The Perfect INTP Career (.com)

[Architect]

INTP Careers

Seems legitimate, however I signed up for the mail list and haven't gotten anything yet despite a promise of information about the ideal INTP career (affiliate marketing).

Sounds fine - I wouldn't mind work like that, on the other hand it may not be the most intellectually challenging job. And there is something to be said for having some external commitments, however small.

The video is amusing.

 

[Valentas]

I wonder how he drives traffic to his website. I know a few methods but his tactics must involve ads on popular blogs, otherwise it is not possible to drive traffic. Also 3k a month from promoting...if you take into account that only one percent of visitors will buy anything and you get only a fraction of sold product..then he must have miraculous technique of driving traffic to the website. Like 200k visitors a month or more..

 

[Intellect]

the ideal INTP career (affiliate marketing).

I worked in AM for a long time. It's definitely challenging and for someone who likes working alone, it's a great job.

That said, I really wouldn't recommend it for the following reasons:

1) AM really isn't the same as it was a a few years ago when I started working in the field. Most of the affiliates who were active then are probably gone now. The industry was hit with a lot of regulations in the last few years. It's obviously still possible to make a living in the field, but it's definitely more difficult now.

2) The work is incredibly demanding. You have to be ahead of the curve at all times. For an INTP, this can be really exciting because you're essentially solving problems full time. But, you also have to be working constantly. AM is often promoted as being this easy, passive source of income. That's just not true. In addition to all the work you have to put in, you'll also have to lose some cash before you start seeing profitable returns.

3) The work isn't very fulfilling. At the end of a good day, I'd have a little more money in my bank account. That's great, but after a while, the work left me feeling a bit empty. You're not creating something useful or offering a service that helps people. It can also be extremely unethical. You'll often be promoting products/services that are downright scams.

I wonder how he drives traffic to his website. I know a few methods but his tactics must involve ads on popular blogs, otherwise it is not possible to drive traffic.

In AM, you're primarily buying traffic from various sources. It's rare to see affiliate marketing campaigns running exclusively on unpaid search engine marketing (SEO).

I used to run a lot of popup and banner ads. Most of my traffic came from those sources.

if you take into account that only one percent of visitors will buy anything and you get only a fraction of sold product..then he must have miraculous technique of driving traffic to the website.

Depends on what you're promoting. I've ran several campaigns for affiliate products that converted $40 - $100+ per sale (as my cut). Online casinos, for example, convert really well for affiliates.

It all depends on how much you're spending on advertising, really. If you spend $0.50 and you make $1.00, then you're doubling what you put in.

 

[Architect]

Intellect - thanks for that information, which is about what I suspected.

 

[walfin]

So which of you is Denny, or is he from INTPc?

'fess up!

 

[pjoa09]

So which of you is Denny, or is he from INTPc?

'fess up!

Now we need a bunch of people claiming to be Denny and he'll now be the revolutionary leader who has brought substance to boring livelihood to introverted thinkers.

Followed by a mass arrest and staged executions.

 

[Analyzer]

Wouldn't web development, or web design be better?

 

[Architect]

Wouldn't web development, or web design be better?

Yep or engineering especially

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Is it possible that running a website that caters to INTPs is his Perfect INTP Career?

 

[Vrecknidj]

Is it possible that running a website that caters to INTPs is his Perfect INTP Career?

The thought occurred to me too.

 

[SMO]

INTP Careers

Seems legitimate, however I signed up for the mail list and haven't gotten anything yet despite a promise of information about the ideal INTP career (affiliate marketing).

That is actually pretty funny, an INTP starts a website, gets up and running, attempts to grow (what I think is a basic ponzi scheme) and he is not able to complete the most basic tenant of growing his business, coordinating and communicating with potential clients/customers.

 

[Architect]

That is actually pretty funny, an INTP starts a website, gets up and running, attempts to grow (what I think is a basic ponzi scheme) and he is not able to complete the most basic tenant of growing his business, coordinating and communicating with potential clients/customers.

I had that exact thought. The failure to deliver promised content made me think "yeah, this guy's an INTP"

 

[pjoa09]

That is actually pretty funny, an INTP starts a website, gets up and running, attempts to grow (what I think is a basic ponzi scheme) and he is not able to complete the most basic tenant of growing his business, coordinating and communicating with potential clients/customers.

