The Story of Your Enslavement

[own8ge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVjIR_oai-A

If I could, like V for Vendetta, broadcast a video on every television. I would choose this video.

 

[Duxwing]

If the failures of logical systems can be compared to car accidents, this video is a write off. For just one example, it implicitly assumes that "The Ruling Class" is a single, sociopathic entity. Then, it attempts to rationalize the charged term of slavery into modern capitalism, wherein, as one might expect it really has no application. The typical case of capitalistic enterprise, a hierarchical system of freely associating and rational owners and employees, is anything but slavery: the employees are free to find other work, to save their money, or start their own corporation, resources notwithstanding.

Moreover, the video neglects the numerous and successful popular revolts against despotic governments, and instead rationalizes them via the no true scotsman fallacy. That is to say, that a government that doesn't uphold all rights all the time (a noble ideal, just one that Murphy's Law prevents from occurring) allows its citizens rights simply to "keep them quiet". The problem with such a statement, aside from its no true scotsman fallacy, is that it makes no distinction between Pyongyang hypothetically allowing a weak second party and, as an example, the deep and expansive Bill of Rights or Magna Carta.

Certainly, there will always be leaders and followers, but as long as there are even two people on this earth, the laws of probability demand that one be dominant and the other submissive: a perfect match is next to impossible. The advertised "escape" is indeed just that, a solitary life, perhaps in some desolate, frigid tundra. Overall, the video presents an emotionally appealing but logically appalling point of view.

-Duxwing

 

[Jennywocky]

V for Vendetta, the book, was excellent; but I felt like the movie was a cheap and unnuanced commercialization of typical teenage angst against authority and rules. So anything that is in the same spirit as the latter... meh.

 

[own8ge]

If the failures of logical systems can be compared to car accidents, this video is a write off. For just one example, it implicitly assumes that "The Ruling Class" is a single, sociopathic entity. Then, it attempts to rationalize the charged term of slavery into modern capitalism, wherein, as one might expect it really has no application. The typical case of capitalistic enterprise, a hierarchical system of freely associating and rational owners and employees, is anything but slavery: the employees are free to find other work, to save their money, or start their own corporation, resources notwithstanding.

Moreover, the video neglects the numerous and successful popular revolts against despotic governments, and instead rationalizes them via the no true scotsman fallacy. That is to say, that a government that doesn't uphold all rights all the time (a noble ideal, just one that Murphy's Law prevents from occurring) allows its citizens rights simply to "keep them quiet". The problem with such a statement, aside from its no true scotsman fallacy, is that it makes no distinction between Pyongyang hypothetically allowing a weak second party and, as an example, the deep and expansive Bill of Rights or Magna Carta.

Certainly, there will always be leaders and followers, but as long as there are even two people on this earth, the laws of probability demand that one be dominant and the other submissive: a perfect match is next to impossible. The advertised "escape" is indeed just that, a solitary life, perhaps in some desolate, frigid tundra. Overall, the video presents an emotionally appealing but logically appalling point of view.

-Duxwing

I consider your post to be very autistic and even though I totally disagree with you, I wont even attempt to defy you as you miss the point and take things out of the original context.

V for Vendetta, the book, was excellent; but I felt like the movie was a cheap and unnuanced commercialization of typical teenage angst against authority and rules. So anything that is in the same spirit as the latter... meh.

I used V for vendetta as an example to convey the point I was trying to make (So for V for Vendetta was directed towards the ability of refined interpretation)

So, how is the point you are making even related?(!)

 

[Jennywocky]

I used V for vendetta as an example to convey the point I was trying to make (So for V for Vendetta was directed towards the ability of refined interpretation)

So, how is the point you are making even related?(!)

Here is what you said: "If I could, like V for Vendetta, broadcast a video on every television. I would choose this video. "

Loosely connected, any comparison that brings a movie like V for Vendetta into it -- COUPLED with the other comment in this thread by someone who could see the video and was describing what was in it -- well, then my comments are tangentially relevant. .

The biggest problem, of course, is that I'm at work and can't see the damn video here. So I have to refrain from direct commentary on the video until I can access it.

 

[Duxwing]

I consider your post to be very autistic and even though I totally disagree with you, I wont even attempt to defy you as you miss the point and take things out of the original context.

So, how is the point you are making even related?(!)

You are projecting your own problems onto me: I suffer no such disease, and I have plenty of professionals' (my therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, and guidance counselors) opinions to back mine up. Indeed, if you'd like, I might be able to produce quotes.

My psychological wounds notwithstanding, though, I must have been wrong to interpret your words as those of agreement. Would you please clarify what you'd meant by:

If I could, like V for Vendetta, broadcast a video on every television. I would choose this video.

I saw wholehearted agreement, but perhaps I am mistaken.

