The joy of learning you are an INTP

[LAM]

"It is okay to be who we are" This has got to be it for me.

 

[Adymus]

"It is okay to be who we are" This has got to be it for me.

My ENFJ mother interpreted this as "It's okay for me to be who I am, but it is not okay for everyone else to be who they are."

 

[LAM]

My ENFJ mother interpreted this as "It's okay for me to be who I am, but it is not okay for everyone else to be who they are."

? you mean your mother taught or tried to teach you that kind of perspective, or thought that about your perspective?

 

[Adymus]

? you mean your mother taught or tried to teach you that kind of perspective, or thought that about your perspective?

No, my mom knows about MBTI as well, and she essentially used it to say "See? So everything I do that people don't like is just in my nature!" But then goes on to act like I am a bad person for being a Ti dominant, and acting in the way we naturally do.

So essentially her full perspective is "It's okay for me to be who I am, but it's not okay for you to be who you are if I happen to not like it."

 

[LAM]

No, my mom knows about MBTI as well, and she essentially used it to say "See? So everything I do that people don't like is just in my nature!" But then goes on to act like I am a bad person for being a Ti dominant, and acting in the way we naturally do.

So essentially her full perspective is "It's okay for me to be who I am, but it's not okay for you to be who you are if I happen to not like it."

I get pissed off about hypocrisies like this. Especially since my mother does basically the exact same type of thing <_<

 

[Cleo]

My first though was, damn I wish I'd found this out 20 years ago (I'm 35). But then I wonder if there are more positives or negatives to knowing at such a young age. I may have been less likely to have sought such a diverse life experience.

[sorry to interrupt the above conversation ]

 

[Words]

No, my mom knows about MBTI as well, and she essentially used it to say "See? So everything I do that people don't like is just in my nature!" But then goes on to act like I am a bad person for being a Ti dominant, and acting in the way we naturally do.

So essentially her full perspective is "It's okay for me to be who I am, but it's not okay for you to be who you are if I happen to not like it."

Maybe you should consider other possible factors regarding your mom. You might be just blinded by the differences and the "nagging".

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Is your mom a good person in your opinion?

 

[Adymus]

Maybe you should consider other possible factors regarding your mom. You might be just blinded by the differences and the "nagging".

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Is your mom a good person in your opinion?

No other factors are applicable, she is being a hypocrite, period.

I sympathize with the fact that she raised us in such a Ti heavy household that she has gained an adversarial attitude toward Ti, but that doesn't excuse hypocrisy.

She is a good person at heart, especially because the discord she causes is intended to keep Social harmony. She just never learned that you can't fix a personality into being what you want it to be.

 

[Words]

No other factors are applicable, she is being a hypocrite, period.

I sympathize with the fact that she raised us in such a Ti heavy household that she has gained an adversarial attitude toward Ti, but that doesn't excuse hypocrisy.

She is a good person at heart, especially because the discord she causes is intended to keep Social harmony. She just never learned that you can't fix a personality into being what you want it to be.

I have the same problems with my mom(ISFP), sister(ISFJ), and my sister-like cousin(ESFJ). I'm the only N in my family of 7. I'm told to speak more and tell the situations of my school and share some of my experiences in "speech" form which I lazily dismiss . Thus, I'm looked at differently but still is loved. My ENFP cousin came last year and I guess they and I were pretty surprise at how expressive I can be.
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I think hypocrisy is within us all. What's important is that we accept this trait and put it to positive use.

You don't think your a hypocrite?

 

[LAM]

I have the same problems with my mom(ISFP), sister(ISFJ), and my sister-like cousin(ESFJ). I'm the only N in my family of 7. I'm told to speak more and tell the situations of my school and share some of my experiences in &quot;speech&quot; form which I lazily dismiss . Thus, I'm looked at differently but still is loved. My ENFP cousin came last year and I guess they and I were pretty surprise at how expressive I can be.
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I think hypocrisy is within us all. What's important is that we accept this trait and put it to positive use.

