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The way INTPs instigates a discussion.

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I noticed this quite a lot about my self or other INTPs that i've known...


When they want a discussion, they won't really give you a question or anything.

it's always a prompt. They wont give you a question, they wont give you an emotional point of view to spark your intuition.

its just a prompt and normally, it ends along the lines of "whats your input on this?"


as if, when we speak to them... we just state facts or intellectual opinions and let you think for your self...
 

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It's because INTPs are minimalist in discussion. What do you think?
 
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It's because INTPs are minimalist in discussion. What do you think?

yeah. I suppose, even know as I scroll through the threads of others, I just keep it small.

I tend to avoid having the long as conversations not unless im speaking with someone really engaging or if the situation calls for it.
 

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I was trying to be comical heh heh. But I agree, best to keep the posts small or nobody will read it. At least not thoroughly.
 
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i figured but its rather hard to convey other forms of sarcasm in the internet, unfortunately.
 

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This is insightful. I've noticed I do this often, I have thought perhaps it was an attempt to keep emotions out of discussions of things where they aren't absolutely necessary or also a tactic to avoid the emotional side when my own emotions are the actual subject.

Usually I have close to an entire book worth of things I could or would like to say on a subject, often whole 'lectures' of variations and aspects of the subject that I have gone over in my head but when it comes time to say something I will decide to throw that all out and give a to the point fact or two instead.
 
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its always better to remain objective regarding a topic.

an example or two to help prove your point would be nice as long as you keep it direct and straight forward.
 

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Though I have noticed that when I want to, and when I am using the written word, (not often verbally) I can incite all kinds of emotion from others.
 

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i figured but its rather hard to convey other forms of sarcasm in the internet, unfortunately.

Agreed.

I guess it's much better to assume someone's serious because somebody thinking you were serious when you were actually joking is not very offensive, while somebody thinking you were joking while serious is a little bit more hurtful.
 
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well, yeah. if im just speaking with someone verbally, it would come out as direct and to the point and occasionally, if I can see that im speaking with someone distressed already, i try to lower the "INTP attitude" and try to show some "TLC = tender love and care."

as for typing, sometimes... i talk like im a bubbly blonde.
 
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Agreed.

I guess it's much better to assume someone's serious because somebody thinking you were serious when you were actually joking is not very offensive, while somebody thinking you were joking while serious is a little bit more hurtful.

yeah thats why i avoid sarcasms on the internet that usually works well with vocal aid. xD
 

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I guess it's much better to assume someone's serious because somebody thinking you were serious when you were actually joking is not very offensive, while somebody thinking you were joking while serious is a little bit more hurtful.

well, that would depend on what the joke was!

I slightly plagiarized a George Carlin bit once, adding my own extras, (the cuss word thing, can't say these words on TV) in the middle of a discussion about racist words/speech and I was taken serious and it got really ugly on the part of the other person (and i was nearly banned because she was a mod!) before she realised she was being silly about my joke. (not here)
 
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hahahahaha, one of those things INTPs cant avoid. to make a joke that others might find offensive.

sometimes, I get angry at my self cause i feel like im not sensitive enough when it comes to what others might find offensive or not.

its just that i like to assume they're open minded enough to understand or see the humour in it.
 

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well, that would depend on what the joke was!

I slightly plagiarized a George Carlin bit once, adding my own extras, (the cuss word thing, can't say these words on TV) in the middle of a discussion about racist words/speech and I was taken serious and it got really ugly on the part of the other person (and i was nearly banned because she was a mod!) before she realised she was being silly about my joke. (not here)

Hahahaha! I mean sorry about that.

I guess I didn't consider the danger of somebody not realizing you're joking. I will probably end up with a black eye one day for this reason.
 

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Though I have noticed that when I want to, and when I am using the written word, (not often verbally) I can incite all kinds of emotion from others.

Me too, in text I'm a completely different person, who's charismatic and touching, but in person I'm just an awkward social retard.
That's why texting is always my preferred form of communication.
Which reminds me, I read somewhere that a lot of INTPs write because it's the only way they can express themselves. What do you think? It's definitely true about me, the only way I can accurately express an idea is in writing.
 
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hm... yeah In a way, I agree but somehow I learned to get my emotions or what I want to say to come out verbally... but not as well as when I am writing hahahaha.

often when I write a poem or a story and i am re-writing it, i come up with better ideas and re-write as i go along the way. i express ideas in writing so much better compared to speaking.

often when I speak, its just short, brief and to the point and more of a prompt than a question really.
 

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Me too, in text I'm a completely different person, who's charismatic and touching, but in person I'm just an awkward social retard.
That's why texting is always my preferred form of communication.
Which reminds me, I read somewhere that a lot of INTPs write because it's the only way they can express themselves. What do you think? It's definitely true about me, the only way I can accurately express an idea is in writing.

I am absolutely terrible at articulating any sort of complex idea verbally, get monotone and drone on and digress. Much better in writing, though sometimes I am not too hot at that either. It depends on how well I have solidified the ideas in my head yet.
 

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whenever i talk its just observations or random conclusions made by multiple observations.
people usually complain to me, im throwing out a solution(s) to shut them up. and if theyre annoyed then i'd be like 'then stop complaining..'
 

