Recreational drug use/experimentation

[Dimensional Transition]

Maybe it's escalating your anxieties so that you have a deliberate chance to cope with them in a proper, controlled way.

I've been thinking about that... So in order to enjoy the experience I will first need to dig through my mostly ignored anxieties? Like, figure them out first?
My biggest fear is that of there being no reality or no point in life, so what I got was depersonalization and a feeling of emptiness of course.
I must note that I had experienced feelings such as those beforehand too. I still experience them daily. Not in the form of a disorder I think, just this fear I've had for years and which seems hard to get over.

 

[Moocow]

I've been thinking about that... So in order to enjoy the experience I will first need to dig through my mostly ignored anxieties? Like, figure them out first?
My biggest fear is that of there being no reality or no point in life, so what I got was depersonalization and a feeling of emptiness of course.
I must note that I had experienced feelings such as those beforehand too. I still experience them daily. Not in the form of a disorder I think, just this fear I've had for years and which seems hard to get over.

Anxiety about the pointlessness and illusory nature of reality as we know it is an important thing to think about. As disturbing as it may be, it can be equally fulfilling. You have a very good opportunity in front of you.

My advice is to pay careful attention to your anxiety, but do not worry about figuring anything out. Don't expect anything of yourself, just sit back, relax, and observe. In fact, if you must use drugs, do so with the intention of confronting and examining your pains, not escaping or masking them... they are the essence of what makes your life worthwhile.
If you want more in-depth advice, I'd be glad to chat about it, as I do have some experience with the emptiness you speak of.

 

[AncilTech]

What do you think is the main reason people do drugs? Opening up new perceptions, escaping, just having fun?

 

[Moocow]

What do you think is the main reason people do drugs? Opening up new perceptions, escaping, just having fun?

Asking for the main reason people do drugs is like asking for the main reason people open their mouths.

"Drugs" is a blanket term for an extremely diverse range of things with varying effects and uses. Looking for a "main reason" is really just looking for a stereotype that will never be adequate for actually understanding the reasons people use drugs. People use drugs for the same reasons they do anything at all.

 

[socialexpat]

If you haven't already, you should read Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception". It is his analysis of taking acid. A fine mind and an interesting analysis.

The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe may be to your liking too, also known under another title in Europe if none English.

International Standard Book Number is: ISBN 9789035112315

I should re-read that book someday.

 

[passingby]

I missed the cannabis option in the poll, and I'm a pot head...
The thing with weed though is in a social setting it shuts me right up and I become really self conscious and socially anxious. Alone at night time it;s great however.

Other than that I voted for alcohol and psychedelics.

I dont use caffeine, as that can develop some severe dependence in the regular user. I get my sleep in, and eat well and have no shortage of energy (though I remain sitting in front of a computer most days anyways (ie. don't need much energy)).

I've done shrooms maybe 5 times, LSD a bit more, have had 2 DMT trips, but have yet to try salvia or mescaline (which apparently is like an acid trip with more controllable hallucinations).

I have rules about not trying any drugs that have severe damaging impact psychologically and physiologically (no esctasy, no coke, etc.). LSD and mushrooms in particular get a bad rep, but a quick google search and you'll find they're some of the least physically damaging drugs around (and the most fun).

I research every drug before I try it. I'd definitely recommend everyone try a strong psychedelic once in their life time, otherwise you're missin out! I've never really had a 'spiritual' or perspective shifting trip, they're just really really fun every once in a while.

For a beginner, I'd recommend LSD over shrooms anyday, as shrooms are much more of a mindfuck and LSD is more pure visuals with euphoria. Shrooms can get a little chaotic and loopy. Go on a hike, hands down best way to spend your trip. I climbed a mountain once on LSD and sat at the top for hours thinking of so many things and experiencing some amazing visuals.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Always research the drug you're taking, that's what I'd do too yeah.
But you guys seem pretty fearless of psychedelics, does nobody feel a little like this song?

YouTube - Art blog 3 ~ Jeffrey Lewis; acid song

'The seventh rule, I hope that you understand
Is not to look to deep into your soul
Or you might find a hideous, hopeless hole
Of hatred, hunger, infinite, idiot
Mindless, meaningless, nothingness, nothingness
Nothingness, nothingness, nothingness, nothingness
Nothingness, nothingness, nothingness, nothingness
Nothingness
And that's what I did

And every aspect of life that I selected
Was instantly and brutally dissected
I saw the horrible emptiness within
The reasons behind everything
And it was at that moment that I went insane'

 

[shoeless]

when i dropped acid i got the overwhelming feeling that nothing really had a point to it. it's like, the entire time you expect something extraordinary is about to happen, but then you realize nothing is going to happen. the cabinet isn't going to burst open and reveal the secrets of the universe. it makes everything incredibly meaningless, which is both insightful and a little scary. the three other people i did it with had that exact same experience.

still some cool shit though.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

That just doesn't sound very nice...
Does the same happen with shrooms? Psilocybin and LSD are completely different substances, after all.

