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On religion and incest/pedophilia... Yeah, that Lot's daughters story is so baffling... The old testament was a good read, if nothing else.

I'm glad you like me drunk, Inex. Don't take advantage. I dunno... When sober I feel the need to be very presise, to take a thought to its conclusion before I share it. Things are so rarely linear, but when we communicate in writing, we tend to make them linear. To do a complex issue justice, I feel the need to write an essay.

I should probably just fool around like this, more. I havent been part of a forum in a long time, though. Have to find my style (and my English), again.
 

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On religion and incest/pedophilia... Yeah, that Lot's daughters story is so baffling... The old testament was a good read, if nothing else.

I'm glad you like me drunk, Inex. Don't take advantage. I dunno... When sober I feel the need to be very presise, to take a thought to its conclusion before I share it. Things are so rarely linear, but when we communicate in writing, we tend to make them linear. To do a complex issue justice, I feel the need to write an essay.

I should probably just fool around like this, more. I havent been part of a forum in a long time, though. Have to find my style (and my English), again.

Oh I feel that way too! I think part of the reason is that people are so aggressive these days. They’re tempted to pick apart everything you say so you have to be careful how you say it.
 

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I’ll be responding here and there - but responses will be delayed.

I’ll totally capitalize on every drunk opportunity with you
Better watch yourself! I might persuade you to use an emoji. (Oh noooeesss!)
 

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Did we just have a conversation on intpf? I'm going to go read a dictionary.

This girl im talking to wants me to make a snap chat, but im against it. I think im going to go against my desires and do something to fit in. not sure if im scared to be normal, or have I come to despise normal, intentionally avoiding it now that i dont like it. It never ceases to surprise me how annoyingly strenuous it is to be human.
 

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People are aggressive, and I suppose fear of ridicule is part of the reason. But I think the most important reason, for me, is this: being objective has always been the foundation of my identity. Growing up, I was disturbed by how intelligent people so often disagreed. Either the topics they discussed were too complex for rationality and intelligence to be relevant (one couldn't find truth either way), or people weren't actually being analytical in the pursuit of truth, they were being analytical in the pursuit of that one argument which would put them slightly ahead in debate. Both alternatives bothered me immensely, because they would mean my identity as an objective person was hollow-objectivity was a pipe dream. I decided to pursue chains of thought as far as I could, not stopping when I felt I was slightly ahead of public debate.

I guess I learned that things get very complicated, very quickly, when you let go of absolutes. Overwhelmingly complicated. So complicated that trying to discuss them becomes daunting, because I simply don't have the intelligence to maneuver the complexity. So I fall silent a lot, these days, or make jokes. And I'm not very good at making jokes, so it's a sad sad situation.

No, but in all seriousness, it is a pity that we are taught to be cocksure, rather than to suppose. It makes conversation so terribly boring, if nothing else. I guess it's socially beneficial. We are primed by heritage and upbringing to choose opinions on impulse (based on what benefits us or our tribe), and then use apparent rationality to defend them. Black and white models of the world are far easier to maneuver - they always supply you with a simple riposte to social attack, one which you will have available with the speed social interaction requires.

I really am too drunk for this. I'll return to fleabag, then it's off for sleep. I won't get more than a couple of hours now, but YOLO, you guys! It was fun hanging out. People have suggested drunken forum nights before, but now Rebis doesn't drink anymore, and Tenacity isn't around so... Well see. He's Irish, it'll never last. Do you have any idea how good Irish Whiskey is? And I think I've already resorted to smileys. For shame.


@peoplesuck Get that snapchat, she totes wants you D! And I love the Norwegian VPN! You're practically sprouting horns, you viking, you.
 

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@peoplesuck Get that snapchat, she totes wants you D! And I love the Norwegian VPN! You're practically sprouting horns, you viking, you.
I did it. All of the filters make me look like a girl, did I do something wrong?
How am I supposed to watch nrk.no without my vpn. Ive been learning norwegian for a about a year btw. Its not great but I can read and watch tv. I studied swedish like a mad man for a year before I realized school is free in norway.
 

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Damn, really? I figured you were using google translate in the other thread! You really gotta come live here, now, else learning Norwegian will be a total waste. I mean.. Were 5 million people, it's not like you'll randomly bump into us on the streets of New York.

What do you watch on NRK? I hear SKAM was big in US?

And you say you sexually identify as trap (which is hilarious, btw)... I guess that means you're androgynous? Did you put up a picture here, once?
 

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All of these fucking people raking their yards, do you realize you are slowly killing your yard and a part of the neighborhood.
Oh, and Germany is right on that raking issue, from what I hear. Or at least they are fighting the good fight against leaf blowers. Windmills next.

Glad to see other people are thinking about this. I hand-trim the little bit of lawn we are supposed to have (rental property doesn't allow us to remove the lawn part). The grass has now grown into about 20-30 cm high individual tufts that I maintain with hand shears (ouch, my poor back). It's like grass topiary.

But it means we now have micro-habitat for little creepy crawlies. Interesting little bugs, butterflies, spiders and geckos. The ants and worms work the soil, the spiders eat the ants, the geckos and larger bugs eat the smaller spiders and bugs, etc. And we have doves, ravens and magpies visiting for the occasional meal of protein.

Leaf blowers make me wanna :waffe:
 

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What’s SKAM?
I want to go to Norway! :D
But I don’t want to go to tourist Norway. I want to go to real Norway.

I thought about learning Norwegian...I’ve been told I would fit in better in Norway than I do in the US. Norway also has the most amazzzinnggg cheese. Man I’m hungry. It’s a Swiss that I think starts with a J. I used to be able to get it at Aldi..

Do drunk Norwegians eat Salmon with weird drunken-inspirational twists?
 

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It never ceases to surprise me how annoyingly strenuous it is to be human.

^ This. Yes.
This is what made me get into computers to begin with. They have answers. Humans are frustratingly complex and variable.

We need to all go to Norway. We can meet up in a Norwegian bar and drink Norwegian beer and eat Norwegian bar snacks. I’m not sure what those would be, but I’m positive they are delicious. I will sit in the corner and observe you and Marbles talking...like a wallflower.

Marbles, do you have pics of the kind of food you make there? I’m so fascinated by cultural cuisine. I’ve observed that almost every culture has some version of a dumpling - except for the USA! We are so abysmally bad at cuisine.

WAAITTT! I just had a thought!
This is hilarious. I have to ask.
@Marbles. Do they have wife-carrying? Or is that more of a Swedish thing? Or is that not a thing at all? I read about that sport once and is just cracks me up every time.
 

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All of these fucking people raking their yards, do you realize you are slowly killing your yard and a part of the neighborhood.
Oh, and Germany is right on that raking issue, from what I hear. Or at least they are fighting the good fight against leaf blowers. Windmills next.

Glad to see other people are thinking about this. I hand-trim the little bit of lawn we are supposed to have (rental property doesn't allow us to remove the lawn part). The grass has now grown into about 20-30 cm high individual tufts that I maintain with hand shears (ouch, my poor back). It's like grass topiary.

But it means we now have micro-habitat for little creepy crawlies. Interesting little bugs, butterflies, spiders and geckos. The ants and worms work the soil, the spiders eat the ants, the geckos and larger bugs eat the smaller spiders and bugs, etc. And we have doves, ravens and magpies visiting for the occasional meal of protein.

Leaf blowers make me wanna :waffe:

Wow. I’ve hand-trimmed grass before. That’s no joke. Have you ever thought of using alternative ground cover? Or are you not allowed to?

There’s some beautiful ones. Like creeping thyme. I’m working on “wilding” a property in my family. We’ve planted a bunch of new plants and next year, I think we’re going to plant some alternative ground cover in some of the areas of the yard. :3
I also want to set up a heated water station for the winter, and next year, I think we might construct a den or two in hopes of maybe getting a Fox.

If all goes well, I want to set up motion-activated outdoor cameras! It’s the perfect location for it. Surrounded by woods. I love nature.

Good on you for caring about the wee little critters of the world!

PS: Ravens are my favorite birds! They’re so smart aren’t they?
 

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Ive never considered it before I read that report from Germany. I guess it makes sense, though. There is little vegetation left in the world, and quite a big part of it is lawns.. Wow, that's insane. Now I can be lazy in the name of environmentalism. I'll post photos of my unkempt yard on facebook and reap that sweet, sweet social currency.

SKAM means shame. It is a series about high school kids in Norway. It put emphasis on realism, and is pretty cool. The concept was sold to the US, and a version taking place in Texas was made. I think it was called SKAM Austin.

The cheese is Jarlsberg! Yeah its good stuff.

