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There are two pertinent things my brother can do I cannot.

1. Hold a bowl on his hand that has been on the stove 5 minutes.
2. Watch a leaf grow for 24 hours, watch ants colonize for two hours.

I notice that I am thinking all the time and it is effortful.

I think that my brother has no thoughts and if he does he is not in control of them like I am.

His ability to focus does not suppress the senses the way my thoughts suppress mine.

My closest guess is that he is ESTJ. He is able to take cold showers and I am not. He is messy and I am not.

This shows an orientation I believe. I am hostile to external things and he is not when it comes to the senses.
 

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A guy told me something one time and I thought he was fucking idiot. We have 5 senses.

You have 5 senses that they teach you in American schools. We love rationalists. Obvious observability or don't bother talking about it.

Makes.. sense. Your brother has control over that.. tell him to write about what he sees?

No clue, but trying to change him will probably make him mad. Who wouldn't be mad if they had to change?
 

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Whenever I try probing into my brother's mind he gets hostile toward me.

He did tell me he is capable of listening to three radio stations at the same time.

 

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Weird how people have such different experiences, such different levels of sensitivity. We have to believe them and not know how, just know they do what they were born with.
You are lucky if you are sensitive because it makes you richer inside than most. All you can do is appreciate variety.

My Dad was a fire walker and when we had big parties on the beach, would show off and walk through fire and coals barefoot, pfft, I just wonder if its the difference between being empath and narcissists.

 

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narcissists

They are the easy ones to spot.

They are borderline and random.

It is the sociopaths that you need to look out for.

The lizard brains, the preditors, smooth sly cool guys/women.

They hide their intentions until the last moment. But they have the dragon eyes.

Burning anger behind them. But calm on the outside.

But worst of all is the moralist, They think they are perfect and all they do is perfect and "justified". - A sociopath at least has honor if you are a formidable foe but a moralist will see you are lower than a worm for believing "the wrong things". Beyond contempt. A sociopath will eat you but a moralist will crucify you. Narcissists will accuse, fight and ignore you but they will never confront you directly because they would need to confront themselves first, they are cowards.
 

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They hide their intentions until the last moment. But they have the dragon eyes.
Do they? Not to pic apart your post. But Id argue dragon eyes is pretty nebulous term, if that were the case wouldnt people just avoid them.
And no person ever had hidden agenda except sociopaths?
Have you ever seen Wittgenstein eyes?
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But he was pretty intense and war wet so who knows.
Maybe you have been avoiding people that had dragon eyes?

Beyond contempt. A sociopath will eat you but a moralist will crucify you.
Moralist is narcissism. The irony is often lost on people.

Narcissists will accuse, fight and ignore you but they will never confront you directly because they would need to confront themselves first, they are cowards.
Narcissistic people are some of the most disagreeable people on planet as far as reading goes.
Maybe cowards, but is everyone who is coward a narcissist?
Aren't ordinary people allowed to chicken out from time to time?
 

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Have you ever seen Wittgenstein eyes?

I was thinking of someone else. Someone I know who looked at me funny once when I got between him and his girlfriend after he hit her.

but is everyone who is coward a narcissist?
Aren't ordinary people allowed to chicken out from time to time?

self-absorbed people can be brave I guess.

if you think you are all that and a bag of chips?

but it depends on if they make everything your problem and not theirs.
 

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Yeah I think that's a fake smile. All that being said I do too fake smiles. I learned it helps. Its exhausting though.
I just think going around with flat face affect spooks people more.
I can smile geniunly only about things that make me happy, and most of what people say is not that happy or funny.
Which means Id probably not laugh much at all around people.
 

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I think that's a fake smile.

if you look at it right you can see a snarl behind it.

why are the eyes squinty?

You had to be there when it happened but he was pissed as fuck.
 

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On point of sensitivity I have high pitch frequency sensitivity.
For instance when a metal hits the floor my eyes blink uncontrollably.
I cannot figure out what caused it.
I also had to cover my ears on airshows as a child it was ripping my ear drums.
When it comes to work in fastfood it was auditory and smelling hell.
Just approaching the kitchen made me sweat.

I also have lower sensitivity for certain parts of body.
I can bleed or hit my self and not feel it sometimes.
How much outside of nor that is I don't know.

For instance now I am wearing earphones as I find it soothing despite not actually listening to anything.
I listen to music on lower volume, but sometimes when in the mood I blast it, though it can make me feel bit bad.