Can't bite the whole chunk as a Ponzi scheme. A Ponzi scheme is taking ones investment money and giving it to another investor as a return from their investment.

I'd call it a mildly dodgy website that makes me nervous to why there is so much INTP related stuff.

I mean that's what was running through my head.

Why isn't there ISTPcareer? or something to that effect? ESFJcareer as a website. Are 70 million people describing themselves much better than the other 6.93 billion people?

 

[walfin]

Why isn't there ISTPcareer? or something to that effect? ESFJcareer as a website.

They don't need one, those have actually got careers.

 

[pjoa09]

They don't need one, those have actually got careers.

Well... shit.

But job unhappiness is a common thing!

So I am pretty sure all other 15 types have a thing.

Especially INFPs! I mean those guys got to be like 'wtf, wheres the poetry in bureaucracy'.

A little stereotypical but you get the point.

 

[Architect]

But job unhappiness is a common thing!

Yes it is but while there aren't a lot of MBTI studies, I believe one was done that showed that INTP & INFP have the lowest job satisfaction. You see it plastered on these pages and other INTP boards, and I struggle with my job even though it's pretty ideal. Some issues

• Deciding what to major in. Big one, we like to keep things open and study everything, its hard to buckle down and complete a degree in anything.
• Finding a job. We're not self promotional.
• Finding a good job. There aren't a lot of jobs out there that match our predilection for analysis, freedom and autonomy.
• Doing a job A lot of work is mundane, we don't like the mundane.
• Managing a career A career path needs networking, managing upwards, etc which we don't prefer and generally aren't good at.

I had definite financial goals with my career so managed to 'play act' all of the above, and it worked for me personally. But then I came to a point where the psychic toll was too high and some part of my psyche gave up. Basically it sat down with crossed arms and said "I ain't gonna do that anymore". It manifested as panic attacks when talking to a manager, for example, as that interaction was a SXJ role. In my personal example I was able to change jobs and turn it into one where I can act naturally (like the wild haired scientist) so it all worked out in the end.

 

[pjoa09]

Yes it is but while there aren't a lot of MBTI studies, I believe one was done that showed that INTP & INFP have the lowest job satisfaction. You see it plastered on these pages and other INTP boards, and I struggle with my job even though it's pretty ideal. Some issues

• Deciding what to major in. Big one, we like to keep things open and study everything, its hard to buckle down and complete a degree in anything.
• Finding a job. We're not self promotional.
• Finding a good job. There aren't a lot of jobs out there that match our predilection for analysis, freedom and autonomy.
• Doing a job A lot of work is mundane, we don't like the mundane.
• Managing a career A career path needs networking, managing upwards, etc which we don't prefer and generally aren't good at.

I had definite financial goals with my career so managed to 'play act' all of the above, and it worked for me personally. But then I came to a point where the psychic toll was too high and some part of my psyche gave up. Basically it sat down with crossed arms and said "I ain't gonna do that anymore". It manifested as panic attacks when talking to a manager, for example, as that interaction was a SXJ role. In my personal example I was able to change jobs and turn it into one where I can act naturally (like the wild haired scientist) so it all worked out in the end.

So you forcefully modified the tasks of your particular job to suit you? Made the manager to make agreements for your position? I was thinking about doing that in my particular case.

I personally think it would be ideal to join a start up website company. Very malleable and if you aren't a founder or manger you can just work out the bits you like. I know there are drawbacks and considerations that make this job less than ideal but other than this you got to be that a weekend philosopher while doing something else that is mundane as a survival job.

 

[Architect]

So you forcefully modified the tasks of your particular job to suit you? Made the manager to make agreements for your position? I was thinking about doing that in my particular case.

Yes, no, maybe. A combination, my manager seeing what I wanted and didn't want and finding a niche for me, and me putting my foot down on my preferences.

I personally think it would be ideal to join a start up website company. Very malleable and if you aren't a founder or manger you can just work out the bits you like. I know there are drawbacks and considerations that make this job less than ideal but other than this you got to be that a weekend philosopher while doing something else that is mundane as a survival job.

Hi pressure, lots of time.

There are lots of spots out there for an INTP I think, you just have to look for them. They're not obvious.

 

[mindtheplatonicgap]

Hi all. Here's my nickel's worth.

