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The Event Horizon Countdown

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A play of words..

I'm slowly becoming a bit of a technology nerd, or enthusiast, and I get excited seeing new technologies rolling-out. I've been resisting the urge to spill over with articles. Err, so rather than make a thread for each invention, I wanted to make this thread as a place to post all the advances I come across! And hopefully to discuss them with you fabulous people.

It can be a sort of countdown to that moment when our world will be turned upside down. Ya ready? Okay, here goes!
 

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Masdar City

http://youtu.be/FyghLnbp20U

This video is four years old, and this city is now just about complete. It is already here, as the first city ever to be entirely engineered from the roots, and to be entirely eco-friendly, non-fossil-fuel dependent, 70%+ more efficient at just about everything --- from electrical power use, to water recycling, to waste disposal, to natural ventilation & cooling, to transportation. Essentially a more realistic Venus Project.

It is quickly becoming a beakon and center-point of eco-development for the modern world. Other cities will soon start adapting the same principles, and I'd expect to see several new cities of a similar design popping up in the next 5-10 years.

Being this efficient means it'd be possible to create cities of this sort in more difficult areas of the world to populate, as well as eventually produce them more en-mass, potentially solving many 3rd world population problems.
 

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Genome Sequencing for $1000.
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[bimgx=400]http://i.imgur.com/8CMBqSl.png[/bimgx]

So the price for complete genome sequencing has dropped from $3,000,000,000 back twenty four years ago, to $1000. This means just about anyone can have their genome sequenced now, and more massive databases of genomes are starting to arise.

In just a few years, I suspect that they'll be a routine part of hospital procedures. Every newborn will have their genome sequenced before birth, as standard practice, and compared against databases for potential health risks.
 

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3D Printed Houses (under $5000)
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[bimgx=400]http://i.imgur.com/twCubG9.png[/bimgx]

China has engineered an approach that lets them 3D print large parts of a house and stack them together in quick assembly to cheaply create whole villages, primarily for their homeless/poor population in Shanghai which cannot afford housing. The houses are not extravagant, but they're sturdy (made of concrete) and provide a very promising solution to world poverty if this approach is replicated in other 3rd world nations.
 

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Solar Towers: 100% Green-Energy Power-Plants


Power plants are now being made that utilize a combination of several natural resources such as solar, wave and turbine power. Amazingly, the EnviroMission model in the first video alone is capable of powering 150,000 homes. The first one of these towers will be completed in 2015.

They work in any weather, they release no emission, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]they require virtually no maintenance and will last for almost a century[/FONT]. Plus they use no resources (like coal or uranium) making them have an incredibly high economic yield. I think these types of power plants will be completely replacing fossil-fuel based power plants in the coming decades.
 

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Masdar city is somewhat of a failure. Wonder why most articles are from before 2011? Yeah.

The automated subterranean transit system was scrapped and never implemented, the other sectors of the city originally planned for construction have been cancelled, and that which was built is largely unutilized. Because, of course, you can't build a city in the middle of nowhere and expect academics from the whole world to suddenly want to live there in the desert. More oil king unrealistic projects.

Reality Hits Masdar

Now, don't misunderstand me, the concept and technical realisation of the master plan and buildings by Foster + Partners is truly first-class (as usual). It is the economic-social unfeasibility that sucked, like in most techno-utopian attempts at insta-solving complex issues.

Which leads to the other issue.

3D printing of houses is, by itself, a great concept. Yet the tech just isn't there yet. I am sick of people announcing left and right the "first" 3d printed "house" for the 15th time without actually showing nothing but an extremely crude prototype runs lacking all sorts of essential things. So, some chinese can prefab with a printer some concrete modules to make a tiny $5000 tunnel (not a house)? Big fucking deal. Concrete prefab has a 100 year old history, and if you're gonna pump out the same pieces all the time you can just make a damn mould instead of using a printer (just like most gimmicky hobbyist 3d printer users). Besides, concrete has SERIOUS temperature issues, and I see no insulation there. Presumably the plumbing and wiring utilises the voids, but doesn't seem to make it any easier to install over traditional masonry structures. And oh the humidity. :mad:

For this scale of construction it would be equally if not cheaper, and much more effective, to use a steel stick frame with thin fibreglass-reinforced concrete panels and insulation layers. Or simpler still, structural insulated panels. The only possible advantage of the printed system could be speed, but then again, it's a difference of maybe 2 or 3 days, which is negligible.

Prefabricated steel and concrete systems have been developed and used since the late 19th century, and repeatedly ignored by mostly everyone, because of cultural inertia and general stupidity. To presume such a solution can solve the so-called "third" world's housing crisis is naïve and ignorant of the failures of urbanism in the last century and the actual origin of the housing crisis. It is not, and never has been, a technical problem. One can build a sturdy and reasonably comfortable house out of nearly anything at hand, as it has been done for centuries before our technology-obsessed era. The housing problem is fundamentally a land-ownership, zoning, density problem, a public policy problem, and at its core a socio-economic problem.

The single-family detached house will never be the solution to the housing crisis; such a scheme exacerbates the land-density conflict, and is wasteful of resources. Such was already obvious to the modern architects of the early 1900s. Well planned medium and high density mixed-use complexes are theoretically, and have historically been, the most effective. If you want to look at successful social-housing schemes, perhaps one could look to the policies and infrastructure projects involved in the mid-century British Council Housing system, the Mexican Centros Urbanos of the same era, or the Swedish Miljonprogrammet, or German, Austrian, Dutch, and French, to name but a few.