You don't think your a hypocrite?

There is a difference between a hypocrisy which annoys or hurts no-one. Then there is the hypocrisy which is thrown like salt on a wound and that provokes anger and frustration.

Also I preferred your old sig. More fire and less blood

 

[Words]

But, overall, it depends on the intention of the hypocritical remark. Whether its knowingly used for provoking anger or whether the person had no decision or plan of action and mainly an action of impulse; possibly from the high Feeling trait. "To look naturally ugly is not ones fault." But if the remark was intentional, then its a difference of opinion that requires both parties attention and informational understanding.

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...Sig? I think its called an avatar(?). Why don't you have one?

 

[LAM]

But, overall, it depends on the intention of the hypocritical remark. Whether its knowingly used for provoking anger or whether the person had no decision or plan of action and mainly an action of impulse; possibly from the high Feeling trait. "To look naturally ugly is not ones fault." But if the remark was intentional, then its a difference of opinion that requires both parties attention and informational understanding.

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...Sig? I think its called an avatar(?). Why don't you have one?

Trying to say something about stuff like this to my mother ends up bad. Its just been completely useless and I don't want to make my mom feel bad anyways.

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I don't particularly like the concept of avatars or that I will have to spend time to find out a picture that will represent me online. (I feel as if limiting first impressions to a picture is just useless. Especially since it used to work against me so much in real life.)

 

[ijustprotectedmyidentity]

intjs are left brained work ethic people

while intps are lazy right brained people who just walk around and theorizes all day while intjs actually put their theories into fruition.

watch death note its an anime about a left brain intj high school student who is number one in the nation in terms of gpa and sat scores (very J)

vs an INtp lazy ass detective who is also smart as hell but lazy as fuck

 

[Robbaz]

Since I have discovered the whole MBTI thing, I have been driving my wife and others crazy trying to type everyone. I would say that I'm pretty consumed by it, simply because "finally, people make sense". My whole life, I never really fit in with the majority of people and never really understood why. When I started looking into personality tests, I was merely trying to find why I wasn't happy with my employment and what I should be doing instead. I first was typed as INFP and was somewhat impressed, but felt like it didn't really match up that well. When I did my own typing, I realized that I fit everything in the description. And then came the Paul James description and I COULDN'T BELIEVE that there was someone out there just like me. It was kind of creepy but awesome at the same time. I stopped worrying that something was wrong with me. Nearly everyone else I've typed has matched up near perfection. It is so amazing because people logically have order to them and finally, I did too.

I have to say that I've never been happier and more content and proud of who I am as an individual It's pushed me to try and use my natural talents more, using the famous INTP's as examples of what my potential could be. Watch out Einstein....

 

[Maiken]

intjs are left brained work ethic people

while intps are lazy right brained people who just walk around and theorizes all day while intjs actually put their theories into fruition.

watch death note its an anime about a left brain intj high school student who is number one in the nation in terms of gpa and sat scores (very J)

vs an INtp lazy ass detective who is also smart as hell but lazy as fuck

Thanks Have had a little trouble figuring out if I were an INTJ or INTP - I'm SO an INTP... hehe...

Finding out about MBTI have helped me to understand that there is nothing wrong with me, I'm not a freak, and there are others who think/feel the same as I do. Instead of feeling bad about not fitting in, I'm now trying to work on my weaknesses. In the past I've tried to force myself to be social and outgoing and now I know that it's not going to work. Being introverted is not something I can just "fix" and it doesn't need to be.

Talking about moms: I've been lucky enough to have a mother who gets me. (I think she is an INFP, but I'm not sure.) If I don't feel like talking, we don't talk. If I want to eat dinner alone in my room it's totally fine. She (and my dad)accepts me the way I am. When everyone told me that I was wrong, disgusting and should just die it was nice to have someone to tell me that there was NOTHING wrong with me. (I didn't believe her for a second, but it was still nice.)

