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The effects of marijuana on an INTP

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Trying to come up with a logical explanation for why people smoke marijuana, from the perspective of a non-smoker is like trying to understand why ESFJ's think the way they do.

A long-term smoker is not as affected by the high anywhere near the effects they experienced the first couple times smoking. It becomes a part of your personality once used enough.
 

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I'm not even contesting that. What I'm contesting is the bolded attribution that those who smoke frequently or habitually are trying to cope at all. I think you would have to know the person extremely well to tell whether they are using it recreationally or coping.

I haven't attributed frequent smoking as meaning people are using it to cope. Only what I think if they ARE using it to cope. I can't tell who uses it to cope and who doesn't and I've never attempted to call out anyone personally on their choice to use it without them first giving their own reasons.

You're seeing hidden meanings that aren't even there.
 

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Ganja can really help you (if you are INTP). Ganja is like a tool. Your success with a tool depends on your knowledge and on your final vision. Knowledge itself is not enough (however essential). Experience (or using the knowledge if you like) is what makes you master, full understanding.

There is not much study on ganja altered consciousness. But I quite like the terms 'divergent thinking' and 'hyper priming'. I will try to tell you how I understand them.

I understand them as altered state in which your asociations get loose. And that is where I believe our introvertism combined with logical thinking kicks in because we are used to think a lot. Sometimes i even loose my vision due to imagination process. So while high we can explore our universe of possibilities on a ship of imagination with a captain Logic beause INTPs are like wild Francis Drake's pirates ruling Spanish sailors of other types and we can build our perfect universe by integration of usefull pieces in our inpenetrable theories whatever they are good for - programming, math, science,... depression, fear, paranoia.

I believe, that the results strongly depend on how your ascociative process works. If your introverted thinking is logical enough then you can use strengths of logic, which is repeatability (you can repeat it with same results) and correctness of every part (you will not make mistake). This is our style of thinking. When something penetrates through my logic while onboard of (above defined) ship then it changes me accordingly.

At the begining (maybe 7 years ago) when I had my first joint I did not feel anything. I did not know what to expect. What I knew were some partial truths and I had no experience at all (only with alcohol a little sooner). Few times later with right people I finally recognized the state and I was confused because I could not take over control because I did not know rules. Sometimes I was really scared or angry on myself because I found flaws on my most precious system - my personality. I improved a little. Then I learned a lot about math and logic on university. Since then I improved dramatically.

My recent improvement is really tight integration of my interests: what are we? what is life? where are we? etc, with phyisics (astronomy, particles, relativity), mathematics (base concept of mathematics and its creative process), philosophy (antic, modern), relationships (parents, friends, girls, love), my profession (programming), theology (true purpose), etc.

By integration I mean that I build a logical system with the simple basic underlying principles that are same for all of the interests. The most basic rule of all is duality. I wear a yin-yang necklace since. I feel much more like I found what I recognize as inner peace :)
 

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I was thinking about this earlier, and it really depends on the strain (type of marijuana). Because sativas generally make me more extroverted while indicas make me more introverted.
 

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I never do crack, But my INTP friend does it , and hes actually more stable :storks:
 

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I have never tried drugs. The way that I think is something that I really do not want to change. It would make me feel very weak if I needed to rely on substances to change my thoughts (anti-depressants aside)Also I have a history of very serious depression which I don't want to trigger.
The people I know who use weed on a regular basis are not people I aspire to be like. They lack maturity and self-awareness.
 

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I have yet to find the amazing piece of music I heard whilst under the influence. I bought the entire back catalogue of the band I was listening to, to no avail...
 

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I just got high for the first time. Yesterday in fact. I must say it was an interesting experience to say the least. As stated it really did seem to just invert all of my functions. My usual internal monologue became spoken. Even worse was that usually i try to limit my mind from jumping around but while high i was unable to control myself it was almost like sensory overload. I was processing so fast that i actually couldn't speak or rather speak about a topic for more than a few seconds before my mind wizzed off onto something else. At some points i was talking so fast that i began making a choking noise because my mouth just couldn't keep up with my mind it was exhilarating. I also became very self conscious or rather i was thinking about how much i was talking which resulted in my shutting up for a few minutes while my mind raced. Even more interesting to me was that as i was getting high i was thinking about the characteristics or rather the stereotypes that you hear about when people are high and i was comparing myself to them and wondering how my experience compared to the norm. It was really telling of the way my mind works. Ah well, i don't think i'll be doing it that often not because i feel its wrong but just because i don't want that sort of feeling to diminish.
 