Technology is cool, but let's not deceive ourselves into thinking it will solve our social issues.
 

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Pwned by Kuu again. c_c

I totally didn't stop to think long enough about the other implications of concrete.. or the fact that this isn't a new idea.. or the socio-economic issue behind it.

*facepalm* goes to show how perceptive I am. =P I can be a sucker for new inventions.. I become overly optimistic/naive and lose perspective. Need ta slow down and think this through.

(But! the future, Kuu!!!)

Good points though. I wonder how the issue would be approached. Even if they don't decide to fix their socio-economic issues, at some point some other nation's gonna come up with a method to mass-produce liveable houses cheaply. How do you think they'd react to that? Do you think they'd hesitate to take it out of a desire to keep the lower class as it is..?

I thought the Masdar project wasn't going too badly. I heard about their reconsideration of their transport system but honestly didn't know about any others. I wouldn't consider it a failure yet; it still has potential to take more feasible approaches to the obstacles it's faced, and solve them for future attempts. I suppose like anything, the first few tries don't do perfectly well but it's a learning experience - for them as well as all of us.
 

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at some point some other nation's gonna come up with a method to mass-produce liveable houses cheaply. How do you think they'd react to that? Do you think they'd hesitate to take it out of a desire to keep the lower class as it is..?

Other nations already have various methods to mass-produce liveable houses cheaply. It's not hard at all. Like I said, it's not a technical problem. The people with the money/power just don't care about the people without it. And those in need of homes, that could build it themselves, aren't allowed because of legal restrictions: lack of land of their own, building codes, etc. Therefore: slums.

I wouldn't consider it a failure yet; it still has potential to take more feasible approaches to the obstacles it's faced, and solve them for future attempts. I suppose like anything, the first few tries don't do perfectly well but it's a learning experience - for them as well as all of us.

Except that those problems were fucking obvious from the start. If they had built that thing next to a place where people already live, or want to live, it would have been a huge success. A place where investment capital and qualified workers are already well established. Hell, it would have been a massive success in the city where I live, an industrial capital just south of the US border, where tons of international firms have manufacturing and some research operations, where steel and concrete and plastic components are fabricated, and several universities provide some of the best qualified labourers in the country, and there is a arid-climate with an oil-dependent government...

But people are just ... :facepalm:

Going back to the Chinese concrete tunnels, and the contrast to the well thought-out housing projects of the 30s and 60s, they make me think of this:

Mexicans are abandoning their suburban dreams and their 'birdcage' homes

Mexico's Subsidized Housing: Good Idea Turns Into Disaster

Building fast and cheap can be done, and has already been done. That's not the main issue. In last year's annual Arquine international competition about "how to solve the housing problem and design a better version of old housing estates" most proposals focused on a bunch of unproven technological solutions or simple remixing old solutions. The winning entry rather than a project was a set of legal reforms starting like so:

The solution to the social housing problem lies outside architecture. The way in which cities are built and the quality of life of its inhabitants are usually determined by public policies and laws, which the bureaucratic system of the state implements. We propose, from our profession, five new policies that would substantially improve the inhabitant's quality of life, while breaking from the existing laws. To design a better CUPA (Centro Urbano Presidente Alemán) you have to fuck politics.

I see this and think about this every goddamn day. What is required is a systematic rethinking of our societies, not some technological panacea which will never come.
 

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Curious.
The failure of those Mexican projects reminds me of an essay Lor wrote once about how a city is a semi-lattice that thrives when built in a way that interweaves all the elements of our daily lives seamlessly. The construction of each structure (whether a park, plaza, fountain, a hot-dog stand, etc) it's placement and its function, is considered by how it interplays with all the rest of the system in a dynamic way. Little things like considering what routes people will take to and from work, and what they might need to grab along the way and then putting it nearby instead of on the other side of town.

I guess it is more complex than just mass-production. It takes coordinating the production within the greater geographic context, as well as within the context of its own inner structure.

I see this and think about this every goddamn day. What is required is a systematic rethinking of our societies, not some technological panacea which will never come.
Mhm. But say for example that google's project Loon allows global internet access to anyone by 2020, and by 2030 3D printers got to the point where they can take in general dirt/water and use the minerals in it to build all sorts of things needed, including another 3D printer.

I think at that point, if even a few such 3D printers make it into the country, they could spread and solve slum issues -- unless the government would be so cruel as to deliberately destroy their printers so that they can't have what they want. I can see North Korea doing that, but not others.

What I'm trying to say is that at some point, it'll be *harder* for governments to keep their people in poverty - when it becomes so easy to get out of it - than to uplift their nation from the sheer throwaways of 1st world nations.

What do you think will come first? Do you think they'll change on their own before that, or remain stubborn up until it's just ridiculous?
 

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I can't take the credit for Christopher Alexander's A City Is Not a Tree, but I have promoted it at any and every opportunity. I based my studies in the potentials and failure of planning on the neglect of his principles, and on micro-political analysis à la Foucault.

Setting aside earlier isolated instances such as the great fire of London, the modern planning system arose from a desire to protect public health during the industrial revolution; it arose form a godly sense. That is, proponents were assured of their righteous interest and claim in the matter. Cleanliness was godliness, and filth was otherwise. There was therefore a moral responsibility to clean up the slums and improve living conditions of the workers... who weren't quite clean enough to be godly. (Mind you - the movement didn't quite gain traction until industrialists were also choking on their own wastes....)

