Something that has been bugging me with marijuana

[Nick]

I remember reading a quote somewhere here from a fellow INTP, I cannot find it, but it goes along the lines of:

Why smoke weed when I feel like I'm high all the time?

Now this has been running though my head for the last month or so, only to surface now since I can't figure it out...

Questions:

Important: How do we know how other peoples minds think when their high?

Not so important: How does our mind differ when it's high, is it... superhigh since we've the high mentality all the time?

afterthought question: Has anyone ever told you, while you were younger, that you looked high? looked high all the time?

I used to get this constantly, even though I never smoked in my life when younger...


Is there a correlation there?

Does... now this is a stretch... a non-INTP get more of an INTP thought process once they're high? ...Does an INTP have a 'high' thought process all the time? Could a high-look correlate with the INTP/high thought-process?

 

[ℜεмїηїs¢εη¢ε]

Important:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vhZZtSOvoBA

Not so important:

I've never gotten high so I couldn't tell you. Why don't you give it a try?

People have constantly told me that I looked high; it's probably normal (for INTPs.)

 

[DrSketchpad]

Yes, multiple times.
I have never smoked a day in my life but I've been told a lot of times that I'd be the perfect stoner.

 

[The Introvert]

I've wondered (somewhat) similar things myself.

I would like to point out that I am an INTJ, so bear that in mind.

How do we know how other peoples minds think when their high?

They're*

Spoiler

Sorry, it's the grammar nazi in me

But, to answer the question. Why not just ask them what they're thinking? Through my own personal experience, the best way to figure out how people think is to just sit down and talk to them. I don't know about you, but after I smoke, my focus on a particular topic is extremely intensified, so much so that it is literally impossible to think of more than one thing at a time. This can be conducive to hyper-critical thinking just as much as it can be used to focus hardcore on a video game, or conversation. My favorite thing to do is to just sit down and have a good ol' fashioned conversation with people. No cell phones. No excess stimulation. If you've never done it, you should find someone you're comfortable with and do it. Trust me, you'll find something to talk about if you're under the influence

Has anyone ever told you, while you were younger, that you looked high?

My nickname since 6th grade has been 'stoner'.

Spoiler

Didn't start smoking until freshman year of college

Even some of my teachers called me that.

It's funny, I didn't even understand what the term meant until a few years later. I assumed it was something 'bad' but never really got a straight answer from anyone.

 

[torroneus]

Why smoke weed when I feel like I'm high all the time?

OMG, I always think about that.....
Some people think I use drugs, but they are usually fucking extroverteds....

 

[Proletar]

Nope. Not true for me.


When I'm sober I'm sober, and when I'm high it's highly visible. Feeling high all the time? Not possible. If that has been your standard state of consciousness since growing up, you wouldn't call it being high, but being sober. Is my blue your blue?

And yes. I do believe people get more in tune with our way of thinking with it. At least that's my experience, since people tend to start listening to me a lot more after they've smoked with me at least once. In return, my sensory imputs become more highly defined. I never appreciate music as much as when I'm stoned for example. I hear new instruments and different notes and so on.

 

[SLushhYYY]

Kids thought I was a stoner starting in 7th grade....

Now when I do smoke, the difference is clearly visible.

 

[Nick]

But, to answer the question. Why not just ask them what they're thinking?

Not really what they're thinking, but 'how' they're thinking, or more importantly, how their thinking differs from their normal thinking... their thought process... attention to detail... people get more paranoid and seem to manifest those Ne eyes (twitchy... always looking around, analyzing, taking in patterns... I wont even break into a thought I have about everyone seeing patterns while on psychedelics, the higher evolution of learning, ect..).

I've read around on the forums here, that people(fellow INTPs) believed that everyone thought the same 'way' we think, up until a later age, then usually they have a sudden realization that, holy fuck, I'm a unique snowflake, so to speak...

Now would you say people, when they smoke, gain more Ti and Ne... our dominate functions in our facilities.

 

[Nezumi]

Questions:

Important: How do we know how other peoples minds think when their high?

By asking what they are thinking? Or how they are thinking it?

Not so important: How does our mind differ when it's high, is it... superhigh since we've the high mentality all the time?

I find that my inner voice gets even louder. That understanding other people that don't use words the same way I use them gets to be a problem. To the point were I give up and stop trying. So I get even quieter and sink into my headspace.

But I tend to think more freely, and discover new abstractions that I wouldn't have thought of otherwise or they would have taken me longer to get too. Information through my senses is easier. Emotions become even more distant.

Does... now this is a stretch... a non-INTP get more of an INTP thought process once they're high? ...Does an INTP have a 'high' thought process all the time? Could a high-look correlate with the INTP/high thought-process?