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I have never tried drugs. The way that I think is something that I really do not want to change. It would make me feel very weak if I needed to rely on substances to change my thoughts (anti-depressants aside)Also I have a history of very serious depression which I don't want to trigger.
The people I know who use weed on a regular basis are not people I aspire to be like. They lack maturity and self-awareness.

That's mighty picky, anti-depressants are okay, which also influence your mind.
 

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It's a matter of balance of course, as with most things in life.


It highlights the present at the expense of the past. (Meaning in the extreme that you don't remember what happened five seconds ago in the extreme... But fuck, what a crunchy groove.)

Creativity is a bitch. It's only there when it wants to. I'm not saying that pot enhances it, but that it may do so. To stop smoking pot would for a moldy pothead also enhance it, probably.
 

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I can't say that I've ever had a positive experience with marijuana...nothing like what I've read in this thread. I've only smoked twice though. The first time, I didn't get high at all. I just had about two hits, and I felt no effect whatsoever. The second time was the opposite. I think I smoked too fast...I took like four hits in five minutes. After my fourth hit, my head started spinning, my heart started pounding, I started breathing really heavily, and I felt more paranoid than I ever have in my life. Even after I woke up the next day, I was still a bit dizzy.

I may try again in the future...I'd like to experience the effects that many people are discussing in this thread.
 

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Its been a while since I've smoked.. gotta get a job sooner or later, which means, only doing legal vices.

Once thing I'll say about it though, I tremendously enjoy the temporal distortions marijuana creates in ones mind. It's wild to seemly see time... slow down... yes not possible, yet most of those that have smoked will understand what I'm describing, those that have taken psychedelics will understand to a much greater effect (periods where time actually stands still in your mind).

My question to those reading, do you think that smoking marijuana actually might speed up your thought process, thus making time go by slower? (you can relate it to relativity, as you approach the speed of light [c], time exponentially slows down.)
 

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I have ridden the Marijuana roller coaster several times. I had gotten to the point where I was smoking it multiple times a day for months on end, and I was experiencing this before I had even finished 9th grade. I have been an anomaly amongst my peers for as long as I can remember, exhibiting duality upon duality. Now being in 10th grade, my classmates consider me a genius (though I hate it when they say this; I feel they throw the word around too lightly, not having given much thought to what it is to be a genius. Because of this I don't hold their opinions in very high standing.) simply because I am able to do well in my classes without showing signs of strenuous effort. With respect to what I've just said, my peers are dumbfounded whenever they wheedle out of me the fact that I'm a complete stoner.
Hence, from my experience with cannabinoids, marijuana doesn't seem to be detrimental to my ability to simply retain information. However, the cognitive abilities demanded by high school academics are laughably few, and your grades are more or less determined by your ability to remember stuff (and slightly by your test taking skill, relationships with teachers, etc.). The real bad stuff that was happening to my mentality took a bit longer to recognize. In a nutshell, my mind was becoming progressively more lazy. I found myself not scrutinizing as much, and there were times that I simply spaced out. After realizing this, I sought immediately to remedy my ailment. I began thinking again -- forcing myself to remain concentrated on certain things in an effort to dissect their existence with logical tools, being satisfied only when I felt I understood the object's physical, sentimental, and even more elusive states of being. I continued forcing myself to think in this way until the thinking came naturally. The use of L-Theanine assisted me in my efforts.
To conclude, I have been describing the opposite of what many of you have described. The difference comes from the fact that I was entirely addicted to the substance (mentally). When using Marijuana responsibly, the benefits of the drug are much more apparent: the breaking down of certain self-constructed mental barriers; the euphoric, positive mindset; the general inspiration to do healthy things due to the fact that they seem much more enjoyable; etc. etc.. After becoming addicted to Marijuana (and once again this is a mental addiction. YES, it exists) and after achieving sobriety, you experience opposite effects: More mental barriers than ever are constructed, you show symptoms of depression, everything seems boring. The basis of addiction remains consistent for all potentially addictive drugs. Your body simply evolves around the drug to the point where you take it in order to feel normal, which means you will most likely experience withdrawal symptoms that are almost directly the opposite of the effects the drug had on you when you weren't addicted. I am now using Marijuana in a much more responsible way. Appreciating it for its benefits while also being aware of its dangers

I've managed to go off on a couple tangents here so that there are a few nuances between the topic of my post and the topic of the thread. This was a brief recount of the of effects of Marijuana addiction on an abnormal schoolboy (with no embellishments) as well as a few hypothetical thoughts.