That was quite some time ago but illustrates the normative role of planning. ie. it is about defining and imposing the morally 'correct' way, in this case, the correct way to build and utilise human habitat. Planning still reflects our notions of the 'correct' rights and responsibilities of land ownership. It is used to regulate the land economy. It is an instrument of preserving power with incumbent socio-political paradigms. Wealth based upon the notion of real estate as fungible good is one of the cornerstones of socio-political power and governments rely upon planning law as a means of having some currency with this power. Ostensibly to protect the public interest... but regulations are bargaining chips when it comes to relationships between big $ and politics. The constraints of regulations instead fall on the average and the poor.

But planning... a city that arises from its own logos has no need of planning. Indeed, planning is an obstacle.

Yet the problem is... land ownership relies upon Kant for justification - that is, we are dependent upon the community of man for recognition and policing of our 'rights' to property, so we therefore owe responsibility for our use of that land to the community that confers our rights. Hence, assuming an individual incapability of making a morally sound decision*, a justifiable basis for a planning instrument.

That said, if one is disenfranchised from power (in this case ownership) in a society, then what hold do planning regulations have upon that person? Why not build 'wild' houses where ever we may? What legal structure holds claim over habitat as a natural consequence of life? We live therefore we modify our environment. We live however we may in the circumstances to which we are born. That is an imperative. And political powers may crush us.

Having seen the planning system here from the inside, when I build I will go through the motions then do whatever I please based upon my own moral judgement. I will then leave it to the State to prove that my habitat is in any way a threat to my neighbours, and if so, then that that threat outweighs the loss of home to me should it be demolished. If the State has to contravene the Geneva Convention in order to remove my dwelling... (and I'm wealthy enough :facepalm:) I might just stand a chance.

But for all those poor whose homes are routinely bulldozed? :kodama1:

*anarchy ftw

Excuse the ramble. Please continue with the technological wonders of the possible. I think the key to understanding the likelyhood of technological adoption is asking... "who makes (or could make, or loses or could lose) money (power) out of this?" but I like to enjoy them and forget that humans are political animals.
 

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Oh, forgot to mention that the 3d house printer totally had me wowed - just the fact that it's possible, but I hadn't realised it was one of a long line of 3d house printers with a long way to go before they can supercede current techniques. (Never mind overcoming political motivations.)

Can't remember where I saw it, but the potential of 3d printing replacement bone structure for human bodies... amazing.
 

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Can't remember where I saw it, but the potential of 3d printing replacement bone structure for human bodies... amazing.

You might be interested in this, if you haven't heard about it already :)

I've heard about experimentation with 3D printing using patient's stem cells as well. Although it may be a ways away before the technique is successful enough for use, I think this will probably be part of the future of medicine. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could just go to the doctor every time something started to ware out and get a replacement? (We may be able to live for lifetimes that way ^^)
 

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On the topic of 3D printed houses.. While governments may resist mass production/purchase of cheap housing in some places, I don't think this will curb the utilization of 3D printing in architecture. It is in its infancy at this time, and not yet practical. But, it's also the topic of a great deal of experimentation in the architectural industry, and seems like a highly probable alternative to present production methods.

Not all prefab housing manufacturers do what they do to combat poverty. Most companies are in it for monetary gain - they have found a niche to supply to. Others support another cause, commonly the environment. If/when companies like these start utilizing 3D printing in an efficient way, they may well end up with investors from the political sector, similar to how many green energy companies have had major backing from politicians. I believe 3D printing will be a big part of the future of architecture. Will it be a resolution for homelessness? Maybe someday, but I think the technology will be utilized regardless of its ethical implications.

One example of a team that operates under the "eco-friendly" premise recently had Obama view their work: http://www.theguardian.com/artandde...k-begins-on-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-house

The government is taking steps toward utilizing and promoting 3D printing.. as well as regulating it: http://www.nationaljournal.com/whit...d-printing-at-the-state-of-the-union-20130213
 

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3D Printed Houses (under $5000)
Site: Here

[bimgx=400]http://i.imgur.com/twCubG9.png[/bimgx]

China has engineered an approach that lets them 3D print large parts of a house and stack them together in quick assembly to cheaply create whole villages, primarily for their homeless/poor population in Shanghai which cannot afford housing. The houses are not extravagant, but they're sturdy (made of concrete) and provide a very promising solution to world poverty if this approach is replicated in other 3rd world nations.

No foundations though. At best temporary.
 

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No foundations though. At best temporary.
It's not that difficult to add the foundations yourself and to prepare the ground, if you already have the base structure. Maybe some digging equipment and machines but nothing exceedingly expensive, compared to the price of the not - 3d printed house.
 

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I guess it is more complex than just mass-production. It takes coordinating the production within the greater geographic context, as well as within the context of its own inner structure.

Not just that, but the social context as well.

Mhm. But say for example that google's project Loon allows global internet access to anyone by 2020, and by 2030 3D printers got to the point where they can take in general dirt/water and use the minerals in it to build all sorts of things needed, including another 3D printer.

I think at that point, if even a few such 3D printers make it into the country, they could spread and solve slum issues

What are "slum issues"? Are they fundamentally material? I don't think they are.

Most people I know do own a computer and have high-speed internet. What do they do with that? Play fucking facebook games and stream brain-dead tv shows. These are university graduates. Now think of the 50 million people living in poverty, 100 dollars a month. What good is global internet access for them if they can't afford a computer? Fuck, what good is being capable of affording a computer if you can't even read? Even people with higher education that have spent years with computers are sadly near computer-illiterate, and couldn't 3D model any essential tool if their life depended on it. There is a systemic cultural-knowledge deficit, a sense of learned helplessness and social inertia that runs cross-generationally though vast segments of the population that you assume can be solved by the internet, but the problem is so deeply ingrained that for a considerable amount of those people the internet is as mysterious to them as the monolith to the apes in A Space Odyssey, a funny word they sometimes hear and of which they understand nothing. It's not an exaggeration to say that to many of them a book is worth only as fuel.

