Art-Toyon-Aga
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What do you think my secondary type is based off this introductory video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKvH8pQn5A&feature=plcp ?
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Systems
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INFP makes more sense for me too, though I would by no means discount INTP. As for secondary type?
Why would you have a secondary type? If it's to help you identifying with parts of yourself that you do not feel are contained within the type descriptions of your "primary" type, then you shouldn't really concern yourself with that. You are certainly allowed to grow beyond the stereotypes of the mbti descriptions.
From a theoretical point of view, however, secondary type is meaningless nonsense.
Why would you have a secondary type? If it's to help you identifying with parts of yourself that you do not feel are contained within the type descriptions of your "primary" type, then you shouldn't really concern yourself with that. You are certainly allowed to grow beyond the stereotypes of the mbti descriptions.
From a theoretical point of view, however, secondary type is meaningless nonsense.
nanook
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@Art-Toyon-Aga
i'm a bit scared of you, but i am quite fascinated. ^-
i barely dare to offend you with my associations ... but
your first type is U.G. Krishnamurti (he relaxes into his Ni-shadow: Se)
your second type is sir roger penrose (he pushes his Te)
and your third type is michael jackson. (he pushes his aux-shadow Fi , rendering him fake esfp)
ps: your Ni and your Te should have sex. christ will come.
i might add Ezra Miller, though we don't know his real life self.
his character kevin (we need to talk about ..) is very much Ni dominant.
he just can't accept mundane reality....
and doesn't even really understand why.
which is typical for young Ni doms.
aux Je doesn't help with understanding Ni, it just violently balances the deepest most un-graspable subjectivity with cold objectivity, rendering us rather schizophrenic. (same for aux Fe) - (yeah, sorry, not the least neurotic type, just most curiously neurotic)
i reserve the right to not know what i am talking about
(Ni needs to remain free from the conceptual crap)
peace ♥
i'm a bit scared of you, but i am quite fascinated. ^-
i barely dare to offend you with my associations ... but
your first type is U.G. Krishnamurti (he relaxes into his Ni-shadow: Se)
your second type is sir roger penrose (he pushes his Te)
and your third type is michael jackson. (he pushes his aux-shadow Fi , rendering him fake esfp)
ps: your Ni and your Te should have sex. christ will come.
i might add Ezra Miller, though we don't know his real life self.
his character kevin (we need to talk about ..) is very much Ni dominant.
he just can't accept mundane reality....
and doesn't even really understand why.
which is typical for young Ni doms.
aux Je doesn't help with understanding Ni, it just violently balances the deepest most un-graspable subjectivity with cold objectivity, rendering us rather schizophrenic. (same for aux Fe) - (yeah, sorry, not the least neurotic type, just most curiously neurotic)
i reserve the right to not know what i am talking about
(Ni needs to remain free from the conceptual crap)
peace ♥
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I'm not seeing a Ti dominant here, much more likely a Fi (or less likely Fe). At your age we start to try and integrate our inferior, and so you probably have thinking in the inferior position and are mistakenly seeing it as a dominant, a common error. I did so at that age, actually thought I was an INFJ.
As for S vs N, that orientation has to do with time. Sensors orient to the present and past, Intuitives orient toward the future. It has nothing to do with imagination. You could well be an S also, but if you were an N I would guess INFP.
Having a secondary type is like having a secondary sex. As long as you don't have a penis anywhere on your body I think you can safely assume you have a single type, INFP seems likely to me.
As for S vs N, that orientation has to do with time. Sensors orient to the present and past, Intuitives orient toward the future. It has nothing to do with imagination. You could well be an S also, but if you were an N I would guess INFP.
Having a secondary type is like having a secondary sex. As long as you don't have a penis anywhere on your body I think you can safely assume you have a single type, INFP seems likely to me.
Jennywocky
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Well, we definitely know there is not one stuck to her forehead.
Or her left big toe (or she'd need a bigger shoe).
More seriously, to agree, I think the type framework is flexible enough with function analysis to not need secondary types, which I think develeped when people don't conform to a particular stereotype of one of the normal sixteen. (I think what looks to be trityped tritypes in Enneagram are a bit silly too.)
nanook
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PiJe types explore unique perspectives, synthesize own irrational material (also read the irrational out of rational presentations) and translate this synthesis of irrationality into rational frameworks and communicate them. (a PiFe "framework" is not a theory, but a way of being together). they have the deep understanding of why a concept is the way it is (how it is anchored in the irrational) and the freedom to modify it, when the underlying situation (irrational reality) has shifted. they are bothered by unjustified concepts, such as arbitrary clusters of random data.