And if you're wondering how Marijuana is so available to me, I have a family member that has a virtually unlimited supply (MMJ Caregiver) that enjoys smoking and chatting with me.

EDIT: I am in 10th grade now. To eliminate confusion.
 

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For myself, it provides a way to help make connections that I have never conjured before. It enhances my empirical thinking and broadens my ability to think on a more conceptual level and inspires me to express my ideas in a zealous manner. Nevertheless, like any other drug I do believe it has a great potential to be abused and eventhough a chemical addiction to marijuana is not possible a psychological dependance definitely is, which in the end is a different form of addiction. The possibility of psychological dependance deters me from smoking more frequently and that is why I smoke marijuana sporadically.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBQCWVAmEik

my experience blurb...it got me to start thinking about the things that society told me not to think about, it showed me a way to think about things i didnt have the balls before to question, and once that ball started to roll...

the biggest impact is the sort of de-conditioning effect it has on me...i was a pretty obedient child, i had questions but i never bothered to ask, and when i did i simply took authority's word ...but after cannabis...that changed.

its almost like an antivirus program running through your software, refreshing and picking out the inconsistencies ... but after awhile its a pretty profound feeling. you sort of slow down, take a look around and actually bother asking the questions that need to be asked.

sometimes i truly wonder if theres some sort of cannabis spirit of mind, thats accessible through ingestion...there are thoughts, ideas, and just plain weird stuff that comes to me when im under her intoxication, and to this day all i can think sometimmes, "there no way I came up with this"...

i dunno. so much to say. so hard to express it.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBQCWVAmEik

my experience blurb...it got me to start thinking about the things that society told me not to think about, it showed me a way to think about things i didnt have the balls before to question, and once that ball started to roll...

the biggest impact is the sort of de-conditioning effect it has on me...i was a pretty obedient child, i had questions but i never bothered to ask, and when i did i simply took authority's word ...but after cannabis...that changed.

its almost like an antivirus program running through your software, refreshing and picking out the inconsistencies ... but after awhile its a pretty profound feeling. you sort of slow down, take a look around and actually bother asking the questions that need to be asked.

sometimes i truly wonder if theres some sort of cannabis spirit of mind, thats accessible through ingestion...there are thoughts, ideas, and just plain weird stuff that comes to me when im under her intoxication, and to this day all i can think sometimmes, "there no way I came up with this"...

i dunno. so much to say. so hard to express it.

This could perhaps be the aforementioned 'dualities' that step forward after ingestion. I'm one to argue that this can be achieved through other methods (via mental stimulation in some form or another), but that may also be because I've experienced effects similar to the ones induced after ingestion vis-a-vis this ^, or because I'm just a weirdo. You can take your pick.

In either instance, however, I understand what you mean. :cat:
 

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This could perhaps be the aforementioned 'dualities' that step forward after ingestion. I'm one to argue that this can be achieved through other methods (via mental stimulation in some form or another), but that may also be because I've experienced effects similar to the ones induced after ingestion vis-a-vis this ^, or because I'm just a weirdo. You can take your pick.

In either instance, however, I understand what you mean. :cat:

do you have experience to draw comparisons from? im genuinely interested...i cant say ive ever been able to achieve anything quite like the experience produced by the certain plants or chemicals...but i suppose ive never really studied meditation or anything...and from the very little research ive done...it sounds like there really isnt any 'natural' alternative that can be done with as much ease or results in such immediate effects.

i certainly dont doubt that there ARE individuals who devote their time/practice to achieving it ala natural... or certain people like yourself who are able to get it simply through whatever you do...but i dunno. cant say im a believer when it comes to jsut average joe dude. its why psychedelics seem so important to me...a tool just lying around, being abused and misused...when it could so simply flip the egos out, and get people thinking straight... "smoker:
 

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Erm, I wasn't talking about a psychedelic experience; I was referring to the 'dualities' and getting the ball rolling on different mental stimuli, etc.