I can't take the credit for Christopher Alexander's A City Is Not a Tree, but I have promoted it at any and every opportunity. I based my studies in the potentials and failure of planning on the neglect of his principles, and on micro-political analysis à la Foucault.

LOR! Funny you drop in to mention Alexander, just a few days ago I decided to pour over his Pattern Language once again in preparation for a new project... truly remarkable and sadly overlooked works. How come you never told me about this, though? Too much good information hidden around, sometimes luckily available in the internet... often not.

Planning still reflects our notions of the 'correct' rights and responsibilities of land ownership. It is used to regulate the land economy. It is an instrument of preserving power with incumbent socio-political paradigms. Wealth based upon the notion of real estate as fungible good is one of the cornerstones of socio-political power and governments rely upon planning law as a means of having some currency with this power. Ostensibly to protect the public interest... but regulations are bargaining chips when it comes to relationships between big $ and politics. The constraints of regulations instead fall on the average and the poor.

That's a very concise ramble, no need for excuse. As a curious note, one does well to remember that the etymological root of politics is polis, the greek word for city-state which also originated police and, through the latin analogue, civilization...

On the topic of 3D printed houses.. While governments may resist mass production/purchase of cheap housing in some places, I don't think this will curb the utilization of 3D printing in architecture. It is in its infancy at this time, and not yet practical. But, it's also the topic of a great deal of experimentation in the architectural industry, and seems like a highly probable alternative to present production methods.

I believe 3D printing will be a big part of the future of architecture. Will it be a resolution for homelessness? Maybe someday, but I think the technology will be utilized regardless of its ethical implications.

Agree completely. For fabricating a huge amount of things it will significantly reduce labor required and machining processes for custom pieces, leading to potentially great stuff.

I just don't get the bone-headed obsession with printing a whole house in one go, when printing a set of parts that are easily assembled would probably work equally good and require less complex technology.


Now, to add something else to the thread: I want this now. I've been following these kinds of electromyography projects for some years and it's finally coming to market. It could revolutionise so many interfaces that are terribly unintuitive and clunky, I can think of tons of applications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWu9TFJjHaM

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-hardware/thalmic-myo-armband-provides-effortless-gesture-control-of-robots
 

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Myo Thalmic, indeed. ^^ My favorite application for it is, of course...

http://youtu.be/1f_bAXHckUY

The Oculus will be shipping their Developer Kit 2 in the next few months, and I'd anticipate the full consumer release by early 2015. I hope the Oculus consumer version comes along with some sort of interface like the Myo, since a way to interact with the environment seems to be what's missing atm, but it seems like a lot of different UI are being experimented with by different companies. I can see walmarts having an Oculus section with its own wall of Oculus-ready accessories for different games, like they do for the Wii.
 

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Hmm..
@ Kuu, Lor, Phoenix & everyone.. So, how do you suspect things will play out? Also, I'm curious as to what you think of this man's perspective of the future.

TED Video - Here

He essentially says that with the way humans are, warning signs aren't enough, and that it'll take crashing headlong into a catastrophic crisis before the world decides to seriously reconsider its energy-consumption strategy and economic system (possibly societal system too?).

If you could anticipate what'd happen between now and 2050, what would you say?
 

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On a few different topics...

Rejuvenation & Longevity
NAD+ | Reestablishing Mitochondria & Nucleus Communication
GDF11 | Rejuvenating the Heart and Muscle Tissues
SENS20 | Breaking down plaque-forming 7-Ketocholesterol
Telomerase | The Lengthening of Telomeres
Josh Mitteldorf - Playing the game for a longer life


This one still seems to be a bit farther out of range than other technologies emerging. I think it'll be at least another 7-10 years until something successful gets through the red tape and human trials. Possibly 15-20 years. But still definitely in time before I really need it! o.o



Climate Change
USA Climate Change Report Released
USA Politicians finally acknowled the urgency of climate change (funny ;p)
Obama postponing decision to build a massive oil pipeline


This is the first I hear of the US actually reconsidering an opportunity to get more oil. Apparently 2.5 million comments were generated from concerned Americans about how it may affect our environment - as it'd be a blatant step in the opposite direction of improving the climate. Still, nobody's officially declining the building of it.
 

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You might want to add this resource to the list. One of the most informative, interesting and critical collections of articles I have come across on life extension, ageing, telomerase research, etc. Written by a polymath scientist...

Edit: Ah, you added them, nice and visible -- thanks :)
 

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LOR! Funny you drop in to mention Alexander, just a few days ago I decided to pour over his Pattern Language once again in preparation for a new project... truly remarkable and sadly overlooked works. How come you never told me about this, though? Too much good information hidden around, sometimes luckily available in the internet... often not.

I didn't? I thought I was telling every one that would listen! But what a fantastic paper. I'm so happy you have it inscribed upon you now :D

I guess you already have access to and have read Michael Mehaffy's Notes on the genesis of wholes: Christopher Alexander and his continuing influence? It is so hard to find anyone in recent architectural or planning literature that will acknowledge Alexander, but Mehaffy gives a nice overview of Alexander's work and its place in urban design, its focus and its essential unfinishedness. That's what excites me....


