Didn't work. I rest my case.The only way this thread can work is if it's taken impersonally, by the men and women alike.
Adaire,
Please allow me to apologize for myself and my fellow men. We will do our best to better acknowledge the true blessing of you and the other female INTP's non-stereotypical presence, input and advice. We don't want to you to feel anything but welcome.
Cory
What seems idiotic to me, is why it seems so many men complain about stereotypical women in the one place they'd be hard pressed to find any that even come close to the norms. Then they proceed to insult the woman there, and complain that they can't get the attention of any other woman aside from stupid bimbos. It's fairly straight forward to me, if you don't want the norm, don't go insulting the outliers and accuse them of being exactly like the norm.
Personally I like to take a certain pride and responsibility in my own flaws. My particular fails are my own, and have little to do with my genitalia. I mean if your going to insult me, please do so accurately, instead of assuming I must have a very specific set of flaws due to being female. I mean according to the stereotype I must talk to much, but people have to actively coax me into talk or I'll fall silent without fail, wandering off into my own little world. INTP females are completely divorced and alienated from the norms. Can't you understand at least a little bit, how frustrating it is that we can't even be recognized for our own faults, because we have the generalized ones pushed upon and expected of us? Even from other supposed INTPs, which by all rights 'should' be able to empathize, but no. Instead you choose to try to make us regret, to hate, being female. It's utterly dehumanizing. Fuck that noise.
and at it's core how is this any different from racism or other types of discrimination? How you manage to justify it in your heads is beyond me. Certainly all men can't be pathetic and weak enough to demonize women just to protect their egos and justify treating them as less than human?
Really though, my deepest, sincerest apologies for not having a penis guys. I can't thank you enough for supporting the ideas that have forced me to over compensate my entire life.![]()
Haha. A man talks shit about you, it upsets you and you cite it as degrading and stereotypical.
Seeing this, trying to be a gentleman, another stands up for you, tells the first to stop doing what had upset, degraded, and stereotyped you originally.
Your response? That it is lip service (thanks, by the way), stemming from the same misguided thinking that upset you in the first place.
With all due respect, and maybe I am simply being a thickheaded man here, but do you not sorta begin to see where men get the idea that you guys can sometimes be a little crazy and difficult? Hey, maybe I am just too dumb to get it, its possible. But just try to see where I am coming from here.
It wasn't lip service, just so you know. What the bottom of Minuend's post said really upset me, and I think it is pathetic and wrong when a guy hurts or hurts the feelings of a girl. Call me old fashioned, call it me "degrading" you more, as my action on your behalf could possibly in some fucked up way insinuate that I don't believe you can handle the situation yourself, whatever. I was trying to be polite.
You see, my ex Emily, the crazy b-word she can be sometimes, suffered abuse at the hands of an older guy when she was a young teen. I had to witness, firsthand, and help her manage all the the.....effects....it had, all these years later, on her, and had to try to help her overcome that trauma. My bad for getting upset by this stuff and taking it seriously, hoping that maybe, just maybe, I can change a few guys attitudes so that someone else might not get hurt down the road.
Just by the way, I didn't seriously think you guys are "better" than any other girls, average or not, by virtue of jack. As much of a shock as this may be to you, you ladies are the girls from "my" forum, and I was just trying to be nice and make you guys feel good, in some misguided attempt to make up for the jerk off attitude of the other guys. Obviously, this too is condescending, degrading and wrong of me.
So like before, I apologize, and promise to never again undermine your cause by trying to act like a gentleman and show a couple of women that all guys aren't immature little shits all the time.
Cory
CoryJames said:Haha. A man talks shit about you, it upsets you and you cite it as degrading and stereotypical.
Seeing this, trying to be a gentleman, another stands up for you, tells the first to stop doing what had upset, degraded, and stereotyped you originally.
Your response? That it is lip service (thanks, by the way), stemming from the same misguided thinking that upset you in the first place.
With all due respect, and maybe I am simply being a thickheaded man here, but do you not sorta begin to see where men get the idea that you guys can sometimes be a little crazy and difficult? Hey, maybe I am just too dumb to get it, its possible. But just try to see where I am coming from here.