For me, I can sometimes achieve a state-of-mind similar to the one I have after ingestion of marijuana through music and intense self-reflection. In my own experience, I can induce different perceptions of both physical objects and philosophical questions through the above.
 

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Meh cannabis is complicated for me; it can get me quite anxious and paranoid sometimes; obsessive and negative thoughts (more emotions though) can trigger (a focus on Fi); like a key to the lock of an imaginary box with negative emotions, very unpleasant. Sometimes I really think I should quit, or at-least quit in social situations, I generally hate smoking with people unless I'm extremely comfortable with them, because paranoia/anxiety can be a bitch, I cannot utter or form any comprehensible sentences. I realized though, if I smoke really small quantities, I cope way better, both alone and in social circumstances; I make the effort not to smoke myself stupid, stoners seem to love doing that. On the other hand...

...Sometimes it's the complete opposite, almost always when I'm alone, my mind feels amazingly clear, I'm aware and greatly in tune with both my body and senses, my Ti diminishes, I feel pure, raw, alive, and instinctive, and the thoughts I do have are extremely concise, objective, and my Drug induced Ni compliments these thoughts perfectly, I reach conclusions, putting me at complete inner peace, of what feels to me like a perfectly balanced psychological equilibrium; driven away from the fear of ignorance... A very blissful state (I've achieved a similar state on shrooms, although I'm thinking that the first time I achieved such a state was on shrooms... Hmm). My imagination becomes very vivid and under my control, particularly when I'm falling asleep, the mental images I form are so subjectively great, I've sometimes noted details of them down when I could to consider tattooing them.



...Then I fucking wake up. :facepalm:

But essentially, in my case, it's the minds choice based on numerous factors I cannot comprehend, to which buzz I'm on, shame I don't have control.
 

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I'm not keen on in-between highs. I prefer getting totally fucked up or nothing at all.
 

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I'm keen on either to be honest. In-between highs (assuming we're thinking of the same thing) are just so empowering. Getting real fucked up is great too, though, depending on the drug... Regarding weed, I can't really get too fucked on that, if I over-smoke, I just become a fucking dumb-ass zombie.
 

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I'm keen on either to be honest. In-between highs (assuming we're thinking of the same thing) are just so empowering. Getting real fucked up is great too, though, depending on the drug... Regarding weed, I can't really get too fucked on that, if I over-smoke, I just become a fucking dumb-ass zombie.

Maybe I just have an idiosyncratic or sensitive physiology, but weed isn't good for me anymore. I guess the bipolar criteria applies to all drugs, except coffee. :^^:

I like substances that increase in awesome the more you accelerate.

Honestly, I can get more psychotropic-like effects from writing, sex, meditation, volunteering, tonic herbs, introspection, or art than weed.

Looking back on things, I mostly employed weed for enhanced sex and music. Weed never helped me spiritually, or even emotionally, really. :phear:
 

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I've only tried it once and had a bad experience. I became extremely anxious and paranoid, and pretty much had an anxiety attack. I would see ridiculous things my friends were doing and would laugh, however the amazing feeling that accompanies laughter wasn't there. I also felt like I didn't have control over my thoughts. I could hardly formulate any sort of complex idea I'm normally capable of. But my friends smoke a decent amount and seem to love it. Not sure I'll try it again.
 

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*Puff, puff, puuffff. Exhale* Damn, lost train of thought looking at the green dudes..:facepalm:
 

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I've smoked it twice, and both times I have regretted it. Everyone tells me I'll become very relaxed, extroverted, easily amused, and that I'll think slowly. Instead I become really, really withdrawn, I lose focus, I don't talk, and my mind starts speeding through thoughts. Perhaps my notion of time is distorted, but it really feels that way. It's unpleasant because my thoughts become disorganized so that they're fruitless.
 

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If I use marijuana I am rendered practically mute, semi catatonic and I am unable to cease the flow of chatter and thoughts and paranoia in my brain. I usually end up having a mini existential crisis in which I decide I am utterly psychotic most whenever sober, that there is something seriously wrong with me. If I get too high I hallucinate, not seeing things that aren't there, but having everything that is there distort horribly.

