Psychology of the beautiful gyal.

[redbaron]

Assertiveness, dominance, confidence, leadership, charisma, physical strength, status, power, money (not necessarily for its monetary value but for the status and power that come from that), etc... All women find those traits attractive to one degree or another regardless of social class.

How fucking brainwashed are you?

 

[TimeAsylums]

Assertiveness, dominance, confidence, leadership, charisma, physical strength, status, power, money (not necessarily for its monetary value but for the status and power that come from that), etc... All women find those traits attractive to one degree or another regardless of social class.

How fucking brainwashed are you?

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lel, to Affinity, this^ is the world we live in

We should also head over to http://forum.bodybuilding.com for arguments on how only "real" women are attracted to guys that lift, bro.

 

[Affinity]

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lel, to Affinity, this^ is the world we live in

We should also head over to http://forum.bodybuilding.com for arguments on how only "real" women are attracted to guys that lift, bro.

No, they're just attracted to the dudes complaining about how they can't seem to get a piece of pussy online.

 

[Pyropyro]

It would help if women were more inclined to speak up and offer their perspective, I am pretty sure there are lots of guys that would be willing to listen. There is a trend/pressure for them to be intellectually repressed from what I've experienced.

They do speak up and offer their perspectives, IRL. They just need to find a safe place to do so. Having dinner with many girls will offer you insights.

You also should ensure that you're there to listen and not just to get inside their pants.

 

[TimeAsylums]

No, they're just attracted to the dudes complaining about how they can't seem to get a piece of pussy online.

Your mom is attr-...! wait no, but why do I feel like that's where this thread is/was (the whole time) heading...?

You also should ensure that you're there to listen and not just to get inside their pants.

I wanna listen..too dat poosay

I wanna listen...to her skream in high c

I wanna listen...to my **** in her mouth

 

[Affinity]

How fucking brainwashed are you?

If you been reading carefully, I'm arguing on behalf of self improvement, which may entail manning the fuck up if you are a male.

If you think you can sit on your ass and have some fairytale romance fall in your lap, you're the one that's brainwashed.

 

[TimeAsylums]

manning the fuck up

I just bought a lifetime subscription to MensHealth, AskMen, MakeYourDickBigger69, BodyBuildingOrgasms

will get back results l8r

also trying jelqing, I heard it wokrz

Im also taking synthetic testosterone and 9800g of protein with every meal


I figure I can show my physical strength either in sports, or by dominating her in an unrapelike manner, or by arm wrestling her, or by having her spot my 5 plates that I bench

 

[Affinity]

I just bought a lifetime subscription to MensHealth, AskMen, MakeYourDickBigger69, BodyBuildingOrgasms

will get back results l8r

also trying jelqing, I heard it wokrz

Im also taking synthetic testosterone and 9800g of protein with every meal


I figure I can show my physical strength either in sports, or by dominating her in an unrapelike manner, or by arm wrestling her, or by having her spot my 5 plates that I bench

I've already explained my position, you're the one taking it to the extreme. Feel free to re-read or better yet contribute. But I guess every fairy tale needs it's hero.

 

[TimeAsylums]

I've already explained my position, you're the one taking it to the extreme. Feel free to re-read or better yet contribute.

Assertiveness, dominance, confidence, leadership, charisma, physical strength, status, power, money (not necessarily for its monetary value but for the status and power that come from that), etc... All women find those traits attractive to one degree or another regardless of social class.

Most of these traits stand alone do not have to have a negative implication or connotation as you have previously said -> There is nothing inherently bad about being assertive or having confidence or being charismatic or having leadership traits.

I ridicule you because you have assumed that "self betterment" entails "manning up," and you having some elementary binary thought on the psychology of males and females being 0 and 1

I'm arguing on behalf of self improvement, which may entail manning the fuck up if you are a male.

 

[Affinity]

I ridicule you because you have assumed that "self betterment" entails "manning up," and you having some elementary binary thought on the psychology of males and females being 0 and 1

May entail

 

[TimeAsylums]

May entail

From your strong and forthcoming advocation of the previously mentioned tactics/traits it is a very strong may

Women are women, men are men, and equality is bullshit.

it is just not the way it should be.

go to the gym

work on other alpha traits.

At the end of the day you'll be a better man and the added bonus of being more attractive to the opposite sex.

I am concerned with Hetero relationships and amplifying the contrast between men and women.

How society, feminism, and generations of children raised by their mothers are reversing those roles and reducing that contrast.