This drunk Norwegian ate five fish courses today, some of which were salmon... Damn those stereotypes.

Who told you youd fit in in Norway? Frankly, Im amazed any of you know anything about Norway at all. There are 3 Norwegians here, an American who speaks Norwegian, and loads of people who know strange details about Norway. Oh and Polaris randomly displays the Norwegian proficiency required to make puns o_O What is this sorcery?

No wife carrying in Norway! I think that is a Finnish thing. You know, the Nokia guys who speak like the elves in LOTR.

Corvids are awesome! Have you read about caledonian crows? They drop nuts in traffic so cars will run them over, and they can collect the contents. They dont drop them just anywhere, though. They drop them on pedestrian crossings, so they can collect when traffic stops. Id be pretty proud if I had that idea, myself.
 

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Damn, really? I figured you were using google translate in the other thread! You really gotta come live here, now, else learning Norwegian will be a total waste. I mean.. Were 5 million people, it's not like you'll randomly bump into us on the streets of New York.

What do you watch on NRK? I hear SKAM was big in US?

And you say you sexually identify as trap (which is hilarious, btw)... I guess that means you're androgynous? Did you put up a picture here, once?
I really hope I fit in better in norway, right now im surrounded by religious people who think science is satans trick to fool the world. I cannot remember how I found out about swedish culture, but thats how I found out about norwegian culture. ( from my view they are similar) My english is so terrible I would be happy to just give it up and focus all my energy on Norwegian. I must say what ever tom fuckery I did to my computers operating system's language, has made it so that the computer cannot tell if im spelling words right. It wont tell me how to spell them even if it notices I fucked up. I learned to spell a few new words bc of that.
My signature is referring to the fact that with long hair I constantly got mistaken for a woman. Im going back to long hair, I find myself more attractive.
I didnt care for skam, way too much sex and drama. Lovleg on the other hand is my favorite show, its like more tame skam. I relate to the socially retarded main character too. I have been struggling to find stuff to watch on nrk since my favorite shows are over. I struggle to understand certain accents, which doesnt give me too many options.
I noticed the most rural accents are the most attractive. People that pronounce R as W are super cute to me.
I have posted my picture before, my hair is sort of like lorde's.
 

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Wow. I’ve hand-trimmed grass before. That’s no joke. Have you ever thought of using alternative ground cover? Or are you not allowed to?

There’s some beautiful ones. Like creeping thyme. I’m working on “wilding” a property in my family. We’ve planted a bunch of new plants and next year, I think we’re going to plant some alternative ground cover in some of the areas of the yard. :3
I also want to set up a heated water station for the winter, and next year, I think we might construct a den or two in hopes of maybe getting a Fox.

If all goes well, I want to set up motion-activated outdoor cameras! It’s the perfect location for it. Surrounded by woods. I love nature.

Good on you for caring about the wee little critters of the world!

PS: Ravens are my favorite birds! They’re so smart aren’t they?

Aha, you're one of those weird hand-trimmers. I feel less weird now. May I ask you why you decided to hand-trim, or was it for similar reasons?

Unfortunately, due to the frequency that people move in and out of properties here, the agency has a pretty strict policy on lawn-to-garden bed ratios. Simply because it is assumed that most people cannot be bothered to, or have no time to maintain more complex garden setups. Which to me makes no sense since it is perfectly possible and easy to set up a more complex garden community that can be pretty much self-sustained....it's called native vegetation - dun-dun-dunnnnn

And native grasses here in Australia are nearly extinct in more populated regions. But these are some of the most beautiful and hardy grasses you could imagine. Sadly, not many people are even aware of their existence or their potential as decorative and entirely self-manageable alternatives to the boring old high-maintenance European style lawns that make no sense in the dry and harsh Australian climate.

I've got some creeping natives going now and these are attracting a very interesting little army of ants. I can sit there and study them for hours. They seem to be working all over them, collecting nectar, pollen and managing the little aphids that may appear. So in a way, they are doing a good job of controlling for the ratio of aphids that could potentially become a problem for the plant. Natural pest-control, so to speak.

Great to hear that you are working on a similar project. I'm curious - may I ask what the purpose of the heated water station is?

The cameras are also a great idea as it's a very non-intrusive way of recording wildlife. There are more opportunities for everyone now to be part of wildlife monitoring programs through apps and online sources - we can all contribute to the data pool.

Corvids are some of my favourite birds. First time I heard Australian ravens I was woken up by a loud and raucous chorus of UH-UGH-AAAAAAAAAAAUGH! and I was like WTF was that!!??

The sounds of the Australian raven always reminds me of some old Aussie dude sitting in a pub somewhere talking to his mate:


I particularly appreciate the "burp" at the end XD

Ive never considered it before I read that report from Germany. I guess it makes sense, though. There is little vegetation left in the world, and quite a big part of it is lawns.. Wow, that's insane. Now I can be lazy in the name of environmentalism. I'll post photos of my unkempt yard on facebook and reap that sweet, sweet social currency.

XD yeah, let thy garden groweth wild and thou shalt discoverth the wild life. Thankfully, Norway only has one poisonous snake :ninjahide:
 

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Ive never considered it before I read that report from Germany. I guess it makes sense, though. There is little vegetation left in the world, and quite a big part of it is lawns.. Wow, that's insane. Now I can be lazy in the name of environmentalism. I'll post photos of my unkempt yard on facebook and reap that sweet, sweet social currency.

SKAM means shame. It is a series about high school kids in Norway. It put emphasis on realism, and is pretty cool. The concept was sold to the US, and a version taking place in Texas was made. I think it was called SKAM Austin.

The cheese is Jarlsberg! Yeah its good stuff.

This drunk Norwegian ate five fish courses today, some of which were salmon... Damn those stereotypes.

Who told you youd fit in in Norway? Frankly, Im amazed any of you know anything about Norway at all. There are 3 Norwegians here, an American who speaks Norwegian, and loads of people who know strange details about Norway. Oh and Polaris randomly displays the Norwegian proficiency required to make puns o_O What is this sorcery?

No wife carrying in Norway! I think that is a Finnish thing. You know, the Nokia guys who speak like the elves in LOTR.

Corvines are awesome! Have you read about caledonian crows? They drop nuts in traffic so cars will run them over, and they can collect the contents. They dont drop them just anywhere, though. They drop them on pedestrian crossings, so they can collect when traffic stops. Id be pretty proud if I had that idea, myself.

My mother did, actually! We like to enthuse about culture. I expressed to her at some point that I wasn’t extroverted enough to be an American, and that our country doesn’t mass manufacture clothes for anyone with a body more complex than that of a 7 year old boy, and she said that I might as well go set up my reclusive computer lab in Norway because I would fit in better there.

Jarlsberg...that’s right. And you eat it with salmon, right? I’ve never had it with salmon but I covet that sweet, delicious cheese..mmmm...I love cheese. Real cheese, though. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried American Swiss but, well, don’t. If you haven’t.

To be fair, I don’t know tremendously much about Norway. I would like to know more. I know almost nothing about your holidays, or which drugs you guys commonly do, or what music you listen to. I have a vague idea that beer is the go-to drink, but I could be wrong - perhaps your people are more of a wine type.

I believe it used to be illegal to spay/neuter dogs and cats there, but now it’s legal? Is that the case?

I know you pay a TON for coco cola. Crazy. That seems like false advertising, because they hired a polar bear to advertise their product so I feel like Norway should get the hookup.

Well....what I really would love to learn about Norway is the same kind of thing I would love to learn about most of the cultures I take a liking to. What it’s really like. You can’t learn that from reading random facts.


PS: Yes! I did read about those crows. That was in Japan right? Have you watched that documentary on crow intelligence where they work through a number of tests to get food, using tools and observation? It was so cool. I have no patience for TV/movies as a general rule, but I love animal documentaries.
 

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why not use a scythe, or is that what you mean by hand trimming?
 

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Damn, really? I figured you were using google translate in the other thread! You really gotta come live here, now, else learning Norwegian will be a total waste. I mean.. Were 5 million people, it's not like you'll randomly bump into us on the streets of New York.

What do you watch on NRK? I hear SKAM was big in US?