Something similar to the marijuana induced psychosis talked about earlier in the thread.

Anytime I tell people this someone comes along and tells me I must have tried weed that was tainted with some other drug. Or that I just smoked stuff that was too strong. Or that I should try it again under different circumstances.

I used to be able to enjoy it and partake anytime I pleased. I also partook of many other drugs including many strong hallucinogens and amphetamines. It was after using too many amphetamines for several years straight (I've been clean off of them for over 10 years now) that marijuana started to affect me differently, that it began to have these weird effects similar to a bad acid trip on my brain.

My brain just does something weird with THC, that I know is not normal because it used to not do this. I usually just tell people I am allergic instead of trying to explain this an then having a bunch of stoned people try to pressure me into it or act like I don't know my drugs and I just had one bad experience and need to give it another shot in a safe environment with them. I've given it many try's over the years, always with the same results. Then I made the decision to not try anymore after a particularly bad high about three years ago. I haven't smoked, or eaten any since. I wish I could enjoy it like I could as a teenager, because I remember it being great, but it just does more harm to me now instead of good.

All that said. I support full legalization 100%. Because at the end of the day it is a plant that does more good than harm, and my own weird issues with what it does to my own brain is not a representation of what it does for others or the good it could do to legalize it for society.

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Exactly my experience. Except that I haven't had a trip bad enough to make me quit completely.

Experiencing this right now actually funnily enough.


It really sucks. I'm completely aware of it, but sometimes I get a good buzz.
I've experienced both experiences (positive and negative) on the same strain, I think the problem lies in Fi (of-course, it and the cannabis combined). Though who knows...

I'm generally pretty apathetic, and fine when I'm sober, so I haven't quit completely - but I've cut down tremendously with ease. Just sometimes I give it a shot, a gamble, I risk it. Just want a good buzz once in a while. Although, while I'm 'tripping negatively' I tell myself I won't smoke again. I feel different when sober though, of-course - but I'm more careful now (cut down).

Apparently careful consideration of strain can be anti-all-that-crap, but I haven't put serious effort into figuring out.
 

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I've smoked it twice, and both times I have regretted it. Everyone tells me I'll become very relaxed, extroverted, easily amused, and that I'll think slowly. Instead I become really, really withdrawn, I lose focus, I don't talk, and my mind starts speeding through thoughts. Perhaps my notion of time is distorted, but it really feels that way. It's unpleasant because my thoughts become disorganized so that they're fruitless.

I've smoked weed many times and I enjoy it most of the time. Other times though, I've been through the same thing that you are describing. Horrible stuff, but in the end I think it's worth it.

As long as I'm in a relaxed mode, I'm fine. I'd rather be alone and play some video-games than hang out with pushy friends. That's what usually gives me anxiety.
 

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Seems INTPs are quite susceptible to anxiety and paranoia with weed.
 

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Meh cannabis is complicated for me; it can get me quite anxious and paranoid sometimes; obsessive and negative thoughts (more emotions though) can trigger (a focus on Fi); like a key to the lock of an imaginary box with negative emotions, very unpleasant. Sometimes I really think I should quit, or at-least quit in social situations, I generally hate smoking with people unless I'm extremely comfortable with them, because paranoia/anxiety can be a bitch, I cannot utter or form any comprehensible sentences. I realized though, if I smoke really small quantities, I cope way better, both alone and in social circumstances; I make the effort not to smoke myself stupid, stoners seem to love doing that. On the other hand...

...Sometimes it's the complete opposite, almost always when I'm alone, my mind feels amazingly clear, I'm aware and greatly in tune with both my body and senses, my Ti diminishes, I feel pure, raw, alive, and instinctive, and the thoughts I do have are extremely concise, objective, and my Drug induced Ni compliments these thoughts perfectly, I reach conclusions, putting me at complete inner peace, of what feels to me like a perfectly balanced psychological equilibrium; driven away from the fear of ignorance... A very blissful state (I've achieved a similar state on shrooms, although I'm thinking that the first time I achieved such a state was on shrooms... Hmm). My imagination becomes very vivid and under my control, particularly when I'm falling asleep, the mental images I form are so subjectively great, I've sometimes noted details of them down when I could to consider tattooing them.