So I asked my INFP BF this question. And he says he thinks more like him but emotions don't affect him as much. Like he has more control in deciding which to experience. Unless his emotions are already a bit unbalanced. And then it one will stick out, be disharmonious and can ruin his high.
But his general way of thinking doesn't change.

I personally don't think that facial 'looks' can decide personalities. Even high ones.
Some of that is genetics. Some can be conditioning or facial expressions that run in the family.
My face rarely shows the emotion that I'm feeling. If I'm ok/content/spacing out I look stern/frowny-face. If I'm really into a book or movie, or just thinking to hard I look angry/mad/pissed off. I can fake a smile with the best of them, cause I work in costumer service. When I'm caught in drama or something somewhat bad has happened, I can be a nervous laugh/smiler. This has nothing to do with enjoying it. My brain just doesn't seem to know what to do with the sudden heightened emotion around me and it comes out as that.
If people were to judge me on these before getting to know me, they would think I was angry all the time, never talked and thought that I liked drama and found it amusing.

 

[TriflinThomas]

It switches my functions around. I go from INFJ to ISTP. My Se is boosted, as is my Ti, but I remain introverted. Also, my Fe is greatly diminished (so is my Ni, though not as much as Fe). It's sort of disorienting losing your preferred judging function, at first. But, I smoke a lot so I'm used to it

 

[The Introvert]

Not really what they're thinking, but 'how' they're thinking, or more importantly, how their thinking differs from their normal thinking... their thought process... attention to detail... people get more paranoid and seem to manifest those Ne eyes (twitchy... always looking around, analyzing, taking in patterns... I wont even break into a thought I have about everyone seeing patterns while on psychedelics, the higher evolution of learning, ect..).

I've heard different things from many different people. There are some who say that they feel like their whole perception has switched (regardless of type; ie: an introverted could become extroverted and vice versa). I have also personally seen extroverts have their perceptions amplified, just as I have seen introverts have their perceptions amplified.

As for me, I think only a few of my functions are "switched". As I stated earlier, I'm INTJ (Which coincidentally have none of the same functions as INTPs [Ni,Te,Fi,Se as opposed to Ti, Ne, Si, Fe]). The "switched" functions for me would be my leading and supporting functions (so Ni to Ne and Te to Ti, which would therefore make me Ne,Ti,Fe,Si [which isn't anything?])

Spoiler

Maybe I need to reconsider how I think when high

I guess Si,Te,Fi,Ne could make sense too, making me ISTJ. Not sure about these last few sentences.

ANYWAY, I argue that much of what people think about naturally affects how they think naturally. This is undocumented opinion, however.

Now would you say people, when they smoke, gain more Ti and Ne... our dominate functions in our facilities.

Well, as I said ^ it happens to me, and they are not my dominant functions. Gaining Ti and Ne does not necessarily equate to becoming more 'INTP-like', though. For me it's a strange place that sometimes provides great insight, and other times doesn't make one damn bit of sense.

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[The Introvert]

In addition to my previous post, I think this might raise another question:

Is it possible to form new types via chemical stimulation? In this case it would be THC. I'm almost positive I would be Ne,Ti,Fe,Si under the influence, which isn't anything. Thoughts?

 

[SLushhYYY]

My thoughts get way louder, to the point where I have to exclaim them. But I quickly realize that no one has a clue what I'm talking about, unless I'm alone then I just ramble away.

I think that I've become much more of an intp since I started smoking weed, but I also have trouble recollecting personality specifics prior to learning about mbti, not to say that my more vague characteristics were not intp like.

 

[maj_bumper]

Like someone mentioned earlier, my internal thought process speeds up and turns the volume to 11. I struggle to stay within a conversation, even if I find the topic and people interesting, I find my mind going off on tangents and generally straying away from socializing. I used to manage just fine, I mean, up til maybe 1 or 2 years ago, when I noticed how pronounced this introversion was getting while high, it was definitely still there. But I was generally able to stick with a conversation enough to feel interested and invested in it. Now it seems like my mind goes off to philosophy land while I'm stuck in a little beat up '91 Civic with three people talking about bullshit and smoke filling up the cab.

I've taken to smoking by myself mostly now, it's a lot more pleasant for me. It's much easier to find clarity in thought and emotion when alone and high, instead of getting frustrated and "sinking into my headspace" like Nezumi said. The only problem is I often don't get time to myself until late at night, and then if I smoke, it's sleepy-time, not thinky-time.

 

[TriflinThomas]

I've taken to smoking by myself mostly now, it's a lot more pleasant for me. It's much easier to find clarity in thought and emotion when alone and high, instead of getting frustrated and "sinking into my headspace" like Nezumi said. The only problem is I often don't get time to myself until late at night, and then if I smoke, it's sleepy-time, not thinky-time.