And you say you sexually identify as trap (which is hilarious, btw)... I guess that means you're androgynous? Did you put up a picture here, once?
I really hope I fit in better in norway, right now im surrounded by religious people who think science is satans trick to fool the world. I cannot remember how I found out about swedish culture, but thats how I found out about norwegian culture. ( from my view they are similar) My english is so terrible I would be happy to just give it up and focus all my energy on Norwegian. I must say what ever tom fuckery I did to my computers operating system's language, has made it so that the computer cannot tell if im spelling words right. It wont tell me how to spell them even if it notices I fucked up. I learned to spell a few new words bc of that.
My signature is referring to the fact that with long hair I constantly got mistaken for a woman. Im going back to long hair, I find myself more attractive.
I didnt care for skam, way too much sex and drama. Lovleg on the other hand is my favorite show, its like more tame skam. I relate to the socially retarded main character too. I have been struggling to find stuff to watch on nrk since my favorite shows are over. I struggle to understand certain accents, which doesnt give me too many options.
I noticed the most rural accents are the most attractive. Where ever people pronounce R as W is super cute to me.
I have posted my picture before

I feel like there’s a kind of weirdness about the Swedish people that Norwegians don’t have. But I could be wrong, and I can’t put my finger on it anyways. I love long hair on a guy :) do it!
 

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Damn, really? I figured you were using google translate in the other thread! You really gotta come live here, now, else learning Norwegian will be a total waste. I mean.. Were 5 million people, it's not like you'll randomly bump into us on the streets of New York.

What do you watch on NRK? I hear SKAM was big in US?

And you say you sexually identify as trap (which is hilarious, btw)... I guess that means you're androgynous? Did you put up a picture here, once?
I really hope I fit in better in norway, right now im surrounded by religious people who think science is satans trick to fool the world. I cannot remember how I found out about swedish culture, but thats how I found out about norwegian culture. ( from my view they are similar) My english is so terrible I would be happy to just give it up and focus all my energy on Norwegian. I must say what ever tom fuckery I did to my computers operating system's language, has made it so that the computer cannot tell if im spelling words right. It wont tell me how to spell them even if it notices I fucked up. I learned to spell a few new words bc of that.
My signature is referring to the fact that with long hair I constantly got mistaken for a woman. Im going back to long hair, I find myself more attractive.
I didnt care for skam, way too much sex and drama. Lovleg on the other hand is my favorite show, its like more tame skam. I relate to the socially retarded main character too. I have been struggling to find stuff to watch on nrk since my favorite shows are over. I struggle to understand certain accents, which doesnt give me too many options.
I noticed the most rural accents are the most attractive. Where ever people pronounce R as W is super cute to me.
I have posted my picture before

I feel like there’s a kind of weirdness about the Swedish people that Norwegians don’t have. But I could be wrong, and I can’t put my finger on it anyways. I love long hair on a guy :) do it!
naked saunas. its the naked saunas. they also eat lutfisk, which is a crime against humanity. it means fat fish, If i remember right. my hair is already 6" or so, it was very long before. I at least got to donate it to children with cancer, so thats cool
 

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Wow. I’ve hand-trimmed grass before. That’s no joke. Have you ever thought of using alternative ground cover? Or are you not allowed to?

There’s some beautiful ones. Like creeping thyme. I’m working on “wilding” a property in my family. We’ve planted a bunch of new plants and next year, I think we’re going to plant some alternative ground cover in some of the areas of the yard. :3
I also want to set up a heated water station for the winter, and next year, I think we might construct a den or two in hopes of maybe getting a Fox.

If all goes well, I want to set up motion-activated outdoor cameras! It’s the perfect location for it. Surrounded by woods. I love nature.

Good on you for caring about the wee little critters of the world!

PS: Ravens are my favorite birds! They’re so smart aren’t they?

Aha, you're one of those weird hand-trimmers. I feel less weird now. May I ask you why you decided to hand-trim, or was it for similar reasons?

Unfortunately, due to the frequency that people move in and out of properties here, the agency has a pretty strict policy on lawn-to-garden bed ratios. Simply because it is assumed that most people cannot be bothered to, or have no time to maintain more complex garden setups. Which to me makes no sense since it is perfectly possible and easy to set up a more complex garden community that can be pretty much self-sustained....it's called native vegetation - dun-dun-dunnnnn

And native grasses here in Australia are nearly extinct in more populated regions. But these are some of the most beautiful and hardy grasses you could imagine. Sadly, not many people are even aware of their existence or their potential as decorative and entirely self-manageable alternatives to the boring old high-maintenance European style lawns that make no sense in the dry and harsh Australian climate.

I've got some creeping natives going now and these are attracting a very interesting little army of ants. I can sit there and study them for hours. They seem to be working all over them, collecting nectar, pollen and managing the little aphids that may appear. So in a way, they are doing a good job of controlling for the ratio of aphids that could potentially become a problem for the plant. Natural pest-control, so to speak.

Great to hear that you are working on a similar project. I'm curious - may I ask what the purpose of the heated water station is?

The cameras are also a great idea as it's a very non-intrusive way of recording wildlife. There are more opportunities for everyone now to be part of wildlife monitoring programs through apps and online sources - we can all contribute to the data pool.

Corvids are some of my favourite birds. First time I heard Australian ravens I was woken up by a loud and raucous chorus of UH-UGH-AAAAAAAAAAAUGH! and I was like WTF was that!!??

The sounds of the Australian raven always reminds me of some old Aussie dude sitting in a pub somewhere talking to his mate:


I particularly appreciate the "burp" at the end XD

Ive never considered it before I read that report from Germany. I guess it makes sense, though. There is little vegetation left in the world, and quite a big part of it is lawns.. Wow, that's insane. Now I can be lazy in the name of environmentalism. I'll post photos of my unkempt yard on facebook and reap that sweet, sweet social currency.

XD yeah, let thy garden groweth wild and thou shalt discoverth the wild life. Thankfully, Norway only has one poisonous snake :ninjahide:

Oooo that is a neat raven. I’ll have to learn more now. I need to google what Corvids are. I always learn something new here!

The heated water is so that the birds that come to eat the winterberries in the winter are able to get a drink. Water is hard to come by.

I wish I could say that I chose to hand trim for environmental reasons, but, uh...it’s actually because my ex wouldn’t let me use the weed whacker! I prefer to just let the grass grow. I like it when it looks like hair.

That’s so sad about your poor native grasses. I hate that the grass obsession has contaminated Australia as well. It’s becoming an epidemic. We need to do something. Someone needs to put anthrax in the grass seed or something.
 

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Damn, really? I figured you were using google translate in the other thread! You really gotta come live here, now, else learning Norwegian will be a total waste. I mean.. Were 5 million people, it's not like you'll randomly bump into us on the streets of New York.

What do you watch on NRK? I hear SKAM was big in US?

And you say you sexually identify as trap (which is hilarious, btw)... I guess that means you're androgynous? Did you put up a picture here, once?
I really hope I fit in better in norway, right now im surrounded by religious people who think science is satans trick to fool the world. I cannot remember how I found out about swedish culture, but thats how I found out about norwegian culture. ( from my view they are similar) My english is so terrible I would be happy to just give it up and focus all my energy on Norwegian. I must say what ever tom fuckery I did to my computers operating system's language, has made it so that the computer cannot tell if im spelling words right. It wont tell me how to spell them even if it notices I fucked up. I learned to spell a few new words bc of that.
My signature is referring to the fact that with long hair I constantly got mistaken for a woman. Im going back to long hair, I find myself more attractive.
I didnt care for skam, way too much sex and drama. Lovleg on the other hand is my favorite show, its like more tame skam. I relate to the socially retarded main character too. I have been struggling to find stuff to watch on nrk since my favorite shows are over. I struggle to understand certain accents, which doesnt give me too many options.
I noticed the most rural accents are the most attractive. Where ever people pronounce R as W is super cute to me.
I have posted my picture before

I feel like there’s a kind of weirdness about the Swedish people that Norwegians don’t have. But I could be wrong, and I can’t put my finger on it anyways. I love long hair on a guy :) do it!
naked saunas. its the naked saunas. they also eat lutfisk, which is a crime against humanity. it means fat fish, If i remember right. my hair is already 6" or so, it was very long before. I at least got to donate it to children with cancer, so thats cool

Woah. This is the first I’m hearing of the naked saunas. Jeez. The Japanese have their bath houses and now this. Why do people from the USA have to be so body-conscious? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all just be cool with nakedness?

I’ve entertained notions of going to a nudest beach. I don’t think I ever would follow through on it, but my experience with skinny dipping in highschool that me that naked swimming is the way to go.

Well, unless you’re Norwegian. In which case naked swimming is probably the way to die. What temperature is the water there? Like...slushie? Kill Leonardo De Caprio temperature? Maybe it’s nice during the summer though.
There’s so much I don’t know :/

I bet that it’s not what makes the Norwegians so cool though. I bet it’s all the healthy fish oil they eat. People in Sweden meanwhile are getting high off their chocolate and making super complicated watches and pocket knives.
 

