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Social anxiety disorder: my weird story

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I can't say when it started, whether I was born this way, whether it's a case of environment or otherwise. I still haven't seen a doctor about this (not sure if I ever will), but I figure now's a good time as ever to relate my story to someone who could probably understand and add their own ideas/insights/interpretations.

I can't remember having social problems as a kid. I was always seen as somewhat weird, but I was quite outgoing and always had my own circle of friends that I related to. As hard as it is for me to acknowledge this, I was actually kind of popular even through my high school years. I was known as the class clown or the interesting creative kid, or even the goofy pothead, even though I didn't do drugs.

At about the age of 10, I stopped going outside. I can't remember why. The internet and TV seemed much more interesting. I was happy being in my own world, and not having to interact with people. This was the point where I became seriously introverted. I got a little fat (it was baby fat that puberty cleared up) and basically became a lazy nerd who sat on the computer all day. My father was very angry. He yelled at me and wanted me to play sports with other kids. I didn't want to. My mother cried at the kind of person I was becoming.

At the age of 12, my grades began to slip. The teachers called my house and complained. My mom got pretty upset. My father got even angrier. Education was everything to him, so he forced me to do math when I didn't want to. I bitched and moaned. Once, he got me so upset that I went into the bathroom and cut off all my hair. At this point, I became extremely depressed and suicidal.

In high school, my depression worsened. When I entered, I was a short chubby white kid in a school full of tall black ghetto dudes. I had my group of friends that supported me, but I felt really isolated nonetheless. I stayed home and read comics instead of going to school. Surprisingly, my grades were good because I was actually interested in the subjects this time around, and because the standards in the school were so low. I began to exhibit typical INTP behavior, especially on my walks to school (philosophical overthinking, analyzing the world, feeling too smart for my age, admiring of other intellectuals).

I wasn't particularly socially anxious in high school. Around my friends, I was outgoing, and among strangers I was kind of shy. One markable trait was that I was afraid to make eye contact. I used to think I had Asperger's. I mean I was a comic book/movie nerd with rusty social skills, so it made sense. Wasn't until recently that I knew it was S.A.D.

Jump to senior year. I began to fit society's definition of 'cool.' I was hanging out and playing sports more often than I would have ever wanted to in the past (although I still had serious coordination issues). I made a lot of friends, I did after-school shit, and I even went on a date (it ended horribly, but oh well). All in all, I was much happier than I'd ever been..

..Until college started. Everyone I knew in the past had suddenly disappeared before my eyes, as I had to adjust to this new world where I didn't know anybody. I decided not to dorm (wasn't interested, and I didn't want to waste my parents' money) so it seemed harder than ever to make friends. As if that wasn't bad enough, I was still stuck on this girl I knew from high school, so it seemed impossible to muster the confidence to get a new date. I felt more depressed than ever. I had my first panic attack on a train.

After I smoked weed (I wrote about this quite a bit in the marijuana thread), I had yet another major panic attack. So this was the point where I started getting CRAZY. This was also when I realized that I probably had social anxiety, because I was more afraid to talk to strangers than ever.

In early 2010, my family and I moved into a house for the first time. I don't know if it was a transitional thing or not, but I think I developed some sort of generalized anxiety disorder. I thought endlessly about death, I couldn't concentrate, and I thought I was even going to die at certain points. This was probably the darkest period of my life.

It got a little bit better...until the next time I smoked weed. This was when my social anxiety (and generalized anxiety, I suppose) REALLY went through the roof. I couldn't do anything. Couldn't even go outside without fearing that someone was watching me, or wanted to kill me.

And making eye contact was worse than feeling nervous or fearful...I literally felt like I COULDN'T look someone in the face without wanting to run away. It was as if my brain was sending signals and not letting me look at anyone.

In July, when I was taking a summer class in Spanish, it got so bad that I was having panic attacks in class as a regular occurrence, and sweating like a madman every time my professor even looked at me. Finally, I admitted to myself that I had a serious mental disorder, and somehow tricked my mind to get rid of it. Slowly my brain healed...and now it's exactly four months later, and I feel like I'm back to normal, with no signs of ever having another panic attack or feeling socially anxious.

Now like I said, I still don't know for sure if this was just S.A.D., or a mix of S.A.D., G.A.D., depression, and panic disorder (because when I was having panic attacks, I kept fearing and anticipating the next one). I think the simple answer is that I was just fucked up due to a number of factors, including genetics, environment, and pattern of thinking in general. Which is true, except it's too generalized. I don't know how I was fucked up.

