So you think you can type? (The Greatest Game)

[Lyra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnSWVseo4c

 

[Lyra]

@Auburn @EyeSeeCold @Words @Decaf @PhoenixRising @Anarkandi @nanook @own8ge @scorpiomover @Architect

Step up or give up.

 

[Puffy]

Best of luck not getting banned for this, unless you already asked an admin or something.

(Why didn't you just PM the people you've highlighted? Is the game/ video responses happening in this thread?)

 

[Lyra]

Well, it was my impression the mods were tired of the same old convo. This is something new and there's really not much to talk about unless you're going to step up. If my impression was mistaken and the forum is solemnly dedicated to only allowing myriad same-old dull/useless threads about 'Am I INTP or INTJ, I'm disorganized but I also like thinking I'm a strategic mastermind' then I guess they can lock it/trash it or whatever.

 

[Lyra]

First 5 samples:

herwretchedlove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9OPZ43Fx8&list=UU5wBmBjr2B6Ys0hDZTKR71Q&index=1
Jennifer1234styles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRrOknTYU8
BritBliss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ2XAaSQeD4
Strengthcamp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1kY33AhHE
tannah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcT6wmiQUA
http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=h...ktaS9YZ0g-iTRncl8MTM1NTkzMDc1OUAxMzU1ODQ0MzU5

 

[Minuend]

I, Minuend, hereby challenge pod'lair to type these individuals and send me their analysis. I will score them. Then we can decide once and for all whether pod'lair know how to type.

Same thing.

 

[Lyra]

Sure. But be prepared to argue/backup your case, and to have it on record for thorough analysis. And, if you (not you specifically) don't present your case, for it to be clear that you're not confident enough in your reads/position to actually apply it. Most 'experts' have very few reads out on living individuals.

Note that Adymus covered this in the video. Back and forth/challenging the challenge is expected. But you really don't get to play or make any claims unless you take a stance/present a case in a refutable/challengeable way.

 

[InvisibleJim]

Someone please break down this correlation vs causation malady for my small (non-hero) brain.

 

[Lyra]

You're misusing those terms. They just aren't relevant in this context.

 

[Auburn]

Well this is very clearly a taunt. A tactic that generally doesn't work after fourth grade. I agree with Minuend though, that the rule-of-measure could as easily be our own reads as podlair's. But Valkyrie enjoys these games... I can narrow these down to two possible types with just these videos as footage, but I'll decide on one [the bold] for the sake of comparison.

Herwretchedlove:
clear explorer-lead eyes (perked)
clear explorer-lead energy (momentum)
unclear Ne buoyancy
Te-matter-of-fact-ness
Fi barrier
Type: NeFi

Jennifer1234styles:
clear Ni/Se eyes.
clear perception-lead (eye-centric face)
clear Te dry-cold articulation
Either: NiTe (with Se vanity, or NiFe)

BritBliss:
clear discernment-lead (face-centric, eyes deflect)
clear Ni/Se eyes (penetrative stare)
mostly clear articulator-lead
unclear Te matter-of-factness
Either: TeNi (or FeNi)

Strengthcamp:
super clear Ni/Se eyes (hardcore prenetration)
super clear Fe/Ti energy (meticulous+emotive)
super clear objective-lead
Either: FeNi (or SeTi)

tannah:
super clear explorer-lead
super clear buoyancy
clear Te/Fi user
Type: NeFi

jessicacardashin1:
clear Fi sorrow
clear Ne energy/movement
clear adaptive
pretty clear explorer-lead
Type: NeFi


TheTransparentlight:
Ti/Fe user
pretty-clear compass-lead (Ti)
Ni/Se eyes, lots of Ni drifting
Type: TiSe

PeenieBrown:
clear explorer-lead
Ne/Si style memory-recall
Ti/Fe meticulous articulation
Type: NeTi

makemebad35:
zomg so much friggin explorer momentum
very Ne-heavy Ne-lead
can't tell apart discernment functions too well from these videos
since he proxies everything and major-edits his vids. but it believe its Fi.
Either: NeFi (or NeTi)

dharmark2012:
Type: SeFi

Amber Rose Gallagher:
sassy Te/Fi
articulator-lead (+face-centric)
Ne naivete in eyes
Type: TeSi

clothesencounters:
Type: SeTi

otherjuicystar07:
super sassy Te/Fi
super momentum Se
super talkative avalanching flat-energy Te
Type: SeFi