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A scythe is definitely on my wishlist, but it is difficult to get the shapes right unless you use shears. I use one of these:

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Edit: and I'm guessing that someone is now going to ask me what I mean by "shapes". Polaris' weird obsessions are bound to see the light of day :ahh:
 

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why not use a scythe, or is that what you mean by hand trimming?

A scythe is definitely on my wishlist, but it is difficult to get the shapes right unless you use shears. I use one of these:


Edit: and I'm guessing that someone is now going to ask me what I mean by "shapes". Polaris' weird obsessions are bound to see the light of day :ahh:

Admit it Polaris. You’re dying to enthuse about scythes & shapes. Go ahead. Impress us with your scythely knowledge.

Edit: except I realized after the fact that you’re talking about grass shapes! The challenge stands...although I think I may know where you’re headed because I think I might have a similar preference
 

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Im not sure what you are referring to if that was meant for me. Norwegians swim naked all the time, its a family thing as well. my brain always thinks familie instead of family now. norwegian sounds better than english, swedish is the prettiest though.
Edit: you mean nrk.no? its a norwegian site that is like news+tv+ netflix(kinda)
 

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Im not sure what you are referring to if that was meant for me. Norwegians swim naked all the time, its a family thing as well. my brain always thinks familie instead of family now. norwegian sounds better than english, swedish is the prettiest though.

Oh. Maybe it was someone else.
I’ve been learning about my shadow function, and it creeps me out, because it’s too familiar. Have you looked much into the shadow function for INTPs?
 

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why not use a scythe, or is that what you mean by hand trimming?

A scythe is definitely on my wishlist, but it is difficult to get the shapes right unless you use shears. I use one of these:


Edit: and I'm guessing that someone is now going to ask me what I mean by "shapes". Polaris' weird obsessions are bound to see the light of day :ahh:

Oh! Polaris! I almost forgot!
Have you watched Ants Canada on YouTube ever? If not, you must! I think you would love it! I’m a big fan myself.
I can’t believe you like ants too!
Tell me you like jumping spiders. Maybe we have more in common.
 

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Peoples, what did you mean before when you were referencing INTx, and other such letters? Link me to more info?
Im not sure what you are referring to if that was meant for me. Norwegians swim naked all the time, its a family thing as well. my brain always thinks familie instead of family now. norwegian sounds better than english, swedish is the prettiest though.

Oh. Maybe it was someone else.
I’ve been learning about my shadow function, and it creeps me out, because it’s too familiar. Have you looked much into the shadow function for INTPs?
nope. I was obsessed with mbti for a while, not anymore. People are a bit too complex to categorize into 16 types, unless its broad. I could be wrong, and I havent done enough research to see how deep mbti is.
I have ascended beyond labels (sarcasm)
 

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Oooo that is a neat raven. I’ll have to learn more now. I need to google what Corvids are. I always learn something new here!

The heated water is so that the birds that come to eat the winterberries in the winter are able to get a drink. Water is hard to come by.

I wish I could say that I chose to hand trim for environmental reasons, but, uh...it’s actually because my ex wouldn’t let me use the weed whacker! I prefer to just let the grass grow. I like it when it looks like hair.

That’s so sad about your poor native grasses. I hate that the grass obsession has contaminated Australia as well. It’s becoming an epidemic. We need to do something. Someone needs to put anthrax in the grass seed or something.

Apparently Australian ravens can live up to 22 years. Pretty amazing when you think about the potential for learning in terms of years lived. The (Australian) bird that lives the longest however, is the magnificent Palm cockatoo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_cockatoo

Some of these have been recorded to live to nearly 90 in captivity, but these claims are anecdotal. The more realistic claim was about 56 years, which is still pretty good for a bird. They are also one of the few bird species known to use tools.

Okay, so I am now revealing my inner bird-nerd as well as proclivity for trimming grass to the nth degree. I shall not drown everyone in my bird-ramblings....I've been told off before for going on and on about birds.

/birdtalk

But I must admit it touches me deeply when someone takes time out to care for local wildlife rather than dismissing them or taking them for granted. I like your water idea. We need more people like you on this planet.

XD anthrax is actually naturally occurring in soil, so you are not far from the truth.

Edit: haha, ninja'd again

@Inexorable Username I have always been fascinated by ants. Small critters in general have always intrigued me more than larger ones. Maybe because we know so little about them compared to larger ones.

Thanks for the tip! I shall go and investigate. I did a study on ants once, it was incredibly illuminating but I shan't go into too much detail here in case I bore the knickers off everyone.

And yes, jumping spiders have great personalities - I swear :ninjahide:

Edit 2: @Inexorable Username okay, so this video is what I was looking for: Australian Peacock spider:

 

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Hmm, yes. We have a natural (and to some extent necessary) tendency to categorise to make sense of our surroundings, but I guess the negative aspect of that is our other tendency to restrict the thing by its category and thus forget all other aspects of the thing.
 

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Oooo that is a neat raven. I’ll have to learn more now. I need to google what Corvids are. I always learn something new here!

The heated water is so that the birds that come to eat the winterberries in the winter are able to get a drink. Water is hard to come by.

I wish I could say that I chose to hand trim for environmental reasons, but, uh...it’s actually because my ex wouldn’t let me use the weed whacker! I prefer to just let the grass grow. I like it when it looks like hair.

That’s so sad about your poor native grasses. I hate that the grass obsession has contaminated Australia as well. It’s becoming an epidemic. We need to do something. Someone needs to put anthrax in the grass seed or something.

Apparently Australian ravens can live up to 22 years. Pretty amazing when you think about the potential for learning in terms of years lived. The (Australian) bird that lives the longest however, is the magnificent Palm cockatoo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_cockatoo

Some of these have been recorded to live to nearly 90 in captivity, but these claims are anecdotal. The more realistic claim was about 56 years, which is still pretty good for a bird. They are also one of the few bird species known to use tools.

Okay, so I am now revealing my inner bird-nerd as well as proclivity for trimming grass to the nth degree. I shall not drown everyone in my bird-ramblings....I've been told off before for going on and on about birds.

/birdtalk

But I must admit it touches me deeply when someone takes time out to care for local wildlife rather than dismissing them or taking them for granted. I like your water idea. We need more people like you on this planet.

XD anthrax is actually naturally occurring in soil, so you are not far from the truth.

Edit: haha, ninja'd again

@Inexorable Username I have always been fascinated by ants. Small critters in general have always intrigued me more than larger ones. Maybe because we know so little about them compared to larger ones.

Thanks for the tip! I shall go and investigate. I did a study on ants once, it was incredibly illuminating but I shan't go into too much detail here in case I bore the knickers off everyone.

And yes, jumping spiders have great personalities - I swear :ninjahide:

Edit 2: @Inexorable Username okay, so this video is what I was looking for: Australian Peacock spider:

I found your video interesting, I think the world would be a better place if more people appreciated the animals and plants that make the whole thing possible.
 

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Hmm, yes. We have a natural (and to some extent necessary) tendency to categorise to make sense of our surroundings, but I guess the negative aspect of that is our other tendency to restrict the thing by its category and thus forget all other aspects of the thing.
I would rather dive into the information rather than separate it. its sort of like biology, I would rather learn about everything and not waste half the time learning about what class each thing is. I guess it can be important but I just dont care.

Edit: it is almost a complete waste of my time to learn classification, because just as in biology It doesnt hold any value to me, so I forget it as soon as im not required to use it.
I dont mean classification is meaningless and anyone who learns to classify something has wasted their time. Its incredibly important, I just dont care.
 

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Oooo that is a neat raven. I’ll have to learn more now. I need to google what Corvids are. I always learn something new here!

The heated water is so that the birds that come to eat the winterberries in the winter are able to get a drink. Water is hard to come by.

I wish I could say that I chose to hand trim for environmental reasons, but, uh...it’s actually because my ex wouldn’t let me use the weed whacker! I prefer to just let the grass grow. I like it when it looks like hair.

That’s so sad about your poor native grasses. I hate that the grass obsession has contaminated Australia as well. It’s becoming an epidemic. We need to do something. Someone needs to put anthrax in the grass seed or something.

Apparently Australian ravens can live up to 22 years. Pretty amazing when you think about the potential for learning in terms of years lived. The (Australian) bird that lives the longest however, is the magnificent Palm cockatoo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_cockatoo

Some of these have been recorded to live to nearly 90 in captivity, but these claims are anecdotal. The more realistic claim was about 56 years, which is still pretty good for a bird. They are also one of the few bird species known to use tools.