Want to be more attractive to the opposite sex? Create more disparity.

 

[Pyropyro]

I wanna listen..too dat poosay

I wanna listen...to her skream in high c

I wanna listen...to my **** in her mouth

TA, you're that weird and annoying little brother than I never had. In fairness, you do act a lot like my former ENTP roommate.

 

[TimeAsylums]

TA, you're that weird and annoying little brother than I never had. In fairness, you do act a lot like my former ENTP roommate.

Mix in a little absurdity with the logic every now and then

shake things up

have fun

I like to push boundaries/stereotypes

I'LL FUCKEN DO IT JUS' TO PROVE YER WRONG!

 

[Base groove]

As a generalization I'd surmise that Affinity has been pretty much dead on accurate through the duration of this thread. Though the results may not be pleasing to a small group of people in an immediate time frame (such as Adaire, TimeAsylums and RedBaron, here and now), it doesn't matter - because statistically it is going to improve your odds in the long run with a maximized/optimized percentage of the population, if you follow most of his advice.

The fact that this is even under dispute based on the inexperienced and immature notions of sexuality that characterize 'young adults', particularly those with an interest in polyamory or alternative lifestyles, is totally ludicrous as it ignores probably 70-80% of the population.


....which is a losing gamble.

 

[TimeAsylums]

As a generalization I'd surmise that Affinity has been pretty much dead on accurate through the duration of this thread. Though the results may not be pleasing to a small group of people in an immediate time frame (such as Adaire and Red Baron, here and now), it doesn't matter - because statistically it is going to improve your odds in the long run with a maximized/optimized percentage of the population, if you follow most of his advice.

The fact that this is even under dispute based on the inexperienced and immature notions of sexuality that characterize 'young adults', particularly those with an interest in polyamory or alternative lifestyles, is totally ludicrous as it ignores probably 70% of the population.


....which is a losing gamble.

I do concur, but the question is do you really want those results(women) that *only* respond to these traits? If the answer is yes, well den keep on keepin' on.

Would others be fine with that outcome? Absolutely,

just not me personally.

 

[Base groove]

I do concur, but the question is do you really want those that *only* respond to those traits? If the answer is yes, well den keep on keepin' on.

Fair enough, but it's not about them 'only' responding to these traits, it's about these traits "attracting" them.

If you can't attract somebody from across the room then ... forget it, fucking learn how.

Be an individual all you want; most people aren't as stupid and shallow as they're made out to be. Most people are rather decent. Most people need to be attracted to you, most people are attracted to certain things ... like a nice body or pleasant demeanor or adventurous attitude or confidence....

How come this topic gets quashed like this so quickly? Some ornery broads come around with their dusty old cooches all sour and crusty because they can't attract anybody either, and next thing you know it's all 'shame on you' for being this way,... the fact is both sexes are hurling their frustrations at each other and it's completely unfair to everybody and altogether unproductive. Shame on all of you.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Fair enough, but it's not about them 'only' responding to these traits, it's about these traits "attracting" them.

If you can't attract somebody from across the room then ... forget it, fucking learn how.

Ye, I said the same on page 1

It's pretty obvious that at least initial human attraction may be entirely off of physical appearance (by definition "superficial" - simply denotation). People aren't entirely (as far as I'm aware...well maybe some people LOL) their physical features. Which is why we get to know people after that. As for those who can't get past the initial stage? Meh, oh well. (lol jk).

Be an individual all you want; most people aren't as stupid and shallow as they're made out to be. Most people are rather decent. Most people need to be attracted to you, most people are attracted to certain things ... like a nice body or pleasant demeanor or adventurous attitude or confidence....

Of course, people are attracted to certain things, and maybe (very likely) those things Affinity mentioned, I agree they weren't "inherently" bad, just when taken to extremes

How come this topic gets quashed like this so quickly? Some ornery broads come around with their dusty old cooches all sour and crusty because they can't attract anybody either, and next thing you know it's all 'shame on you' for being this way,... the fact is both sexes are hurling their frustrations at each other and it's completely unfair to everybody and altogether unproductive. Shame on all of you.

My main qualm would be with:

Women are women, men are men, and equality is bullshit.

it is just not the way it should be.

"do wut works"

You can't argue with results

 

[redbaron]

If you been reading carefully, I'm arguing on behalf of self improvement, which may entail manning the fuck up if you are a male.

If you think you can sit on your ass and have some fairytale romance fall in your lap, you're the one that's brainwashed.

