Psychology of the beautiful gyal.

[Variform]

I am not sure a bell-curve would be 100% related to beauty. Because there are many people who are good looking by any standard that just can't find the right partner. And they go to dating sites too. So a dating site won't have only average looking people and everything considered below par.

 

[WALKYRIA]

Well here is why: Injustice; inequality; paradox.
--> Well yes, Girls are supposed to be biologically different from males.
--> But sociologically, psychologically.... they are theoretically the same according to our modern societies .( Here is where things go wrong).
--> The problem with that illogical statement is that it creates conflicts in the head of logically strong types : Girls are equal to men in everything except the obvious biological factors( body, can have kids, less strong). Yet when we enter the dating scene we realize that girl's experience of life differs drastically from the ones of males; and that although we are supposedly equal; we differ in the ways we choose date, interact with date, mating strategy..Etc.
Inequality in dating u said? Yes and that's what's saddening... at least if you have an acute sense of justice.( Many people( Seeens..OOORss) just conform to reality and accept easily the fact that girls can behave without reprehension in a way or another.). The reality is that women have the upper hand in relationships.

To sum up: Women with great qualities( physical as well as inner qualities) can theoretically have whoever they want; Men with great qualities are limited in their choices, they need not only to have great qualities, but they also need... MONEY and stability and power or high status.. etc... sad thing is that a women will rarely fall for a goodlooking man in the street. It's sad I think so. WHile we men fall all the time.



Note that although the injustice is saddening; I agree with the fct that this injustice is an evolutionary necessary artefact. We fucking need to deal with it... what sensors do perfectly.

 

[Base groove]

To sum up: Women with great qualities( physical as well as inner qualities) can theoretically have whoever they want;

whomever

 

[WALKYRIA]

No

 

[Base groove]

Yes it is absolutely whomever.

In that case the woman is the subject and the man she has sex with is the object so it is whomever.

She has sex with him; whoever she is can have sex with whomever she wants.


Also consider:

If you're unsure of the correct word, choose whoever; even when the objective whomever would be strictly correct, the whoever is at worst a casualism (in other words, not bad except in formal concepts).

http://grammar.about.com/od/alightersideofwriting/a/whoevergloss.htm

 

[EyeSeeCold]

 

[WALKYRIA]

ESC; don't be too harsh on BG... he's still young and inexperienced. He'll eventually learn.
You know what the description says about the INTP that corrects everybody.. Well I never did such a thing unless under stress... I find correcting people on lowly, insignificant details such a dis-gracious process. I mean, it makes you lose value in the eyes of others. ya know that Fe. Instead what I do instead is quietly and internally judging the person.. why vocalize.

BG: grammar is so S.... rules, rules and always rules... suck it if I forgot an M, no?
That's why although your remark is correct, I still don't agree... make sense? no? normal... that's fuzzy logic.

 

[Base groove]

ESC; don't be too harsh on BG... he's still young and inexperienced. He'll eventually learn. Young according to whom? Inexperienced with what? Money? Power? Sex? Certainly not correcting people - I have plenty of experience with that.

You know what the description says about the INTP that corrects everybody.. Well I never did such a thing unless under stress... (Haven't called myself an INTP in a long time) but still, not sure why this has bothered you..

I find correcting people on lowly, insignificant details such a dis-gracious process. I mean, it makes you lose value in the eyes of others. ya know that Fe. Instead what I do instead is quietly and internally judging the person.. why vocalize. Because if I hadn't vocalized you might not have known and then where am I at with Fe?

BG: grammar is so S.... rules, rules and always rules... suck it if I forgot an M, no? No. Perhaps you haven't understood why I pointed it out. Telling me to suck it over something like this is mean. I'd fight you.

That's why although your remark is correct, I still don't agree... make sense? no? normal... that's fuzzy logic. Yes, an excellent application of fuzzy logic here...

Why u gotta act like a baby over it?