That's a very concise ramble, no need for excuse. As a curious note, one does well to remember that the etymological root of politics is polis, the greek word for city-state which also originated police and, through the latin analogue, civilization...

ooh... that woke a few neurons!


There are so many fantastic links added now to this thread - thanks Phoenix, yours jogged my memory on the articles I'd seen - but I don't have the concentration just now to do them justice. I'll have to come back when the inspiration is right to read them all. A bit at a time. :D
 

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Indeed, so much info in this thread already o.o And there's more to come! (i'll have to catch up one some of those links)

Google Fiber - Internet speeds now up to 1GB/second!

I didn't know this until recently but Google has become an ISP, using optical (or light-based rather than electricity based) fiber to deliver internet up to 100x faster than the average internet today. That's... just insane. Leave it to google to pioneer something when everyone else is lagging behind. ^^

Currently it's only available to certain parts of the country (3 cities) but they have plans to expand that to 34 cities. What's even more wow-ing to me is that it's so easy for Google to deliver internet at the present average speed (5MB/sec) that, minus the installation fee, you can get average-speed free via their service:


[bimgx=400]http://i.imgur.com/ABCMkxg.png[/bimgx]

Or $70/month will get you that 1GB up/down-load speed. This essentially means that at this trend, unless other ISPs step it up, Google will be able to outperform all other ISP companies and provide the whole country with the present-level internet for free or close to free of charge. Essentially stepping up the game for everyone.

I think this helps the internet in countless ways, but i think it'll also make it so much more possible to have more high-res VR in MMORGPs. I don't think VR could really meaningfully turn multi-player without optic fiber internetz.
 

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I believe Google has the funds and the organization to provide national coverage(in major non-rural areas), but it's speculated that Google won't be going national because:

  • Their initial GFiber efforts were based on the bulk of dark fiber they invested in years ago.
  • They want to minimize costs & effort as much possible, to the extent that they aren't willing to deal with the bureaucracy of most cities.
  • They don't have the political influence to enter/dismantle the government sanctioned telecom monopolies in major cities.

I think as time goes on the big networks like Verizon, AT&T, and TWC will see Google's true extent of expansion, and whether they can keep their monopolies on high prices & low speeds.

At best Google's efforts should serve as an inspiration to communities and local governments to provide their own Fiber networks and stop waiting for telecom companies who just want to make a profit for themselves. Or we can rally in disagreement about the service we aren't getting from our ISPs for purely capitalist reasons.
 

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I believe Google has the funds and the organization to provide national coverage(in major non-rural areas), but it's speculated that Google won't be going national because:

  • Their initial GFiber efforts were based on the bulk of dark fiber they invested in years ago.
  • They want to minimize costs & effort as much possible, to the extent that they aren't willing to deal with the bureaucracy of most cities.
  • They don't have the political influence to enter/dismantle the government sanctioned telecom monopolies in major cities.

I think as time goes on the big networks like Verizon, AT&T, and TWC will see Google's true extent of expansion, and whether they can keep their monopolies on high prices & low speeds.

At best Google's efforts should serve as an inspiration to communities and local governments to provide their own Fiber networks and stop waiting for telecom companies who just want to make a profit for themselves. Or we can rally in disagreement about the service we aren't getting from our ISPs for purely capitalist reasons.

Google is also running fiber "for capitalist reasons".

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your shitty little house lacks behind the wisdom of thousands of years of knowledge of how to build your house according to your environment.
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"Capitalism turns men into economic cannibals, and having done so, mistakes economic cannibalism for human nature."
 

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Regarding capitalism.. ..perhaps I'm naive but the way I see it..

Humans are very clever at knowing how to take advantage of each other. But the pinnacle of that cleverness is knowing how to take, but not so much that you can't keep taking.

I think it's about symbiosis. In reality, nobody can escape "what works", not even economists, and we have examples of the most efficient economics in nature. In symbiotic relationships.

Utilizing something to your gain, but giving enough back to where that thing can keep producing more for you at a greater rate. People or governments who take things to an unhealthy symbiosis, such as faulty dictatorships, are actually doing themselves more harm than good because they lose capital, resources, innovation and all the fruits that come from letting the people thrive.

If you look at Google's tactics and approach.. Much of what they innovate they give back for free. Like Google Search, Google Maps, Google Translate, Google Chrome, Google Now, etc.

It makes no sense to blame or be suspicious of someone or some company who is being very efficiently capitalist, because if they're being efficient, then your selfishness is being met too. Our own greed is satiated as well as theirs. We get stuff for free, they get our support to make more stuff (mostly) for free. That's about as much as we could hope for.

The only fear would be if the company was being idiotically inefficient, and doing something self-sabotaging. I think Google is brilliant in their marketing approach, so whilst I don't think they're some benevolent Charity, they're a company that understands how to exist in symbiosis with their target market. That's where the real security lies, both for us and for them.
 

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"Capitalism turns men into economic cannibals, and having done so, mistakes economic cannibalism for human nature."


That may be so.. but with the same sort of logic, communism turns people lazy and kills productivity, then considers the rise of neurotic dictators who rule over the helpless, unorganized population as an inevitability of human nature.

(imo, it seems that both of these phenomena are a result of human nature, since humans are incapable of doing anything that is outside of their nature >.>)
 

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Sword Art Online (SAO) is a Virtual Reality Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (VRMMORPG), released in 2022. With the Nerve Gear, a virtual reality helmet that stimulates the user's five senses via their brain, players can experience and control their in-game characters with their minds.

http://youtu.be/bfWuckehfiM

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A play of words..