StudyGuys:
immediately visible Worldview-eyes
Ni worldview eyes
Fe articulation
quite obviously..
Type: NiFe


JeanetteLucia:
not enough video time
no other vids available, plus
she is advertisting/acting. but if i was
forced to make a call i'd roughly estimate..
Type: SeTi

LiveVisionZ:
perma-perked Se eyes
eye-centric, perception-lead
meticulous speech, warming articulation (Fe/Ti)
Type: SeTi

womanwithboobs:
discernment body
discernment-lead face
natural flow articulation
Ni/Se eyes. Se seems above Ni?
semi-clear rational-lead. (lacking more footage)
Either: TiSe, TeNi or FeNi

.

 

[Lyra]

The rest of the samples are in the description of the youtube video, Auburn. You don't need to wait for me to post them to this thread. You can send in your full list of answers as described in the video if you'd like.

You (@Auburn) can call it a taunt if you'd like. We're tired of the empty words and want people to prove their case, and at least make a case. @Anarkandi has mass plagiarised/stolen our sample lists on his website and claims he can read, you're still talking, and many others are running businesses on the basis of their claimed authority without presenting reads publicly.

 

[own8ge]

@Auburn
I'm sorry, but you suck.

 

[Lyra]

Unfortunately true. But you probably do as well*. I guess we'll see!

*You read Adymus as NiFe... lol.

**Own8ge says he's submitting answers, by the way.

 

[NoID10ts]

I can type like ... fifteen words per minute. Does this mean I win the Game?

 

[Puffy]

I can type like ... fifteen words per minute. Does this mean I win the Game?

@NoID10ts Wow... That novel was.... dedication.

(I have read a few chapters, workload took over - did you name one of the disciples after me or was that pure accident? )

 

[TriflinThomas]

Best of luck not getting banned for this, unless you already asked an admin or something.

(Why didn't you just PM the people you've highlighted? Is the game/ video responses happening in this thread?)

why would they get banned?

 

[NoID10ts]

@NoID10ts Wow... That novel was.... dedication.

(I have read a few chapters, workload took over - did you name one of the disciples after me or was that pure accident? )

Perhaps subliminally? I remember musing over that in my mind when I sent it to you. The novel sucks ass, though. I realize that now. I haven't given up on it, but I'm writing the first draft of a second novel first, and then I'll go back to the rewrites of this one.

 

[tikru]

I can type like ... fifteen words per minute. Does this mean I win the Game?

You don't even know what the game is, man. Stop pretending!

"You think you know, but you have no idea." - MTV's The Real World

 

[NoID10ts]

It's a typing game. It's right there in the title. DUH!!!

^ That took me forty-six seconds to type.

^ Thirty-two seconds.

^ Minute thirty-four (because of typos)

Now my carpal tunnel is acting up so I'll stop.

 

[Puffy]

why would they get banned?

A mod mentioned in a different thread that any future pod'lair threads would be closed.

I meant the post jokingly though.

 

[BigApplePi]

Lyra. Great idea. Sounds like fun. I didn't quite get the scoring or what the results would mean. Is Pod'Lair going to be the standard for the "right" answers? Maybe I missed it.

 

[Lyra]

Lyra. Great idea. Sounds like fun. I didn't quite get the scoring or what the results would mean. Is Pod'Lair going to be the standard for the "right" answers? Maybe I missed it.

1) Most people don't even present a case or back up their crowd-pleasing MBTI nu-astrology with solid reads.
2) We're saying they either step up and play or have nothing. Are charlatans and nonstarters.
3) We will grade submissions in accordance with the falsifiably justifed criteria presented on MRR.
4) Dispute of this criteria and our gradings etc. is expected, and we welcome the chance to stop talking random bullshit with people who haven't even tried to read and get down to demonstrating how well/consistently we can read people, and how terribly pretty much everyone else does.
5) The point is taking the debate to the next level and weeding out MBTIers/Pod'Lair ripoffs (like Erik Thor, who is peddling our info and reads on his site and saying he can read) who act like they can read people but can't step up. Getting the debate to be about the evidence-- the people themselves-- and who can make sense of it the best. Instead of empty, mundane rhetoric whose only standard is popularity or who can most convincingy adopt some currently pleb-respected Mah'zute (ala NFGeeks, PHY or prior threads here and elsewhere).
6) Why the fuck did you make me write this it was all in the video you're doing the same you did with Proxy oh well I guess that's just what you do.