 

[WALKYRIA]

dude, I'm not a native english speaker... I don't even speak english lol( I think in french, than google translation... grammar, what's that? ).I thought it was pretty obvious. I just love to ramble in english, I find the shakespeare language to be such an easy going language compared to my old snobbish french.



And yuh, I'm a baby... I know

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Also, there is always hope:

[bIMGx=300]http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/butthurt-dweller-married.jpg[/bIMGx]

A guy on reddit apparently proposed through memes, and if the internet is to be believed, the woman said yes.

Do you ever wonder if the people who are interested in you are ones you don't notice because they are also the ones who do not dare to approach you?

Seems like an excuse for why it seems like no one's interested in oneself (couldn't interest generate confidence to approach?). But I've encountered a few females doing the same eager staring thing that I tended to do, so I can understand the interested-yet-timid nature.

 

[Variform]

ESC; don't be too harsh on BG... he's still young and inexperienced. He'll eventually learn.
You know what the description says about the INTP that corrects everybody.. Well I never did such a thing unless under stress... I find correcting people on lowly, insignificant details such a dis-gracious process.

In school I had a friend who told me one day from that point on he would correct me on a mistake that is very commonly mad in my language. I agreed to that.
I am deeply grateful he took it upon himself to help me. He meant well. But it helps if there is agreement between helper and receiver of help.

He corrected me for a bit. And that was enough. I never make the mistake again. He helped me for life.
And others too, who would be around to hear him correct me.

 

[giumbai]

So, we men are usually attracted to girls that we don't understand, but think for a while, why do intelligent good looking women go for the stupid men (I'm saying usually, not every time, of course there are exception ). Because they want to understand them. Why do they do what they do. Of I think a little much more, I see that it's more complicated, not that what I've said it isan't true but because there are a lot of varieties, we can't just put everybody in the same area, there are many differences and they aren't so different then us, so why do we work so much in understanding all girls, we only need to understand the girl that we are interested in.
To conclude, just don't try understanding everything, because you will most likely spend your hole life thinking. So then go and have a chat with the girl you like, and see if you are compatible, next the attitude don't go and be like wow if I could be with her it will be like my dream come true, treat her like your sister or best friend or like a girl that you don't like or not interested in.

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[Klavierr]

Actually I'm already in what most would consider a, "fairytale" romance - and she's actually laughing her ass off right now having read your posts.

Yet I'm an awkward, not by any stretch an, "alpha" male and you know what? I've spent more effort trying to avoid relationships than I have trying to get into them.

So why are women attracted to me, if I'm not alpha? I intuitively reject these ideals of alpha because they go against who I am, and yet somehow, contrary to all of the great wisdom to be found on all those highly empirical and thoroughly researched manosphere websites and magazines - I have success with women that other people apparently find so hard.

And before people also jump on me because my situation is "not the majority/not common", I have to wholeheartedly agree with this.

I consider myself a pretty masculine-acting female. Men are comfortable around me, and I have lots of male friends. Why? Maybe it's because I'm a "butterface" and therefore not date material, but maybe it's also because they don't feel like they have to act so macho and try so hard to impress me because I am very similiar to them.

The men whom I have dated were all not very manly. They were all shy, reserved nerds who have a genuine desire for a date who they can get along and have fun with. My current boyfriend of 3 years has even expressed to me that he purposefully rejects expectations to be manly becuase he sees no point in doing so. He is just this shirt and jeans wearing, thin, frizzy haired, bespectacled nerdy self who isn't afraid of guarding the way he feels about things because he has to be the MAN.

And before I dated him, every girl in my friend group had a massive crush on him. Why? because he is somewhat effeminate, and therefore more similar to them. And the girls in my group all give zero about the qualities in a man that women are "supposed" to be biologically attracted to, beucase we've all dated somebody like that, and could never truely connect with them to have a meaningful relationship. So we learn what just isn't for us and seek out different things next time.