Okay, so I am now revealing my inner bird-nerd as well as proclivity for trimming grass to the nth degree. I shall not drown everyone in my bird-ramblings....I've been told off before for going on and on about birds.

/birdtalk

But I must admit it touches me deeply when someone takes time out to care for local wildlife rather than dismissing them or taking them for granted. I like your water idea. We need more people like you on this planet.

XD anthrax is actually naturally occurring in soil, so you are not far from the truth.

Edit: haha, ninja'd again

@Inexorable Username I have always been fascinated by ants. Small critters in general have always intrigued me more than larger ones. Maybe because we know so little about them compared to larger ones.

Thanks for the tip! I shall go and investigate. I did a study on ants once, it was incredibly illuminating but I shan't go into too much detail here in case I bore the knickers off everyone.

And yes, jumping spiders have great personalities - I swear :ninjahide:

Edit 2: @Inexorable Username okay, so this video is what I was looking for: Australian Peacock spider:


Saw that video two days ago! Immediately shared it with mom (who loves all living creatures), and an arachnophobe who I am steadily brainwashing into thinking spiders are cute so she can reform her murdering ways.

Wait! Before you check out AC, let me find you a good video to start with. Fire Nation is the best colony to start on. They are probably the most famous ant colony in the world. The AC family will love to have you. :)

Also, the maker of the channel recently got a pet bird that he vlogs about.


I am more than happy to enthuse about birds with you. My bird knowledge is still a fledgling, but it is fastly feathering.
I like seagulls as well. Starlings too. Crows, seagulls, and starlings are all considered pests here, apparently, but it’s just because they’re clever and adaptable. The way starlings form those shapes when they flock in the sky just blows my mind into little bits.

I used to volunteer as a transporter for a wildlife refuge and I had the opportunity to care for a young starling. It was nerve wracking, but such an experience. I’m glad that I only had to take care of him for two days because they are easy to fall in love with.

Anyways let me find you a good Ants Canada video to start on! You will love this channel!
 

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So, if you have the time and the interest, you could start with this video, which explains the setup of the Selva De Feugo and shows the Fire Nation’s first entrance into the enclosure.


But if you’re looking for maximum entertainment off the bat, you can start with this video:

Which shows the Fire Nation’s first experience in their new habitat, and how they (a domestic ant colony with no prior experience) learn to tackle the challenges of their new river and Amazon-styled biome of sorts.

I love this guy. He’s such an artist! He has such respect for the creatures he cares for.
 

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Edit: it is almost a complete waste of my time to learn classification, because just as in biology It doesnt hold any value to me, so I forget it as soon as im not required to use it.
I dont mean classification is meaningless and anyone who learns to classify something has wasted their time. Its incredibly important, I just dont care.

Classification was always a nightmare for me, despite the fact that I understand the importance. I just found the emphasis on classification a bit too much, but I appreciated the learning units were necessary precursors for further study. Learning facts for the sake of remembering was never my strong point. For that reason, I've always been shit at Trivial Pursuit, for example.

It kind of works the other way for me. If I find a general concept interesting enough, I'll learn the classification stuff because I'm interested in knowing everything about the topic. But the way learning is typically compartmentalised makes it very difficult to access unless you are a factophile.

I am more than happy to enthuse about birds with you. My bird knowledge is still a fledgling, but it is fastly feathering.
I like seagulls as well. Starlings too. Crows, seagulls, and starlings are all considered pests here, apparently, but it’s just because they’re clever and adaptable. The way starlings form those shapes when they flock in the sky just blows my mind into little bits.

I used to volunteer as a transporter for a wildlife refuge and I had the opportunity to care for a young starling. It was nerve wracking, but such an experience. I’m glad that I only had to take care of him for two days because they are easy to fall in love with.

Anyways let me find you a good Ants Canada video to start on! You will love this channel!

XD the bird puns...good lord, you're possibly worse than me.

How very interesting that you should talk about the concept of "pest" species this way. I wrote a long response, but I've had to move it to the "Polarish" thread because it became this huge depressive thing....so I will avoid commenting here.

Yeah, animals are easy to bond with if you take time out to learn their methods of communication. Starlings remind me of my home in Scandinavia and the long, light nights in spring and early summer when their amazingly complex song goes on till the early morning hours.

Until recently I've avoided keeping live animals because I become too attached. But I have a rescue cat now and he's like a little person. If you let them speak, they will reveal their little personalities to you, gradually. Very steep learning curve...

Thank you so much for your recommendations - I will save them for tonight :)
 

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I just had a stupid realization: acknowledging your true nature is not the same as being true to it. I think Im bitter about certain things because I deny myself the luxury of being a flawed human, I have been separated from some normal human traits so long I forgot I have them in me too.
fuck, I guess its time to upset some people.
 

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I just had a stupid realization: acknowledging your true nature is not the same as being true to it. I think Im bitter about certain things because I deny myself the luxury of being a flawed human, I have been separated from some normal human traits so long I forgot I have them in me too.
fuck, I guess its time to upset some people.

Hmm...or it’s possible that what you’re now realizing about yourself is still data on the superficial level. I don’t know. That’s just from my own experiences. I used to spend a lot of time being introspective and trying to figure myself out, and while it was really useful, and I learned a lot, there cane a time where I started to become very bitter, jaded, and nihilistic.

The only thing that cured that was learning to divorce myself of the opinion that I was the key to figuring myself out, and going back to a “childlike” mentality of learning about the truths of the world and human nature from others. Not...society. Others that I had identified as being consistently worthy to discuss it.

For me, the issue wasn’t the measurement. It was the ruler. Its like being on a boat out to sea, and knowing all about your boat from top to bottom, but understanding nothing about the sea in which it floats or the fact that the sea is, in fact, an ocean, many many miles deep, and vastly wide, but still with shores of varying types of terrain to border it.

There’s two frames of mind, if you want to make it that simple.
Finding yourself from the inside out, in which case we highlight what it is that makes us different, or finding ourselves from the outside in, in which case, we learn how we are essentially all the same.

I think the former lends itself to nihilism.
If you use your own biased, skewed, crippled understanding of the world as a metric by which to judge humanity’s worth and the world order, you’re bound to be disappointed. There is no way that the world or humanity will be able to tick off all your black and white, narrow-minded check boxes (which I find we all seem to have, even though we try very hard not to).

The latter seems to lend itself to wisdom. There have been many, many great minds and philosophies that have preceded this moment in time, and thousands upon thousands of hours have gone in to forming a database of human knowledge that has been created by brains equal to or better than our own. Humans contributing philosophy and understanding, affected by varying cultures, experiences, etc., leading to intellectual diversity that, when combined, presents a lesser risk of bias than one person reinventing the wheel themselves.

One useful philosophy I came to understand is that we are not one person, but hundreds of thousands of instances of existence. An hour ago, you were Peoples from that hour. Now you are no longer that Peoples.

The reason this is helpful is that you say you don’t appreciate labels and you want to escape them. It makes sense. Labelling yourself is like fortune telling. When you appreciate that you are not who you were, and won’t be who you are, then little mundane, trivial bullshit like “Why do I bark like a dog but walk like a cat”, starts to fade away into inconsequential background static, and your brain can make room for real truth.

It’s like your body and your mind are a vast, open book, where an infinite amount of invaluable information is available to you at the top of your fingers - but some jerk cake along and highlighted all of the stupidest lines. That jerk is culture. The book is something we find when we’re able to identify what is culture’s definition of what we should care about, and what is the world’s definition of what we should care about.

The easiest way to do that, I find, is to turn to philosophy, because that section of knowledge is rife with past humans of brilliant mental prowess who have done their best to strip their books of the highlighting. They didn’t all hit the mark, which is why it’s kind of a compare and contrast exercise. Themes arise though. This is how I’ve been discovering myself.

The only time I get actually anxious or uncomfortable now is when I socialize. On my own, I feel pretty optimistic and assured...but not arrogantly so. It’s made room for a lot of my more positive personality traits to really take hold. Stuff I’d been repressing.

Anyways, that’s my own personal journey with it. If you look at some of the most influential minds in history, I think you will see a theme of optimistic and peaceful feeling. So, then, it stands to reason that whatever truths you are finding that are leading to bitterness and nihilism are probably not leading you to a higher level of wisdom. Unless, maybe, you suppose that you know more than hundreds of very intelligent, brilliant people, who dedicated their lives to figuring humans out. Lol.

I’m sorry. This advice is probably not helpful to you whatsoever. Honestly...the personal reflection part is probably a necessary step at any rate. I think everyone goes through an uncomfortable stage with it. It’s probably what drives people to dig deeper.