 

[pjoa09]

Well, it was first denial, 3 months later more observation, some more denial, then will to be one, then more questioning.

Conclusion: An INTP with a big spike on my back. All the right signals until I can't understand why I like cars and driving fast.

 

[Crazythinker1]

It confirmed what I had already thought. I mean, I couldn't be the only nut job in the world, right? Of course it also explained me to myself so I guess I could say that, all in all, I was gratefull.

 

[Melllvar]

"The joy of learning you are an INTP"

Well, I only found out about MBTI stuff ~3 days ago, so the experience is still fresh in my mind.

In general, ditto what most everyone else said. It greatly explains why I've been treated the way I have my entire life, as I perceive it. The term "warred-against," as used in the opening post's quote, is a pretty apt description of it. My family consists largely of touchy-feely control freaks who can't stand that I'm always lost in my own internal world, and the few friends I've ever had are completely abusive, passive aggressive, senseless, irrational, and constantly berate and insult me when I dare mention something that interests me, as opposed to mindlessly following the latest trends and fads in popularity. They (family) used to drag me to shrinks who accused me of being a) oppositional-defiant, b) adhd, c) psychotic, d) borderline, e) who knows what else, and forced medication on me to normalize me. After reading the stuff at INTP.org, it seems hard to imagine that I wasn't simply an INTP-type person surrounded by simple minded imbeciles and fascists. If you haven't guessed, it's all left me pretty bitter, but being able to put it all in perspective helps a lot. I'm not wishy-washy enough to change my entire worldview based on some psych theories I read on the internet, but just knowing that I might not be the only one of my "kind" out there atleast gives me some hope. Now if only someone could convince the rest of the world that "different" != "mentally ill."

I don't mean to give the impression I'm putting all my hope for a better life on MBTI-types or this forum, honestly I'm not even sure I like the idea of the MBTI types (in short, seems like maybe an oversimplication of the broad spectrum of human behavior). But it is uncanny how well everything I've read about INTP matches up with "how I am," so that whether or not MBTI is valid or not, atleast I know that there are other people who don't like being hugged by strangers, are obsessively compelled by their own thoughts and ideas, and tend to stay lost in their own little worlds (and all the other stuff).

Man, I can't post anything short, can I?

 

[Crazythinker1]

an INtp lazy ass detective who is also smart as hell but lazy as fuck

Not to get off topic here but, damn that describes us pretty good.

 

[reprographist]

It helped me to know that I'm officially AWESOME, and now I have an excuse to be better than everyone else, not my fault, I was born this way

just kidding

What he said, but not just kidding.

Hehe (:

 

[trislit]

Some of the complaints in this thread concerning INTJ's are kind of funny to me, mostly because I am engaged to one. When we both feel the same way about something, there is no stopping us, but some of the arguments can be pretty out there, or maybe they are viable arguments but it always seems like its about something I could not care less about:P

I constantly lament not trying other career paths, even though I am fairly successful (I think) in my current one, whereas she made the decision a long time ago concerning what she wanted and noone will ever change her mind. I always thought maybe I was strange or just afflicted with ADD, but some of this stuff really makes me wonder.

 

[fishjello]

Well, I wouldn't say I've found out I'm an INTP, because I'm not certain. I've tested as INTP, and at least to a moderate degree, related to the type's description. However, I'm not convinced that either means I've found out anything. If anything, I've found out just how much I don't really know myself. (heh, as if I needed a system to tell me that)

Fortunately, despite the confusion, I've become a bit more understanding of myself and others, and the whole attempt at understanding how I relate to the MBTI has renewed my desire to know who the hell I am (or if such a thing is knowable).

I was deciding if i was going to choose a reply or just simply submit, but the comment i;m replying to deserves a comment. First of all, you who i am replying to is an intp.

secondly, i am an intp. I very much like the comment that intp's are lazy ect. Except that i work hard at my job and more hrs than anyone there. Another reason im posting is that i work with an istj, isfp, estp and i think isfp. Which is what has brought me here

The Istj is my close friend/ almost relative, and an isfp has shown good friendship during the course of work.

the other two are owners who only come in once a week.