 

[Lyra]

Second 5:

JessicaKardashian1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sBvG5r5p_Y
TheTransparentlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR6h2Xr3mg0
PeenieBrown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL5PKQLXN1Y
makemebad35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Xgg0xY7aE
dharmak2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIBCiP9sOyQ

 

[Melkor]

Oh gosh.

I can't stand listening to someone with such a grating voice...
Sadly I'll never know what it's all about.

Such is the life of the fickle!

 

[BigApplePi]

Why the &#*@ did you make me write this ... I guess that's just what you do.

Thank you for your response. Appreciated. What I do sometimes is catch the details if one misses something ... you know ... the butterfly effect. Besides you volunteered ... odd you'd believe I'd control you when that's the last thing I could do. You are free as a butterfly.

 

[cheese]

First off, I *don't* think I can type. I have a few ideas, most of them podlair's, but I don't have much confidence in most of my reads (though I do in some of them). I would like to be involved in this discussion though.

Unless the person is really 'obvious' somehow, I often find it hard to get a handle on them. A lot of people just blur into 'normal people'. Others stand out more. I'm not sure why. It's also hard when I really like/dislike the person. I get distracted by the emotional interaction and can't pay attention to things unless they're obvious. I know my reactions are part of the data too.

*edit
Podlair comment on their video:
"You will notice that some are more interesting to you than others. It will be easier to read the ones that you find interesting. However, there is the other side, of finding them too interesting...it is an artful to keep in the ideal head space"
--- Yep!

First round:

Spoiler

The first two girls I didn't like too much. The third girl, I really liked. All of that was very distracting.

First girl seemed Ne-ish. The way she talks reminds me of Jenna Marbles (youtube user), who's ENTP I think. I think it's the Ne I'm hearing. Playing with the pitches and putting in unnecessary energy. Her face looks a bit like meekakitty (youtube user and also ENTP iirc - podlair read). She also reminds me of a couple of american girls I knew a long time ago. All these Ne dom girls seem to really like experimenting with makeup and clothes and cutesy things. Marbles has a more fratboy vibe though.
Actually, she also reminds me a little bit of Jordan from Scrubs, just in the voice a little from one specific scene. IIRC, Christa Miller was read as INTJ (though previously, another podlair user told me she was ENFP).

Second girl seemed to have a kind of bitchiness which I associate with Te-Fi, but I'm not sure. (Ti-Fe has a different kind of bitchiness.) I find her hard to focus on because she doesn't give much. It's mostly flirting at the camera.

Third girl just seemed really down-to-earth and genuine. She also reminded me of a couple of old friends, both of them with a slight bitchy vibe. There's a little thing they do with their eyes, where they close them slowly and then open them in a different direction. It's like they're trying to nastily tell you they're blocking you out.
Her face is also comfortably dead. Pretty much all the expression is in her voice, which is surprisingly modulated. But that could just be an American female thing.

Both the guys were very likeable. The first guy has what seems to be really obvious Ni-Se eyes. He's also got really strong Articulation/Dynamics (Te/Fe). Not sure which. He has very obvious 'sell' moments, which makes me think Dynamics (Te/Fe) might come after Worldview (Ni/Si). He sort of drops in and out of those sell/push moments. Though he could just be unsure of what he's about to say. So some mix of Ni-Se, though I'm not sure if he uses Fe or Te.

Second guy has pretty obvious Ne, I think. I would guess an NP type. He's like a comfortable cushion of good humour.

Both guys sway a lot. Perception lead?

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Out of all of them, britbliss engaged most directly with the audience. Both guys were close seconds. The first two girls are both performing.

Second round:

Spoiler

JessicaKardashian looks really held back, like she really keeps to herself. In fact, it looks like she's surrounded by a cylindrical force-field. A tower! I would guess she's Compass lead (Ti/Fi) with Ne. INxP. She seems stuck inside the force field while her eyes move about creepily. The rhythm of her speech is quite funny, she sort of accelerates towards a point and then backs off rapidly. Stop-start. It's like she keeps getting distracted by her thoughts and has to get them out and quickly move on the next one before she forgets, then return from all those needless tangents to the main point. I relate to that. It's a Ne thing, I think. You bounce off things you're saying and have to drag yourself back.
No particular reaction to her, but some of her expressions look quite familiar.