As for your brother I don't know, but I spent a good portion of my early life looking at ant hills and collecting bugs. As kids we also experimented putting bugs in jars and see them duke it out. A sort of gladiator thing.
Also loved to feed spiders flies and watch them grow fat. Its amazing watching a spider process a fly.
I also out of curiosity used to stick my hand in ant hills and let them bite me to see what it feels like.
Also collected grasshoppers into a jar, but even making holes in the jar they died.
Which kind of defeated the point of collecting them, not the brightest guy.
Had a tic tac with an ant for fun. I fed him sugar.
Once tried to have a ant hive at home, and my mother found it and said I can't for obvious reasons.
Adults are no fun.
 

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if you look at it right you can see a snarl behind it.

why are the eyes squinty?

You had to be there when it happened but he was pissed as fuck.
Yeah OK. So that makes a person a sociopath?
Maybe it does, I am just curious?
 

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Yeah, nothing hurts them, nothing scares them.

Imagine driving a rickety rv with wobbly wheels at speeds over 100mph with cops chasing dessert highways or jumping off of buildings or being able to convince people of anything.
They have no pain or fear at all. Mom knew one that took over her life and I am still shredding her accounts of what happened, really horrific stuff.
 

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if you look at it right you can see a snarl behind it.

why are the eyes squinty?

You had to be there when it happened but he was pissed as fuck.
Yeah OK. So that makes a person a sociopath?
Maybe it does, I am just curious?

Sociopathy is the mindset of a predator. I have known this person for a long time since 12. He is not antisocial he does not break laws or hurt people. He is just fake on the outside that I can tell so. He looks at people as prey so it is based on his honor for people that he either respects them or sees only their vulnerabilities. @birdsnestfern put it perfectly, they have no fear.
 

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Yeah, nothing hurts them, nothing scares them.

Imagine driving a rickety rv with wobbly wheels at speeds over 100mph with cops chasing dessert highways or jumping off of buildings or being able to convince people of anything.
They have no pain or fear at all. Mom knew one that took over her life and I am still shredding her accounts of what happened, really horrific stuff.
Yeah, that is sad. But I am sorry, I am not sure what to say.
I heard that stuff, and I always get suspicious around people who have no fear factor.
I tend to be a little fearless alone, around people, I am sort of social phobic.
Not sure why exactly.
But everything related to people is one cluster of stress.
 

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Yes, the stress is there to protect I'm sure.
I Just watched the Netflix series "You". Joe Goldberg has those dragon eyes, something dark in them, he plays that part well.
Anyway, when they pit two sociopaths against each other it gets pretty intense.
OK, anyway, I'm an empath type so I can feel energy of others as a means of protection I suppose.
Another way of being avoidant, its just after a while, intentions are almost always less than pure, even from other empaths because they've been hurt and have their tiger claws out.
So you have to find someone with similar skeletons and experiences, and if not, might as well just stay single.
People are just so unpredictable.
 

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People are just so unpredictable.

I have my dark side.
But that is overwhelmed by my vulnerabilities.
Hurting others just feels too much like hurting myself.
Because then they just bully you or you hurt something innocent and hate yourself.

I took a psychological evaluation and it said I blame everything on myself.
I don't see everyone as good I just see certain people as better than others.

I am enneagram 9w1, INTJ and Dandere male. 35yo. But I am into a.i.

Sister is 7w6 ESFP and Yaundere. is a secretary and has a 5-year-old girl.

Brother is 8w7 ESTJ and Tsundere. like animals and construction.

Mom is 2w3 ISFJ and Kundere. Like the little house on the prairie. She blocks everything out and is disassociated.

Aunt is 5w3 ESFJ and Kundere was a teacher for 35 years.

We have some strange interactions since I am the only empath in the family.
 

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So you have to find someone with similar skeletons and experiences, and if not, might as well just stay single.
Don't have to tell me twice.

Yes, the stress is there to protect I'm sure.
Honestly its just fucking up my mojo.

OK, anyway, I'm an empath type so I can feel energy of others as a means of protection I suppose.
I don't know. I often wonder whether its paranoia, social phobia or both.
Generally I prefer solitude for this reason, its god sent when I get it.
I doubt I have that much empathy. But empathy is a nebulous construct anyway.
At least for me.
That being said its cool. I often wonder if I would actually function well with empath even as a friend. I often get an impression I can kill a mood in 4 seconds without noticing.

People are just so unpredictable.
Honestly I don't even trust my self. Its why being alone is so chill.
When you are alone you can trust yourself more.
When shit happens around people I don't know what to do.
Most interaction feels like I am just winging it.
 