-Duxwing

 

[Kuu]

The subject the video deals with requires more than 13 minutes for a satisfactory overview. Its particular western-centric explanation of historical development is typical. The jump from Roman Empire to 19th century is pretty drastic as well. Its narrow focus on "government" and "public education" without explaining how "private" education and enterprise can and does lead to the same kind of enslavement is perhaps its most severe problem. I would also question the very definite closing statement that there is no other way. Overall I agree though. Except for the manipulative music, that I always loathe, though this particular video is mild when it comes to that offense...

In any case, I would prefer this to be broadcast instead:
Koyaanisqatsi on Vimeo

 

[Puffy]

The subject the video deals with requires more than 13 minutes for a satisfactory overview. Its particular western-centric explanation of historical development is typical. The jump from Roman Empire to 19th century is pretty drastic as well. Its narrow focus on "government" and "public education" without explaining how "private" education and enterprise can and does lead to the same kind of enslavement is perhaps its most severe problem. I would also question the very definite closing statement that there is no other way. Overall I agree though. Except for the manipulative music, that I always loathe, though this particular video is mild when it comes to that offense...

In any case, I would prefer this to be broadcast instead:
Koyaanisqatsi on Vimeo

I've been meaning to watch this for a while, many thanks for the link.

 

[crippli]

In any case, I would prefer this to be broadcast instead:
Koyaanisqatsi on Vimeo

Sobering video. And one get this silly idea that omg! what are we doing, we should stop this right there! But I have the feeling that new parents are not going to be pleased if this is what you broadcast at the nursery.

I suppose we do what we where engineered to do, and there is little we can do to change this, even through broadcasting. And when the work is done, it's not going to be pretty. We are only alive because we are still useful. The planet seems to have some need to release stored biomaterial. Not sure as to why.

It will have to run the gamut. Regarding the more actual video in the OP. I agree. But there is a problem not mentioned. There isn't enough (nice)work. So administration is where they go. And people do still get to eat, mostly. So it does work, somewhat. These people are smarter, and that will give them advantages. Ideally, we could all move up to administrative positions without collapse, for a longer period... But we would need robots to do the work.

 

[Cognisant]

Precisely! How many times must I explain this?

Robots solve everything.

 

[Lyra]

The jump from Roman Empire to 19th century is pretty drastic as well.

How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later

Actually Kuu, I think there is a kind of continuity to the process lots of these people are trying to trace that appropriately focuses on that particular geographical region. And it's processes which sprung out of that cradle which now affect/dominate global civilisation, and which defined all of the forms it expresses itself through. I don't think that's history or the only appropriate perspective, but it is one pattern there to be traced, which is vital to clarify and makes sense of the others and why they are now affected as they are...

But, yeah, everybody on this forum is expressing themselves in terms of the forms generated by the 1000--2200 (approx.) Faustian Culture-organism, which grew out of a very particular milieu. I don't think they should-- it just is. Recognising what that entity is is vital to defending one's own traditions against it, or its use by other interests.

You will all be slaves, both externally and in your own psyches, until you learn to sense these kinds of flows. And it is (very predictably, and as predicted) in terms of them that every other dominating entity (financial capitalism etc.) has come to decimate various forms of human freedom, and will or could come to topple. Learn them and you will know how to practically secure a better future for your descendents.

FYI financial capitalism will (assuming no clique successfully implements some drastic take-over plan) be toppled soon enough, and what you want to watch for are the populist tyrannies that will rise up in its place. Anti-materialism is coming. The forms which will determine what legacy this process of fixation which is occurring on a global scale will settle into are in seed form right now. What happens is the responsibility of those now living.

Global Corporatism and financialism is a threat to biodiversity and much that is beautiful and worth preserving. But the very extent to which it is reviled in ubiquitous threads like this is a sign of how weak it is becoming. The seeds of a counter-reaction. These tensions now bubbling under the surface will break out, the flaws inherent in the corporate Death Culture will cripple it. What you want to watch and plan for is the counter reaction. Otherwise you're just a blind agent of the tides of time, unaware of what has been discovered about them and of what can be done in terms of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnPY8kYuDo

 

[Lyra]

Btw Ingo Swann's Secrets of Power is probably the best resource around in the vein of the OP's video. That will train you in understanding power structures in-depth. Other than that you want to be reading Brzezinksi etc. and other global strategists writing for people who actually have statist power, and so are speaking their language.

Metahistories generally are also useful. Quigley. DeLanda. Marxists. Heidegger. Just absorb, return to the observable, absorb, return to the observable. Do this and you'll begin to get the picture.

All of the above are available online.

You also want to experiment with the possibilities of your own consciousness, to become independent of culture-feed. See the 'Dark Materials' thread for instructions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xj8v0WC0k

Pod'Lair will also help, by teaching you what a human being is in terms that current bs/memes/propaganda doesn't account for. So it will give you a way into a clear-sight that will clarify other things.

OP video isn't so bad. It gets at how all of it's based upon belief/consent. But it misses far too much to ever be a useful foundation for something better. For that you need knowledge of a higher caliber.

