The Irony of Infinity..

[7even]

We will never 'know'.

I was reading an article on societal views on public nudity, and started to think of clothing as a factor of drifting from our true self and reality, the escape of raw life. In the sense that later on we developed subjective judgment on a physical item... and so...


...Covering your true being. (Clothing: Abstract idea becoming concrete -> Value system incorporation (by means of change in culture, values, and ideas) Connection with bodily systems i.e. body-mind duality, therefore creating our own collective reality through subjective observations and judgments of the Earth.

So, can we evolve into a new dimension of thought and thus feeling, and could that lead to a change in inner sensation and the feeling of external energy?

If this particular fundamental clear and concise thought was that of Unity, Oneness... (Are we drifting towards a collective change in perception?) How would the progress of our advancements on Earth change; towards complexity and/or simplicity? Would we abandon culture? (Consider the awe a caveman would experience when looking at a plane, reflect, what follows after the age of Machine? Unimaginable? Or can the future only exist within the imagination? Is the imagination expanding or is it constant, can this be known?

Would this 'evolution' be considered a simple shift in a consciousness (a new age?) out of a myriad possibility (none of which has any objective meaning)?
Consensus reality is dynamic, it is a derivative of an idea. 'Time' should be looked upon a greater scope, what is a 'cycle' objectively? A cycle in its essence cannot be determined if not omniscient; i.e. with insight into the 'future'. A trip into the future is a trip into an eternal vastness (of creative thought) and possibilities of 'present'.

 

[PhoenixRising]

I think you have some good points here. The human experience is indeed one of subjectivity. There are many perceptions held by people in most cultures that seem to mask reality, to separate us from the real into a collective illusion. However, if you think about it, can a human being truly escape subjectivity? The mind is only able to know what we perceive, and our perceptions are interpreted by the (biased) mind, so imo it's nearly impossible to have an objective view of anything.

There does seem to be a present shift in thought in Western culture. We are on the cusp of many technological and scientific advancements: artificial intelligence, nano-technology, therapies to cure common diseases and lengthen lifespan, commercial spaceflight, etc. Many people are realizing that the way of life of previous generations will not work as we move into the future; we do need to be more realistic and collaborative. This is a projection of the imagination, indeed the concept of the "future" is a construct of the mind, but it is based on the perceived state of the outside world. It works both ways though, sometimes we actively create what we imagine, creation is a physical manifestation of the associative constructs of the mind.

Your starting thought makes sense when thinking of clothing from a cultural/social point of view. However, it is likely that the wearing of clothes began as an attempt to shield one's self from the outside elements and therefore survive. There are still some tribes in tropical regions of Africa and South America that don't wear clothes because the environment does not necessitate that behavior. Many times, humans take practical ideas and distort them into something unrelated to reality over time (the result of this process is commonly called "culture").

 

[7even]

The mind is only able to know what we perceive, and our perceptions are interpreted by the (biased) mind, so imo it's nearly impossible to have an objective view of anything.

I think so too; although there are arguments against epistemological internalism... Perhaps one can break through the barrier of 'mind'. Spirituality, freedom of thought etc. evolving from self-reflection. Conscious of being conscious of being conscious.

 

[Cognisant]

I think you have some good points here.

I think he's high.

No offence (intended) 7even you just write in a noun heavy way which makes you difficult to understand without prior knowledge of what those nouns means to you, for instance:

So, can we evolve into a new dimension of thought and thus feeling, and could that lead to a change in inner sensation and the feeling of external energy?

"Dimension of thought" = way of thinking
"Inner sensation" = subjective experience
"External energy", and you've lost me, you're clearly not using the standard definition of energy here, instead I think you're trying to make some poetic reference to the way in which our emotional biases affect our experience of experiencing reality, that's just what I think, I don't know, and I feel uncomfortable having an intelligent conversation with you when I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, y'know I'd be risking a misunderstanding.

What you're talking about seems interesting but please save the poetics for when when you're actually writing poetry, and not discussing philosophy.

 

[Holy shit this makes sens]

What you're talking about seems interesting but please save the poetics for when when you're actually writing poetry, and not discussing philosophy.

>Implying that Poetry is not Philosophy.


Let's not forget the Fathers of poetry. Who your talking about when you say Infinity is Parmenides, He spoke in this crazy super poetic way, I read his translated work - He was in 500 BCE. Poetry is the rythem, resource and a tool of philosophy.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Clothes keep me warm and they minimize incidental damage from the environment.

 

[Cognisant]

>Implying that Poetry is not Philosophy.

Just because a poet is coincidentally also a philosopher doesn't mean poetry has anything to do with philosophy, poetry is an art, philosophy is a discipline, there are many ways in which throughout the ages art has expressed philosophy or been a tool to explain it, and there are philosophies of art, but neither falls within the realm of the other.

Put simply it's ability to be written into rhythmic verse doesn't make a philosophy any more or less valid, nor does the accuracy of the depiction make poetry any more or less beautiful.

 

[The Introvert]

Just because a poet is coincidentally also a philosopher doesn't mean poetry has anything to do with philosophy, poetry is an art, philosophy is a discipline, there are many ways in which throughout the ages art has expressed philosophy or been a tool to explain it, and there are philosophies of art, but neither falls within the realm of the other.

Put simply it's ability to be written into rhythmic verse doesn't make a philosophy any more or less valid, nor does the accuracy of the depiction make poetry any more or less beautiful.

Well put, sir.

I agree with you (sounds like he's high [which is neither a good nor bad thing], uses noun-heavy sentences, etc.) but I also think 7even is on the right track: he's thinking (assuming he is a male).

The ideas he presents, however, are very loosely tied together (which again may be indicative of an altered state). Further, his point is lost in the convoluted mess of words.

For example:

If this particular fundamental clear and concise thought was that of Unity, Oneness... (Are we drifting towards a collective change in perception?) How would the progress of our advancements on Earth change; towards complexity and/or simplicity? Would we abandon culture? (Consider the awe a caveman would experience when looking at a plane, reflect, what follows after the age of Machine? Unimaginable? Or can the future only exist within the imagination? Is the imagination expanding or is it constant, can this be known?

You start to realize that all of these questions are indeed related, but there is nothing tying them together in the post. In turn, it becomes a jumbled mess and apparent eclectic collection of 'silly' thoughts. Let it be known that I think they only seem silly because they have not been presented properly, but I digress.

@7even
Perhaps you would provide us with a more detailed explanation of your thought processes? Try to go into as much detail as you can for each idea. Instead of posting a multitude of questions in rapid-fire, try to explain the reasoning behind each question and provide a backboard for us to understand where you're coming from!