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if you look at it right you can see a snarl behind it.

why are the eyes squinty?

You had to be there when it happened but he was pissed as fuck.
That is bad news. But anger issues not always translate to sociopathy, but.....
I was thinking of someone else. Someone I know who looked at me funny once when I got between him and his girlfriend after he hit her.
..... here you are correct. That is bad. I can't discount though your subjective experience. I just think lot of pop psychology I read might actually be realistically bunk. Hence I often feel a little guarded when making label assumptions.
I used to read those article like gospel. But the more you think about this stuff the more you have to wonder where the line is.

For instance if it was heated moment and that duded felt sorry for it later, he would not be a sociopath.
If he actually intended to do it and and felt little to no remorse or even wanted to perpetuate it that be different.
I can't really tell.
I had one person snarl at me once for real, but she was just fucking pissed I touched food with my unwashed hands at work. So the look is probably something like this only in real time it was much scarier.
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His ability to focus does not suppress the senses the way my thoughts suppress mine.
Honestly autism is still in a stage where I think pharma will try to milk the diagnosis for as much cash as possible. Maybe 20 years from now we will really know what is there to know about it.
Really everyones filter is a unique finger print of inflow of information.
 

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His ability to focus does not suppress the senses the way my thoughts suppress mine.
Honestly autism is still in a stage where I think pharma will try to milk the diagnosis for as much cash as possible. Maybe 20 years from now we will really know what is there to know about it.
Really everyones filter is a unique finger print of inflow of information.

Autism is something kind of specific. it is when there are too many connections in the brain. Grey matter in the frontal lobes is thicker. So in the autistic person, they focus more on sensory perception than on the internal manipulation of data. I am not talking about working memory I mean the ventral medial prefrontal cortex. This is the part of the brain that connects the "self" to the "other". As in they did x, I would do x if abc. They did x because abc. In the mind of the autistic, they have a different theory of mind. X happens because of "logic", not "emotion". Because the VMPFC is not developed to produce an emotional cause in the self. The self is just what the system says is external cause and effect not internal. Why did I do xyz? because external reasons abc. Normally people say because I felt like it. Or because I had a preference. But in logic, it all depends on the external. So this is how the autistic person thinks others operate. Why did sue do xyz? because of external factors abc, not internal motives def. To the autistic person, everything is driven by the environment all motives are environmental motives. So people must act based on environmental factors and not hidden causes.

The opposite is schizo. This is a thinning of connections and looks for hidden motives that are not there. I have a friend who thinks that everyone is trying to poison him. He thinks everyone is thinking things about him so if you say something neutral he takes it as confirmation of his thoughts about what you were thinking about him. Schizos are always thinking about what others are thinking and autists think people only think of things in the environment. An autistic person never guesses that a person would be thinking about what they are just that an objective world exists that we all share.

Fe thinks we all share the same values.
Te thinks we all have the same reasoning.

Se sees everything in high fidelity
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Ne sees its ideas as objective/obvious to anyone who looks at them.

Fi knows its values are different
Ti knows people reason differently
Si feels everything in the body
Ni symbols/images can mean different things to different people.

As INTJ I can tell the difference between all of them. because I have experienced people disagreeing with me on almost all of them. To Freud, everything was a penis. His ideas were objective and Jung disagreed because he did not reason in the same way. I do not think everyone has the same values so I am not Fe but my values are not selfish. Te is between Ni and Fi. so I am aware that language is symbology. What I say can be interpreted but not by me but by others. Ti will consider this and phrase things in the most clear-cut way possible that is interpreted in multiple ways but only to the degree that it cannot be defined in such a way as to pin down the author as meaning something he did not. I already know what I mean I just have to translate it when I am misunderstood so that I get the meaning across I want and the symbols write themselves in the expression that though clear in reference to me is still interpretable to me once the misunderstanding is resolved.

My brother thinks everyone reasons like him.
He can feel everything in his body.
He thinks his ideas are objective.
And he thinks his values are the best values well respecting others to some degree.

I believe symbols are interpretable.
I believe that reasoning happens in symbols but there are underlying similarities.
I have values that have to do with kindness and respect.
I sometimes but not always have high fidelity in vision.

I often fight with my brother over the meaning of things because he disagrees so much. He says it is only one way and I don't. Definitions are fluid and he takes everything literally by his own internal dictionary.

My sister is less picky about words but she gets upset if you bring up something she is attached to.