 

[shoeless]

it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, the pointlessness. it made everything seem very simple, like it gave me a step-by-step way of perceiving things. smoke a cigarette, walk the dog, come back. it was comforting in a way. the way you deal with it really depends on your mindset going into it. to me it felt like rebirth.

i took a double hit on my first time though, so it was rather intense, considering i think most (intelligent) people take maybe a half hit or one hit their first time. oh well.
also, i've never done shrooms, so i dunno how it compares. i swear, they're impossible to get where i am. we tried once and they were completely bunk.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Hmm, yeah I see what you mean. You'd have to go into the whole thing with a really open, positive outlook on life though.

 

[Cogwulf]

when i dropped acid i got the overwhelming feeling that nothing really had a point to it. it's like, the entire time you expect something extraordinary is about to happen, but then you realize nothing is going to happen. the cabinet isn't going to burst open and reveal the secrets of the universe. it makes everything incredibly meaningless, which is both insightful and a little scary. the three other people i did it with had that exact same experience.

still some cool shit though.

Oddly enough I get the same feeling from time to time, though probably nowhere near being an overwhelming feeling like you describe.

 

[Causeless]

I missed the cannabis option in the poll, and I'm a pot head...
The thing with weed though is in a social setting it shuts me right up and I become really self conscious and socially anxious. Alone at night time it;s great however.

Ever since I've found this website and become INTP conscious, I've dreamed of an INTP smoke circle...

Bet it would help.

 

[passingby]

What these thoughts stem from is the drug completely removes one's ego, and it seems you're looking at everything from a 'true' perspective, without your bias clouding your vision. If you give in to it, things can get messy an you'll develop paranoia during the trip, convinced perhaps that your life has been a lie up til now, at least in regards to the thing occupying your thoughts.

To me, the challenge of overcomin this is half the fun. I drop the tabs with a 'Do your worst' mindset, and I embrace the paranoia/removal of ego but don't dwell on it. This has led me to do large doses at a time, trying to see just how far I can push my mind. My most recent trip I dropped 2 tabs of LSD, waited an hour, smoked DMT, and shit got nuts. Then about 2-3 hours later I dropped another 2 tabs. I tripped for about 15 hours total. And it was potent LSD, apparently lol. Everything just became balls of glowing energy, like I was seeing the buildin blocks of the world. My mind seemed to expand and occupy the entire room, and I just got an overwhelming realisation that I can manipulate the energy in this world to do whatever I wanted, I was a powerful force that could change things. I wasn't part of my body, my mind felt connected with everything around me, and my thoughts could become reality. I could burn the world down, I could end my life in a second, I could create things and influence things, all with my thoughts. I could create an army Project Mayhem style (Fight Club), after all humans are energy as well, and they operate first and foremost like energy does (and this is why people who emit energy ('charisma') rise to fame and attract more energy (people, material possessions), people go to concerts/large events because of the energy they feel when they're all crowded together jumpin around and being in the moment, and they thrive off it at a basic level). So I reached out and tipped over a cup and declared, 'Ha ha! Manipulation!' lol

It's hard to explain, and I really haven't done it justice, but it was cool. It was about a year ago and I don't think I'll do it again for years to come. One day, maybe.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

^ I understand the energy bit..."With great power comes great responsibility".

Ever since I've found this website and become INTP conscious, I've dreamed of an INTP smoke circle...

Bet it would help.

I'd like this.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I had some alcoholic apple cider today.
I felt pretty euphoric and giggly, is this a normal response to alcohol? I also got some sort of sense of safety...
Normally I really don't notice anything from beer. I'm really not sure why I suddenly do react positively from alcohol.

I don't trust alcohol, I now see why it has such a big addiction potential.

 

[Panopticon]

I'm really, really eager to try it again. The reports, the idea of it, it all sounds so interesting. I guess it's pretty close to an obsession. My dad had panic attacks as well, but he said he loved the cannabis high. So it must be possible for me to enjoy it as well. Maybe I just took a too high dose. The things you reported having gotten from psychedelics are things I have somewhat achieved because of the high dose cannabis experience really. So I don't entirely regret it or something, I'm just nervous to try it again.