...Then I fucking wake up. :facepalm:

But essentially, in my case, it's the minds choice based on numerous factors I cannot comprehend, to which buzz I'm on, shame I don't have control.


pay attention to your surroundings if you decide to go into things...are you with familiar people? a safe setting? from what i see with others and anxiety (with psychedelics) environment plays a big key.

but my biggest thing...is the anxiety a NATURAL result from the cannabis? is it the anxiety of giving in to the high? or simply the years of indoctrinated bullshit thats been programmed into us that results IN the great amount of anxiety people experience? (i.e. cops arent gonna come busting down the door, your parents wont disown you etc)..

just going from my own experience...there have been plenty of times in the past where i would find myself fluttering about in a sort of anxious panic over the stupidest things...but id really focus and concentrate and simply tell myself to relax, im going to be just fine, im not going to jail, im not going crazy, etc.....anxiety seems like a very feasible thing to conquer when you sort of get past that conditioned response and fear we have with drugs...ala dare programs

another note ill make, is that yea, if you smoke a LOT chances are anxiety isnt an issue...but lets say you have taken a substantial break...go out and get some supppper heady medicinal grade cannabis...yea you are going to get baked, and probably feel a little anxious over it all.






Seems INTPs are quite susceptible to anxiety and paranoia with weed.

surprisingly, its one of the most common 'side effects' throughout all of the population of users. but again...anxiety seems so subjective to begin with...who knows.
 

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pay attention to your surroundings if you decide to go into things...are you with familiar people? a safe setting? from what i see with others and anxiety (with psychedelics) environment plays a big key.

Yeah it generally is a safe setting, and I am familiar with the people. Although, I focus inwards, and lose notion of others, which leads to anxiety. Never used to be the case, used to be able to smoke, and I would just be comfortable next to anyone, even if I'm not familiar with 'em, and I'd be enjoying myself.

but my biggest thing...is the anxiety a NATURAL result from the cannabis? is it the anxiety of giving in to the high? or simply the years of indoctrinated bullshit thats been programmed into us that results IN the great amount of anxiety people experience? (i.e. cops arent gonna come busting down the door, your parents wont disown you etc)..

Yeah I've thought the same, that could also be a factor, with age and the expected responsibility that comes with it, mixed with the disapproval of the public. Negative vibes.

just going from my own experience...there have been plenty of times in the past where i would find myself fluttering about in a sort of anxious panic over the stupidest things...but id really focus and concentrate and simply tell myself to relax, im going to be just fine, im not going to jail, im not going crazy, etc.....anxiety seems like a very feasible thing to conquer when you sort of get past that conditioned response and fear we have with drugs...ala dare programs

Yeah sometimes that works, but it's hard to overcome an unpleasant feeling - no matter how much you rationalize, but maybe it is possible to overcome the negative response. I don't think the drug helps though, or makes it any easier once you start to experience it.
 

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surprisingly, its one of the most common 'side effects' throughout all of the population of users. but again...anxiety seems so subjective to begin with...who knows.

I have this thought that anxiety from cannabis-use is a result of us living in a sick society. Afterall, a person under the influence has a lot to watch his back for. Besides getting into trouble with the law, there is a social stigma in many places for using cannabis. And besides from that, we have tons of diseases and shittons of pills and medication going around. We are not eating properly and we are not exercising. So as a cannabis-user, you have to watch out for the law, the reactions of your loved ones, your own health and your own economy.

Not all just related to cannabis of course, but the point is that there is lots of problems anywhere you look, so it's no wonder paranoia is on the rise. As for me, there is always the thought on the back of my head that there will be a knock on the door from the police. And that's not just when I'm smoking, but also whenever I just have some weed at home or suspect that there might be some crums left... Or even when it can be traced in my urine. In fact, seeing a police-car when I'm outside always freezes my blood, no matter if I'm breaking the law.


In other words, legalize marijuana.
 

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In other words, legalize marijuana.

Once legal though, you'll still have the issue of the social stigma in your subconscious (producing anxious thoughts). Since its frowned upon today in modern society, if it's legalized tomorrow, it'll still be held to the same light by the general population as it is today.
 