Going to a psychiatrist or therapist at this point would seem like a waste of money, because by all means I am cured. The only problem is that I'm more confused about my true self than ever. I don't know whether I actually like things like parties and hanging out with friends, or whether having S.A.D. made me think I didn't like these things because they were so unbearable. So in a lot of ways, I'm very confused about who I am as a person. I'm not even sure I'm really INTP. Maybe I'm ENTP, or maybe some other type after all. When you have a mental disorder as severe as this one, it would probably be worth retaking the MBTI and figuring it out....even though it's probably the least important thing right now when I consider all the other things I have to start fixing in my life.
 

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You sound a lot like me, except that everything happened over a longer time span for you. I'm largely over it now, and even enjoy weed once in a while. (I guess partly to prove to myself there's nothing to be afraid of.) Although it all might come back one day, who knows.

I've always been well-liked at elementary and high school, even was a bit of a bully in the beginning of elementary, but somehow, somewhere around 9th grade I started becoming more and more anxious and introverted. I also got panic attacks from weed and alcohol.

Anxiety/depression runs in the family for me, so it's largely genetic. Coupled with an INTP personality, it gets quite messed up.

I solved it the exact same way you did. I started getting panic attacks everyday, I felt depersonalized and intensely anxious and depressed 24/7, until I just told myself it was getting way out of hand. I accepted it, let it be, and it faded over the course of about 2 months.

The weird thing is, I can appreciate alcohol and weed more and more. I'm always a bit anxious about anything psycho-active because of the panic attacks I've previously had, but yeah... I guess I've kind of accepted that you can't have control over everything in life. I still have to learn how to become less 'forced' and controlled in some social situations though.
 

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So should I try weed again? I'd like to test it again just to prove my hypothesis that my anxiety was independent of it, because I smoked weed in the past and felt fine. But on the other hand, I'm afraid that it'll just reinforce it again.
 

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That is SAD.

It even sounds as if weed worsened your condition.

Have you tried hurling yourself into social situations where no one wants you to be quiet? With alcohol I tend to give less shit about people and think of them as listeners of my mental voice. Get comfortable with awkward things to say.

I look at the ground mostly. I don't dare to look at strangers in the eyes unless I am talking to them. I force myself to do so or I just wind up being some odd guy looking at his crotch.

But played sports compulsively even though it did no good and avoided the fucking canteen. Fuck that place. Show up during lunch time and it's a hell hole. I starved because of it.
 

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Ironically I love presentations and raising my hand in class. I'm just scared of everyday chit-chat.
 

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So should I try weed again? I'd like to test it again just to prove my hypothesis that my anxiety was independent of it, because I smoked weed in the past and felt fine. But on the other hand, I'm afraid that it'll just reinforce it again.

I say you should try weed again. But just take it easy. Start off with a low dose, and only if you're really sure you're quite 'normal' again.

I smoked weed a couple of times a week for the whole summer and I was fine. I really enjoy it. I'm glad it doesn't give me panic attacks anymore. (Although I'm pretty sure if I smoked way too much again that could easily happen.)

Weed tends to bring issues you have about yourself to the surface, it's probably why we both got really anxious for a while after smoking weed. Once you get those issues out of the way it's all good though.
 

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So weed is really a healing drug when it all comes down to it. It brings to light the issues you have and forces you to solve them. Hell, maybe every time I have a problem I should just smoke weed.
 

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Panic disorder with agoraphobia? Have you tried smoking weed then wearing sunglasses when you go out? They are a great world shield.
 

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So weed is really a healing drug when it all comes down to it. It brings to light the issues you have and forces you to solve them. Hell, maybe every time I have a problem I should just smoke weed.

That seems a little drastic. You should never resort solely to psychoactives to get over problems. They might aid in the process of getting over things sometimes though, but it shouldn't be done too often. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
 

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I can relate to the difficulty of going in a university where you don’t know anybody. It took me about two years to make some good friends. I wouldn’t even come home on holidays because my parents were at wars. After this, I was sweating a lot in most social situation where strangers were involved.
I’ve also been more and more introverted with time.


I wish you to keep yourself together and “fix your life”.


But do you think it would be a waste of money to go to a therapist and do you consider smoking weed to resolve some issues? Because I hardly see how this could be a good idea.
 

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From someone with a medical degree. My advice: Stop with the weed. It feeds paranoid tendencies and anxiety, even when not under influence. It even increases the rate of schizophrenia.

Other conservative advices: Get out of the comfort zone, try small steps, try walking around the street and looking people in the eye for 2 secs (if that's hard: start with old people, ugly women,...) later try small talk with a person you see on regularly basis but don't know yet (like a baker, butcher,...), try building a regular life with routine and sufficient social interaction.

And after reading some of you guys stories I'd actually advice going to psychiatrist (not a psychologist please). There are meds out there to help with SAD. If you don't like it afer 1 session quit. No harm done. SAD leads to agorafobia by the way. Panic attacks are already a serious symptom of an anxiety disorder.

My 2 cents
Can the weed.
 