I think you are pretty much spot-on with the reasons for the panic attack. I felt as if I was fucking up my life, I felt like some sort of filthy druggie. Me and a pretty dopey friend smoked it in a park, and I saw lots of neighbors and shit walking/biking by, which got me quite paranoid to start with. It was after a long day of school, too. And I had been waiting so long to try it, so in the end it was more of a 'just get it over-with' thing. I wasn't thinking about what had fascinated me so much about cannabis, I wasn't thinking much at all. I didn't have any expectations, besides for a subtle sub-conscious voice telling me not to do it because it could turn out bad as I was already feeling a little paranoid. So as soon as I started feeling it, light-headed, heavy, watching my vision as if I was in a game, or as if it was a dream(depersonalization), slow-motion, skipping back and forth in time, dry mouth, my limbs morphing, audial hallucinations, white lights, etc, I freaked out.

So now I'm really careful and I want to pretty much precisely find out what the strain I'm going to try is build out of(indica/sativa) and how high the THC percentage is, etc etc. I'm also unsure whether to try it alone this time or with someone else. Someone else is probably better but it'd have to be at some comfortable home-setting then.

And thank you for your response (:

Ah man I feel like a dick for sitting on this response. I feel like the intp poster we dont like around here lol. But your account is so similar to mine. I guess for me the little voice would be the big one(meaning my INTP father). But I too would get this feeling that you describe. Paranoia like I couldnt believe. In fact, I still do. Thats just how thc hits starting out.

cannabis is a psychedelic high. By psychedelic I mean that it is an emotional amplifier. It can go any way really. The most important part is set and setting. Smoke only in places in which you feel totally comfortable doing so. Whether to do it alone or not I say depends on you. I loved getting stoned alone in particular because it would always feel like I was doing a psychological review of my behaviour. There was always something valuable to be learned.

If I didnt smoke so much I might actually be able to fully appretiate the power of it. You just gotta remember that the substance is secondary, its you that is primary.

It lights up curiosity a bit too. so you can always find shit to distract and entertain yourself with. Its all about set and setting.

 

[Panopticon]

Haha yeah those seeds taste absolutely horrible that's the main reason I only tried that once.

Ya no kidding. Im still trying to unlearn the taste of those. I can litarally fuckin throw up if I just think about that taste.

 

[Panopticon]

I had some alcoholic apple cider today.
I felt pretty euphoric and giggly, is this a normal response to alcohol? I also got some sort of sense of safety...
Normally I really don't notice anything from beer. I'm really not sure why I suddenly do react positively from alcohol.

I don't trust alcohol, I now see why it has such a big addiction potential.

Yup thats alcohol being her usual self. She's very deceptive, i learned.

 

[Panopticon]

What these thoughts stem from is the drug completely removes one's ego, and it seems you're looking at everything from a 'true' perspective, without your bias clouding your vision. If you give in to it, things can get messy an you'll develop paranoia during the trip, convinced perhaps that your life has been a lie up til now, at least in regards to the thing occupying your thoughts.

To me, the challenge of overcomin this is half the fun. I drop the tabs with a 'Do your worst' mindset, and I embrace the paranoia/removal of ego but don't dwell on it. This has led me to do large doses at a time, trying to see just how far I can push my mind. My most recent trip I dropped 2 tabs of LSD, waited an hour, smoked DMT, and shit got nuts. Then about 2-3 hours later I dropped another 2 tabs. I tripped for about 15 hours total. And it was potent LSD, apparently lol. Everything just became balls of glowing energy, like I was seeing the buildin blocks of the world. My mind seemed to expand and occupy the entire room, and I just got an overwhelming realisation that I can manipulate the energy in this world to do whatever I wanted, I was a powerful force that could change things. I wasn't part of my body, my mind felt connected with everything around me, and my thoughts could become reality. I could burn the world down, I could end my life in a second, I could create things and influence things, all with my thoughts. I could create an army Project Mayhem style (Fight Club), after all humans are energy as well, and they operate first and foremost like energy does (and this is why people who emit energy ('charisma') rise to fame and attract more energy (people, material possessions), people go to concerts/large events because of the energy they feel when they're all crowded together jumpin around and being in the moment, and they thrive off it at a basic level). So I reached out and tipped over a cup and declared, 'Ha ha! Manipulation!' lol

It's hard to explain, and I really haven't done it justice, but it was cool. It was about a year ago and I don't think I'll do it again for years to come. One day, maybe.

