The "Descartes was an INTP" thread.

[Wisp]

Every one knows that Descartes was an INTP. However one particular member, *glares*, seems to think he was an INTJ. (As suggested in another thread)

Discuss.

 

[flow]

I'm no expert, but the internet consensus seems to favor the idea of Descartes being an INTP. I've yet to see one source (other than said member), favor anything otherwise.

a random find: http://www.zazzle.com/famous_intps_architect_shirt-235255973688318783

it's an INTP t-shirt! It features famous alleged INTPs, including Descartes. Also interestingly enough, it features the names of John Travolta and Dustin Hoffman (one of my favorite actors). Dustin Hoffman being an INTP makes sense to me, but not so much John Travolta..

 

[Agent Intellect]

have all of these famous people actually taken a test? are functions that black and white? it seems to me anyone could find proof of any type in everyone they analyze. name dropping seems to be a way to say "my personality type is better then yours."

 

[Kianara]

Every one knows that Descartes was an INTP. However one particular member, *glares*, seems to think he was an INTJ. (As suggested in another thread)

Discuss.

Okay. SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!? T_______T

I was looking at a site for INTJ quotes, and it was there. So sue me.

No one but Descartes himself knows whether or not he's an INTJ or an INTP. I just liked the quote, and the 'INTJ claim' was already there, I did not insert it myself.

In fact, I'm not going to debate you over it. I won't change my sig either (though I wouldn't put it past you to convince lor or somebody to change it with admin powerz).

My master plan: Wait for you to lose interest.

 

[Dissident]

In fact, I'm not going to debate you over it. I won't change my sig either (though I wouldn't put it past you to convince lor or somebody to change it with admin powerz).

Lol! Relax, thats not gonna happen.

 

[Kianara]

Lol! Relax, thats not gonna happen.

*shrug* It's possible, despite it's improbability. I'm just staying on my toes. If my sig gets changed to 'Wisp was here and Descartes was and INTP' then I will be prepared.

I also wouldn't put it past him to hack my account. *paranoid*

Oh, and I actually have a very good opinion of Wisp, I'm not accusing him of anything (yet).

 

[Sugarpop]

I just liked the quote, and the 'INTJ claim' was already there, I did not insert it myself.

Then why did you not also put 'INTJ' between quotation marks when you wrote it in your signature?

I do agree that it's a fine quote, though.

 

[flow]

This is a good example of an INTJ sticking to their guns, despite the evidence.

 

[Kianara]

Then why did you not also put 'INTJ' between quotation marks when you wrote it in your signature?

I do agree that it's a fine quote, though.

I just copy-pasted the line. The "Rene Descartes, INTJ" was already there. I saw no point in removing it since I had been searching for INTJ quotes.

This is a good example of an INTJ sticking to their guns, despite the evidence.

I have been given no evidence thus far...

 

[flow]

ehn...other than that T-shirt...

http://www.theintrovertzcoach.com/famous_intp.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/bennyhills/hardy/441/personality/intp.html
http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/intp/

and more...if you just keep looking. Show me where Descartes is considered an INTJ!

 

[Sugarpop]

I'm waiting for evidence to support any assessment of his personality, apart from websites merely claiming it.

 

[fullerene]

edit: ahh, lol sugarpop slipped in before me. Well... here ya go

[we need a good eye rolling emoticon]

haha, this might just be the most ridiculous thing I think I've seen here. I'd almost be upset about the possibility of people ganging up on and chasing away the non-INTP like at INTPc, if wisp and kia didn't know each other outside of this place.

Anyway, I would actually be inclined to wonder whether or not he's an INTP, based on what I've seen of his Meditations. They're really one large appeal to God to justify Science, which I'm sure a solid 88% of you hate the idea of, and he equivocates the meanings of "thinking thing" within the first couple of pages. The only thing he really "shows" (that is, if you believe his premise up to that point, that one must exist in order to think) is that he is capable of believing things, which requires thought, and then suddenly asks "but what is a thinking thing? It is a thing that doubts, understands, [conceives], affirms, denies, wills, refuses; that imagines also, and perceives...." and goes from there.

From what I've seen, INTPs don't usually mess their terms up like that, uneless he did it on purpose thinking that no one would notice, since they usually think with concepts rather than words. I'd be willing to bet that sites like those knew the phrase "cogito, ergo sum" and said "hey... that seems to sum up INTPs pretty well. If he thought that (since most peoeple don't know the context in which he said it, I get the feeling that they think he meant something along the lines of "thinking is the most important part of life" sometimes), he probably was one." Then they stick his name up as a famous INTP, and people run with it.

He may have been one, and he may not have been one... but why would you use practically homemade MBTI sites to type someone when you could read something he wrote and analyze it yourself?

 

[Jesin]

Eh, that thing you said about his phrase "cogito ergo sum"...

 

[Waterstiller]

If anyone has any doubts that he was INTP after watching this, I don't know what else to say other than he spent his life doubting everything and didn't do much of anything besides thinking and sleeping.



(After reading biographies and the notebooks of Leonardo da Vinci, my best guess is that he was INTP as well. But I don't care enough to make an argument for it.)

 

[Kianara]

I'm not trying to debate it. Here's the site I got it from http://www.keirsey.com/rational_quotes.aspx

I just happened to trust the Keirsey site more than the homemade ones. I don't intend to make an argument of it and I never did.

haha, this might just be the most ridiculous thing I think I've seen here. I'd almost be upset about the possibility of people ganging up on and chasing away the non-INTP like at INTPc, if wisp and kia didn't know each other outside of this place.

lol, fear not. I'll have my revenge tomorrow. I'd pick on him except that I know enough to do it in an arena that favors me.

 

[del]

In my view, it's much less about whether or not Descartes himself was really an INTP (who knows anyway, right?), but more a matter of his philosophy and methodology being incredibly Ti-ish.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Who cares if he was INTP or INTJ, he is dead.. and was just another person.

 

[Kianara]

Who cares if he was INTP or INTJ, he is dead.. and was just another person.

Wisp apparently cared.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

LOL true

 

[Sugarpop]

Carebearstare!

 

[Agent Intellect]

if Descartes is INTP, does that mean we're better then everyone else?

i think God is INTP. discuss.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Indeed it would make us better than everyone else since Descartes was basically the most intelligent person to ever walk the earth

And of course god is an INTP, would you not say god could be considered an architect?
Of course he isn't real though

 

[Kianara]

*sigh* this is kind of off topic.... But I think God is an XXXX, just to mix things up.

 

[fullerene]

can you justify the "sensing" part of that for gathering information?

 

[Kianara]

Eh... How about XNXX?

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Lol he is definitely introverted, he doesnt make very many appearances does he, and he would have created a world where he could be with the people he made if he were extroverted. T instead of F because if he was emotionally driven he would probably answer peoples prayers. And P instead of J because he takes no part in his plan, he created it and granted it freedom.

All of this is just dribble though... god..pff

 

[fullerene]

lol... that last post had to be a joke...

Anyway kia... after a little bit, this thread turned to typing God and the kind of person he wants us to be.

 

[Kianara]

That looks very interesting. I'm going to go take a look. Thanks for the link

 

[Jesin]

this thread

Ooh, some of the stuff you said in one of the later posts in that thread may be worth making a thread about. I think I'll do that later. (Not now. Have to sleep.)

 

[Anling]

lol... that last post had to be a joke...

Anyway kia... after a little bit, this thread turned to typing God and the kind of person he wants us to be.

That was a good read. Man I wish I had been around to participate in that discussion.