Or maybe you’re right, and I’m wrong. I’m almost always wrong - but in degrees. Not sure to which degree I may be wrong this time. It can be hard to tell.
 

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I just had a stupid realization: acknowledging your true nature is not the same as being true to it. I think Im bitter about certain things because I deny myself the luxury of being a flawed human, I have been separated from some normal human traits so long I forgot I have them in me too.
fuck, I guess its time to upset some people.

Hmm...or it’s possible that what you’re now realizing about yourself is still data on the superficial level. I don’t know. That’s just from my own experiences. I used to spend a lot of time being introspective and trying to figure myself out, and while it was really useful, and I learned a lot, there cane a time where I started to become very bitter, jaded, and nihilistic.

The only thing that cured that was learning to divorce myself of the opinion that I was the key to figuring myself out, and going back to a “childlike” mentality of learning about the truths of the world and human nature from others. Not...society. Others that I had identified as being consistently worthy to discuss it.

For me, the issue wasn’t the measurement. It was the ruler. Its like being on a boat out to sea, and knowing all about your boat from top to bottom, but understanding nothing about the sea in which it floats or the fact that the sea is, in fact, an ocean, many many miles deep, and vastly wide, but still with shores of varying types of terrain to border it.

There’s two frames of mind, if you want to make it that simple.
Finding yourself from the inside out, in which case we highlight what it is that makes us different, or finding ourselves from the outside in, in which case, we learn how we are essentially all the same.

I think the former lends itself to nihilism.
If you use your own biased, skewed, crippled understanding of the world as a metric by which to judge humanity’s worth and the world order, you’re bound to be disappointed. There is no way that the world or humanity will be able to tick off all your black and white, narrow-minded check boxes (which I find we all seem to have, even though we try very hard not to).

The latter seems to lend itself to wisdom. There have been many, many great minds and philosophies that have preceded this moment in time, and thousands upon thousands of hours have gone in to forming a database of human knowledge that has been created by brains equal to or better than our own. Humans contributing philosophy and understanding, affected by varying cultures, experiences, etc., leading to intellectual diversity that, when combined, presents a lesser risk of bias than one person reinventing the wheel themselves.

One useful philosophy I came to understand is that we are not one person, but hundreds of thousands of instances of existence. An hour ago, you were Peoples from that hour. Now you are no longer that Peoples.

The reason this is helpful is that you say you don’t appreciate labels and you want to escape them. It makes sense. Labelling yourself is like fortune telling. When you appreciate that you are not who you were, and won’t be who you are, then little mundane, trivial bullshit like “Why do I bark like a dog but walk like a cat”, starts to fade away into inconsequential background static, and your brain can make room for real truth.

It’s like your body and your mind are a vast, open book, where an infinite amount of invaluable information is available to you at the top of your fingers - but some jerk cake along and highlighted all of the stupidest lines. That jerk is culture. The book is something we find when we’re able to identify what is culture’s definition of what we should care about, and what is the world’s definition of what we should care about.

The easiest way to do that, I find, is to turn to philosophy, because that section of knowledge is rife with past humans of brilliant mental prowess who have done their best to strip their books of the highlighting. They didn’t all hit the mark, which is why it’s kind of a compare and contrast exercise. Themes arise though. This is how I’ve been discovering myself.

The only time I get actually anxious or uncomfortable now is when I socialize. On my own, I feel pretty optimistic and assured...but not arrogantly so. It’s made room for a lot of my more positive personality traits to really take hold. Stuff I’d been repressing.

Anyways, that’s my own personal journey with it. If you look at some of the most influential minds in history, I think you will see a theme of optimistic and peaceful feeling. So, then, it stands to reason that whatever truths you are finding that are leading to bitterness and nihilism are probably not leading you to a higher level of wisdom. Unless, maybe, you suppose that you know more than hundreds of very intelligent, brilliant people, who dedicated their lives to figuring humans out. Lol.

I’m sorry. This advice is probably not helpful to you whatsoever. Honestly...the personal reflection part is probably a necessary step at any rate. I think everyone goes through an uncomfortable stage with it. It’s probably what drives people to dig deeper.

Or maybe you’re right, and I’m wrong. I’m almost always wrong - but in degrees. Not sure to which degree I may be wrong this time. It can be hard to tell.
I appreciate the thought that you put into this response. I realize that I have been putting on an act for others, for a long time. Its like im trying to participate in the game but I refuse to accept the rules. I agree that labeling yourself is restrictive and silly, Im not the same person I was even a month ago. I feel I have developed all of my information on others from my own little introspective vacuum, as you said, I know my boat but I dont know anything about my environment, I keep crashing into shit and filling my boat with water, I need to spend more time looking rather than being focused on steering. You can try as hard as you want to go west but if you dont know where that is you arent going west, not for long at least. I agree that I need to find myself from the outside in, that sounds easier, and more healthy, less biased and more honest. I have to step outside my safe little vacuum and let the hurt in.
 

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Im being annoying again.

No, you're not. You're being super flattering! Lol!!
It's really unusual that I give out fanciful monologues of my own life experiences and how they may be used to help others, and someone actually responds positively to that! I'm a little amazed by you. You're so willing to consider the advice of others. I like that.

Do you like animals at all? Ever listen to audiobooks?
I've said this a number of times on this forum, but Buddhism helped me a lot. I don't really see it as a "religion", and neither do the Buddhists, apparently. It's more like a way of practicing valuable life skills based on age-old wisdom. If that interests you at all, try listening to the audiobook series "The Dalai Lama's Cat". They are very, very good books! Go check out the reviews!

I think just being on here, talking to a lot of people, you're already making massive strides in understanding yourself from the outside, in. I've made progress just in my short time of being here. This is a really excellent community for that! So many people who are willing to cross-examine you and give you life advice! Haha! I love it. I'm usually the one analyzing people. It's so strange to me to feel like I'm the one being analyzed - but it's nice!

Anyways. I have fun analyzing you, and you should take that as a compliment. It means you're an interesting person. I don't enjoy analyzing people who are one dimensional and boring.
 

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And yes, jumping spiders have great personalities - I swear :ninjahide:

Edit 2: @Inexorable Username okay, so this video is what I was looking for: Australian Peacock spider:


Aww I just realized that the peacock spider you sent wasn't the same one that I watched - and yours was way more depressing!

This is the video I watched. It's much cuter.
 

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No, you're not. You're being super flattering! Lol!!
It's really unusual that I give out fanciful monologues of my own life experiences and how they may be used to help others, and someone actually responds positively to that! I'm a little amazed by you. You're so willing to consider the advice of others. I like that.

Do you like animals at all? Ever listen to audiobooks?
I've said this a number of times on this forum, but Buddhism helped me a lot. I don't really see it as a "religion", and neither do the Buddhists, apparently. It's more like a way of practicing valuable life skills based on age-old wisdom. If that interests you at all, try listening to the audiobook series "The Dalai Lama's Cat". They are very, very good books! Go check out the reviews!

I think just being on here, talking to a lot of people, you're already making massive strides in understanding yourself from the outside, in. I've made progress just in my short time of being here. This is a really excellent community for that! So many people who are willing to cross-examine you and give you life advice! Haha! I love it. I'm usually the one analyzing people. It's so strange to me to feel like I'm the one being analyzed - but it's nice!

Anyways. I have fun analyzing you, and you should take that as a compliment. It means you're an interesting person. I don't enjoy analyzing people who are one dimensional and boring.
Oh thanks! Feel free to analyze away, thats sort of how I have bean learning about myself and others.
I love all animals, except centipedes, fuck those.
Buddhism is what allowed me to bounce back after a super depressing point in my life, I think the spiritual stuff is none sense but the message is very important, for lack of a better way to say it.
I will check out your audiobook recommendation.

If you are phobic of spiders, try riding a 36 mile sketchy bike trail full of them, by the end you dont care enough to slap the shit out of yourself trying to get them off. Worked for me anyways haha

Also something odd, when I first started meditating It was amazing, it affected me the way the meditation experts talk about. Then one day I tried the empty mind technique? or something and now no matter how hard I try when I meditate I have no thoughts, and it no longer really does much.
 

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I have a bad habit of ostracizing myself, my current model:
-Not going to class, only watching recorded lectures
-Talking little with people in work, outside of work
-Decided to stop drinking, which is quite a big thing over here.
-I enjoy most media by myself, It'd be draining watching TV with someone I couldn't get absorbed.
-Any video games I played was by myself, in my own time.
-Isolated from the family.
-Disassociating from friends, not acknowledging messages.
-Burying myself in ideas and books that I can't relate to others with, further isolating myself.
-I rarely plan social gatherings myself, I just recieve invitations. So given all the above, there's less probability of me recieving invitations.
-I grow by being alone, which gives me a compulsion to be by myself.