 

[Lyra]

You mostly want to ignore modern conspiracy culture. It gets some things right and a lot wrong, but is mostly just a waste of time and filled with disinformation, misinformation, idiots and the uneducated. Get your own grounding in genuine knowledge and critical thinking and then observe and research yourself. Most of the info you need to make the right conclusions is in your face day after day, and refuses to go away. Follow it back to source, think, analyse.

Ultimately humans will continue to be enslaved until they become too strong and intelligent for the scams/controls. One video or doctrine isn't the answer. Changing phase and way of being fundamentally is.

Being stuck on a single ball of rock is also a significant issue. The more spatial and virtual arenas for consciousness and expression we have, the harder the whole thing is to control. This is ideal. Right now 'humanity' is a singular in physical terms. Divergence, distribution, and unpredictability are the only way to get beyond current issues and the threat of self-destruction.

We are in a clinch. The current situation has incredible potential, and could explode into an infinite process of expansion that will make all forms of attempted centralised control obsolete. Or it could stagnate and form a prison or desolation that will blight people for thousands of years. You all need to start taking this more seriously. We are the tipping point. Our actions are the tipping point. Not our fathers, not our sons. Ours. Very few humans get a chance to live at a time like this, and most people are wasting/desecrating their opportunity.

 

[Lyra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKdN8cfc1ak

 

[Words]

The Story of Your Bullshit.

 

[Jennywocky]

You mostly want to ignore modern conspiracy culture. It gets some things right and a lot wrong, but is mostly just a waste of time and filled with disinformation, misinformation, idiots and the uneducated.

Yes, I think it approaches situations much differently than the "step back, assess, observe, assess" pattern you've suggested. Basically modern conspiracy theory is driven by the underlying anxieties of the proponents, which means they just obsess about the details related to the anxieties, and other data is jettisoned/ignored. (IOW, it obsesses over a few trees, rather than truly being big-picture.) That's different than stepping back, looking for the big picture and the direction of its currents and eddies through the time stream.

Still thinking about the rest of this post, thank you for that.

 

[LarsMac]

Molyneux is very entertaining, but I hesitate to take him very seriously.

It is our lack of desire to take responsibility for our own lives that enslaves us.

 

[Words]

The Story of Your Bullshit.

I think I've been a bit too harsh here. It's not a very honest story, but it does emphasize on a sort of neglected element of reality. As long as there is subjectivity, some form of coercion will always persist, but then I think coercion, in its broadest sense, is not necessarily counter to collective good.

 

[Proletar]

@Lyra: Good posts! Exactly what I've been trying to say from time to time on this board for a while now.

Basically, you are not completely right, just like me or anyone. But you have the perfect perspectives for making the right judgments to reach the truth. I see humanity as a whole, as sort of a super-structure. Life seems to be fulfilling itself in the same patterns on higher levels all the time. There is a society in the human body, and there is even a society within the individual cells. Therefore, it's strange to see how the human superstructure is dividing up the wealth in a way that makes almost everyone starve. Take the same mechanisms and put it in the human body, and you will see some things that you know to be bad at first glance. (Hint: Cancer; hint)

I'm not a hardcore communist, either. On one hand, it's about getting rid of the capital and the un-even relationship between capitalist and worker, sure, but on the other, it's also about the people overthrowing the state, and so on. Ultimately, it's about welding together the human culture to act as the whole that it is - to civilize and socialize. The rest are just means to that end. And that's just not because I feel bad for poor people, but because we would be able to reach higher grounds and higher individual standards of living if we do.

Spoiler

Point being that humanity should be viewed as a whole.

The time to acts is now, but the question is: How do we do it?

 

[snafupants]

I watched the first minute and I need to call bullshit. The narrator is claiming that the unique human perception/gnosis of death leads to fear which leads to controllability. Here's the beef I have with that assessment: other animals exert social or territorial control without that apparently unique human capacity for far-reaching intellectual prognostication. So the connection is off from the outset. I will watch more later but this video seems like freshman philosophy thus far. Edit: Apparently behaviorism (classical conditioning, etc.), Pavlov and Skinner et al. didn't reach England. You can definitely train animals. This guy's an idiot. Edit II: This is too intellectually lightweight to warrant more time. There simply isn't this byzantine conspiracy at play. Of course farmers want to increase their profits. What's wrong with that?!

 

[BigApplePi]

Naqoyqatsi. What does man see? What has man done?

Man grew from nothing.
Achieved a balance between himself and nature.
He formed a civilization.
Civilization grew dense.
What do you expect?
Nature is of no consequence but will win in the end.

 

[TriflinThomas]

If this is true, there's not much to do about it because the way he describes it makes it seem as though it's ingrained in the human condition. On another note, I'm well aware of the government overreaches of late, but (once again) there's not much I can do about it; also, society as a whole doesn't seem to care/notice.

 

[Analyzer]

follow up video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2rSJayL_c

coercion will always be there, that's not the argument. The problem is that we live with a monopoly on coercion, which is the state.