Taking Heat : Laziness and being "in your own world"

[pjoa09]

I have been taking a lot of heat in my family business for being lazy and phrases have been called out such as "idiot" and "where are you?" (rhetorically).

Is there any hope? Or I should just go to college?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I have been taking a lot of heat in my family business for being lazy and phrases have been called out such as "idiot" and "where are you?" (rhetorically).

Is there any hope? Or I should just go to college?

Abandon the business and engage in a pursuit that you're interested in but also can earn a living doing.

 

[Stoic Beverage]

Abandon the business and engage in a pursuit that you're interested in but also can earn a living doing.

"How do I complete my quest to slay the Great Bandersnatch?"
"Why, find him and stab him."

While I couldn't offer anything better, I can't help but say that your message seems a bit to vague to be helpful.

 

[Glordag]

You are simply a brain in a vat. Nothing you say or do matters. You must be everything.

Or you could go to college. That makes sense, too.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Without far more context, it's pointless to offer advice.

Dave

 

[Stoic Beverage]

"How do I complete my quest to slay the Great Bandersnatch?"
"Why, find him and stab him."

While I couldn't offer anything better, I can't help but say that your message seems a bit to vague to be helpful.

Whoops, meant to say "too".

 

[EFM]

Is there any hope? Or I should just go to college?

Sub-username= tetris
Avatar= 2 computers
Conclusion: You're techy
Problem=they see you as productless
Solution= Create product
Execution???= Make an inane flash game and sell it for $$$
Follow through=buy another (AWESOME) computer and game all day being unproductive until college, putting your family in its place.

I just solved your life no refunds

 

[pjoa09]

meh flash, thats dual monitoring, it's a surprise that college simply comes where you live... does it? because I gotta get into a university worth it. I have applied and rejected a university because I thought I was going down easy.

But yeah that's my pipe dream sort of... I develop an amazing software and Microsoft/Google/Apple/Facebook wet themselves seeing it so they put down $ 40 million and I agree while I wet myself too.

In simple it would just be wet pants and dollar bills on them with Drake singing in the background about how he's enjoying his success while I relate to it simultaneously.

Whoa. Back to life.

Yeah I still haven't got C++ licking my fingers and begging for more. Rather she's rather upset that I have left her alone just about half way again.

Yeah I am virgin.

And yeah it has been the fairytale INTP misery.

Which distro are you on? I always associate the penguin with Slackware but I must be wrong.

 

[EFM]

Which distro are you on? I always associate the penguin with Slackware but I must be wrong.

I'm using Ubuntu, not intense enough for slackware, I like having that interface to fall back onto. I'm using chrome so that might affect what you see.

(and right now I'm on OS10)

 

[pjoa09]

huh. nice. slackware does have GUI options like XFCE and KDE it's just that it took me 3 hours to get my wireless to work with WPA and I destroyed it with the deletion of a single file.

 

[Nocturne]

Same thing occurs to me. My family owns a business where I work at. Anyways, I'd rather go to college/ somewhere else than staying there....

 

[EditorOne]

What's the family business, how big is it, and is there any place within it for a randomly motivated, relatively easily bored, innovative problem solver who gravitates toward silence, context, and always asking "why?" ?

 

[pjoa09]

What's the family business, how big is it, and is there any place within it for a randomly motivated, relatively easily bored, innovative problem solver who gravitates toward silence, context, and always asking "why?" ?

No, that is why we ceased to exist before Larry Page.

It's a small import/export company that would work better if it had more money hungry ESTJs and ENTJs .

But my position could possible feed innovative problem solver but then I would have to gravitate towards communication amongst lesser mortals.

I could say I would survive better if I were an INTJ. All of this unnecessary redundancy that tries to eat up my sleep while only crumbs of social life are still on the plate.

If the redundancy goes then so does my right of remaining silent.

 

[EFM]

huh. nice. slackware does have GUI options like XFCE and KDE it's just that it took me 3 hours to get my wireless to work with WPA and I destroyed it with the deletion of a single file.