Although I know that by no stretch of the imagination does this mean either me or him will get people fawning all over us for romance, what i can say from my own experiences is that people who don't really care for society's expectations, and seek out others who are LIKE THEM, have a better chance of finding somebody who they can be happy with.

My criteria for dating is a mind-mate first and foremost, and somebody who can be RELAXED AROUND ME, and the relaxation bit usually involves dropping the carefully chistled image of the strong and silent brad pitt act.

 

[WALKYRIA]

My guess is that women are really a mystery. One girl alone is indolent. Things become dangerous when they unite and form a mass of batshit crazy chaotic irrationality... Like feminism and the like.
I find myself incapable to find any significant pattern in girls behaviour when in a relationship. It seems like they are constantly confronted to their paradoxical nature: they naturally want to mate with the best man( the alpha) ; but yet they love the weaker and passionated dude in the corner. What to do? How to choose? A man who will dominate them and remind them their weaker position in society or a malleable minion who will comfort her and support her views of the world ? What to choose?

We men are like: ok, give me the most beautiful and feminine gyal. Don't give a shit about IQ. As long as she knows how to treat a man good and keep the feelings high. Metaphorically; It seems like we men use women as the sole recipient for our progeniture to develop. Evolutionarily, we would want to find the most adapted recipient or receptor. I can see how women are not ok with being chosen for their sole quality of recipient. Smarts come later. U might note that not every men follow the instinctual pattern btw ; but not every men is in tune with their intuitions and instincts also .

In front of all these paradoxes. One could be lost. But WALK is there for you; I just found one technique to know what's the best way to choose a mate... SO: ask yourself this: Who would you choose in a situation of urgency? Would you really go for the ugly with great personnality?




Evolutionary psychology is really everywhere. I think human beings and human development and intelligence is bringing us towards an edge that we never reached before: The choice of following evolution and the rules of life( which are naturally the best !) - VS - the choice of making conscious choices( even if they imply breaking the evolutionary curve= devolution or perhaps stasis).

Anyway, ranting !

I wonder how relationships will evolve in the next generations... gosh !

 

[Polaris]

^ Luckily, most gyuys I know are not programmed brainwashed bimbos idiots like this...speak for yourself. If women are such a 'mystery' to you, just ask questions. You can have a conversation with a woman, you know. Mystery solved. Use your brain and women may use theirs in return.

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[WALKYRIA]

^ Luckily, most gyuys I know are not programmed brainwashed bimbos idiots like this...speak for yourself. If women are such a 'mystery' to you, just ask questions. You can have a conversation with a woman, you know. Mystery solved. Use your brain and women may use theirs in return.

SOrry, I'm so sorry girl... There are exceptions like yoooou baby !

And yes, I'm an idiot... when it comes to beauteyfawl women... I fall in love. Women are my kryptonite so how to keep it rational with them? They are such cute beings.

PS: And I'm sure most guys you know... wouldnt date you or you wouldnt date them. Keeping ones brain is such an easy thing to do when there's no attraction... Attraction is an irrational process in itself ! Consciously choosing to succumb or not is the rational process.

 

[Pyropyro]

SOrry, I'm so sorry girl... There are exceptions like yoooou baby !

And yes, I'm an idiot... when it comes to women... I fall in love. Women are my kryptonite so how to keep it rational with them? They are such cute beings.

You're not falling in love, you're lusting over and treating females as objects.

 

[Polaris]

PS: And I'm sure most guys you know... wouldnt date you or you wouldnt date them. Keeping ones brain is such an easy thing to do when there's no attraction... Attraction is an irrational process in itself ! Consciously choosing to succumb is the rational process.

Ah....aha....ahaha....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH!!!

*dries tears*

-Ahum...

-Please do excuse my outburst, momentary irrationality almost twisted my unattractive nerd-face into hideous unimaginable repulsiveness.

Erm, I think maybe you are making just a few small assumptions here. Aren't you a scientist or something?

Oh, Jeez....you made my day, thank you bebe

 

[Base groove]

He could be right about some things.