Actually I'm already in what most would consider a, "fairytale" romance - and she's actually laughing her ass off right now having read your posts.

I've never wanted to bring up my own personal successes or failures in relationships, because it's completely irrelevant to these topics. Yet I'm an awkward, not by any stretch an, "alpha" male and you know what? I've spent more effort trying to avoid relationships than I have trying to get into them.

So why are women attracted to me, if I'm not alpha? I intuitively reject these ideals of alpha because they go against who I am, and yet somehow, contrary to all of the great wisdom to be found on all those highly empirical and thoroughly researched manosphere websites and magazines - I have success with women that other people apparently find so hard.

As for your perception of how children raised by their mothers breeds effeminate men? Empirical reaearch says the opposite. There's about 40 years of it. When I have access to a PC again I'll provide all of it. But here's a basic summary:

In countries where paternal and maternal leave are both given, and men are hugely encouraged to be involved in child-rearing: the gender lines are actually the most blurred of all. Men in Scandinavia and China are more effeminate than ever.

And you know what else is curious? If you go back 70 years when Christian values were so prolific, men were as, "alpha" as ever. But why, when the prevailing attitude at that time was that women were care-givers and that men were breadwinners? Women did all the child-rearing, and somehow produced all these alpha males.

However now in modern society that those lines are blurred and men are more than before involved in child-rearing, men are becoming more effeminate.

The studies point out that it has to do with the fact that children with involvement from both parents actually become comfortable with both sides of societal gender preconceptions - and are able to find their own, natural equilibrium along that scale.

Also, men with absentee fathers are far more likely to join the military. That's weird right? Kids who are raised by females, typically pursue some of the most commonly considered, "alpha" careers.

So don't give me this bullshit about how women raising men is what causes effeminate behaviour.

 

[TimeAsylums]

The studies point out that it has to do with the fact that children with involvement from both parents actually become comfortable with both sides of societal gender preconceptions - and are able to find their own, natural equilibrium along that acale.

So don't give me this bullshit about how women raising men is what causes effeminate behaviour.

Women are taking on more masculine traits, men are becoming more feminine and it is just not the way it should be.

Affinity believes he knows the way "it should be." Because there totally exists a way that human gender should be.

 

[Polaris]

They do speak up and offer their perspectives, IRL. They just need to find a safe place to do so. Having dinner with many girls will offer you insights.

Psychology of the Beautiful Girl

 

[Pyropyro]

Psychology of the Beautiful Girl

Agreed. Name-calling and cat-calling should not be a part of a reasonable discussion.

 

[Affinity]

Actually I'm already in what most would consider a, "fairytale" romance - and she's actually laughing her ass off right now having read your posts.

I've never wanted to bring up my own personal successes or failures in relationships, because it's completely irrelevant to these topics. Yet I'm an awkward, not by any stretch an, "alpha" male and you know what? I've spent more effort trying to avoid relationships than I have trying to get into them.

So why are women attracted to me, if I'm not alpha? I intuitively reject these ideals of alpha because they go against who I am, and yet somehow, contrary to all of the great wisdom to be found on all those highly empirical and thoroughly researched manosphere websites and magazines - I have success with women that other people apparently find so hard.

I couldn't tell you that, I don't even know you. You could be Zac Efron's twin for all I know.

As for your perception of how children raised by their mothers breeds effeminate men? Empirical reaearch says the opposite. There's about 40 years of it. When I have access to a PC again I'll provide all of it. But here's a basic summary:

In countries where paternal and maternal leave are both given, and men are hugely encouraged to be involved in child-rearing: the gender lines are actually the most blurred of all. Men in Scandinavia and China are more effeminate than ever.

And you know what else is curious? If you go back 70 years when Christian values were so prolific, men were as, "alpha" as ever. But why, when the prevailing attitude at that time was that women were care-givers and that men were breadwinners? Women did all the child-rearing, and somehow produced all these alpha males.

However now in modern society that those lines are blurred and men are more than before involved in child-rearing, men are becoming more effeminate.

The studies point out that it has to do with the fact that children with involvement from both parents actually become comfortable with both sides of societal gender preconceptions - and are able to find their own, natural equilibrium along that scale.

Also, men with absentee fathers are far more likely to join the military. That's weird right? Kids who are raised by females, typically pursue some of the most commonly considered, "alpha" careers.

So don't give me this bullshit about how women raising men is what causes effeminate behaviour.