YES. THIS Get LSD and DMT in the same combo and it only leads to

I did it just once and the overlords from both camps told me not to do that shit again for a long time.

 

[Panopticon]

I've been thinking about that... So in order to enjoy the experience I will first need to dig through my mostly ignored anxieties? Like, figure them out first?
My biggest fear is that of there being no reality or no point in life, so what I got was depersonalization and a feeling of emptiness of course.
I must note that I had experienced feelings such as those beforehand too. I still experience them daily. Not in the form of a disorder I think, just this fear I've had for years and which seems hard to get over.

Well then just remember that there is a point in life and reality is the here and now. You gotta kill the fear thats holding you back. Fear is like a prison shackel in the mind. Once you break away from it you are able to see life for its endless possibilities again.

 

[mke2686]

I've always wanted to see machine elves, but I've never wanted to do the drugs which allow it?

ive always wanted to try dmt but i have no connection and im to lazy to make it

 

[socialexpat]

I heavily doubt Cannabis would ever be legalized. It's a political, ethical, social and economical issue.

It would prove to be worse than alcohol in some countries.. Just like alcohol dominates people their lives in Canada.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

It would prove to be worse than alcohol in some countries.. Just like alcohol dominates people their lives in Canada.

I don't mean like that. The issue of consumption of marijuana is something else, I mean it would have a hard time being legalized because of all the associations it has.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I don't mean like that. The issue of consumption of marijuana is something else, I mean it would have a hard time being legalized because of all the associations it has.

I agree with this. Cannabis is such a controversial topic for so many people. It could be legalized, if several generations were only given correct information, but that's really hard to get done.

Ah man I feel like a dick for sitting on this response. I feel like the intp poster we dont like around here lol. But your account is so similar to mine. I guess for me the little voice would be the big one(meaning my INTP father). But I too would get this feeling that you describe. Paranoia like I couldnt believe. In fact, I still do. Thats just how thc hits starting out.

cannabis is a psychedelic high. By psychedelic I mean that it is an emotional amplifier. It can go any way really. The most important part is set and setting. Smoke only in places in which you feel totally comfortable doing so. Whether to do it alone or not I say depends on you. I loved getting stoned alone in particular because it would always feel like I was doing a psychological review of my behaviour. There was always something valuable to be learned.

If I didnt smoke so much I might actually be able to fully appretiate the power of it. You just gotta remember that the substance is secondary, its you that is primary.

It lights up curiosity a bit too. so you can always find shit to distract and entertain yourself with. Its all about set and setting.

Nawwww it's okay, you're a nice guy.
A few friends of mine are going to grow their own weed in a while(sem-legal here). I'm gonna start out slow with some of that stuff I think. I'll report back once I've done that. They aren't going to add all sorts of special minerals and such, so the THC percentage should stay low-medium.

Can someone explain to me why altered states of consciousness have fascinated humans for such a long time? Is it the 'spiritual enlightenment'? The boredom of ordinary reality? And are there any reports of bad reactions to psychedelics when used in a traditional, ceremonial setting? I have never heard of a native American having a bad ayahuasca trip, freaking out, and getting mental troubles. Does that suggest that it's all about the set and setting indeed? Or does it have to do with being religious and trusting in god/the gods? Or am I misinformed about there being no long-lasting bad reactions to psychedelics when used in traditional settings?
SO MANY QUESTIONS!

 

[Moocow]

Psychedelics were used in religious and healing rituals. I mean, no one thinks about medicine as being pleasant. I imagine that people who used ayahuasca and shrooms in mesoamerica and the amazon did so with the knowledge that it would be a frightening experience. I think this idea of a "bad trip" comes out of people's expectations more than anything. We tend to look at "drugs of abuse" as tools of pleasure and euphoria, and the people that go into psychedelics that way are just begging for disappointment.

Think of it this way: if your expectation is to have a terrifying trip and to confront your deepest fears, well you're bound to get what you want. You don't learn math because the process of doing so is fun, it's the long term benefits you get from the struggle.

With that said, however, tripping can be extremely euphoric. Perhaps more euphoric than any other experience you'll have in life. I just don't think it's wise to believe that euphoria is the point you're looking for.

 

[Offbeat]

Can someone explain to me why altered states of consciousness have fascinated humans for such a long time? Is it the 'spiritual enlightenment'? The boredom of ordinary reality? And are there any reports of bad reactions to psychedelics when used in a traditional, ceremonial setting? I have never heard of a native American having a bad ayahuasca trip, freaking out, and getting mental troubles. Does that suggest that it's all about the set and setting indeed? Or does it have to do with being religious and trusting in god/the gods? Or am I misinformed about there being no long-lasting bad reactions to psychedelics when used in traditional settings?
SO MANY QUESTIONS!

