focusing on any other means of order such as "collectively agreed order" or "temporal-evidence based-order." Of course, these are all simply my own ideas.

 

[Zionoxis]

I dunno, it is more like living two separate lives. You have the external world, and you have the internal world of thought, analyzation, and you just think about things, create things, or plan things out. I usually sink into my internal world when I am bored, or just thought of something more interesting than the commotion around me.

 

[Zionoxis]

I dunno, it is more like living two separate lives. You have the external world, and you have the internal world of thought, analysis, and you just think about things, create things, or plan things out. I usually sink into my internal world when I am bored, or just thought of something more interesting than the commotion around me.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Uh...

I spent most of my day worrying. Worrying if the other people on the train are plotting to stab me and then take my wallet, worrying about passing school this year, worrying if the world I'm supposedly in actually exists...

And reading articles on wikipedia about psychology and drugs and music. Discovering new music, drawing, animating, sketching, making photographs...

Thinking of all the roads a conversation might go on, and making up an appropriate response for everything the other might possibly say, creating a complex system of being prepared for important conversations, like the one where I tell this girl I really like her, and tell my parents I have shit loads of bad grades. Thinking about how to improve my F side, so I can actually express emotions and gently tap people on the shoulder and stuff.

And lots and lots of daydreaming. Imagining all those conversations I've been thinking through have gone well, and just imagining myself being all happy. Achieving fame because of my artwork, having an awesome relationship with an awesome girl, finding the cure to a horrible illness, achieving spiritual fulfillment... Just really cool stuff that's sometimes quite unrealistic but still nice to fantasize about. Then I get out of the daydream and find my teacher completely disappointed and mad at me for not making my homework.

TL;DR:
I spend the day organizing everything I see, hear, taste, smell and learn in a complex system of 'the world', and self- mocking and pitying.

 

[scorpiomover]

If you're an ENTP, then you're Ne-Ti.

See this

A lot of ENTPs come out as INTPs on tests and vice versa. Don't pay attention to tests - they give 30-40% error.

Usually 1st function is uncontrollably always "on" and second function is associated with "pride" and aspiring to be "it".

If u r an INTP u should experience your Ne as a "father figure" who is cool and you wanted to be like "him" as a kid. If u r an ENTP u probably felt like this about your Ti.

What's the bane of being you: getting caught in a never ending cycle in your head or being inconsistent and too air-headed (and big mouthed)

It explains why you want to know so much about Ti.

Now for the complicated bit:

INTP = Ti-Ne. Our conscious thought process starts with a Ti logical judgement about almost anything. This feeds into Ne, to produce possible explanations, using observations from the real world. However, all we then have is a possible explanation. We don't yet have a clue if it's right or wrong. So we feed out possible explanations back into Ti, to see if they make sense. Then we see other Ti logical conclusions about them, and we then pull in more facts from the real world, to form another possible explanation. We hypothesise using external data, and look for inconsistences, continually, until Ti comes back with "nothing more to correct here". Then we don't need Ne, and leave the loop.

Takes a long time. But you end up with something that has to be totally logical. Consequently, if the external data you used to form your explanations, is reflective of the system in general, then you have a totally logical system that is built on axioms that are true for the system you are examining. Consequently, it's like a mathematical theorem that applies to your situation. Has to be right, and is dead on, balls accurate. Doesn't work every time. But when it does, it's pretty damn sweet.

 

[Zionoxis]

If you're an ENTP, then you're Ne-Ti.

See this

It explains why you want to know so much about Ti.

Now for the complicated bit:

INTP = Ti-Ne. Our conscious thought process starts with a Ti logical judgement about almost anything. This feeds into Ne, to produce possible explanations, using observations from the real world. However, all we then have is a possible explanation. We don't yet have a clue if it's right or wrong. So we feed out possible explanations back into Ti, to see if they make sense. Then we see other Ti logical conclusions about them, and we then pull in more facts from the real world, to form another possible explanation. We hypothesise using external data, and look for inconsistences, continually, until Ti comes back with "nothing more to correct here". Then we don't need Ne, and leave the loop.

Takes a long time. But you end up with something that has to be totally logical. Consequently, if the external data you used to form your explanations, is reflective of the system in general, then you have a totally logical system that is built on axioms that are true for the system you are examining. Consequently, it's like a mathematical theorem that applies to your situation. Has to be right, and is dead on, balls accurate. Doesn't work every time. But when it does, it's pretty damn sweet.

Or you made an assumption somewhere along the lines and the perfected product WOULD have worked had you not made that assumption....I do that a lot. It WOULD have worked had my theory been correct. Basically, I ended up trying to prove a theory with another theory.

 

[scorpiomover]

Or you made an assumption somewhere along the lines and the perfected product WOULD have worked had you not made that assumption....I do that a lot. It WOULD have worked had my theory been correct. Basically, I ended up trying to prove a theory with another theory.

I used to do that a LOT.

Then I found a very simple solution: check my theories against experience.

I build up such complicated castles in the sky, that they are either miles off base, or spot on. So as long as I check against experience, I see if they are miles off base, and eliminate them. The rest seem to be spot on.

 

[walfin]

Ti the builder...
Can we fix it?
Ti the builder...
Yes we can!