Perhaps Michael Burry is one of the best examples of an INTP (my guess) harnessing his independent intuitive/analytical intelectual strengths to make bank in a unique way. He was a full time medical resident recluse swimming in debt, working on his investment blog at night, turned shut-in hedge fund manager (people started sending him their money). Michael was one of the first to see the housing crisis coming and actually do something about it. He had Goldman Sachs craft a security instrument for his fund that allowed him to pinpoint and short the subprime mortgage sector in 05' 06' and finally 07' while his investors were screaming for their money back. Despite this, he made them over half a billion USD.

My premise is that INTPs are particularly talented at deconstructing real world macroeconomic events independently in order to synthesize and identify the underlying causes, making them exceptional contrarian/value investors. It also probably doesn't hurt that this particular INTP has asperger syndrome, and may have been able to analyze the data in a particularly detached, unemotional manner. Also, running a hedge fund is anything but low pressure. Which I presume is part of the reason Michael Burry now runs his own fund (no outsiders).

Definitely not for every INTP, but one hell of a gig if you can handle the emotional swings and pull it off. Mentally and potentially materially rewarding. Thoughts?

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/72756316-michael-burry-profiled-bloomberg-risk-takers.html

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[Architect]

Perhaps Michael Burry is one of the best examples of an INTP (my guess) harnessing his independent intuitive/analytical intelectual strengths to make bank in a unique way.

I did exactly that for myself. Recognized the housing bubble, sold my house in 2005 exactly three months after the local peak, though seemingly nobody else noticed. Had four competing buyers who bought for more than I listed at.

Then invested the proceeds into 30Y Treasury Bonds on the premise that a global financial crisis will unfold driving interest rates to zero. Buying a derivative (one anti-correlated to the cost of insuring subprime loans) would have been better, and I thought of it, but as a non professional investor I couldn't do that. At any rate the world crashed and I quadrupled my money. I'm still renting, but am considering building a house (house prices are still 20% too high).

Investors move as a herd, and it's against my nature to run with the herd, so I bet on when they run off the cliff. Yes it's a good form of investing for an INTP, however an entirely uncreative way to spend your life.

 

[Duxwing]

Yep or engineering especially

I've tried engineering in the form of my high school FIRST team and haven't found it particularly fulfilling. It's almost all Te-Se, almost all the time, and the usually fast-paced nature of it really rubs me the wrong way with regard to thinking things through. However, in those moments during which I'm left alone to create a theoretical construct, like the design of our robot's power system, I feel like what you described: a wild-haired scientist.

-Duxwing

 

[mindtheplatonicgap]

I did exactly that for myself. Recognized the housing bubble, sold my house in 2005 exactly three months after the local peak, though seemingly nobody else noticed. Had four competing buyers who bought for more than I listed at.

Then invested the proceeds into 30Y Treasury Bonds on the premise that a global financial crisis will unfold driving interest rates to zero. Buying a derivative (one anti-correlated to the cost of insuring subprime loans) would have been better, and I thought of it, but as a non professional investor I couldn't do that. At any rate the world crashed and I quadrupled my money. I'm still renting, but am considering building a house (house prices are still 20% too high).

Investors move as a herd, and it's against my nature to run with the herd, so I bet on when they run off the cliff. Yes it's a good form of investing for an INTP, however an entirely uncreative way to spend your life.

I take off my hat to you Architect, very well played.

I've been doing the Ameritrade thing for years now, small time, just buying long. Nearly doubled my investment with APPL after discovering my Norwegian roommate's iPod in 2004 and again in 2007, I should have upped the investment and stuck with it. I lacked financial knowledge and experience at the time. Would like to get into more exotic trades, commodities... It's clearly a speculative investment, but I own TSLA now. Its a business I want to be a part of. I've found that that sentiment helps me stick with it through the ups and downs.

I believe the higher education finance bubble is the next to blow. Need to do further analysis...

And eventually later down the road, or perhaps concurrently, a botched US T-Bill auction. Let's pray this doesn't happen soon, or ever. Since the greenback is the world's reserve currency.

The "fiscal cliff" is a joke.

 

[mindtheplatonicgap]

http://business.time.com/2012/11/29/is-the-student-loan-debt-crisis-worse-than-we-thought/