Psychedelics were used in religious and healing rituals. I mean, no one thinks about medicine as being pleasant. I imagine that people who used ayahuasca and shrooms in mesoamerica and the amazon did so with the knowledge that it would be a frightening experience. I think this idea of a "bad trip" comes out of people's expectations more than anything. We tend to look at "drugs of abuse" as tools of pleasure and euphoria, and the people that go into psychedelics that way are just begging for disappointment.

There is definitely some truth to this, insofar as the differences in people's perceptions of psychedelic experiences vary even more than the types of experiences that result. A shaman would believe neither in bad trips nor in mental problems, as he'd describe them as visions/signs from spirits or gods. This doesn't mean he would experience them in a substantially different way than someone who had downed an ayahusca brew on a Sunday night, expecting to get a little legal buzz going. To be honest, I think the weekend warrior in this example has more chance of taking something substantial away from the trip, as I think the only way to gain anything from a trip is to evaluate your identity and existence from the temporary alternative viewpoint the substance allows you to access. Dissociatives and psychedelics don't really give you any choice in the matter, whereas the more common drugs of choice are pretty rarely used this way, (and are pretty ineffective when they are). I suppose cannabis is passable when used in this way, but I think it just gives you a clouded yet focused, anhedonic viewpoint.

But yeah, basically the interpretation of an experience informs it a great deal retrospectively, but has little impact on the experience itself. I think the "set and setting" meme is particularly meaningless or empty when applied to powerful disassociatives or psychedelics. If it refers to the environment you are in, it's meaningless, as your awareness of said environment is going to get pretty limited, pretty quickly. If it refers to the mood one's in, it's empty and tautological; "if you are scared while you experience an otherworldly experience, you'll find this otherworldly experience scary".

As for that first question, of why there has always been an interest in altered states of consciousness, my guess is that it's because there has always been an interest in consciousness, period. Extrapolating from my own case, I presume that it is the centerpiece of all people's worlds, and so experimenting with it is one of the most intuitive desires. It's worth stating also, even once neuroscience is "completed," the question of whether consciousness has been explained may well remain.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I've tried caffeine (Then again, who hasn't? It's practically unavoidable...), alcohol, tobacco, and cannabis. I can't tell you how often I drink caffeine, as I seldom do it consciously. If I want a coke, I'll drink it, not thinking about the fact that it has caffeine.

I drink alcohol on a pretty random basis, which I think is a good thing because it prevents me from getting addicted. If I'm out at a restaurant, I'll sometimes order a glass of wine, a beer, or a cocktail. I pretty much always drink when I'm at a bar or club too (but isn't that the point of going to a bar anyway? ). I never drink at home though. I live in a dorm at college, and I'd get kicked out if I was caught drinking alcohol there.

I've been smoking tobacco for quite a while, but on a very occasional basis because I know how unhealthy and addictive it is when consumed on a regular basis. I tried tobacco for the first time about three years ago at a hookah bar with some acquaintances from school. I have also recently taken up cigar smoking several months ago, but I do that on a very irregular basis. I've tried cigarettes before, but they're disgusting, and I have no desire to smoke them, especially since they're the unhealthiest form of tobacco anyway.

I've only smoked cannabis once. It was extremely disappointing. I don't know if the disappointment was because the weed was really weak or because I was drinking too. I had already had about two or three glasses of wine before I tried it, so I think the intoxication from the alcohol may have been diluting the high from the weed. I pretty much felt nothing. Maybe I was just smoking it wrong. I'd like to experiment with marijuana again, but as I don't really have any access to it (considering that it's illegal, and you can't just walk into a store and buy it), I may never get the chance to do so.

The only other drug I'm really open to experimenting with is possibly hallucinogens, as they aren't addictive or really bad for you. I'd probably try acid if a close friend whom I trusted offered me some. I wouldn't try any of the heavy narcotics like cocaine, meth, or heroin though. That crap just screws people's life up.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Actually, I forgot to say one thing. Once hallucinogen that I am quite interested in trying is salvia divinorum. I'd rather try that than anything synthesized like LSD. For one thing, it's legal in many states (unfortunately, not in the state in which I live), and it's evidently quite safe from what I've heard. But again, there's the whole problem of availability and access. The only way I can think that I would ever obtain it would be either by going to another state to get it or going to a garden shop and growing it myself.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Weed isn't that hard to get... But maybe that's just because I live in the Netherlands.

