There is this certain mindset I don't quite understand this mindset.

[NormannTheDoorman]

I can talk about Sci-Fi books, movies, and comics but when I try to talk about the Bible from an analytical point of view I normally get this sort of response.

"You know the bible isn't real, right"


Like........I don't know how to respond to that. But then they decide to switch subjects and normally they talk about such subjects with a lot of zeal it disturbs me. Sometimes the subjects are on things that don't even exist..

I am young and stupid and need your guidance INTP forum...




I need your help.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Have these discussions at church, that is the place for them.

If you're trying to witness to academics or nerds, realize that they will view you as a nuisance. Accept that there are nearly five billion people that do not 'believe' in the bible as you do. Do not assume that people ascribe any sort of credibility to the bible or care at all about it. You are not entitled to these conversations and few people will want to have them. Notice that Non-Christians typically have a distinctly negative opinion of Christianity.

 

[The Void]

Have these discussions at church, that is the place for them.

If you're trying to witness to academics or nerds, realize that they will view you as a nuisance. Accept that there are nearly five billion people that do not 'believe' in the bible as you do. Do not assume that people ascribe any sort of credibility to the bible or care at all about it. You are not entitled to these conversations and few people will want to have them. Notice that Non-Christians typically have a distinctly negative opinion of Christianity.

I don't think the OP claimed that the OP believes in the bible, but may be trying to ask why the OP can't discuss the bible just like discussing a comic book or sci-fi...
you don't have to believe in a comic book or sci-fi to discuss about them. I guess that is what the OP means.

 

[NormannTheDoorman]

I don't think the OP claimed that the OP believes in the bible, but may be trying to ask why the OP can't discuss the bible just like discussing a comic book or sci-fi...
you don't have to believe in a comic book or sci-fi to discuss about them. I guess that is what the OP means.

That is what I intended to get across.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

It is obvious that the people he's trying to have these discussions with don't view it that way.

 

[Hadoblado]

Your religion is well-known for bashing down doors as well as holding them. It's unsurprising that people mistake your intent.

Toobadsosad.

 

[Base groove]

But ... the bible is real. It's been mass produced worldwide and people read it every day. It's so real you might think there even exists an objective interpretation of its meaning...

but, nope.

 

[Fukyo]

Would you make the thread titles more descriptive of the content within?

 

[Hawkeye]

Would you make the thread titles more descriptive of the content within?

But then that ruins the curiosity.

 

[NormannTheDoorman]

Would you make the thread titles more descriptive of the content within?

But then that ruins the curiosity. [2]



I can't seem to title my threads appropriately due to my generally low IQ (419 btw). I also lack the proper mental dictionary. You see, I have this problem. I want to say something and get some feedback, but how do I make it interesting with my 419 IQ? I don't, unless I use vague titles.

You have to allow room here for challenged people here...I see barriers but I can't seem to get past them.

 

[NormannTheDoorman]

Your religion is well-known for bashing down doors as well as holding them. It's unsurprising that people mistake your intent.

Toobadsosad.

I don't think I said anything about being part of a religion, but okay....

 

[Lot]

I would love to discus the bible in an analytical way. I totally see your problem. People out right reject it as some stupid mind poison, but they fail to see the literary value. There are several books in the bible that most people would enjoy reading. Other ones are on par with the Greek philosophers.

I think once the anti-theist movement grows up a bit, we can have more serious discussion on it. Until then, just let them circle about Bill Nye, and Neil Degrasse Tyson. While they read Dawkins, thinking that anything he had to say is an original thought. (btw I actually really like NDT. Very clever man.) See I can just put down your guys too. Putting up a wall of no discussion. Not very productive is it?

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I would love to discus the bible in an analytical way. I totally see your problem. People out right reject it as some stupid mind poison, but they fail to see the literary value. There are several books in the bible that most people would enjoy reading. Other ones are on par with the Greek philosophers.

Yep, in fact the intellectual exchange between early christians and philosophers of the greek tradition was very fruitful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_philosophy_and_Christianity

 

[TimeAsylums]

I can't seem to title my threads appropriately due to my generally low IQ (419 btw).

plz mke user title "IQ 419"

 

[Latte]

Do you live in the US?

I personally find alternative history/reality a fascinating subject. Analysis of texts in isolation from the larger religion or non-mainstream world view can also be quite nourishing. "What if these things are true" and going from there to create a world around it that makes some internal sense sparks and engages a process of imagination, synthesis, analysis and wonder that is hard to get in other ways. It's like making a background world in a novel just for the background world itself, with a lot of stuff in our own world as a starting point.

It is sad if people you try to engage in such are too sensitive about the subject or too quick to judge what you're saying based on surface similarities it has to attempting to argue for the bible being real.

Lot has good points about the anti-theist movement when it comes to this. Some countries are in a phase of strong internal divisions about religion, and this can evoke strong feelings and a lack of differentiation about the topic. If you do live in the US... it will probably get better with time. Religiousness will likely decline or at least change its nature. Especially the strands confrontational with secularism and science. As religious movements become less of a threat to secularism and science, the new-atheism movement will calm down more, and good, free, non-stressed discussion involving the topics will be more available.

 

[digitalbum]

I am young and stupid and need your guidance INTP forum...

Lol.

What, exactly, do you want, youngin'?

If you want to discuss the Bible, well you better study it, like you do your comic books. I think everyone in here will agree, your intentions are unclear.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

If you do live in the US... it will probably get better with time. Religiousness will likely decline or at least change its nature. Especially the strands confrontational with secularism and science. As religious movements become less of a threat to secularism and science, the new-atheism movement will calm down more, and good, free, non-stressed discussion involving the topics will be more available.

I think, before the phase you describe ushers in, there will be a phase of radicalization, eventually leading to a collective clash, and the people involved in the clash getting weary.
There are definitely signs of transformation currently observable,
for instance, take the charismatic movement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfA2dn5Epnc

Of course, the reaction to it is as well a sign of radicalization.

Ultimately the struggle between religion and science will lead to a synthesis,
a sanctified, idealized popular view of science.

 

[Anktark]

Ultimately the struggle between religion and science will lead to a synthesis,
a sanctified, idealized popular view of science.

Or we will start wars over witch hypotheses and/or theories make more sense and explain things better. Don't worry, it's gonna get worse.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Or we will start wars over witch hypotheses and/or theories make more sense and explain things better. Don't worry, it's gonna get worse.

Well, that's what i tried to convey by the notion of "clash"...
Of course, the violence involved may be of varying degrees, it could be as harmless as the historical example of early christians/greek philosophers "battle of ideas", but it could as well be severe as the thirty years war.

 

[Latte]

Hmm. I was thinking the clash was now and wouldn't get much worse than this, but there are indeed triggers that could lead things towards major escalation. Worst among them is probably seriously interpreted end time signs that might arise in an increasingly volatile world (dis)order.

Are there good signs that the charismatic movement will increase in size and power much beyond their current state in the US without a strong new catalyst? I feel like they've kind of been halted due to backlash and negative publicity the last decade or more, but what I feel doesn't really matter in the face of reality.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

The clash we can witness now, manifested in physcial reality, is that which has been facilitated theoretically for at least 25 years.