I'm slowly becoming a bit of a technology nerd, or enthusiast, and I get excited seeing new technologies rolling-out.

Then this is a good time to also become a technorealist. Do you want to know what that means?

I've been resisting the urge to spill over with articles.

Anyone can go to sciencedaily.com.
 

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No that is a good definition. It is about an attitude to not critic-less accept anything that marketeers want to assure of is required for modern life. Technology does not make people happy. It makes life easy but also has side effects. ICT causes loss of privacy and as such, loss of a vital human right.

Technorealism need to be applied to all technology. I never had a mobile phone and I do not use social media. These are choices I make based on technorealism.
 

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Oh, I didn't know they had a term for it. (Thanks)

I'm actually not an avid consumer of technologies, particularly social ones. I didn't have a smartphone until some 4+ years after their arrival. I'll also be moving out into a home out in the woods next month, and I do think nature has a lot to offer humanity.

The fact that technologies exist doesn't immediately imply use by all. Like anything else you wanna buy, you gotta decide whether or not you need it. For me, I do evaluate how beneficial something is to my health before purchasing it. Technology won't take that choice away from you - it will just provide you with more choices/inventions that may suit other unmet needs.

But there's certain universal needs which technology will no-doubt be a positive advancement toward: such as the medical field, clean energy, etc. The consumerist market driven by facebookers, tweeters, instagrammers is just one part of the whole evolving system.

That being said, there's certainly a natural level of 'abnormality' with all technology. Even healthcare. And that, I think, has to do with the fact that humans are genetically adapted to hardship/toil, nature and death. I see humanity as being in a sort of "birthing process". Giving birth is always a strenuous process, one which is a little awkward, having painful pushes and twists -- but out from it comes a new thing. Humanity is starting to become something else, and so naturally in the interim between getting from point A to point B, we'll be outside of our natural-mode. And once we genetically take hold of our species, we'll realign to the new world we create.

And also, I definitely don't think humans will omit their appreciation for nature in this transition - and I think it may follow along in post-humanity for a long time.

If anything, these advances will also allow for a more meaningful appreciation of nature - as with anything else. Things like the ability to see things microscopically at any time, or things far far away, or feel and sense in ultrasound, infrared & ultraviolet. All these and more will be common.

Anything that a traditionalist may enjoy about life, being as it is right now, will be possible in more augmented qualities. With the exception, perhaps, of a joy of being limited.
 

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Well, talking about technology seems to be logically about what people choose to use, not when they don't use it. So of course it is a choice, but I discuss the part where people have already made a choice. Because the use of that technology is what causes the issues, not the choice not to sue it. Doh.

You mention the medical field. But advances there help keep people alive longer and increase the world population, which is not a good thing. For people on a personal basis it makes their live longer but sometimes too long. Because there is nothing left to do but vegetate.

ALL technology has a drawback. As you understand.

I am not sure we are becoming something else. What technology does is related to what we were more than what we are to be.

As a species we are genetically programmed to be efficient, to do as much as possible at as small a cost in energy. That is why a bear will not chase a deer for long even though he can run as fast as a horse on a short distance. He rather digs up some ground squirrel because it is a better cost-gain ration. Or eat honey and berries.

Technology is material stuff made into a shape that allows us to be more efficient by replacing our own bodily energy with natural resources like oil.

A car can move our body long distances and it costs us nothing. Although of course, to afford the car and gasoline, we spend many hours working to get paid. But oil is so cheap, the time spend working 8 hours a day is sufficient.

So technology is based on a trend in nature to be efficient. To use as little energy as possible and gain the most rewards from the investment.

This whole idea of technology progressing more and more - we see the discussions on here - and one day we will be so advanced we can download our minds in computers, computers will replace us, we enter some technology singularity etc, I think all that is nonsense based on the reasoning of people who are spoiled with technology, were raised with it, were deeply indoctrinated with it. And they always have this idea that if a problem occurs 'they' - the technology companies and scientists - 'will find something for it'.

What these techno-lovers never really understand is that technology comes from an udnerstanding of matter, out of science and that science and technology both are functions of energy.

Since we are depleting natural resources, we will be forced to labor ourselves more. Because a car doesn't work without oil and when oil is getting too expensive, other means to go to work 50 miles down a road are required.

I don't see how we can keep develop ping technology in that situation of peak oil, peak resources. Rather than blindly believing that 'they' will just invent some new solar technology, I rather develop technology from another more value-based point. Rather than insisting we need solar powered vehicles when oil is getting too expensive - even if we decide not to rip open the arctic - because we need to get to work and celebrate western lifestyle of the right to move your body anyplace you like, individually in your own car, maybe we need to rethink our obsession with mobility.

Why would we need to invent solar powered cars if we can work from our home? More and more desk jockeys just login and work from home and only now and then meet up in some office that is basically no more than a meeting place you hire for a few hours.

So I am not sure where this idea comes from that we are in a birth-process. You see this idea a lot, often in relation to the predicament of our lifetime. It sounds as if we do not have to take responsibility.

"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."
-- Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Admin. Responsible for National Policy regarding the Environment

No one has to do better because we are in a birth-process. We are not responsible....

Also this idea baout taking control over our genetics is deeply disturbing to me.

We have the arrogance to think we can improve upon natural evolution while not 10 years ago scientists would speak about 'junk DNA' not even understanding what 90% of our DNA did. And you want these people to start tinkering with our genome?

We are very far away from being able to do so and peak oil and other similar crises will occur before we might get that understanding. And still, would we be morally capable? Who is to say that if some super power dislikes another, they won't release gene-altering viruses upon the enemy, sabotaging their genome?