I think the second girl is a Ti-Fe user. I think she's also a Ne-Si user. I would guess INTP, but I'm not very sure about her at all, these are just hunches based on a few things. Again, no particular reaction. Some familiarity. Maybe she's INFJ, I don't know. The Ti-Fe seems clearer than the Ne-Si. She cools when 'going in'/looking to the right, and warms when coming out. She also has a way of speaking that is very familiar to me - sort of drones on, making lists of words to more precisely explain something, and it doesn't seem to take much effort or thought. In fact, she often seems to be thinking of what else to say while her mouth keeps detachedly spilling out the stored-up words/thoughts. Also a bunch more small mannerisms that I recognise.
The Ne-Si was based on eye movements.

Wow, the third girl's a real space cadet. Hahaha.
Ok, her energy seems all over the place, and there doesn't seem to be any 'centre' in her. It's like everything in her is dispersed. Her eyes look really unfocused too. I think she's a Ne dom. Swaying, random/abrupt moves. She keeps getting lost in her head too (Si, I think) and then *popping* back out. I don't think it's Ni, even though it looks somewhat dreamy - the dreaminess is just her own.
She's really similar to me, in terms of mannerisms. Wow, running over the timebar (timebar?) with the mouse, where you get to see tiny pictures (IT fail), I get to see the flow in her movements a lot better and faster, and it's really like me.
Maybe xNTP?
(Looking over Auburn's comments - yes! Ne-Si memory recall. That's it.)

This guy is very energetic but it seems to have more 'centre' than Ne energy, but I'll just look a bit more...
He kinda reminds me of Ryan Reynolds and also another youtube guy, both of whom podlair typed as FeNi I think.
So I'll go with Ni-Se for now. I'm not sure. His eyes seem a bit dead.

I find the last woman hard to focus on. She feels covered in female memes.
I think she's an F of some sort.
She's too hard for me to focus on. (Maybe I'll come back later.) Lots of familiarity though - I've seen this around a fair bit.

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Out of all of them, both 'out of body' girls engaged most directly with the audience. The kardashian girl was too far away, the boy was a performer and the last lady seemed like she was regurgitating a lot of behavioural cliches (she also seemed nice though).

When do we get answers?!

 

[crippli]

Spoiler

#1 ENTP
What cheese said, only that I like her, Can't believe I watched about 3/4 of that video. Reminds me of myself, if I had been more fluffy and creative.
#2 ESFJ- decides quickly, concrete, emotional, horny
#3, INFJ - imaginative, abstract, good mom, Say I many times.
#4, ESTP - body language, looks to be on steroids
#5 ESFP - average nice guy, good dad.

Spoiler

Did I get it right? And I doubt I can do 50. I am already exhausted.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm not sure why you mentioned me. You know I don't take Pod'Lair seriously.


This is just another theatrical distraction, a talent show.

 

[Architect]

I have no doubt that PL can type people according to it's own definition, and that the definition has a correspondence to MBTI. My main question is whether PL has more to offer me than the well established and developed MBTI system which has already proven itself and given so much. And those wares have to be available in an intellectually satisfying manner, with no leaps of faith or secret indoctrinations necessary.

 

[BigApplePi]

You know I don't take Pod'Lair seriously.

I'm interested in what's to be taken seriously and what can be dismissed. This

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jDh61Z-e2g&list=PLEA0FDB2B2F127C92&index=1

person takes Pod'Lair seriously. Shouldn't I? Since I believe it's said it's not for everyone, who is it for?

 

[Lyra]

@EyeSeeCold irrelevant. Your words aren't worth being taken seriously if you can't do this/present a case in terms of this.
@Architect none are necessary. You've assumed they are because of the aesthetic and because of lack of research. MRR presents the info you need to test it for yourself and at no time removes your rational or critical faculties/abilities to judge the results of actually engaging in that process. Actually engaging in that process reveals the relative gross inadequacy of MBTI.

 

[BigApplePi]

I thought I would comment on Adymus's video ... for no other reason than they are reactions I put out publicly. If they were evil or destructive, I would think twice about saying anything. If they were good or positive, well who is judging that?

Adymus is putting out a game. It seems to make sense. Sounds like fun, both to see results and to play. One takes a measure of people. That would give it value. When I heard, "fifty" that sounded like a lot. Four minutes times fifty = over two hours. Maybe ten would be better. Fifty times all the people who send in results ... sounds like a lot of work.

He said, "random" from the internet. I'm sure he didn't mean random random. How would he do that? How would he avoid bias? Oh well. I'd have to take his word.