It'll probably subside in a few weeks, but I should indulge in some media content to keep a good social context. TV and sci-fi is desirable. Any suggestions?
 

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I keep wondering whether it’s easier to hear a neighbor who lives on the floor above you than below. I am on the top floor and never hear a single thing from below, but I do this thing where I like to amuse myself by practicing different accents, like I can suddenly yell out “yo who da fuck!” in a classic OG American accent, or stuff like “I am from Mehhico, maan” in a thick Mexican accent. The whole thing becomes even more amusing when I consider the possibility that the neighbor can hear all this shit lmao

Floor above is easier to hear! But I once lived in an apartment where the guy below woke me up from screaming profanity in the middle of the night...he was an ....interesting... dude... O_O

decided 10 minutes ago im water fasting for 3 days

No WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU DONT

You make a good point about irrational, extremist, "idealistic" movements destroying themselves with time, but I think it is interesting to regard these movements as nature's attempt at reinforcing consensus in a western society which is getting polarized by globalism. We had the church for centuries enforcing conformism. In it's vacuum we saw all these extreme 'isms arise. The ones we have now are at least better than fascism and communism. Perhaps, for a society, a stupid ideology is worth it as long as we are all pulling in the same direction. Then political correctness might be seen as an instinctive attempt at reestablishing conformity.

Wow, Im drunk, and even now Im being a serious party pooper. Im so sorry, Im hopeless.

Y’all need to stop apologizing, bunch of pansies. This is a completely valid points, regardless of your sobriety. I’ve actually not hear this phenomenon articulated so consisely before.


But I couldn’t really find any female role models. I also think there’s definitely an unfavourable perspective of women that I don’t value. I don’t want to be a man, but I often don’t like women much. Bad stereotypes, and a high prevalence of women that aspire to fill them.

There are stupid, defensive people all around who will inevitably capitalized on a social situation to make themselves feel validated as a human being.

However, gender quality has been an extremely slow-moving development for the very reason you express adversion to the extreme feminists. Women will not stand together if they don’t want to be identified with the actions and beliefs of the other women. Backstabbing is real, and often unintentionally. People don’t realize they’re making a cause worse by saving their own self-image from any tarnish. It gives off the impression that feminists are exaggerating, and there really isn’t any gender discriminations. Thus, unconscious bias continues in added strength.

No matter how bigoted someone is, there are always rational reasons for their reactions. I dont agree with the way some feminists degrade men, and I don’t agree with the way other women degrade feminists to not get “roped in” with them. I don’t agree with the way men believe their own reactions to these women, and I don’t agree with forgoing the any issues in gender discrimination because someone’s toes were stepped on.

Everyone is so caught up I’m their own self-images that they forgo the impact their projected behavior has on others. People need to get over protecting their correctness and their emotions, and get to the point.

*im not talking about anyone here, my references to “you” and “people” are all general, and they’re excluding personal experiances members on this forum have discussed

Feminists got rabid, now men are getting rabid in response. PC liberals got rabid, and then we put Trump in office. The volatility can’t sustain itself, so where might it settle?

People just want to feel like they exist at the expense of others.

Some feminists have gone rabid, but I think they are an (extremely) vocal minority. Most feminists wont admit they are feminists, and are quite reasonable. I'm pretty sure I am one of them. Basically, women have been oppressed, and we need to deal with that. Are we different? Sure. Should we have different roles? Possibly, but then we have to appreciate female roles much more.

It’s sad that the word feminist has gotten such a bad rep. Terms like “humanist” are people who’ve gotten defensive, and in response are taking a “holier than thou” stance to correct their public images.

I think the question is really, how will humanity go extinct?

Or is the question, are we already extinct?

Honestly im probably gender fluid or some stupid bullshit. I dont feel attached to my "gender" what ever that actually means. Im just a person, not really attached to my male parts either. I think perfection would be smooth chest and crotch, its just elegant, i suppose.
I suppose we are thinking can we, rather than should we. the reward is just too juicy to pass up.

You know, you have talked about how girls have better styles, and how most men are ugly to you. I’m inclined to believe this may be influenced by growing up with a poor male figure, and has created a negative definition of what men are in your mind. Please don’t misunderstand, im only proposing this, and I’m not trying to draw assumptions about you. You know yourself better than I know you.

I find the importance on style and gender identity quite rediculous to be honest, even though I understand why and how they exist. It’s dumb that men wearing makeup or frilly things is considered “gay.” How does that have anything to do with gender identity? It’s just what you admire aesthetically. Even being a “tomboy” is more acceptable for younger women, despite being labeled lesbian a women shows no interest in physical appearance. For young boys, they’re labeled queer or called a fairy if they ever put on a dress or makeup. Historically, I think families have been able to understand more when a girl wants to be more like a guy, because they’ve had more provlages and freedoms, but a boy wanting to dress like a girl would be mental, because there was nothing of social value to being a women. And historical attitudes sure stick with us.

If it makes you feel better: my most encouraging, kind mentor in my life was/is a man. He never gave up on me, always helped me come up with clear action plans for my goals, and allowed me to believe I could be good at something. (He’s unrelated to me, in his late 70’s now). On the flip-side, all the teachers (public schooling and in private lessons) who’ve traumatized and degraded me were female.

The definition you have of men doesn’t encompass the entirety of men, and it most certainly doesn’t define you. Whether or not you’re gender fluid really depends on you trying that out, and determining if you feel more comfortable. You are who you say you are, screw anyone who tells you otherwise.

On how natural gender fluidity is... I dunno. I've tried to get into guys. I figure it is the hedonistic, bohemian, "open" thing to do. But I can't do it. I found some porn once which... sooort of worked. It was a very feminine guy. Never found anything like it again. I had a friend who actually tried it though, although he is straight. He's my hero. What an awesome thing to do? It didn't take, though...

There’s been studies done about showing people pictures of the same and opposite genders , and testing for arousal. Women were far more likely to fall in the the middle of the spectrum than men. Very few men were bisexual, most only attracted to pictures of strictly men of strictly women. It was pretty interesting.

Im pretty sure men hiding emotion is learned.

It is.

There are men who are attracted to all types. A lot of smart women think they are being rejected for being smart, though, while they are really being rejected for not being all that empathetic. It is hard to think logically and empathetic at the same time. Most men find mother material sexy. So we want a mother, and we want a little girl. That is so messed up, I don't understand how anyone could believe in a God.

We have different relationships because everyone is different person. There is no possible way to have the same relationship with another person, regardless of the classification.
You don’t want to raise your mother, now do you? A female child would be a completely different experience.

Did we just have a conversation on intpf?

Yes, it was quite linear. Read the whole thing.

This girl im talking to wants me to make a snap chat, but im against it. I think im going to go against my desires and do something to fit in. not sure if im scared to be normal, or have I come to despise normal, intentionally avoiding it now that i dont like it. It never ceases to surprise me how annoyingly strenuous it is to be human.

Don’t do if you don’t want to! Normal is overrated, do what you WANT

No, but in all seriousness, it is a pity that we are taught to be cocksure, rather than to suppose.

Supposing makes you get along with a greater amount of people.

Who told you youd fit in in Norway? Frankly, Im amazed any of you know anything about Norway at all. There are 3 Norwegians here, an American who speaks Norwegian, and loads of people who know strange details about Norway. Oh and Polaris randomly displays the Norwegian proficiency required to make puns o_O What is this sorcery?

We literally have classes specifically about different Nordic countries. I’m not joking. There’s one on Iceland and Finland in particular at my school. A lot of Americans look at the Scandinavian contries like they’re the “the holy land.” Like Canada. It’s not sorcery, it’s admiration.

Feel free to analyze away, thats sort of how I have bean learning about myself and others.

ANALYZING IS MY TRIGGER

Well, from what I’ve learned about you thus far....

You are a sensitive individual with who grew up with insensitive adults. This has made you conscious of the impacts you have on other people. You’ve internalized the the way you’ve been treated and the way adults behaved around you as reflections of who you are as a person, that you are somehow responsible for their behaviors and treatment of you/other people. Thus, you approach other people with hesitance, feeling the need to apologize about who you’ve grown to think you are.
None of these things are true. The adults in yourself have projected onto you, leading you to believe are those projections. You are not, and thus you apologize for something that is not there. You are an intellegent individual, who listens to other people, sometimes too much. Trust yourself to figure out who you are beyond the identities others have unfairly thrust into you. You are fully capable.
 