We cannot even [protect ourselves from the insane and sub-human corporations such as Monsanto! We have lobby groups in the EU that force us to accept GMO food.

We are not morally and value-ready for such understanding. So any notion of genetically engineering ourselves into some sort of new existence is laughable and as dangerous as the ideologies of Nazism or Fascism.

We should not create a new world. We should learn to respect the one we have because it is perfect. Why should we declare war on the world other than out of this feeling we have the right to changer her in our deepest folly and narcissism?

I don't believe in post-humaness as an escape forward. First we need to learn to live in harmony with this world, otherwise, whatever we envision ourselves to be in the far future, will not satisfy us. Whoever is to decide what we would be like? Will it be a corporation? The government? Each of us individually? And would we then be satisfied? Or willw e alienate ourselves so far from evolution that any mistake will be the end of the race of humans, insofar that already hasn't happened?

All this speaks of is an unwillingness or inability to be happy with what we are. This is a psychological problem. Not an evolutionary one. If we learn to accept and live in harmony with the world, this issue would be gone and we would not have silly dreams of genetically altering ourselves out of being frustrated with ourself.

I see how technology creates problems as it solves them, often it creates problems we didn't know were there, until a commercial business told us so. One day someone can go into a clinic and have a therapy to look like a lion. We have ultimate control over our body. Why would he do that? Unhappy with the current form? Technology doesn't solve how to be happy. Because the lion form has disadvantages. And so he returns to the clinic...

Technology is no road to heaven or nirvana.
 

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@Variform - That was a bit difficult to understand (grammatically), so I outlined what I think are your main points. Sorry if I misinterpreted anything.

I don't have the energy atm to address each one, but I'll post it here to remind me later (or for others to reply).


  1. Overpopulation is not a good thing, and healthcare isn't always a good thing, particularly when you stay alive past your time but all you do is vegetate.
  2. Techno-lovers believe too strongly in technology as a fix-it-all for life, revealing their spoiled nature - as well as unrealistic view of life.
  3. Rather than address our oil-crisis by trying to invent solar-alternatives, we should rethink our obsession with mobility instead.
  4. The awaiting of future technologies is often used as a cop-out for present responsibility. Rather than addressing the real situation, people rely on the future to resolve it.
  5. We are arrogant to assume we can promptly code our DNA, having just recently understood what most of it is -- and other world crisis will likely hit us before we find out how to do so.
  6. First we need to learn to live in harmony with this world. If we learn to accept and live in harmony with the world, this issue would be gone and we would not have silly dreams of genetically altering ourselves out of being frustrated with ourself.
  7. All this unwillingness or inability to be happy with what we are, is a psychological problem. Not an evolutionary one.
  8. Consumers of technology are convinced into buying stuff they didn't know they needed, until some gadget is made to solve that so-called "problem", which was never a problem in the first place.
  9. Technology is no road to heaven or nirvana.
 

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@Variform - That was a bit difficult to understand (grammatically), so I outlined what I think are your main points. Sorry if I misinterpreted anything.

Curious.

  1. Overpopulation is not a good thing, and healthcare isn't always a good thing, particularly when you stay alive past your time but all you do is vegetate.
  2. Techno-lovers believe too strongly in technology as a fix-it-all for life, revealing their spoiled nature - as well as unrealistic view of life.


  1. Spoiled in the sense that from birth we have been indoctrinated to, without criticism, accept, use and glorify technology.

    [*] Rather than address our oil-crisis by trying to invent solar-alternatives, we should rethink our obsession with mobility instead.

    Both...end. No solutions comes from any specific approach. The issue is as follows: as we implement more efficient appliances, we save energy. We think ourselves rich, then use what we saved to expand.

    It is easy to detect in your own life. We maximize ourselves. If we save money and have a nice bank account, we give ourselves permission to be wasteful. Instead of buying the cheap coffee, we treat ourselves on a more expensive coffee.

    I think this is genetic. It is also the cause of obesity. We are genetically programmed to store fat for bad times.

    So what we save we expend again, rather than keep the savings. Research shows that as we save more more energy, thus money, despite this, we use more and more. We buy energy saving bulbs, we allow ourselves to leave the pc on longer when it is not in use. We buy LED lights and save, we give ourselves leeway. And so despite better efficiencies and energy saving schemes, we use more and more energy.

    What we can save using solar power is not equal to what we use in natural resources, hydrocarbons like oil and gas. This is a simple equation. Energy density. Nothing is as energy dense as oil. To replace what oil is for our civilization, requires us to scramble to use all possible alternatoves and still they won't be as good.

    Therefore, we need to use less energy, not just buy LED lights or increase efficiency. We need to scale back maybe to an 1850's style civilization.

    That means to me that we can keep our fMRI scanner, but we won't tell ourselves we need e-readers, mobile gadgetry 120 choices of cereals and most of the junk we really don't need to be happy.

    And most of all, we need to put science on a leash and develop what we need that will benefit all mankind.

    [*] The awaiting of future technologies is often used as a cop-out for present responsibility. Rather than addressing the real situation, people rely on the future to resolve it.
    [*] We are arrogant to assume we can promptly code our DNA, having just recently understood what most of it is -- and other world crisis will likely hit us before we find out how to do so.
    [*] First we need to learn to live in harmony with this world. If we learn to accept and live in harmony with the world, this issue would be gone and we would not have silly dreams of genetically altering ourselves out of being frustrated with ourself.
    [*] All this unwillingness or inability to be happy with what we are, is a psychological problem. Not an evolutionary one.