What are the standards for measuring results? I played his video again and didn't get that. He says Pod'Lair is very accurate. That I've heard Pod'Lairists say before. Did he mean "accurate" or consistent? He could get consistent results and not* be accurate. Note that the results I've seen so far in some cases are firm and definitive, but mostly are not. That almost immediately will declare Pod'Lair the "winner." Strange. Pod'Liarists will declare themselves accurate readers. But what have they read?

BTW I'm impressed with how confident and forceful Adymus is presenting this.
___________________________________
*For example, everyone would agree (see how I speak for everyone) that the Connecticut shootings were horrible. But what if the world response was such that such shooting rarely if ever happened again? Wouldn't that be a good thing? Oh well. I suppose that analogy is a bad one. I'll shut up now.

 

[Lyra]

@cheese you didn't like herwretchedlove? I found her incredibly attractive. Mari Antoinette/Cultured Lady of the Night () riff of a kind I've had more than my fair share of dealings with. Reminds me of 'The Woman' from Sherlock. Makes me wary 'cos I know how hard I fall for girls like her.

Anyway, can't go giving away answers...

 

[Puffy]

@cheese you didn't like herwretchedlove? I found her incredibly attractive. Mari Antoinette/Cultured Lady of the Night () riff of a kind I've had more than my fair share of dealings with. Reminds me of 'The Woman' from Sherlock. Makes me wary 'cos I know how hare I fall for girls like her.

Anyway, can't go giving away answers...

Sooo... ENFP

 

[Lyra]

Who said I'd only fallen for Nyy'xai ?

I guess we'll see...

p.s. I just realised what a beautiful figure of speech 'fallen for' is, and how much it says...

 

[Puffy]

Just a guess, based on some of your recent 'Dark Materials' posts. <-- Blind guess. <-- Hazardous guess.

edit: You identify as Nai'xyy and pod'lair preaches that Nyy'xai are their ideal partners as well.

 

[Lyra]

It doesn't preach that, it sees that. But poisons can be sweet. I know Nai'xyy who pilfered lives trying to sync up with Zai'nyy and never quite making it and... and... life's complex!

But you mean this girl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRwnOwOpYA

Quite something...

 

[Puffy]

Yep, that's the one. Nice voice. Can't comment otherwise - people are a mixed bag of guts and things. If there's a positive energy I presume you're on to a good thing.

 

[Architect]

none are necessary. You've assumed they are because of the aesthetic and because of lack of research. MRR presents the info you need to test it for yourself and at no time removes your rational or critical faculties/abilities to judge the results of actually engaging in that process. Actually engaging in that process reveals the relative gross inadequacy of MBTI.

@Lyra

In another thread I understood that to understand PL you have to have some quasi leap - I thought you said this, but I could be mistaken as PLarians tend to not speak plainly. However all the articles and videos I've seen so far from PL are unclear. The articles on your site are mostly fluff, and the videos I've seen are indoctrinal. Certainly the one that Thomas where he starts off by trying to convince us of his superiority. This is the classic first step which is to establish the credibility of the guru.

Lack of research is fine by me, most theories start out with none or little. What I'd really like is a piece, written in plain language, describing the theory. At any rate I'll watch one or more of these new videos later today and let you know how it goes.

 

[cheese]

cheese, you didn't like herwretchedlove?

I didn't dislike her specifically, just found the video a bit trying, and I didn't feel much of her was coming through. And her 'games' seemed a bit old as well. She seems quite nice though; I'd probably like her in person.

I found her incredibly attractive. Mari Antoinette/Cultured Lady of the Night () riff of a kind I've had more than my fair share of dealings with. Reminds me of 'The Woman' from Sherlock. Makes me wary 'cos I know how hard I fall for girls like her.

Anyway, can't go giving away answers...

Aha! She must be ENFP!

*happy dance*

*edit
Oh damn you Puffy, you got in first.

Well Lyra, I'd guess ENFP because you said you fall "hard" for "girls like her". I wouldn't say you only fall for ENFPs, but they do seem to be the main attraction, and the most dangerous/frequent one.

To most guys, actually.

Plus, inspirational pairing!

 

[BigApplePi]

Type Comparison

@Architect.

My main question is whether PL has more to offer me than the well established and developed MBTI system which has already proven itself and given so much. And those wares have to be available in an intellectually satisfying manner, with no leaps of faith or secret* indoctrinations necessary.