I don't wish to go in-depth with this at the moment. You've read studies, I've read studies. You say men raised by single mom tend to join the army because you think they turned out alpha, I say men raised by single moms join the army because they crave discipline and to learn from male figures (read father figures). It's why programs like Big Brothers exists. And it's pretty well documented that having both parents involved is the best. My goal was to help other males better themselves by taking on more alpha trait (under the assumption that they already carry plenty of beta traits). You see, one can possess both alpha and beta traits, it's not one or the other. As @Base groove nicely put, if you can't attract the types of women you want to be with, work on attraction/being attractive. I'm just offering a method.

 

[Jennywocky]

These discussions get silly when people just make suppositions without being willing to support them. After all, now we can make up whatever reason for anything -- such as men joining the army because they have deep-seated homoerotic feelings. The discussion is worthless without discussing the underlying reasoning.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Hey don't discount yourself Jenny!
The latent homoerotic feelings theory could be valid.

 

[redbaron]

And it's pretty well documented that having both parents involved is the best.

No disagreement.

Except that having both parents involved does not create gender disparity, which is the thing you seem to crave. It actually produces blurred gender lines. All you have to do is look at Norway (and other Scandinavian countries), where both maternal and paternal leave are granted in equal measure - and both parents are encouraged to be part of child-rearing.

There's less gender disparity in those parts of the world than anywhere else. There's women scientists and engineers, and male nurses, kindergarten teachers and other professions that are seen as, "feminine". The point that I was highlighting was not that both parents shouldn't be involved, but that it's exactly that process (which we both agree is beneficial) that causes blurred gender-lines.

Which is what you seem to not understand. On one hand you push for disparity between genders, and say that it's "just not right" for women to be masculine. But on the other hand you advocate dual-parent involvement and its benefits.

And yet in all of the cultures that provide dual-parent involvement - women have very masculine traits and men have very feminine traits. But according to you this is, "just not right".

Hence why people are ridiculing your ideas, because you clearly have no real fucking understanding of them.

 

[Pyropyro]

Hey don't discount yourself Jenny!
The latent homoerotic feelings theory could be valid.

INTPf's law: Given time, any thread will devolve into yaoi

 

[The Gopher]

So THAT'S why I was thinking of joining the army. It all makes sense now.

Also I don't think we should be so emotional or aggressive when people have different world views to "us". Particularly since Cog asked people to share their world views. Sometimes I feel I'm the least emotional person on the forum. This includes people in relationships as just because it worked for one person doesn't mean you know everything. (the main point is everyone is different and everyone you meet will react slightly differently.[That said don't ignore people that talk about statistical advantage it is true that statistically being a certain way might help but what does it help you get and do you want that?])

I do agree with bettering yourself *cough* I said it first *cough* but not primarily with the intent of finding a mate. That might mean becoming even more cute and adorable.... (although that would be hard for me #humble) or becoming stronger, whatever floats your boat.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

Speaking to the OP, there is no psychology of the beautiful gyal. There is only the interplay of male and female. An urge for most to find and choose, willingly who suits us. The judgements made are personal (as they should be). The only thing important is allowing space and respecting choice. No coercion or expectations. If the 'holy grail' of love is freely given love, then I simply follow my wants and desires allowing a perspective lover freedom to choose me or not. It's a 'win-win' strategy. By definition, if what I want is to be desired by my desired, then I'll win either way. They will either choose to be with me or I'll/they will get an opportunity to find some one that does. Beauty is neither here nor there.

 

[The Gopher]

INTPf's law: Given time, any thread will devolve into yaoi

Do I hear the Yaoi/Yuri thread getting bumped? Or the start of forum members as Anime characters? You decide.

 

[Pyropyro]

Do I hear the Yaoi/Yuri thread getting bumped? Or the start of forum members as Anime characters? You decide.

Since you started the Pokemon thread, why not start an anime character thread as well?

 

[Pyropyro]

Also I don't think we should be so emotional or aggressive when people have different world views to "us". Particularly since Cog asked people to share their world views. Sometimes I feel I'm the least emotional person on the forum.

We are emotional in the forum because INTPf is a safe place for us to express emotions. An INTP who expresses intense emotions in front of you in real life might be having a crisis or just really, really trust you.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

ITT: Everyone is being EMO

 

[Jennywocky]

ITT: Everyone is being EMO

OMFG NO WE'RE NOT I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!! OHMYFLARKINGSPAGHETTIMONSTER


... I think it's so cute that some people suggested all the INTPs on site are flipping out because they TRUST EACH OTHER. It's so... togetherly.