FOR SCIENCE!
Chamomile has a little bit of a sedative, drowsy and hazy effect if you deeply inhale the vapors of a chamomile tea for a few minutes.
Miracle berries work. They work pretty well, actually. But vinegar just tasted weird.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

What are miracle berries, and where do you get chamomile tea?

 

[Dimensional Transition]

What are miracle berries, and where do you get chamomile tea?

Chamomile tea is to be found in any supermarket, I believe. I just use pickwick chamomile tea with honey.
Miracle berries are berries containing miraculin, a protein which makes most foods taste sweet. It's not psychoactive or anything, it generally just sweetens anything that's sour by "binding to the sweet receptors on the tongue. Miraculin's effect lasts as long as the protein is bound to the tongue, which can be up to an hour. It makes most acidic foods taste sweet, but does not improve the taste of bitter things."(Wikipedia)

Oh, I also used miracle berry tablets instead of miracle berries themselves. They're basically just freeze dried, compressed miracle berries, but I believe they're still easier to ingest that way. They're called 'frooties' (http://www.sour2sweet.com/).

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Interesting...

You said weed isn't hard to get in the Netherlands, but how exactly do you go about getting it?

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Interesting...

You said weed isn't hard to get in the Netherlands, but how exactly do you go about getting it?

Go to a coffeeshop, buy weed.
Go to a growshop, buy seeds and grow your own weed(5 plants max).
If you're underage, find someone who is 18+ and get him/her to buy weed for you.

Amsterdam is just a city in the Netherlands, you can buy weed everywhere here, not just in Amsterdam. I always find it weird that almost nobody outside of the Netherlands seems to know this. (Except for our neighbouring countries...)
It's a pretty weird situation, compared to the rest of the world now I think about it haha. But from what I've heard it can't be hard to get weed in other places either if you have a MMJ card or know the right people.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Oh, so weed is legal there over a certain age. I wasn't aware of that.

 

[TylerRDA]

Out of curiosity, to those who live in/near Amsterdam and have lived elsewhere, do you feel the society as a whole is different between where it is legal and where it is not?

Also, I was wondering if anybody has ever used nutmeg? I recall a friend put an unholy amount in his coffee one night and was up the rest of the night with bad stomach cramps and a headache, but that was also the first time he'd had caffeine in a while, and I suspect the placebo effect may have had a role. Anybody?

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I've never used nutmeg, but I've always been interested in trying it. However, I've heard that the trip it gives you can last up to a couple days, often makes you sick, can be quite dangerous, and generally isn't that enjoyable, all of which prevent me from trying. Now, if I ever have a time when I have nothing to do for a few days and nobody around to worry about me, I think I might try it. Who knows if that day will ever come, though...

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I don't feel the society is different at all.
When I went to France, more people were recreationally smoking weed than in the Netherlands, actually... But yeah. It's still frowned upon by the more Christian/older folks usually.

As for nutmeg: It works. Nutmeg is a deliriant. Look it up on Erowid, and read some experiences, it's pretty crazy. It's not fun to do though... It puts you in a drunk state for about 12 hours, and as an extra it gives you pretty scary hallucinations and you don't really know what you're doing anymore.

 

[shoeless]

erowid is practically my bible. i still wouldn't be arsed to do the nutmeg thing though. rather shell out a few extra bucks for some weed then try something with a reputation of making you incredibly sick. (that's the one thing i won't do -- shit that'll make you sick. learned my lesson from the DXM. no more swallowing 16 pills of anything for me.)

 

[Panopticon]

erowid is practically my bible. i still wouldn't be arsed to do the nutmeg thing though. rather shell out a few extra bucks for some weed then try something with a reputation of making you incredibly sick. (that's the one thing i won't do -- shit that'll make you sick. learned my lesson from the DXM. no more swallowing 16 pills of anything for me.)

The effects of DXM seem interesting. At least the positive ones. However the negative effects make me lose interest in actually trying it. Besides that, they dont make cough medicine without a shitload of Acetaminophen in it. To deter abuse I suppose.
Nutmeg is actually a deliriant in a similar class to Datura(hells bells) and Amanitas mushrooms. Out of those three Amanitas seems like the safest and most pleasant maybe. That would probably be the only deliriant I see worth trying.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

The effects of DXM seem interesting. At least the positive ones. However the negative effects make me lose interest in actually trying it. Besides that, they dont make cough medicine without a shitload of Acetaminophen in it. To deter abuse I suppose.
Nutmeg is actually a deliriant in a similar class to Datura(hells bells) and Amanitas mushrooms. Out of those three Amanitas seems like the safest and most pleasant maybe. That would probably be the only deliriant I see worth trying.