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Yeah I think I prefer writing because I have more time to make sure I communicated what I intended to without looking like a douche. When I'm talking I sometimes make brief statements, but only if I've already thought about something a lot. If I'm new to a subject I'm typically silent or else I talk myself in circles making very little sense and jumping across different topics (when I talk to people I'm comfortable around.)
 

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I think all introverts prefer written communication, especially with the T function. It's because their thinking tends to be reflective, and writing allows you to do that--as opposed to the spontaneity of conversation, where you might say something that is not as precise or carefully considered as you would want it to be.
 

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With silence isn't it?
 

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Definitely. "But what about..." is how I do it 90% of the time. Often though it probably sounds like I'm arguing my own point when really just setting up a mental game of tennis so I can learn the game by playing it.
 

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I think all introverts prefer written communication, especially with the T function. It's because their thinking tends to be reflective, and writing allows you to do that--as opposed to the spontaneity of conversation, where you might say something that is not as precise or carefully considered as you would want it to be.

I'd generally agree with that. Introverts need a period of reflection, especially T's (to check all their "thinking"), before responding. it gives more control over what one wants to say, so that we know it's accurate.

Some of the more people-centered introverts actually enjoy the warmth/interaction with others, but there's more focused on the relational aspects of the ongoing exchange rather than the technical content.

I'm more careful with what I say around people I know less. The more that someone knows me, the less I need to worry about something being taking incorrectly, so I can be more relaxed and spontaneous in my communication.

I slightly plagiarized a George Carlin bit once, adding my own extras, (the cuss word thing, can't say these words on TV) in the middle of a discussion about racist words/speech and I was taken serious and it got really ugly on the part of the other person (and i was nearly banned because she was a mod!) before she realised she was being silly about my joke. (not here)

Yes, that's one of the things I'm careful about. I've developed enough skill at restraining my natural impulses along those lines around people who might not grasp what I'm doing/saying and misinterpret my character. With people who know me, I tend to veer into humor/joking that those who don't know me might think some terrible things about me if they overheard...It's the dry sense of humor / sarcasm where the humor is saying things that are extremely inappropriate as if serious.

Definitely. "But what about..." is how I do it 90% of the time. Often though it probably sounds like I'm arguing my own point when really just setting up a mental game of tennis so I can learn the game by playing it.

Yes, there's the ability to argue both sides of the debate.

Also, if one side is being heavily pushed in a discussion, I will automatically find myself playing devil's advocate in order to lend balance / push back again the extreme.

Sometimes it sounds like I already have my mind made up because I can present a point of view firmly and even with conviction; but the reality is that I'm more just spitting out the rational answer based on what information is known, so if someone presents new information or a new angle, then my answer will automatically change to accommodate it. So even when I seem to be favoring a side, I'm very open to change if the parameters are changed; it just all has to be coherent to me and fit together.

When they want a discussion, they won't really give you a question or anything.

it's always a prompt. They wont give you a question, they wont give you an emotional point of view to spark your intuition.

its just a prompt and normally, it ends along the lines of "whats your input on this?"

Well, sometimes it's not so clumsily delivered, but basically it's the bent toward autonomy for ourselves and others. I don't want to hear your answer based on my interference; I want to hear your natural answer so that you can bring who you are and your own ideas to the table, and not control the outcome.

Plus, I'm lazy... I mean, efficient. Why waste lots of time on a setup if you're not yet invested? Based on your response, I'll invest a certain level of reply.
 

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This is insightful. I've noticed I do this often, I have thought perhaps it was an attempt to keep emotions out of discussions of things where they aren't absolutely necessary or also a tactic to avoid the emotional side when my own emotions are the actual subject.

Usually I have close to an entire book worth of things I could or would like to say on a subject, often whole 'lectures' of variations and aspects of the subject that I have gone over in my head but when it comes time to say something I will decide to throw that all out and give a to the point fact or two instead.

This doesn't just happen to me in conversation but in my writing. Just now I found myself staring at a piece I'm working on thinking "there is no possible way I can write all of that here"
 

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I never made this observation for myself, but it is completely accurate in describing the way I initiate conversation.

I'm lucky to have enough 'F' in me to realize that some people dislike talking about contentious or intellectual subjects, and so I've been able to cater my conversational style when I sense that my preferred one is drawing blank stares.

I'll will keep this insight in mind for the future.
 

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Encouraging Ti to start, by starting with Si (which is normally what kicks Ti off in the first place).


Usually I have close to an entire book worth of things I could or would like to say on a subject, often whole 'lectures' of variations and aspects of the subject that I have gone over in my head but when it comes time to say something I will decide to throw that all out and give a to the point fact or two instead.
Nah. I can't decide, and so give out everything.

Because of my schooling.

I was always giving the right answer, to the most complex problems, but with no explanation behind it. My teacher said that if I did that in an exam, the examiners would conclude that there was no way I could just know that, and so I had to be cheating. So I had to have extra tutoring for a year, to make me write down as much of what was in my head as possible, just to make me develop the habit of explaining enough of my reasoning to everyone else, that the examiners would realise that I actually did work it out for myself.
 
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