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I'm pretty good at small talk now. I'm just trying to shake the paranoia, which is going away slowly.
 

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MEDs are for losers, the only way to win is by destroying your own fear by repeatedly exposing yourself to situations which stress you. By conditioning your mind you can help yourself and build self esteem if you are lacking. By relying on MED's and Doctors you are passing the book so as not to take responsibility. If you can diagnose yourself with S.A.D then you should have the ability to make a pretty good recovery all by yourself, I know about S.A, if you let your anxiety win it will destroy you. Most people who have S.A.D are very perceptive and also hyper vigilant (not to be confused with paranoia) It is a behavioral pattern which can be broken. But it does take a lot of COURAGE. Good Luck.
 

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Wow. Deja Vu. I can really relate almost all of what you and dimensional describe in this thread. I'm over it too now for the most part but when this happened to me a couple years ago in college, I was sure I'd gone off the deep end. I did the typical INTP thing though and began a massive study of psychology to 'cure' myself.

All the advice in this thread is really helpful in my opinion. On weed - my understanding and experience has been that certain strains have the power to alleviate anxiety while others will almost certainly aggravate it. Heavy dosage/usage is something to avoid as well.

Also, don't underestimate the value of going to see a therapist (especially a Jungian one) I only went once (mostly to confirm my research and self diagnosis) and I was surprised at how much it helped to discuss all of this with an objective 3rd party.
 

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Meh fuck weed. I get anxiety and paranoia from it nowadays and you know what I do? I don't smoke it. You want to solve problems, psilocybin or MDMA. Or just say fuck drugs all together, go to the gym, eat healthier, take better care of yourself, practice meditation/breathing exercises, and slowly face your demons. Don't be too proud to go see a psychologist either, if only to talk to another person about it.
 

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This must be an INTP right of passage or something. I had no idea it was so common.

Regarding your preoccupation with death--how did you get rid of it? It's something that I keep being tortured by. I say tortured because just being constantly aware that you'll eventually die does a lot to reduce how much you can feel satisfied by any given thing or moment since you'll always view it in the context of lifetime achievement.
 

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This must be an INTP right of passage or something. I had no idea it was so common.

lol

Regarding your preoccupation with death--how did you get rid of it? It's something that I keep being tortured by. I say tortured because just being constantly aware that you'll eventually die does a lot to reduce how much you can feel satisfied by any given thing or moment since you'll always view it in the context of lifetime achievement.

I came to the conclusion that this life is all there is, and it's a waste of time to consider the unlikely alternatives. In my own torment, I looked up countless articles about cryogenic freezing, and explored all the religious/spiritual answers that really didn't bring me any further comfort than it usually did.

See, your intuition is good because it enhances your creativity and offers a much brighter inner world, but on the flipside it brings nothing but nightmares if all you do is think too far into the future and try to measure out your life in terms of achievements rather than what it really is: a brief glimpse into the universe before you as an organism eventually decay, and (if you reproduce) make room for a mind or a set of minds hopefully similar to yourself.

When I considered how short life truly is, what's the point of stressing about it? Just enjoy it. You have this great gift of abstract thought, so why waste it on the eternal question that will only make you more anxious and miserable? Use it to improve humanity in some way. Even if you use it to help someone close to you, that could make a profound difference in and of itself. When you use it to ponder the existential questions, the result can be beneficial, but you also risk depressing others rather than truly helping them.

As Epicirus said, "When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not." Imagine, all this time fearing something that eventually won't make a difference when it comes, because you simply won't be there to dread it.
 

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See, your intuition is good because it enhances your creativity and offers a much brighter inner world, but on the flipside it brings nothing but nightmares if all you do is think too far into the future

Yeah that makes alot of sense - Jung theorizes in his papers that neuroses like anxiety might be caused by an imbalance; usually too great a reliance on a dominant function (our iNtuitive.) So that when we suppress or neglect our shadow functions too much (Sensing and maybe Feeling in our case), they lash out at the ego; sometimes in the form of anxiety.

He says you can remedy this by "paying tribute" to your shadow. From what I understand, that means paying recognition to the denied aspect of the personality in some way and generally being more conscious of your unconscious happenings.

death is kind of a mind trap for us because it can be viewed as the ultimate theoretical problem. When in reality, the problem is mainly the fear of it, which is a very 'F' thing to try and control for us.

I think learning to meditate helps alot with this because you start to become more sophisticated at choosing your thoughts and controlling where your mind goes.
 

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I have general anxiety, and around the same time as yourself it got to the point where I could not function in life. Which frankly sounds like you are close to, or are at. The only thing that helped me was medication. It changed my life. It is not a cure all, but it allows me to at least function. Don't be so quick to dismiss medication and tough it out. I am not sure I ever realized how fucked up I was until I was put on medication.
 
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