Dear god. please tell me you didn't just log in as root instead of executing as root.

 

[mack]

I could say I would survive better if I were an INTJ. All of this unnecessary redundancy that tries to eat up my sleep while only crumbs of social life are still on the plate.

If the redundancy goes then so does my right of remaining silent.

Well, the ability to tolerate redundancy when it is against one's 'nature as an INTP' is one to be strived for.

As for advice--
What do you think of telling your family/bosses that you plan to go to college to develop a work ethic and general down-to-earthness?
Whatever it is that they want, you can probably make the case that college will help with developing it.

Hopefully saying something like that would make your family happy, and I'm pretty sure college is an experience worth having, so it's a win-win. Doing something like this will leave you with less reason to be stressed about what'll happen if college ends up not working out. Oftentimes stress only gets in the way of what it wants.

Do you want to stay at the family business? You've implied that you don't, but you haven't yet said so.

If so, I second ProxyAmenRa's advice:

Abandon the business and engage in a pursuit that you're interested in but also can earn a living doing.

Also, you might want to give us a rough idea of how old you are, as it's worth taking into consideration on life stuff like this.

But yeah that's my pipe dream sort of... I develop an amazing software and Microsoft/Google/Apple/Facebook wet themselves seeing it so they put down $ 40 million and I agree while I wet myself too.

Whoa. Back to life.

Yeah I still haven't got C++ licking my fingers and begging for more. Rather she's rather upset that I have left her alone just about half way again.

If you're interested in big stuff like that, I'd check out web [app] development. It's a lot easier to get significant attention, or at least get credibility from the big players with a popular website.

You seem to be interested in programming and linux; why not look into becoming a software engineer or something similar? If you have the time and inclination to fool around with slackware, you probably have the time to learn the stuff you need for software engineering. It'll likely be fun and interesting.

Also, degrees/qualifications/etc matter far less in the industry than they do in others. It's easier to make it while taking an unconventional path, which is especially good for INTPs, I think.

 

[pjoa09]

Dear god. please tell me you didn't just log in as root instead of executing as root.

Actually I do that fairly often when dealing with problems. (Idiot, I know)

But that incident occured in user mode when I had my share of frustration and rooted Thunar (WM) and went off hunting for some filed called wlan0 and ended up deleting wpa_supplicant.conf and then when I tried to replace it, it didn't work anymore. But I believe I can fly, in about 4 hours of devoted mindless tinkering.

But I have slowed down considerably with the usage of Slackware in simply focusing areas where I am not as strong in. (social, work, and etc.)

Which really begs the question "but why?". My blame rests solely on wpa_supplicant and my lack of curiosity of how wireless security works on Slackware.

 

[pjoa09]

Well, the ability to tolerate redundancy when it is against one's 'nature as an INTP' is one to be strived for.

It is also a struggle in which many innocent bills,cards, and coins are lost.

As for advice--
What do you think of telling your family/bosses that you plan to go to college to develop a work ethic and general down-to-earthness?
Whatever it is that they want, you can probably make the case that college will help with developing it.

Hopefully saying something like that would make your family happy, and I'm pretty sure college is an experience worth having, so it's a win-win. Doing something like this will leave you with less reason to be stressed about what'll happen if college ends up not working out. Oftentimes stress only gets in the way of what it wants.
Do you want to stay at the family business? You've implied that you don't, but you haven't yet said so.

Unfortunately, I declared the gap year claiming 'unfit' for university. The work ethic and 'down-to-earthness' is the strongest in the company compared to universities. In fact, I still can't beat the reasons staying here other than I want to ease the load on myself.

What beats joining my father's business to lighten the load and take forth the leadership for my brothers, cousins, and employees?

The only way out through the front door is an SAT score that in the comment section write : "This guy is fucking smart and will do something more than just a degree and come back to your office asking for a job" (which is what happens to most graduates here, Asia)

If so, I second ProxyAmenRa's advice:


Also, you might want to give us a rough idea of how old you are, as it's worth taking into consideration on life stuff like this.