 

[Pyropyro]

OMFG NO WE'RE NOT I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!!! OHMYFLARKINGSPAGHETTIMONSTER


... I think it's so cute that some people suggested all the INTPs on site are flipping out because they TRUST EACH OTHER. It's so... togetherly.

I meant INTP's IRL but uh... I don't want to ruin the forum's Feriendship.

 

[The Gopher]

Well they trust each other to not know who each other is :P

 

[Kuu]

Cog. Stop whining. Ignore females. Acquire currency. And periods, use them.

Do you ever wonder if the people who are interested in you are ones you don't notice because they are also the ones who do not dare to approach you?

The first time I thought about this some years ago, I shat bricks. I still do. I think I missed out on a couple of fun things because of such a scenario. And judging by my latest experiences with people being attracted to me it seems the likelihood of this happening to me is very high.

See, wtf?! The only people I get hot with are guys online whose faces I'll never see!

I'm doomed to virtual sexing for eternity.

I'm pretty certain there were some TimeAsylum videos somewhere around here...

Anyway, I agree with Jenny on that one must simply focus on oneself. Become self-secure, as Kuu mentioned elsewhere, become comfortable with being alone. Because being alone does not have to equal loneliness, for you can be surrounded by people and still be lonely.

You mean someone actually reads that adviceKuu drivel?

I will never feel alone in a crowd again

 

[Cherry Cola]

As a generalization I'd surmise that Affinity has been pretty much dead on accurate through the duration of this thread. Though the results may not be pleasing to a small group of people in an immediate time frame (such as Adaire, TimeAsylums and RedBaron, here and now), it doesn't matter - because statistically it is going to improve your odds in the long run with a maximized/optimized percentage of the population, if you follow most of his advice.

The fact that this is even under dispute based on the inexperienced and immature notions of sexuality that characterize 'young adults', particularly those with an interest in polyamory or alternative lifestyles, is totally ludicrous as it ignores probably 70-80% of the population.


....which is a losing gamble.

His argument lacks any form of nuance. It does not consider that prestige varies from culture to culture and from person to person. If "manning up" is used in a much broader sense though..

 

[Base groove]

His argument lacks any form of nuance. It does not consider that prestige varies from culture to culture and from person to person. If "manning up" is used in a much broader sense though..

That is exactly what makes it applicable...

It's global. It disregards cultural differences because they are transcended by gender differences.

Gender differences are innate. People may try to cognitively overcome them or may profess susceptibility to deviance, but on the general level, or a global scale, the advice is sound, because everything averages out.

Arguments against statistical averaging, such as that levied by The Gopher, are necessarily individual value judgements that reflect the localized fuzziness that happens when you zoom in from a global theory all the way to a magnification of one person. Any broad theory loses most of its applicability if its tested on an individual level (Te \ / \ / \ / Fi).

So what good does this "globalized" advice do for somebody who is in a different culture with individual wants and needs? Well, quite a lot, if you consider that he is a man in a sea of men. An average man who wants an average life with an average woman, will, on average, benefit from "manosphere" or "PUA" or whatever else people want to call it. Who gives a fuck what other people are up to or why they do it? You can't generalize that kind of attitude the same way you can generalize the results. Attitude is a subjective factor, but results, in this perspective, are purely objective.

If you consider him Cognisant; the man with thousands of posts, the condescending bastard who constantly thinks about AI, 3d printing, philosophy, the necrodermis, ... etc, then suddenly any broadly applicable theory becomes fuzzy on the edges and may not be applicable at all. This, I believe, is the point Gopher was trying to make, which I would suggest perfectly illustrates Fi dominance.

 

[Cognisant]

Cog. Stop whining. Ignore females. Acquire currency. And periods, use them.

Funnily enough I reckon I know what periods are like, this one time I ate too many nuts and too little fibre and the resulting turd went through my large intestine like a couple of smashed up bricks, it hurt like hell and I passed an alarming amount of blood, I mean alarming by the standards of someone who used to wake up with a bloody mohawk after having nosebleeds during the night.

Of course like any real man I was willing to die on the toilet rather than go to hospital.

So ladies, I understand.

Spoiler

 

[Jennywocky]

Funnily enough I reckon I know what periods are like, this one time I ate too many nuts and too little fibre and the resulting turd went through my large intestine like a couple of smashed up bricks, it hurt like hell and I passed an alarming amount of blood, I mean alarming by the standards of someone who used to wake up with a bloody mohawk after having nosebleeds during the night.