A question well brought up.

A video is a non-interactive unchanging short-span visual observation. MBTI judgments may be mostly or even completely non-visual and are made by experiencing the person over a longer period of time. Who can judge better? Who do you want to judge better: someone you've known over a period of time or a stranger on a video? And what about non-video visuals? What can Adymus do if he meets a person in person, doesn't judge, goes home to review and then forms a judgment? If he doesn't have a photographic memory, what will be his impression?

*Eventually I would think all the typing techniques will be leak out and be summarized. Isn't Auburn already working on this?

 

[Oblivious]

What I'd really like is a piece, written in plain language, describing the theory.

Seconded. In fact, why should the literature be anything but this?

 

[Lyra]

@Lyra

In another thread I understood that to understand PL you have to have some quasi leap - I thought you said this, but I could be mistaken as PLarians tend to not speak plainly. However all the articles and videos I've seen so far from PL are unclear. The articles on your site are mostly fluff, and the videos I've seen are indoctrinal. Certainly the one that Thomas where he starts off by trying to convince us of his superiority. This is the classic first step which is to establish the credibility of the guru.

Lack of research is fine by me, most theories start out with none or little. What I'd really like is a piece, written in plain language, describing the theory. At any rate I'll watch one or more of these new videos later today and let you know how it goes.

I see what the problem is.

Look, this is probably the most important thing I can say about Pod'Lair-- I fully sympathise with it seeming like gibberish or endless incomprehensible acronyms or an off-putting attempt at some new religion before the key point is engaged with.

That key point is Reading. We do a good job of giving info that can make sense of it in the best way available. Far beyond anything else. But we can't simplify beyond what is actually there. We are always referring to that and what is there to be seen, and the apparent complexity of our language/presentation etc. is because we are constrained by that and the distinctions necessary to it as a predictively useful/accurate activity.

It is very easy, if you know what you're doing, to quickly garner a stupid following with some facile doctrine. We're not doing that. We are presenting what is there because of how important it seems when engaged with and we are enacting what we see as its implications.

Before a person has really paid heed to that Pod'Lair probably comes across as bizarre. Without it they try to come up with all kinds of totally off explanations of our behavior. And without us presenting what we have as we have, they wouldn't be able/be likely to try to make sense of it in the right way at all. The difference between me and y'all here on INTPf is that the very first thing I did when I heard about Pod'Lair was try on the lens to see if what they were saying worked out, whereas everybody here just projected endless realms of bullshit without even taking that first step.

What we are interested in is people not so colossally incompetent and arrogant that they think their current way of perceiving etc. has some writ in stone falsifiable basis/coherency and that things are in a good enough state that such an answer presented as such shouldn't at least be considered on its own terms. We present as we do because it is in a very simple sense incredibly stupid and mindless to react to some new and not understood phenomena with the various and incoherent attempts at projective/assumption-based explanation/rejection that the automata here and elsewhere have put forwards just to justify/continue in their own incompetent habits of perception. If there are few who aren't that mind-bogglingly worthlessly idiotic, there are few, and we'll present for them. We are not interested in the stupid/large following it would be so easy to create with so simple formulaic panderings to the credulous stupidity which affects the vast majority of humans. We are in this for the truth of the matter, and that is the only way our behavior, given the caliber of individuals and level of intensity and mode of presentation involved, makes sense.

Which is really one of the points of this challenge. We know that when the endless, stupid talk falls away we'll come out as the stronger position. We know that when people engage their lenses and drop the constraining assumptions (experimentally, without surrendering reason/critical analysis) our position comes out as unprecedentedly justified and relevant and etc. etc. We also know people have a seemingly infinite propensity for useless, deluded talk in accordance with whatever the bullshit assumed-to-be-justified mores and Mah'zutes of the time are. We want to just invalidate the incompetent morons who won't engage with what matters, the symbiosis of subjective exporation and objective analysis that is relevant, in one fell swoop-- and to focus all of our energies on those whose first reaction is to look and see. To explore and then consider. Not to ridiculously overestimate and project the worthiness of their own present stupidity, their own present subjectivity, their own present symbiosis between it and rationality.

That is my final word on the matter. You are all so incredibly incompetent and moronic I honestly am ashamed to associate with you as members of the same species. Back to the challenge. Engage or I have nothing more to say to you on the subject, and anybody who is actually approaching this as it deserves would do far better not to waste their relatively immensely valuable time on the utterances of such presumptuous, credulous, authority-brownnosing disgraces to the potential of the human race.