PiJe types are about ideation and conception.
the craving for ideation is what makes us P archetypes.
they don't have a say in society, because they always exude "i don't really know, much more research is needed." to them, "knowing" implies being god.
JiPe types are people who adopt many concepts and who can apply them, they use a meta-methodology to handle different concepts. they synthesize rational material in creative manner (can also be poetic, if Fi). more and more theory building (or story building, if Fi). they don't have to understand how the concepts are originated in the territory (the ideation), in order to have a good understanding of HOW the concepts can be put to use. they are not bothered by random concepts, reflecting random statistically clusters, they feel empowered.
JiPe types are about conception and resolution.
the readynes for "resolution" is what makes them J archetypes.
they have the say in society. society has a wish (fe shadow). they say we do this now and we do it like that!
if you get your whole understanding of typology out of reading more and more articles about it, you are either a total noob or the latter type. and you readily keep copy-pasting typological theory in professional style, without craving confirmation for them in the territory and society keeps listening to you: yeah, that sounds well thought out, we will do it like that!
now my impression is, and i could be wrong (i often project on strangers), that Art is not anyone who goes into resonance with anyone, she doesn't even go to school because of that. rather, she appears to be the one who has an own following of resonators. because she is an inspiration to them. she is less of an inspiration because of what she knows (everyone could read it up somewhere), but of the way she exudes a style, a sense of posture about how to relate to knowledge. knowledge is a living process, not a pool of data.
the Pi type is a guru type, no matter in what discipline: sports, art, spirituality, philosophy, science.
in science, the JiPe types do the tough work of engineering and fine tuning the shizuma drive, while the PiJe types have invented/synthesized_from_impressions the underlying theory and are currently busy hallucinating the next multi-universe theory.
the natural resonator for a PiJe type is a PeJi type. the content must be of interest!
a TiNe type is not going to follow a NiFe type ever.
a JiPe type resonates with JePi types.
that's why architect (INTj TiNe) is practically an architect (an estj)
i never believe in my own thoughts. my experience is looking into the same crystal ball everyday (Pi) and in resonance to that, my mind can often create different theories, on different days, because there are different possibilities within my conceptual world (T), different building blocks to use, to create a conceptual world that somehow resembles (translates) the content of the crystal ball. but when the building blocks are used up or a best way of using them is established, then my mind will always recreate a similar theory, every day, even though everyday i remain unsatisfied, because there is still an inexplicable discrepancy between my perception and the theory. so i can't believe in my thoughts. but these are the only thoughts i have. so sometimes i share them. but i usually would not dare to act on them. sometimes Ti types will coincidentally come up with though forms (building blocks) that allow me, once modified a little bit, to conceptualize my perception differently. T concepts from other people can also be like viruses, to me, they can totally limit me, talk me into a denial about my perception, when they are just too incompatible. it can takes me lots of time to heal a virus infection like that. to emancipate myself from the intrusion of so called objectivity (illusory inter-subjectivity) and become true to my own unique perspective (subjectivity Pi). this, just to illustrate what i consider to be the world of PiJe. JiPe is quite different. it has to be. they feel that they can rely on their judgement, because they have made the attempt to emancipate their meta-methologies from the data, so if the data was wrong, their methodology could handle it. they don't live for insight and understanding, but for handling thought/methodology (Ti) of life (Pe).
PiJe types are about ideation and conception.
the craving for ideation is what makes us P archetypes.
they don't have a say in society, because they always exude "i don't really know, much more research is needed." to them, "knowing" implies being god.
JiPe types are people who adopt many concepts and who can apply them, they use a meta-methodology to handle different concepts. they synthesize rational material in creative manner (can also be poetic, if Fi). more and more theory building (or story building, if Fi). they don't have to understand how the concepts are originated in the territory (the ideation), in order to have a good understanding of HOW the concepts can be put to use. they are not bothered by random concepts, reflecting random statistically clusters, they feel empowered.