Mostly, my intelligence is valued under par due to the other personalities. I surely hold back my own ideas of said personalities due to emotional reasons for the most part.

Meanwhile, i'm considered dumb and almost losing my job. while they are at the "top" of their class.

One thing i would like to say more than anything is that the fued that i see between intp and intj is rediculous. particularly because we are so similar and no type is really better than the other anyway. As far as intelligence, I would say that intps are better at theory and intjs are better at strategy. I have never beaten my uncle (intj) at any board game and i have never been over matched theory.

Funny side story, I witnessed my far from bragging uncle at Gatorland reciting something i will never forget. A man bombastically stated to his sons, "Man!, there's a lot of cypress trees in the Everglades." My uncle the intj, who happens to be a forester (not that "he" would need to be to know the the following), then mentioned to the small circle of us within his voice, "Those are'nt cypress trees and this isn't the Everglades".

LOL anyway, im drunk, but this is usually the only time i'm on forums anyway.

zak

 

[QuickTwist]

Do I find pleasure in knowing I am an INTP? It is what it is. Thats all there is to say about the subject.

 

[Pathosray]

Yes.

Anything to justify laziness.

 

[BloodCountess88]

Yes.

Anything to justify laziness.

And procrastination.

I'm not really lazy, but I procrastinate too much. I have to set timers up to make sure certain things are done. Like the cleaning.

 

[Towel]

Hey everybody, new here.
I found out that im INTP a few days ago. For years ive thought that i was "one of a kind" and that understanding me was an impossibility. Reading all of these forum entries makes me happy, because i feel that most of us can relate to each other quite well! Ive got my quirks here and there, i get really pissed off at myself when something turns out wrong and i know logically that i could have prevented it. I also hate most people (except you people) and tv. When i watch tv, its CNN. Reality shows are a waste of fucking time. Ive always dated introverted girls, for a general average of 2 years each. Im emotionless on the outside but rather opposite if a good friend brings it out. I never keep in contact with old friends or family, on the rare occation they will email me and i call. Reluctantly. Im a douchebag if you contradict my knowledge of a subject im expierienced with, and i hate it if people are within earshot of me taking a dump. Nice to meet you guys, ill be lurking

 

[MWysocki021695]

At some point in Elementary/Middle school I realized I was different than other kids, but it never bothered me. I never had large classes, so fads were constant and short lived, one day I noticed this and decided it was idiotic that people would go out and buy something or do certain activities just because everyone else was. However, I still tried to be friends with everyone, I never really judged anyone because they didn't judge me for not being like them. Part way through Middle School this changed and I began to purposely separate myself from the majority by dressing and acting differently. Some , rebels of somewhat of the same nature, accepted me, but the main majority did not, and began to be more withdrawn in social situations in school to avoid conflict. I'm still reserved in social situations, but I'm far more social than I used to be. By age 16, I was sure I was diffferently than most people due to the speed and accuracy I could solve problems, and my performance compared to other students. I was interested to find out I was and INTP because it gave me a reasoning for these differences.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

an INtp lazy ass detective who is also smart as hell but lazy as fuck

Not to get off topic here but, damn that describes us pretty good.

Yeah...I LOLed on that one too!

Anything Radiohead explains...explains us very very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSx6hXHzRHc

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

I was sure for years that I was an INTJ, and only slowly came to realise over time that I'm mostly in the INTP mindset - but when taking tests (like the MBTI), I narrowed my focus and flipped to J.

I do like being P most of the time. It's restful. Drifty. And then every so often I have to go "argh!" and do some solid J hours to rip through whatever mundane stuff's built up.

I would like to engrave this on my headstone.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Yes.

Anything to justify laziness.

LOL