 

[Oblivious]

Look, this is probably the most important thing I can say about Pod'Lair-- I fully sympathise with it seeming like gibberish or endless incomprehensible acronyms or an off-putting attempt at some new religion before the key point is engaged with.

What is the objective of this presentation? Has it been helping you to achieve your goals? What are these goals?

 

[cheese]

The difference between me and y'all here on INTPf is that the very first thing I did when I heard about Pod'Lair was try on the lens to see if what they were saying worked out, whereas everybody here just projected endless realms of bullshit without even taking that first step.

Actually, that's not true. Back when they were first starting out here, a bunch of people were receptive and eager to try it out. We even started one or two group typing threads, with Adymus helping/encouraging us. The response was generally positive. Some read as much info on the site as they could. People discussed it in private, positively. Of course there was a bunch of negativity as well, but there was an enthusiastic group 'trying on the lens', exploring the theory without rejecting it. Later when PL got hostile, the forum got more hostile in return. PL was probably responding to already-present hostile elements, and alienated most of the people who were genuinely interested.

This is fresh in my mind because I was looking over the old threads recently. It struck me just how different they came across compared to how PL claims history occurred.

Also some of the members *did* actually join PL, way back when.

 

[Oblivious]

This is fresh in my mind because I was looking over the old threads recently. It struck me just how different they came across compared to how PL claims history occurred.

Yeah I remember the facial identification thread that was actually pretty interesting.

 

[crippli]

Well. We will see. I am certainly interested to hear the reasoning why herwretchedlove is F. Then I will make my judgment call.

I do suspect, or rather quite sure, PL is better for superficial typings like these, it certainly should be, if it isn't.....

 

[Lyra]

Actually, that's not true. Back when they were first starting out here, a bunch of people were receptive and eager to try it out. We even started one or two group typing threads, with Adymus helping/encouraging us. The response was generally positive. Some read as much info on the site as they could. People discussed it in private, positively. Of course there was a bunch of negativity as well, but there was an enthusiastic group 'trying on the lens', exploring the theory without rejecting it. Later when PL got hostile, the forum got more hostile in return. PL was probably responding to already-present hostile elements, and alienated most of the people who were genuinely interested.

This is fresh in my mind because I was looking over the old threads recently. It struck me just how different they came across compared to how PL claims history occurred.

Also some of the members *did* actually join PL, way back when.

So what we have here are basically cowards and incompetents. People who either didn't put enough time into reading* and/or who, like Auburn (and even more so Erik Thor, who was afraid for his desired political career), were terrified of stepping outside of the respectable positions/roles that fully considering/realising the extent of the phenomena and its implications involved.

Granted my narrative above doesn't apply equally to each and every case, and is more in response to recent threads than older ones, but it does apply to the vast majority of reactions. The way older interest translated into the eventual reaction it did is also telling as to why present presentation is necessary. We filter for those willing to take the flak and apply the implications if they are seen to be implied, culling out the cowards who see a little, blink**, and then just go on cogging up the state-stupid machine. We want those rare few who have both the integrity to follow through on reasoned conclusions, and the perspicacity to seek the source of a behaviour/position before reacting to it/cogging/roboting.

That clarified, there really should be nothing more to say. Engage with us on the reads, or after reading, or you won't be engaged with on the subject. Every other tiresome circle has been run far too many times.

--
*After the initial yield in insight/scent of the phenomenon, which should be motivation enough to anybody with a basic level of curiosity and integrity of thought.
**'Nietzsche said that the society of the last man would be too barren to support the growth of great individuals. The last man is possible only by mankind's having bred an apathetic creature who has no great passion or commitment, who is unable to dream, who merely earns his living and keeps warm. The last men claim to have discovered happiness, but blink every time they say so.'
***@cheese etc.

 

[BigApplePi]

Lyra. Lyra. Every time you run it you increase the chances of new recruits. But then ah ain't gonna change you. You NaiXyy's are incredible! I hope this ZaiNyy ain't giving INTP's too bad a name.

 

[Words]

Sorry bud. Loss interest in typing random folks and typing methods in general. My current methods are good enough, and I really only need myself and my own reasoning as arbiter. And Podlair is well....it's been repeatedly mentioned. Also, why so serious?

Yeah I remember the facial identification thread that was actually pretty interesting.

This is basically a repeat of that. :/