It wasn't lip service, just so you know. What the bottom of Minuend's post said really upset me, and I think it is pathetic and wrong when a guy hurts or hurts the feelings of a girl. Call me old fashioned, call it me "degrading" you more, as my action on your behalf could possibly in some fucked up way insinuate that I don't believe you can handle the situation yourself, whatever. I was trying to be polite.
You see, my ex Emily, the crazy b-word she can be sometimes, suffered abuse at the hands of an older guy when she was a young teen. I had to witness, firsthand, and help her manage all the the.....effects....it had, all these years later, on her, and had to try to help her overcome that trauma. My bad for getting upset by this stuff and taking it seriously, hoping that maybe, just maybe, I can change a few guys attitudes so that someone else might not get hurt down the road.
Just by the way, I didn't seriously think you guys are "better" than any other girls, average or not, by virtue of jack. As much of a shock as this may be to you, you ladies are the girls from "my" forum, and I was just trying to be nice and make you guys feel good, in some misguided attempt to make up for the jerk off attitude of the other guys. Obviously, this too is condescending, degrading and wrong of me.
So like before, I apologize, and promise to never again undermine your cause by trying to act like a gentleman and show a couple of women that all guys aren't immature little shits all the time.
Cory
That's the stupidest contribution of yours I have seen all day and considering the sheer amount of stuff you posted today, that's quite saying something. Bah. Get lost.
The fact that you expected some grandiose apology to make everything better, and then went back to the same attitude you had before when it didn't 'work' should set off something in your head, if it's there.
^No, no
It's the height of rationality to hate everyone by default.![]()
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Was that comment inspired by the fact that I actually bothered to come back and address the situation? If so, people actually having the balls to come back and do that, (not to jack up my own balls), is something not a lot of a people have, and I think the world would be a better place if they did. So don't be dissing it.
This was supposed to be a satirical thread where people would come to generalize girls, play around with stereotyping etc. to keep it away from the rest of the forum, was it not?
With all due respect, and maybe I am simply being a thickheaded man here, but do you not sorta begin to see where men get the idea that you guys can sometimes be a little crazy and difficult? Hey, maybe I am just too dumb to get it, its possible. But just try to see where I am coming from here.
Well yes, I make references to "you guys" or "you girls" as, unfortunately, I am never going to be able grow boobs and be a girl and say "us girls". Sorry to disappoint.
Well yes, I make references to "you guys" or "you girls" as, unfortunately, I am never going to be able grow boobs and be a girl and say "us girls". Sorry to disappoint.
Not even when they need it?That's not a smart thing to enjoy. Good way to get smacked
edit:this was aimed at cog, I don't smack girls Adaire, really.
With all due respect, and maybe I am simply being a thickheaded man here, but do you not sorta begin to see where men get the idea that you guys can sometimes be a little crazy and difficult? Hey, maybe I am just too dumb to get it, its possible. But just try to see where I am coming from here.
Yeah, baby! That's how we like it! mmmm...Your so dirteeeyyy:PIn addition, poking a hippo with a stick long enough, it will get a tad irritated. Though a hippo would be able to put it's oddly shaped fangs into you and drag open your insides
it is soooooooooo hard for me to relate to shit like this.
it's like, on the one hand, i am female, so it's like i expect myself to care about stupid generalizations made on my sex. but on the other hand, i'm still a fairly masculine personality who hangs out almost exclusively with a group of guys, grew up with three brothers, etc., and i don't have any real sense of "girl power" or whatever. so i don't really care at all, and even agree with some of those negative stereotypes sometimes (girls are bitches goddammit), so it's a rather confusing position to be in.
either way, everyone is different and blah blah blah it doesn't matter.
Well I didn't see those pictures , and honestly I don't like them. Women are beautiful creatures, but some of them think they are not beautiful enough or that society won't accept them the way they are. People society expects too much from women really.
Well I didn't see those pictures , and honestly I don't like them. Women are beautiful creatures, but some of them think they are not beautiful enough or that society won't accept them the way they are. People society expects too much from women really.