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I have a bad habit of ostracizing myself, my current model:
-Not going to class, only watching recorded lectures
-Talking little with people in work, outside of work
-Decided to stop drinking, which is quite a big thing over here.
-I enjoy most media by myself, It'd be draining watching TV with someone I couldn't get absorbed.
-Any video games I played was by myself, in my own time.
-Isolated from the family.
-Disassociating from friends, not acknowledging messages.
-Burying myself in ideas and books that I can't relate to others with, further isolating myself.
-I rarely plan social gatherings myself, I just recieve invitations. So given all the above, there's less probability of me recieving invitations.
-I grow by being alone, which gives me a compulsion to be by myself.

It'll probably subside in a few weeks, but I should indulge in some media content to keep a good social context. TV and sci-fi is desirable. Any suggestions?


GAAAA I’m virtually slapping you

Stop it! Stop thinking! You’re a valuable human being! And you have value because you’re alive, it is THAT simple. There is nothing dysfunctional with your habits, and if that is the way you cope right now, there is nothing wrong with that. Start a social where you don’t know anyone there, and no one knows you to give yourself a creative outlet. It could be martial arts, poetry, or even gardening, I don’t know. Anything that interests you, commit yourself to attending. Focus your thoughts outward, on the task at hand, and everything you start analyzing yourself, fill your thoughts up with the physical stimuli around you. Sounds, smells, what your touching, etc.
 

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GAAAA I’m virtually slapping you

Stop it! Stop thinking! You’re a valuable human being! And you have value because you’re alive, it is THAT simple. There is nothing dysfunctional with your habits, and if that is the way you cope right now, there is nothing wrong with that. Start a social where you don’t know anyone there, and no one knows you to give yourself a creative outlet. It could be martial arts, poetry, or even gardening, I don’t know. Anything that interests you, commit yourself to attending. Focus your thoughts outward, on the task at hand, and everything you start analyzing yourself, fill your thoughts up with the physical stimuli around you. Sounds, smells, what your touching, etc.

You reminded me that I've been looking to climb a local mountain, It's like 3-4 hours. I have an exam on friday and then another on wednesday so it could be a thursday. Lavender is across the mountain, along with roaming sheep and a smaller scale "great wall of china" across the mountain. It should be good for the senses being up there by myself, with a new phone to take some pictures with. (I'm getting a huawei p30 pro on contract tomorrow, I've never been much of a photo guy so I hope this will change things.

Thankyou for the slap, I hope more continue so I don't become too internalised!!
 

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GAAAA I’m virtually slapping you

Stop it! Stop thinking! You’re a valuable human being! And you have value because you’re alive, it is THAT simple. There is nothing dysfunctional with your habits, and if that is the way you cope right now, there is nothing wrong with that. Start a social where you don’t know anyone there, and no one knows you to give yourself a creative outlet. It could be martial arts, poetry, or even gardening, I don’t know. Anything that interests you, commit yourself to attending. Focus your thoughts outward, on the task at hand, and everything you start analyzing yourself, fill your thoughts up with the physical stimuli around you. Sounds, smells, what your touching, etc.

You reminded me that I've been looking to climb a local mountain, It's like 3-4 hours. I have an exam on friday and then another on wednesday so it could be a thursday. Lavender is across the mountain, along with roaming sheep and a smaller scale "great wall of china" across the mountain. It should be good for the senses being up there by myself, with a new phone to take some pictures with. (I'm getting a huawei p30 pro on contract tomorrow, I've never been much of a photo guy so I hope this will change things.

Thankyou for the slap, I hope more continue so I don't become too internalised!!

No problem! I’ll hold to that. Late tomorrow, I will harass you on whether or not you went on the hike. You have been warned.

*in a week and a half, not tomorrow
 

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Floor above is easier to hear! But I once lived in an apartment where the guy below woke me up from screaming profanity in the middle of the night...he was an ....interesting... dude... O_O
that is bad news lol. Or does it just mean I have an audience...
 

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You know, you have talked about how girls have better styles, and how most men are ugly to you. I’m inclined to believe this may be influenced by growing up with a poor male figure, and has created a negative definition of what men are in your mind. Please don’t misunderstand, im only proposing this, and I’m not trying to draw assumptions about you. You know yourself better than I know you.
You are right, spot on, in fact. I have never had a single male role model that I have looked up to. My mom dated losers my whole life. Currently I look up to elon musk, I really to aspire to be like him.
I would be a woman at the drop of the hat if it were an option. real xx female

I find the importance on style and gender identity quite rediculous to be honest, even though I understand why and how they exist. It’s dumb that men wearing makeup or frilly things is considered “gay.” How does that have anything to do with gender identity? It’s just what you admire aesthetically. Even being a “tomboy” is more acceptable for younger women, despite being labeled lesbian a women shows no interest in physical appearance. For young boys, they’re labeled queer or called a fairy if they ever put on a dress or makeup. Historically, I think families have been able to understand more when a girl wants to be more like a guy, because they’ve had more provlages and freedoms, but a boy wanting to dress like a girl would be mental, because there was nothing of social value to being a women. And historical attitudes sure stick with us.
I agree, but im not giving cross dressing a shot. I feel like the trans thing is way too tacky for me. its like building a table out of press board and then putting a thin layer of real wood over it. Maybe I just need to think about it critically. I mean considering typical attractive facial features, im attractive, a few people have told me I could model. I dont really see that, and knowing it means nothing since I dont find myself very attractive. the only things that I find attractive for me would be long hair and black eye tattoos..unfortunate haha. Im seriously jealous of the knee high leather boots women get. -_- would look dumb on a guy.
If it makes you feel better: my most encouraging, kind mentor in my life was/is a man. He never gave up on me, always helped me come up with clear action plans for my goals, and allowed me to believe I could be good at something. (He’s unrelated to me, in his late 70’s now). On the flip-side, all the teachers (public schooling and in private lessons) who’ve traumatized and degraded me were female.
we have basically had polar opposite experiences, only at the end of my mentorship I was traumatized. She was the reason I started learning nowegian actually, she inspired me to actually use my potential.
The definition you have of men doesn’t encompass the entirety of men, and it most certainly doesn’t define you. Whether or not you’re gender fluid really depends on you trying that out, and determining if you feel more comfortable. You are who you say you are, screw anyone who tells you otherwise.
I agree, easier said that internally accepted though. Im trying to figure out/develop the side of me that society deems wrong.
Don’t do if you don’t want to! Normal is overrated, do what you WANT
I have to try it once to know for myself, or to give me perspective. atm it feels like im doing it wrong, life and all.
You are a sensitive individual with who grew up with insensitive adults. This has made you conscious of the impacts you have on other people. You’ve internalized the the way you’ve been treated and the way adults behaved around you as reflections of who you are as a person, that you are somehow responsible for their behaviors and treatment of you/other people. Thus, you approach other people with hesitance, feeling the need to apologize about who you’ve grown to think you are.
None of these things are true. The adults in yourself have projected onto you, leading you to believe are those projections. You are not, and thus you apologize for something that is not there. You are an intellegent individual, who listens to other people, sometimes too much. Trust yourself to figure out who you are beyond the identities others have unfairly thrust into you. You are fully capable.
BAH so weird to think people see me this way. I consider myself to be the opposite. I thought I was insensitive and self absorbed. Though I recently learned how important it is to be gentle and understanding with people, thanks Rebis. I listen too much? I demand proof. Growing up in an abusive household with unaffectionate parents, one of which wanted absolutely nothing to do with me, certainly has its disadvantages. I recently read that talking softly is a sign that you where told to be quiet too often, I have gone my whole life talking so quiet nobody can ever seem to hear me.

You really dont have to be careful about offending me, I have only gotten upset one time and that was at rebis for teaching me that we all have powerful unique experiences growing up that shape us and hurt us, that it really isnt fair to see yourself as a special little victim. Honestly when he said that( shorter less rough) I immediately had to disprove him and explain how I was such a special little victim, each time I tried I realized i wasnt right, and after 30 attempts at making my little snowflake case, It sank in. We all suffer, and go through our own unique growing pains. Fucking rebis making me self aware and "destroying the fuck out of my pity party". thanks my guy. <3 that honestly hit deep, I will from now on remember that exact conversation, any time I feel like im being a pitiful little bitch.
I think intpf peoplesuck is the real PS deep down, I have changed so much in the last few weeks its crazy.

I appreciate your insight, and that you took the time to share it. It means a lot to me.
Pretty sure I just saw my Fe for the first time. Weird, and bigger than expected.
 
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