Yes to ALL of this (especially the night stuff) ^_^

 

[TriflinThomas]

In addition to my previous post, I think this might raise another question:

Is it possible to form new types via chemical stimulation? In this case it would be THC. I'm almost positive I would be Ne,Ti,Fe,Si under the influence, which isn't anything. Thoughts?

Yes, I strongly believe this. Because the human mind under the influence of drugs (psychedelics, especially) is different than the normal human mind.

 

[Question]

I have smoked before and there is a difference in how I think when I am high. I get a little light headed and even more forgetful, but nothing to drastic. Sometimes I veg out and just sit and think for a while, other times I go on the internet and laugh at everything. Maybe it feels different to other people, but at least I know that I am not high all the time, or at least not that high.

When I drink or smoke I almost feel less INTP, or I feel like it is easier to talk to people who are less intelligent, while usually I would find it annoying to have to explain something multiple times, when I am drunk or high, I usually don't even know what I am trying to explain.

 

[Publius]

Questions:

afterthought question: Has anyone ever told you, while you were younger, that you looked high? looked high all the time?

I used to get this constantly, even though I never smoked in my life when younger...

Yes! When I started secondary school (age 11) all of the older kids thought I was 'stoned' or 'blocked' as they called it all the time.

My experience with weed:
I first smoked ganja when I was 14 (yikes) and in fact smoked it even before even trying regular cigarettes. I hung out with a few slightly older kids for a time and they offered it to me once.

Since then (I am 23 now) I have smoked it on and off once in a while, dipping into semi-regular use in school holidays and that sort of thing. I had varying reactions to it. They were usually one of two:

1. If in a party environment, I was (as far as I could tell) being more fun and more drunk. A joint after having a couple of beers was a great feeling. I would be funny and the butt of many jokes (in a benign way)

Or

2. I used to smoke it sometimes with a few friends while watching strange films (David Lynch and the ilk). It would make my heart beat very fast and one time I even threw up. I would sit not saying anything, not responding to dialogue, not laughing at jokes. My mind would almost switch off or I'd feel the urge to drink lots of water and then go to sleep.

When I hear people sayin "funny stuff dude" when they're high I don't think it's all that absurd or unusual. Usually just ridiculous forced whimsical observations ("woah dude that TV looks like a cat spin-kicking a flower"...spare me!) and it's only after reading this thread that's made me realise...what if my mind IS doing what other people's only do under the influence of pot? If you were to cut into my mind at any point, you'd no doubt find me thinking something totally irrelevant to the current situation. Lying in bed once, my girlfriend asked me what I was thinking, and I told her I was wondering if I could use a Boost pedal in lieu of an amplifier going directly into a speaker without the use of some sort of power soak. Completely not what she expected.

 

[Late2theParty]

Important: How do we know how other peoples minds think when their high?

Not so important: How does our mind differ when it's high, is it... superhigh since we've the high mentality all the time?

I was thinking about this recently. I was hanging out at a friend of a friend's house and one of the people there loved to smoke. He kept asking / prodding me about smoking and I told him I didn't really enjoy it.

This completely bewildered and fascinated this guy. He started talking about how it made him feel and what it did to him... he said he would start thinking / pondering / contemplating... and he'd have all these ideas. It started sounding a lot like how I was [and kind of what an INTP was like ] on an everyday basis.

I don't really enjoy smoking pot because it makes my normal INTP-ness more extreme. My normal inner dialog goes nuts and I start thinking and pondering on an extreme level. I don't get any more focused at all, I just go from one thought to the next A.D.D on a much higher level than I normally do. Meanwhile I become more quiet, no short term memory at all and it becomes difficult to talk or interact or 'do' stuff. All I can really do is just sit down and space out quietly. Which is what I normally do most of the time anyways. I guess I kind of don't like it because I feel it doesn't add anything new to the table... it just makes what I already am way more extreme.

Which got me pondering. Are the people who really enjoy smoking marijuana people who are actually getting in touch with their inferior function? Like how we feel really good when we can get in touch / integrate with our inferior Fe? I definitely got that impression from this guy. I got the impression he was connecting with a part of himself that he has a hard time connecting with.

afterthought question: Has anyone ever told you, while you were younger, that you looked high? looked high all the time?

I have been told I am kinda high looking when I was younger. The fact I didn't pay as much attn to what I was wearing, and I was kinda spaced out when I talked lead to this. I also adopted a very slow calm form of speaking and demeanor to fit in, because I noticed that 'cool' ppl were always calm. The kids that got picked more often always had a nervous energy about them. But I think my personality came off a little more lethargic / apathetic maybe than calm.