If you're interested in big stuff like that, I'd check out web [app] development. It's a lot easier to get significant attention, or at least get credibility from the big players with a popular website.

You seem to be interested in programming and linux; why not look into becoming a software engineer or something similar? If you have the time and inclination to fool around with slackware, you probably have the time to learn the stuff you need for software engineering. It'll likely be fun and interesting.

Also, degrees/qualifications/etc matter far less in the industry than they do in others. It's easier to make it while taking an unconventional path, which is especially good for INTPs, I think.

Now that I do agree with and I have been taking steps towards web development but due to my unfamiliarity with web development I tend on improving with the low-level language that I learned in school, C++.

 

[mack]

Now that I do agree with and I have been taking steps towards web development but due to my unfamiliarity with web development I tend on improving with the low-level language that I learned in school, C++.

It is said that higher-level languages teach the fundamentals of programming language paradigms(OO, functional programming, etc.) far better, and many people start learning CS/programming with a higher-level language. MIT used to teach its intro CS course with Scheme(a dialect of Lisp, and an especially high-level language), and it switched to Python(which is also high-level) a few years ago.

However, you should do whatever you're comfortable with. Motivation is paramount when it comes to self-teaching, of course.

The only way out through the front door is an SAT score that in the comment section write : "This guy is fucking smart and will do something more than just a degree and come back to your office asking for a job" (which is what happens to most graduates here, Asia)

I'm not sure I understood your meaning. Do you mean that you have that sort of SAT score, or do you just mean that you'd need one?

 

[pjoa09]

It is said that higher-level languages teach the fundamentals of programming language paradigms(OO, functional programming, etc.) far better, and many people start learning CS/programming with a higher-level language. MIT used to teach its intro CS course with Scheme(a dialect of Lisp, and an especially high-level language), and it switched to Python(which is also high-level) a few years ago.

However, you should do whatever you're comfortable with. Motivation is paramount when it comes to self-teaching, of course.


I'm not sure I understood your meaning. Do you mean that you have that sort of SAT score, or do you just mean that you'd need one?

Yes, I have absolutely no proof that I will be successful and inspiring in university.

If I did perhaps it would convince me as well to invest my parent's money in university.

A for programming, I agree that the fundamental logic isn't as emphasized in C++ as much as Python. However, I feel more comfortable with it's syntax and that just provides me more flexibility when I attempt programs with my limited knowledge.

 

[EFM]

Actually I do that fairly often when dealing with problems. (Idiot, I know)

Well, at least you know, and it doesn't sound like you did it out of incompetence

But I have slowed down considerably with the usage of Slackware in simply focusing areas where I am not as strong in. (social, work, and etc.)

Which really begs the question "but why?". My blame rests solely on wpa_supplicant and my lack of curiosity of how wireless security works on Slackware.

Ya... as a relative noob to the world of unix security, ssh, and establishing real connectivity between machines is taking its toll on my will power... plus my /\social life/student activities/joblessness

 

[pjoa09]

After much reflection, I decide to make a steady exit out of the company.

Leaving me to be in this company will never work out to its potential.

I will never be what they want me to be even if I desire to be what they want me to be.

I am cuckoo bird, I may appear to be the same nest but I was never interested in money and I always thought more than I spoke.

I am the only introvert in the whole family and I am the only aloof one as well.

My consistent daydreaming and shyness does not depict the stereotypical businessman and if there were any businessmen like me they have already proven themselves in more intuitive and intellectual areas.

These paperwork Sundays will always bring grimace at myself and at this inconsiderate lifestyle.

My mind is better than this and it is better than whatever my contributions to this company will ever be.

Thus, my biggest mistake is to mistaken myself as a tool for me, my family, and this company.

I hope within 6 months I will relieve myself of these unnecessary,unintellectual, and hopeless burdens.