JiPe types are about conception and resolution.
the readynes for "resolution" is what makes them J archetypes.
they have the say in society. society has a wish (fe shadow). they say we do this now and we do it like that!
if you get your whole understanding of typology out of reading more and more articles about it, you are either a total noob or the latter type. and you readily keep copy-pasting typological theory in professional style, without craving confirmation for them in the territory and society keeps listening to you: yeah, that sounds well thought out, we will do it like that!
now my impression is, and i could be wrong (i often project on strangers), that Art is not anyone who goes into resonance with anyone, she doesn't even go to school because of that. rather, she appears to be the one who has an own following of resonators. because she is an inspiration to them. she is less of an inspiration because of what she knows (everyone could read it up somewhere), but of the way she exudes a style, a sense of posture about how to relate to knowledge. knowledge is a living process, not a pool of data.
the Pi type is a guru type, no matter in what discipline: sports, art, spirituality, philosophy, science.
in science, the JiPe types do the tough work of engineering and fine tuning the shizuma drive, while the PiJe types have invented/synthesized_from_impressions the underlying theory and are currently busy hallucinating the next multi-universe theory.
the natural resonator for a PiJe type is a PeJi type. the content must be of interest!
a TiNe type is not going to follow a NiFe type ever.
a JiPe type resonates with JePi types.
that's why architect (INTj TiNe) is practically an architect (an estj)
i never believe in my own thoughts. my experience is looking into the same crystal ball everyday (Pi) and in resonance to that, my mind can often create different theories, on different days, because there are different possibilities within my conceptual world (T), different building blocks to use, to create a conceptual world that somehow resembles (translates) the content of the crystal ball. but when the building blocks are used up or a best way of using them is established, then my mind will always recreate a similar theory, every day, even though everyday i remain unsatisfied, because there is still an inexplicable discrepancy between my perception and the theory. so i can't believe in my thoughts. but these are the only thoughts i have. so sometimes i share them. but i usually would not dare to act on them. sometimes Ti types will coincidentally come up with though forms (building blocks) that allow me, once modified a little bit, to conceptualize my perception differently. T concepts from other people can also be like viruses, to me, they can totally limit me, talk me into a denial about my perception, when they are just too incompatible. it can takes me lots of time to heal a virus infection like that. to emancipate myself from the intrusion of so called objectivity (illusory inter-subjectivity) and become true to my own unique perspective (subjectivity Pi). this, just to illustrate what i consider to be the world of PiJe. JiPe is quite different. it has to be. they feel that they can rely on their judgement, because they have made the attempt to emancipate their meta-methologies from the data, so if the data was wrong, their methodology could handle it. they don't live for insight and understanding, but for handling thought/methodology (Ti) of life (Pe).
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The first thing I thought about based off the introductory video was that INTPs are primarily thinkers. You consider yourself an intuitor. That makes me think that your secondary type is INTP, based off the introductory video.
nanook
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agree. well i don't believe in secondary types.
but "i am intuitor" = dominant intuition.
i was always offended when people told me that i'm not a feeler, more of a thinker, because i am very proud of keeping a good balance. it felt like they were accusing me of insensitivity and stealing my humanity. but if they told me i am a feeler (hardly ever happened), i was also offended, because that sounds so fucking stupid. nobody ever called me gut type. i am transcendentally and dissociatatively controlled. careful.
i mean, that's what people said, who don't know typology. they only know these two types, thinking and feeling, and they mix in sensors (gut feeling types=psychosomatic unconscious intuition) with emotional types, and mix thinkers (t doms) in with conscious (dominant) intuitives.
it finally made sense, when i discovered typology. i'm an alien, not a thinker or feeler or gut type.
but "i am intuitor" = dominant intuition.
i was always offended when people told me that i'm not a feeler, more of a thinker, because i am very proud of keeping a good balance. it felt like they were accusing me of insensitivity and stealing my humanity. but if they told me i am a feeler (hardly ever happened), i was also offended, because that sounds so fucking stupid. nobody ever called me gut type. i am transcendentally and dissociatatively controlled. careful.
i mean, that's what people said, who don't know typology. they only know these two types, thinking and feeling, and they mix in sensors (gut feeling types=psychosomatic unconscious intuition) with emotional types, and mix thinkers (t doms) in with conscious (dominant) intuitives.
it finally made sense, when i discovered typology. i'm an alien, not a thinker or feeler or gut type.
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You are very likely an INFP or INFJ. I'm not sure where you learned about "secondary type", the notion of such a thing is contrary to the idea of MBTI.
You do express yourself in a way that indicates intuitive perception. However, you don't seem like a thinker type, but a feeler type. When you said "I'm a hardcore idealist... I think people tend to be guarded, put up walls, and they don't truly experience beautiful things." and "... In regard to Taoism, what I really appreciate is the more esoteric, mystical side of Taoism." This indicates that you are basing your ideas on what you feel is right, what fits in with your personal values rather than what is in line with dispassionate observation.