People call me autistic but in podlair they call me Nai’xyy.

My therapist thinks I am autistic (super high functioning) but I said how can I be autistic if you also think I am an empath? Doesn't that kinda contradict?

Maybe I have too many connections in some places but fewer connections in other places. My eyes move in different ways because of the podlair system. I just don't like people who judge me and I don't feel comfortable around strangers who I know are not friendly by the first few seconds of interactions. I keep the therapist I have because she can challenge me without exactly being judgmental about it. I think she is 9w8.
 

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Movements are what should be observed imo. The face isn't that important usually and unless you're confident (historically you have every reason to be).

Experience matters. Experience is what people seem to be competing for.. hogging the ball and all that. Chasing the dragon
 

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Autism is something kind of specific. it is when there are too many connections in the brain. Grey matter in the frontal lobes is thicker. So in the autistic person, they focus more on sensory perception than on the internal manipulation of data. I am not talking about working memory I mean the ventral medial prefrontal cortex. This is the part of the brain that connects the "self" to the "other". As in they did x, I would do x if abc. They did x because abc. In the mind of the autistic, they have a different theory of mind. X happens because of "logic", not "emotion". Because the VMPFC is not developed to produce an emotional cause in the self. The self is just what the system says is external cause and effect not internal. Why did I do xyz? because external reasons abc. Normally people say because I felt like it. Or because I had a preference. But in logic, it all depends on the external. So this is how the autistic person thinks others operate. Why did sue do xyz? because of external factors abc, not internal motives def. To the autistic person, everything is driven by the environment all motives are environmental motives. So people must act based on environmental factors and not hidden causes.
That is interesting. Never heard this explanation.
However I would argue that the term autism, much like other stuff in psychology will undergo changes over time.
God knows what will be in 20 years time.
There used to be like 1 in 1000 diagnosed. In rainman movie he was pretty obviously autistic savant type.
So when it comes to diagnosing the low functioning people in psychology its pretty obvious.
It is the high functioning people who are problem, much like only recently they found out that girls are so good at masking autism symptoms they go unnoticed.
The reality is that psychology has to be prepared to accept certain new framework and more scientific one.
For instance not many people know that DSM is really just shortcut for psychologist.
Its not the territory.

Also found a channel for guns I loved watching, because the IxTP guy was so good at explaining the stuff.

He said when people say "There is no such thing as xyz" what really happens he always proves them wrong that their actually is.
So much so that its almost a rule that there is some exception to the rule.
So I would argue that you having the social brain and autism at once is probably possible.
There just is not enough scientist to go around figuring out everything.

But I find your neurology pretty interesting, a kind of weird mix of this and that.
 

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I often fight with my brother over the meaning of things because he disagrees so much. He says it is only one way and I don't. Definitions are fluid and he takes everything literally by his own internal dictionary.
Yes, but that is normal.
Language is not that precise be it grammatically correct or not.
Its in fact so flexible to use language that you can convey some meaning by simply talking half gibberish half normal.
Language is something we developed intuitively and its innate instinct.
For autistic people certain things are just not that easy.

For instance I remember reading that autistic people read, but don't comprehend the text. I used to do that to some degree. Not in a Kanners autism way, but I did read a lot of things and miss the mark by a shit ton.
It took me years for example to realize that Matrix is allegory for human mind.
I totally missed the boat on so many social things, because of this.
 

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Language is not that precise be it grammatically correct or not.
Its in fact so flexible to use language that you can convey some meaning by simply talking half gibberish half normal.

My brother once let me play his video game and I told him I could not play it because it was not accurate. He said that is because I needed to adjust it to fit my head but I said that was not the problem. I tried to tell him that the controllers were acting like pool noodles but he would not let me finish because I used the word accurate and that meant it had to be because I was not wearing it properly. No, it was because the controllers did not fit my body like pool noodles. I do not remember the rest of the fight but he insisted that "accurate" meant this, this, and this not what I was describing it meant.

Another time I wanted to leave my mom's house and he kept grabbing me and would not let me in the car. Eventually, I broke his arm bone (Ulna) with a lead pipe just because yelling "I want to leave" did not work.
 

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Why I cannot relax:

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I resist sensory input.

I guess that anxiety is also caused by trying not to cry. Suppression of depression.

Cannot express myself so hold it all inside. Intergrity is slipping.

Want to be productive but I gots the ADD.

Everything affects me, my vulnerabilities.

Staring at the blank page before me: Nothing happens.

I cannot design things in my head. I just write down ideas.

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