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Once legal though, you'll still have the issue of the social stigma in your subconscious (producing anxious thoughts). Since its frowned upon today in modern society, if it's legalized tomorrow, it'll still be held to the same light by the general population as it is today.

I thought it would be a very big deal when weed would start to get legalized. But when the day came for Colorado, it was eclipsed by the presidential election. And since, no one has really talked about it. You know, since there was already medicinal marijuana in over ten states and the policy of the police had gradually softened, it wasn't that big of a deal after all.

When the day came, it was nothing more than the last wall of a once impressive castle being torn down. After all, the written law is just a reflection of the world.
 

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Once legal though, you'll still have the issue of the social stigma in your subconscious (producing anxious thoughts). Since its frowned upon today in modern society, if it's legalized tomorrow, it'll still be held to the same light by the general population as it is today.

setting the stage for those who will come after us.

besides, look at states within the united states that have had medical programs in the years past...include now wash and colorado...the stigmas in those communities have been fading for some time now.

changing perceptions and the paradigms that are out there regarding the cannabis/psychedelic communities. its got to start somewhere.
 

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i think the tree is good, but moderation is key

what is moderation you ask?
if you are a daly champion, i say a hit or 2

if you are a blue moon guy go all out
 

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I've smoked weed many times and I enjoy it most of the time. Other times though, I've been through the same thing that you are describing. Horrible stuff, but in the end I think it's worth it.

As long as I'm in a relaxed mode, I'm fine. I'd rather be alone and play some video-games than hang out with pushy friends. That's what usually gives me anxiety.

Aha, I see. Perhaps if I smoked it again, without the stress of trying to appear normal with friends (AKA being alone) it would be an interesting experiment.
 

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Aha, I see. Perhaps if I smoked it again, without the stress of trying to appear normal with friends (AKA being alone) it would be an interesting experiment.

Perhaps.

But more importantly, when you're alone you don't have to take more than you can handle. You're in total control of your own dosage and your own judgment.
 

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I'm in university and smoke exclusively alone, a few times a months when there are no tasks of any kind that need to be done - when there are no calls to be made, no food that needs cooking and no problems that need to be solved immediately. I use it for introspection - as I read others in this thread state, MBTI functions get mixed up. I'm not sure in what order exactly, I find that hard to decide.

I know Fi gets way stronger, I have concluded that weed helps me get in touch with my feelings. It makes me appreciate my friends and family more, aiding me in seeing the importance of social relations and taking initiative to maintain them. Si also gets stronger, I notice colors and shapes more, and have at times lost myself and stared into objects or shapes from certain angles, seeing the beauty of composition, shapes and patterns of things. I know this is Si because I see the beauty without reflection - I just sense it.

I have also lost myself into Ti, "surfing" on a thought without distraction. A surfer can't turn around in a wave, and I can rarely recall these trails of thought, which has lead disappointment many times, when I have had some great epiphany, but then forgotten what it was. I'm sure some of you are also familiar with this. Other times, I can't "surf" but rather just splash around like a Magicarp with broken fins in a puddle of thoughts without being able to define the nature of the puddle and with no clue as to whether Pokemon fish really are fish or if they are just Pokemon, wait why am I thinking about Pokemon? <- This is an attempt at illustrating these sometimes frustrating thought processes. It is usually impossible to follow a movie or such while I am in this "puddle".

Possibly because of negative associations (behaviorism) created in the past between being around people and being high, I don't handle being around anyone while high. Not even my closest friends, it doesn't work and I have quit smoking with others completely because it is most often a bad experience for me. I'm not sure if this has any connection to my extroverted functions becoming ridiculously weak and destructive for the high - does anyone with more insight into the psychology field have an opinion? I believe it is a broken Ne that used to make me paranoid of both authorities and my "social performance" with others. Seeing small clues of danger or ill intentions and drawing far-fetched conclusions without being able to communicate these, which led me to build my understanding of the situation on these false perceived premises. This only occurred when I was high in a social setting.

So, there it is. This is how i experience the cannabis high. Looking forward to the next SR shipment to be smoked up in the bathroom before I get on the floor and calmly synch my body's motion to the tunes of the Beatles and accept the premises weed sets for the mind, and just go along with it without trying to hold back.
 

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Yo, I am going to start my first discussion here because weed is my hobby, interest, and love.