People are pretty quick to stomp on that kind of viewpoint around here, but that seems slightly irrational in itself, as he does make good points.

Perhaps, one needs to realize that just because a supposed or purported 'pattern' doesn't apply to them directly, doesn't invalidate its existence altogether.

I think W. could do a better job of being neutral if he's going to convey a natural human phenomenon, and in exchange, people who don't agree could do the same.

 

[Beowulf]

Haha i found this thread pretty amusing. I love beautiful gals and to be honest some guys just think that just because they are so beautiful they have to put them upon a pedestal and thats what kills there chances with anything higher then a 8.

 

[Polaris]

Actually, Alpha males do seem to exist, but they are kind of difficult to spot. The real deal, that is.

I used to go to nightclubs and such when living a more yuppie-like existence in the city, and I think I may have spotted a few. They were the ones that all the girls flocked around, or who got the attention from hungry eyes. So, yes sure, they may get those young girls for a night or whatever.

So in a pick-up scene, being Alpha is definitely advantageous.

Then go out on town on a Saturday morning and watch all the couples sitting in cafes with their kids. I don't see many Alpha males or females for that matter. Most of them seem quite average and contented in the safety of their little units. You see beautiful women with mostly average looking guys, the latter sometimes proudly flaunting a baby strapped to his chest, or jogging along with the three wheeler offroad-style pram. These guys look so happy and proud, it makes me smile.

Spoiler

I was in two long relationships with men both considered 'Alpha' by other women. After getting to know each other better the whole hyper-manly thing just disappeared. I ended up having to get either one of them out of serious trouble because they tried so hard to be Alpha, it nearly broke them (and me in the end). One went into full panic mode every time something went wrong, and the other could not cope with the masculine-type adventures he insisted on bringing me along to. I ended up having to take charge often when he lost the plot by pushing himself beyond what he was capable of.

We went on a pretty dangerous boat expedition; three guys and two women. After ten extremely physically taxing days out to sea in mostly stormy weather, everyone started neglecting their duties. Towards the end of the trip, the guys including the captain fell sleep beyond the four hour limit constantly. I ended up having to take the boat unassissted through very dangerous waters to get to safety. I taught myself sea-map reading and navigation on the spot. I hadn't slept for three days. There was extreme wind and high waves which made it nearly impossible to control the boat. I was stuck alone at the helm for ten hours, but barely noticed because I had to concentrate so hard. It didn't dawn on me until afterwards how dangerous the whole thing had been. When the captain finally woke, he came charging up in the steering house, and there was little Polaris humming and watching the gps intently. We were nearly home and in safer waters.

He never said a single derogatory thing about women around me afterwards, and my ex, the Alpha proudly let everyone know of his brave adventure as a sailor in some of the most treacherous waters in the arctic. I watched it happening several times.

But oh, the girls were impressed by him. What they didn't see was the person behind the brave facade; the frightened child begging for help and consolation. I think this is when I finally learnt to trust myself only and not let anyone take charge of my life, Alpha or not. I was barely 21 and from a pretty fucked up background. I learnt to see through bullshit with x-ray vision, which came in handy later.

So what happens with the male and female alphas? Do they all enter successful long term relationships just because of their superficial evolutionary 'correct' traits?

Does it guarantee success?

Probably in a nightclub, most definitely yes. So, if that kind of life is what is desired, go be an Alpha; do all the recipe things that will give you girls.

Or could there be more to it?

 

[Variform]

I think such 'alpha's can be as happy with their baby on the chest or in the buggy as less divine men.
One cannot assume that an alpha man doesn't find himself a wife. In that ultra-cool girl that stole his heart and tamed him. As she flocked around him in that club. With all the other girls surrounding him.

Make sure you are looking at 'buggy-men' with straight eyes. Was this a tamed alpha? Are you sure you spot the difference?

 

[WALKYRIA]

ok; alpha is situational.

 

[Cavallier]

This thread should have been closed ages ago. It promotes hate mongering and was born out of chauvinism.