Amanita Muscaria seems pretty pleasant as long as you don't take a too big dose.
It'll make you feel horny and like you're flying usually.

I read somewhere Amanita Muscaria was a big part of 'witches'' brews in the middle ages. The effects from these brews were seen as dark magic by the foolish Christians back then. The effect of feeling like flying is probably where the flying on brooms thing is from.

And yes, I do agree, Erowid is awesome.
But it is Erowid that made me decide for good that alcohol, weed and tobacco are the strongest drugs I will ever use, and even then in small doses. All the others are just too risky for my taste. Being too high/drunk is bad for my fragile INTP brain.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

YouTube - Natural-Ites - Pictures On The Wall
Why did the high club get closed?

This weekend I first smoked weed again since a year. Friday night and saturday afternoon until somewhere deep into the night. All with friends.
I think I kind of appreciate weed now, but right now I feel a little nervous, tense and hazey at the same time.

Hash got me really really relaxed. Maybe too relaxed because everybody else was screaming and running around which was really hard to process in that state. But it was nice, my muscle-ache from sporting earlier was gone, I felt soft and just fine and chill.
Weed got me kind of anxious and depressed, but I also felt some sort of heightened awareness of everything. The thing that really sucked was that I got depersonalization for an hour or so, but it passed. In the end I was just giggly and tired.

What kind of conclusion can I draw from this? I don't really know myself, can someone give some tips on how to improve the experience? As right now I'm not really sure what I should think of it.

 

[Minamimoto]

I have next to no experience with any of these. A couple years ago, I would drink a can of soda a day out of habit, and occasionally buy an energy drink, but I've never really used it for the sake of any sort of psychological effects, aside from a couple nights where I hoped it would keep my eyes open and mind alert for an extra hour or two. I didn't typically consume things simply because they had caffeine.

I don't intend to start with anything else; I'm simply not curious enough to take the risk. I've tasted a couple types of alcohol when I was visiting the Czech republic, but it didn't really appeal to me.

 

[Wahrheitsliebe]

- alcohol, since 16, but that's normal...it was a family-approved thing.

- weed, since 18 or so. When I've got nothing going on. I don't let it get in the way of work or school or anything important to me. Same with alcohol. I like weed...actually, where I am it's easy as hell to get even though it's "banned". No one gives a shit, except at the public school. Even there it's all over. They try to crack down on it, but all they ever catch is some stupid freshmen.

There are some people who just shouldn't do weed though. Makes them stupid.

The effects, though, for me, are pretty good. It usually happens in a few "stages". 1: a general calm feeling + a glazed happy feeling, 2: a really critical calm feeling...more like a general sense of myself and everything + I usually think of 1 or 2 "big picture" ideas during this time. Helps with choosing a thesis statement sometimes. 3: This can go 2 ways...good or bad. Good: My thoughts pick up and move fast, things are funny, but not in any memorable way...I feel like singing a bit but just laugh. Bad: Thoughts pick up fast, in the same way, but instead it leads to paranoia and feeling like I need to look for something.

The bad doesn't happen too much though. Which, course, then follows all the normal after-effects.

Mostly, this is something for a saturday either with some friends, or when I want to draw or when there has been too much in a week.


- caffeine. Everyday. Black coffee is a religion.

- I've tried peyote with 3 of my cousins during the summer when one of them's boyfriend got ahold of some. It was interesting. Unfortunately, hallucinogens don't seem to have much of an effect on me. Fun watching everyone else, though. Maybe we just got bad shit and I wasn't falling for the placebo effect? I don't know.

EDIT:

Dimensional Translation (DT?): thanks for "Erowid"-- that's a real helpful website right there.

 

[boondockbabe]

I don't mean like that. The issue of consumption of marijuana is something else, I mean it would have a hard time being legalized because of all the associations it has.

We need to legalize everything and find a way to moderate how it is distributed. That would really take a Big bite out of crime, especially with the southern drug cartels in mexico.

 

[boondockbabe]

YouTube - Natural-Ites - Pictures On The Wall
Why did the high club get closed?

This weekend I first smoked weed again since a year. Friday night and saturday afternoon until somewhere deep into the night. All with friends.
I think I kind of appreciate weed now, but right now I feel a little nervous, tense and hazey at the same time.