I had that issue once. I finally went to the hospital because of the pain and, while waiting for 90 minutes to see a doctor, passed the stupid thing in the lavatory there. Blood in the toilet, etc. But before that happened, I honestly thought I was going to rupture and die there on the floor.

But it was less like a period and more like labor -- trying to have a baby too big to come out. My body kept trying to push it out but couldn't. (Thank god we didn't have to do a c-section for my li'l tar baby.)

Right after I came out, they called me to the counter, took my blood pressure and temperature... and then I said I had resolved the problem and went home.

 

[Cognisant]

Mine passed fine, it was the stabbing pains I had all day prior that hurt.

Good thing the intestinal lining grows back so fast.

 

[Cherry Cola]

That is exactly what makes it applicable...

It's global. It disregards cultural differences because they are transcended by gender differences.

Gender differences are innate. People may try to cognitively overcome them or may profess susceptibility to deviance, but on the general level, or a global scale, the advice is sound, because everything averages out.

Arguments against statistical averaging, such as that levied by The Gopher, are necessarily individual value judgements that reflect the localized fuzziness that happens when you zoom in from a global theory all the way to a magnification of one person. Any broad theory loses most of its applicability if its tested on an individual level (Te \ / \ / \ / Fi).

So what good does this "globalized" advice do for somebody who is in a different culture with individual wants and needs? Well, quite a lot, if you consider that he is a man in a sea of men. An average man who wants an average life with an average woman, will, on average, benefit from "manosphere" or "PUA" or whatever else people want to call it. Who gives a fuck what other people are up to or why they do it? You can't generalize that kind of attitude the same way you can generalize the results. Attitude is a subjective factor, but results, in this perspective, are purely objective.

If you consider him Cognisant; the man with thousands of posts, the condescending bastard who constantly thinks about AI, 3d printing, philosophy, the necrodermis, ... etc, then suddenly any broadly applicable theory becomes fuzzy on the edges and may not be applicable at all. This, I believe, is the point Gopher was trying to make, which I would suggest perfectly illustrates Fi dominance.

There is no place globally where there is not a culture. Sex games are always played out in accordance with some culture's specific ideas. Human beings evolved to be adaptive animals, their ideals change in accordance with their milieu. This generalized sexuality you speak of is an abstraction, one with merit if it is understood though.

 

[Affinity]

No disagreement.

Except that having both parents involved does not create gender disparity, which is the thing you seem to crave. It actually produces blurred gender lines. All you have to do is look at Norway (and other Scandinavian countries), where both maternal and paternal leave are granted in equal measure - and both parents are encouraged to be part of child-rearing.

There's less gender disparity in those parts of the world than anywhere else. There's women scientists and engineers, and male nurses, kindergarten teachers and other professions that are seen as, "feminine". The point that I was highlighting was not that both parents shouldn't be involved, but that it's exactly that process (which we both agree is beneficial) that causes blurred gender-lines.

Which is what you seem to not understand. On one hand you push for disparity between genders, and say that it's "just not right" for women to be masculine. But on the other hand you advocate dual-parent involvement and its benefits.

And yet in all of the cultures that provide dual-parent involvement - women have very masculine traits and men have very feminine traits. But according to you this is, "just not right".

Hence why people are ridiculing your ideas, because you clearly have no real fucking understanding of them.

So you're telling me that with dual parenting the lines are blurred, yet with single parenting, the lines are more balanced? What are you making this basis off of? All because you believe that more men are joining the services that were raised by single mothers that it somehow positively correlates that they are exhibiting more alpha traits? That a country having men and women in non-conventional gender occupations somehow supports what you say?

Generation raised by women refers to increase of children being raised without a father which is approximately 1 out of 3 in the US. Do you really believe a women can teach her son about masculinity better than the kids father can? The studies I've read shows that a male growing up is better off with 2 parents but if it came down to 1 parent, the father would be the better bet. Unless the father possesses absolutely no alpha traits, dual parenting wouldn't make the lines blurred as you say, but balanced. The same thing I'm advocating for when I say take on more alpha traits, return to baseline.

 

[Brontosaurie]

can't you guys just stop bickering about and be right instead?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

 

[Minuend]

I dont know wat we are doing

 

[Minuend]

Spoiler

[bIMGx=400]http://www.intpforum.com/picture.php?albumid=379&pictureid=2314[/bIMGx]

Latte asks me this every day

 

[EyeSeeCold]

none of you guys' image links are showing

nvm, they're all TimeAsylum's album pics.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

 

[EyeSeeCold]