    Yes. Insert Ernest Becker and 'The Denial of Death'. We have not come to grips with what we are as naked apes with self-reflective consciousness. We have no answer to the existential questions. We do not know how to be in the world. And so we are prone to anxiety. We fear to die, because we do not know how to celebrate life. And so our lives are spend in fear, which undermines our ability to accept limitations on civilization, like the hard boundary of our climate. And to still that fear we consume.

    I call 'hard boundaries' boundaries that cannot be stretched or bend or circumvented in some way, either by technology or moral values. Our climate is the umbrella under which all life lives. If we attack it, alter it, unbalance it, it will have repercussions on us all. This is morally unacceptable as well as long term folly, for it will cause crises to the human species.

    So if climate is a hard boundary, we have no choice to live within what it can sustain as it suffers us humans.


    [*] Consumers of technology are convinced into buying stuff they didn't know they needed, until some gadget is made to solve that so-called "problem", which was never a problem in the first place.
    [*] Technology is no road to heaven or nirvana.

Marketing is the psychological manipulation, based on psychological theory, where people are told they need something they do not need and that a product or service will satisfy this problem.

We fall prone to this because of our denial of our own mortality: marketing attacks this existential vulnerability so that we hyper-consume matter, in the form of products and services, to still our anxiety and it does so by acting as a transference symbol.

That is why scientifically minded people vehemently defend science as the best thing we have under the sun, because science, or the understanding of nature in materialist, reductionist terms, leads to invention and technology, which is then defined as 'progress' because it progresses our ability to gain access to new transference symbols.

Transference symbols are those things or ideas, religions or ideologies that 'lift' us over the threshold of our deaths into a continued existence, an afterlife of some sort, where who we are, that we value so much, can continue to exist. Children too can be transference symbols. Your genes will go on.

Personally I believe that our funeral rituals e.g. are based on this, that we want to make an impression and a statement about who we were, by letting people listen to music that meant a lot to us, maybe a poem will be read, we will be remembered.

To fight climate change we need not just better solar cells, better accumulators (batteries) and reduce our energy use and limit our consumption, we need to in fact come to terms with what we are and learn how to be in the world. Surely, if we are to survive on this garden world, we need to come to grips with our own demise.

So for me these things go hand in hand. I do not like how people cut up our human experience into neat little segments of concern. That is the INTP in me. I work with the whole model of how we conduct ourselves on Earth.
 

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*jaw drop*

I... wow.
This is beyond words. This is the sort of processing power that will be needed to truly run A.I. Or to truly simulate a breathtakingly realistic virtual world. I didn't think we were this close already.

Not only that, but mass-scale statistical analysis of... *everything*
So that we can truly find all the patterns that are buried beneath the mountains of data we've collected. A single AI designated with this task could make monumental discoveries. In geography, in medicine, in human behavior, in brain data..

Their timeline estimates that by 2020 it'll be in mainstream use. Even if we're conservative and say it will lag until 2025, that's still incredible. This will accelerate the process of genome comparison, which is already getting faster exponentially, as well as protein simulation softwares. It might be possible for us to fully understand and plot the human metabolism before 2040 and/or redesign a better one... a better/immortal genome... before 2050.

With this sort of processing power and a good A.I., understanding what each part of the genome does will be feasible via simulating the entire human anatomy in a virtual space, molecule per molecule. And even simulating what new combinations of genetics would do to us. Clinical trials may be a thing of the past.
 

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*jaw drop*

I... wow.
This is beyond words. This is the sort of processing power that will be needed to truly run A.I. Or to truly simulate a breathtakingly realistic virtual world. I didn't think we were this close already.

Not only that, but mass-scale statistical analysis of... *everything*
So that we can truly find all the patterns that are buried beneath the mountains of data we've collected. A single AI designated with this task could make monumental discoveries. In geography, in medicine, in human behavior, in brain data..

Their timeline estimates that by 2020 it'll be in mainstream use. Even if we're conservative and say it will lag until 2025, that's still incredible. This will accelerate the process of genome comparison, which is already getting faster exponentially, as well as protein simulation softwares. It might be possible for us to fully understand and plot the human metabolism before 2040 and/or redesign a better one... a better/immortal genome... before 2050.

With this sort of processing power and a good A.I., understanding what each part of the genome does will be feasible via simulating the entire human anatomy in a virtual space, molecule per molecule. And even simulating what new combinations of genetics would do to us. Clinical trials may be a thing of the past.

yus ^^ With that type of processing power and the right data, we may even be able to successfully simulate the origin of life.. or perhaps even simulate the details of our astronomical observations keenly enough to predict what caused the Big Bang o.o

(damn.. letting my optimism run away with me again >.< b-but! it could really happen =D)
 

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Nice! I've seen solar energy popping up everywhere nowadays. PVs can be purchased much more easily now via local stores too.

I was tempted briefly to say "Soon the US won't have a reason to go into war", but then I remembered that they'd probably just find another reason to go into war instead. >.<
 

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So far, however, one of the principal obstacles facing light-field cameras and displays is that they require as many as five or six times as many pixels to create the resolution equivalent to a conventional digital image.

Magic Leap claims to have solved the resolution challenge with a proprietary technology that projects an image, which it describes as a “3-D light sculpture,” onto the viewer’s retina. Rony Abovitz, a biomedical engineer who founded Mako Surgical, a successful robotic surgery company, before creating Magic Leap in 2010, said that his system would even offer a resolution close to the power of the human eye.
 
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