Hash got me really really relaxed. Maybe too relaxed because everybody else was screaming and running around which was really hard to process in that state. But it was nice, my muscle-ache from sporting earlier was gone, I felt soft and just fine and chill.
Weed got me kind of anxious and depressed, but I also felt some sort of heightened awareness of everything. The thing that really sucked was that I got depersonalization for an hour or so, but it passed. In the end I was just giggly and tired.

What kind of conclusion can I draw from this? I don't really know myself, can someone give some tips on how to improve the experience? As right now I'm not really sure what I should think of it.

hash usually really relaxis you. I love the fine and chill- that part depends on the strain you buy. The anexiety is a side effect from the bad cannabanoids-tell the Coffieshop tender you want somthing VERY LOW on the bad-cannabanoid level. and mid-range on the THC content, try to stay away from anything over probably 15%. Remember to just take a little ,wait five min. then take a little more , do this till you are at the level you want to be at. and if you smoke cigaretts then have one hit ,smoke a cig, see how you feel after the cig. then repeat the process til you get to the headspace you want.

How was your inner peace? I always feel "safer" and mellow. I like the pain killing properties and it really helps me sleep. the best part is it is NON-addictive. I can't think of another "natural" drug that is non-addictive, hell, even alcohol is addictive.

 

[Anub1s]

Fascinating to read all these reactions.
I'm about to try weed again very soon, but I'm always afraid of panicking. It's stupid because it's mostly the fear of panic that will make you panic, it gets you tense and not open to different feelings and perceptions. So I'll only try it again when I truly feel adventurous and interested.
What interests me is that most INTPs don't like weed as much as I expected... Why is this? Hallucinogens and opioids seem fine, as well as alcohol, but there are only a few people here who really seem to enjoy it a lot.

I have never experienced a panic attack or any other side effects from smoking weed, but i am curious as to why they would occur. In what situation do you smoke? (with friends? what place etc...). I found that if i smoke with good friends (as apposed to people i don't know as well) and in a place i know i am safe from getting caught/seen/judged, then the experience is much more enjoyable. I have experienced a mild paranoia but other then that no negative side effects. For me time slows, the world seems lighter and i can examine myself and the world seemingly objectively, also i laugh a lot.

I am an avid black tea drinker because i think sleeping is a waste of time... I seriously drink like 3 - 5 large cups a day.

I am afraid of hallucinogens and any other drugs "bigger" then weed. I grew up in a town where weed is extremely common and this is the only intoxicant that managed to beat out the "drugs are bad because i say so" mentality pounded in to my skull. While i am curious about hallucinogens i just cannot bring myself to try them out of fear of being taken advantage of and addiction



EDIT: Wow was spacing out when i wrote this and i didn't realize till after i posted that there were 2 other pages to read :P sorry for the redundancy! Adding something worth reading.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Alright, curious to what you're gonna post now :P

How was your inner peace? I always feel "safer" and mellow. I like the pain killing properties and it really helps me sleep. the best part is it is NON-addictive. I can't think of another "natural" drug that is non-addictive, hell, even alcohol is addictive.

Yup, that's what I had. I had a muscle ache that passed, slept pretty well, felt mellow and chill.

Weed is kind of addictive, psychologically. It's especially the lifestyle that's addictive. I'm seeing it happen with my friends and me too. A lot of the time we're talking about weed, if we're not, we always manage to put some sublime references to weed here and there...
It just gives people a universal topic to talk about I guess, and everybody can talk on endlessly about their experiences and whatnot.

I don't think that's an addiction yet, (nobody smokes daily) but yeah, I see how it is kind of psychologically addictive when life seems boring as hell...

 

[boondockbabe]

yes. I just got done spending two weeks inside due to the weather- I got high every day. I was sooo bored and there was nothing to do.
I can go without it, but I would rather not. It knocks out my anexiety better than xanax ever could.
It's fun to hang out and talk weed. Its a safe topic and you are relaxed talking about it. Out here you have the secret inclusion also as it is not really legal. My buddy came over last week and practiced taking a bong rip with his nose for an hour- he finally succeeded.( It was cool-I had to tell about that)
Everybody has fun with the sublime references.4:20 is real popular out here- of corse I hear about it alot since my birthday is 4/20. I do enjoy the cultural part- as long as it dosen't get stupid. I like to smoke and be mellow but I am not interested in getting hammered and making an ass out of myself.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Yeah, exactly. It gets retarded when you start calling yourself 420Superbongman69 on the internet haha, you see that kind of stuff quite a lot.