I actually don't feel the same way as you, Op. Weed personally doesn't do anything which makes my personality traits inverse; it substantially increases my introverted thinking. I usually am completely withdrawn from reality and become very unfocused on external stimulus. It makes physical labor a real bitch and I usually stare at the wall if I'm toking before work, that's why I'll try to take the deliveries beacause I can smoke more, listen to music, and drive, my favorite activities.
 

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Yo, I am going to start my first discussion here because weed is my hobby, interest, and love.

I actually don't feel the same way as you, Op. Weed personally doesn't do anything which makes my personality traits inverse; it substantially increases my introverted thinking. I usually am completely withdrawn from reality and become very unfocused on external stimulus. It makes physical labor a real bitch and I usually stare at the wall if I'm toking before work, that's why I'll try to take the deliveries beacause I can smoke more, listen to music, and drive, my favorite activities.

You're not driving when you're stoned, right? I hope not.

-Duxwing
 

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You're not driving when you're stoned, right? I hope not.

-Duxwing

Driving stoned really isn't too terrible, especially compared to being drunk (EDIT: I have never driven drunk and what I have just said my be interpreted improperly). In a way it even makes you a more cautious, safe driver, too.

That said, it's much more responsible to drive sober at all times.
 

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Driving stoned really isn't too terrible, especially compared to being drunk (EDIT: I have never driven drunk and what I have just said my be interpreted improperly). In a way it even makes you a more cautious, safe driver, too.

That said, it's much more responsible to drive sober at all times.

for an experienced user who knows their body and mind...driving while stoned is completely safe. when it comes to trying to juxtapose alcohol and weed...just doesnt work. completely different substances. Im not saying that people SHOULD try to drive while stoned (you shouldnt) but I just point out drunk driving and stoned driving shouldnt even be in the same conversation.

this is what i would consider to be more problematic than cannabis (no particular order)

1. drunk
2. angry, emotionally disturbed
3. stimulants
4. cell phones
5. make up
6. READING...WTF. Ive seen it more than once...people driving at 60+MPH with a fucking full print book on their steering wheel. DERP
7. eating
8. children


nobody gives a fuck at caffeine loaded maniacs zippin around town...
 

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Every time I smoke I learn more and more. I usually write down the thoughts I get from it and I read them afterwards. A lot of the times the things I write actually do make sense afterwards.

One time I read some of my Calculus 3 book then got high after and figured out an algorithm that doesn't require integration to go up and down between integrals and derivatives.

It also helped me understand the allegory of the cave and how the bible also presents the same sort of analogy as well as Buddhist views. I can say that it has actually made me smarter faster though I only do it sparingly.

I always talk the entire time, so to not annoy my friends that is another reason I write things down. I also can sometimes not tell if I am imagining something or hallucinating. It effects me way more than it does my peers.
 

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I too prefer introspection over other people around me.

Typically when I smoke my first of the day, I'll lay down for half an hour to two hours and let my mind wander off while listening to music. I'll typically go through trains of thought, derailing to the music as a leash to reality from time to time. Sometimes I'll snap out of my thoughts completely as if I were asleep, and while I cannot remember the thoughts I just had, I know I was thinking / dreaming.

Other than this, i'm slower, happier, more spontaneous. I also sleep much easier and I can stand people throughout the day more, but I do not enjoy them more, nor are parties high anywhere as fun as drunk.

Also, music can be diffrent. I can focus on aspects of music in ways I cannot when I am sober. When I'm high i'll listen to songs i've heard hundreds of times, yet hear aspects I swear I never noticed before.

As to effects on my general behaviour / mood through smoking nearly daily...
  • Generally happier (less worries)
  • less sex drive
  • more willing to complete tasks (though I do not do anything when I am high. May be because i'm conditioning myself to work, getting high as the reward.
  • easier time getting out of bed (because I actually fall asleep easily)
  • less thinking. No hangover anywhere comparable to alcohol, but unable to focus in ways I can when sober the first hours of the day, especially if I have not eaten that morning.
 

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You're not driving when you're stoned, right? I hope not.

-Duxwing

In fact, I drive stoned all the time. I have yet to make any mistakes or errors driving while high and have never had any trouble with the police because I am always conscious of following all the driving laws.
 
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