Saying you are a feeler type certainly doesn't mean you're not an intellectual. This is a misnomer. You are clearly intelligent and you do think about things deeply. However, the way you articulate and how you interpret things does indicate that you are a feeler type. imo, you have far too much social charisma to be an INTP =)
When attempting to discover your type, it's best to focus on the functions rather than overall descriptions found online. http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-...ype-dynamics/the-eight-function-attitudes.asp
You do express yourself in a way that indicates intuitive perception. However, you don't seem like a thinker type, but a feeler type. When you said "I'm a hardcore idealist... I think people tend to be guarded, put up walls, and they don't truly experience beautiful things." and "... In regard to Taoism, what I really appreciate is the more esoteric, mystical side of Taoism." This indicates that you are basing your ideas on what you feel is right, what fits in with your personal values rather than what is in line with dispassionate observation.
Saying you are a feeler type certainly doesn't mean you're not an intellectual. This is a misnomer. You are clearly intelligent and you do think about things deeply. However, the way you articulate and how you interpret things does indicate that you are a feeler type. imo, you have far too much social charisma to be an INTP =)
When attempting to discover your type, it's best to focus on the functions rather than overall descriptions found online. http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-...ype-dynamics/the-eight-function-attitudes.asp
IdeasNotTheProblem
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Trying to type someone based on a single short video seems kind of silly. I think I spend to much of my social life trying to mirror other types, so I could probably be typed a variety of ways depending on the surroundings.
Really not much info to work with here. Although, from what I did see, I would agree that you appear to be more FiNe than anything else
Really not much info to work with here. Although, from what I did see, I would agree that you appear to be more FiNe than anything else
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Thank you all for the feedback.
Agreed!
I am 5w4 which could explain the Fi. I consider INTP to be my base personality... I felt all my emotions contained within mathematics and the physical sciences until sometime after puberty when I decided to strengthen perceived weaknesses. However, I could imagine being an INFP without any reactionary or social emotions and without ever deciding based off humanity and especially social structure. When my feelings (only ever deep) started to develop, they went into theoretical physics then philosophy and such.
I could definitely be an INOP – O for otherworldly (best of all possible outcomes) to decide beyond feeling or logic... so as not to be contained or influenced by something outside. When I have to be here on earth, I use logic... but ~
What you've said seems correct.
♥
To speak in terms of the cognitive functions Ne > Ni > Ti > Fi > Te > Se > Si > Fe for me. Fi > Te only if Fi doesn't include "belief" (as exquisite objective truth hurts only those who believe in lies) or even rightness, value, or subjectivity - unless the ideal is perceived, as in some of German Idealism... and elsewhere in true art... It's difficult to describe, but...
I should have clarified – based on my research, the original Taoism is so different from what it is commonly considered to be today. I'll likely make a video on that later, because it can be complicated given the underlying assumptions found all around.
Agreed!
I am 5w4 which could explain the Fi. I consider INTP to be my base personality... I felt all my emotions contained within mathematics and the physical sciences until sometime after puberty when I decided to strengthen perceived weaknesses. However, I could imagine being an INFP without any reactionary or social emotions and without ever deciding based off humanity and especially social structure. When my feelings (only ever deep) started to develop, they went into theoretical physics then philosophy and such.
I could definitely be an INOP – O for otherworldly (best of all possible outcomes) to decide beyond feeling or logic... so as not to be contained or influenced by something outside. When I have to be here on earth, I use logic... but ~
What you've said seems correct.
♥
To speak in terms of the cognitive functions Ne > Ni > Ti > Fi > Te > Se > Si > Fe for me. Fi > Te only if Fi doesn't include "belief" (as exquisite objective truth hurts only those who believe in lies) or even rightness, value, or subjectivity - unless the ideal is perceived, as in some of German Idealism... and elsewhere in true art... It's difficult to describe, but...
I should have clarified – based on my research, the original Taoism is so different from what it is commonly considered to be today. I'll likely make a video on that later, because it can be complicated given the underlying assumptions found all around.
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Heh. That's actually where I am at tooit finally made sense, when i discovered typology. i'm an alien, not a thinker or feeler or gut type.
The secondary type was referenced as in your mind. Thoughts are real. So secondary type for -Aga is INTP. That was the question, to lazy to think further.
A random link.;
You see, there is a difference between an Intuitor and a Thinker. What fits you better?
Do you identify with the other descriptions?
ps-I can not vouch for the accuracy of these descriptions. But should be in the ballpark.
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Lol
For the descriptions - Ne and Ti completely and 1/3 Ni
For fence-building example - Ne and (shortly) Te if alone (Si, Fe, Se, and Fi repelled me), Ni and Ti if surrounded by others
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No. just.. no.