Psychiatrist

[Toad]

You should go see a psychologist. Even if there is nothing wrong with you. You can see how they work and ask them questions. It's always nice to have someone to talk to too. They can give you new perspectives.

 

[Lobstrich]

You should go see a psychologist. Even if there is nothing wrong with you. You can see how they work and ask them questions. It's always nice to have someone to talk to too. They can give you new perspectives.

All my prior sessions have been forced ones.

But I'm thinking of going to a psychologist to explore myself.
I basically want to analyze my own mind with a proffessional.
I want to know why I think this and why I think that etc.
And yes.. I could end my sessions by going "hey, what DO you actually do?" Hehe.

 

[Lobstrich]

But inferior does not mean "not serious at all". Loosing an arm is inferior to loosing both legs and arms, but it doesn't mean it can't be a painful experience still.

Disrespectful.. You know, you don't always have the whole story. If a person is overwhelmingly depressed about something you find trivial, maybe there's something more to it that they're not telling. Maybe it's just the most recent event in a very tragic story. Of course there are "drama queens". But you never know for certain. Overwhelming drama queen- behavior might even be a symptom of a mental disease. Which might come from abusive parents or so.

I wonder, though. If emos were being emo together and you never heard of their "whining", would it be okay for them to be emos? Or do you find just the idea of some emos gathering 'round and whining annoying?

Seems to me like the thing that actually annoys you, are people who crave emotional attention. And to you, emos are the ultimate symbol of people who do so.



I don't really know how psychologist work, but do they comfort much? Don't they just ask questions and try having the client finding their own truth to create a better self-image? Like:
pasient: I look like crap
psych: what makes you think that? How does that make you feel? =]

Though, you need a lot of pasience to be a psychologist. There are people who are able to annoy you in a hundred different ways. But as you grow more self-aware, I think you are more able to control your annoyance. It's also requires some practice. If you tell yourself you are annoyed, you definitely will be so.



Actually, that wasn't my intention. I just meant that you talk about being INTP and different. But what I saw was the opinion of someone who was the "same". And by "same" I mean the intolerance of people who are different. That's not a type-thing, everybody has the capacity to be intolerant. It's quite a common phenomenon. I was rather trying to encourage you to understand how the pieces fit together. You came off way more oblivious in your first posts. But seeing as you're actually processing peoples' inputs (didn't seem like you did at first), I think it was unnecessary.



I meant research, yes. It's very entertaining. I find various personality disorders very intriguing. Depression too is a favorite subject of mine. It's easier to see the bigger picture when you know more.

I have still not figured out multi-quote.. Could someone help me out? (i tryed clicking the obvious "multi-quote" button, but it still just quoted normally.

Anyway. I agree alot on your first part. That 1 arm is inferior to two arms.
So why should the guy with 1 arm not be able to be sad?
Absolutely true. But that wasn't what I was saying really (Or rather, what I was thinking... It usually deviates from what I type, hehe)

The emo part is wrong from your side. I pretty much dislike people who seek into groups (Again, I'm not saying that you can't have gatherings, and common interest.. Just making sure. You guys have been taking me way to literally)

I just believe that a person should be the unique 'flower' that one is. And not clinge to some stupid idea of what "normal" or "anti-mainstream" Or "Hippie" is etc. I have no grudge against hippies at all. I just don't think you should go around and smoke pot in psychedelic T-shirts. If you dislike both.
You should walk around in whatever the fuck YOU want. And not what you emo,hippie,prep,jocks walk in. Unless you really like it. Obviously most of them will say they like it. But why do you like it? Because it gives you a sense of not being alone, not being special, not being the one looked at. Because you are part of a crowd. THATS why you like it.
Unlike me.. I walk in what i want, I have slim jeans. A Fred perry jacket. A hoodie, baggy jeans, a T-shirt with Jimi on it. I've had faux hair, spiky hair, and now I just have long hair, (my avatar) etc. Because, that is what I LIKE. And NOT what helps me get through the day. In fact it's doing the opposite. I'm not trendy enough for the pop people, I'm too trendy for the geeks (even though I'm a major geek) I'm too sloppy for the jocks. I'm far to energetic for the hippies. And I have absolutely NO group to be part of. Basically because nobody wants me, or they think I do not want them.
And I don't. I have my friends, and those are the ones I like being with.

I don't know if I mentioned it. But I have a friend who is pretty much a girl. fake tanned, bleached hair etc. One who is stereotype geek, greasy hair, zits in pretty much his whole face. And even a guy who's out drinking every weekend, he's what you would call a troublemaker. He picks fights, do drugs. And is a total douche bag. Another friend is one of those glam people, she has those weird skinny plastic pants (Ever heard of "Alphabeat"? That's how she looks)
And yet another is pretty much like me. She changes her style everytime I see her. But they are all cool guys, that I love being with. Because we have common INTERESTS. And that's where my groups come in.

It's cool if you want to do live roleplaying. That's a common interest, so is gaming, so is skiing. And so is table tennis. It's a hobby you have because you enjoy it for what it is. And not something you enjoy because it helps you be part of something or something you do because it's what 'your group' does.

Wow.. That was alooot of useless writing. But I think I spelled it out quite clearly now, haha!


And yes your last thing is actually true.
People who crave, expect and want emotional ATTENTION annoy me.
I don't hate them -_-
And the reason I put caps on that is because there is a difference between attention and help. And when you cry just to get attention. That annoys me.
On the other hand.. People that have lost someone, and want help dealing with it is cool by me. It's not their fault that they aren't developed enough to deal with it themselves, and they need someone to say "hey, it's going to be all right" (They aren't developed in MY opinion.. Just saying)
And those people that want help and soothing just for sake of getting attention. They truly annoy me, not only are THEY whiners. They also disrespect the people that are in actual NEED for help and soothing.
And those people are the kind of people I'm talking about when I say whiners.


I'm not quite sure about your very last part. Was it unnecessary that you pointed out that I didn't sound like and INTP because you can see that I am actually reading and processing what you're all saying? Or what were you saying? I don't quite get it ^^


(Sorry for all the typos and weird sentences. It happens when I have alot on my mind. I just type and type and rarely check how it looks. And I never read it through just to clean out typos. That would be a waste of my precious time)

 

[BigApplePi]

I have still not figured out multi-quote.. Could someone help me out? (i tryed clicking the obvious "multi-quote" button, but it still just quoted normally.

Hi Lobstrich. You mean like this post? Let me see if I can guide you.
1. Hit QUOTE that you see at the bottom right. Do you see what you get? There is a QUOTE with the name and another at the bottom with a front slash. I take it that's what you need to break up.
2. Select what you want to quote as part of the break up. Copy the slash quote exactly as at the bottom to end your quote. Then say your piece.
3. For the next section put a QUOTE at the beginning. Don't forget the [ ] around QUOTE. Say your thing. There is a slash quote already at the end.

4. There is a shortcut to this. Just highlight what you wish to quote. Then click on the icon just to the right of the #. That will automatically wrap quotes around the highlighted portion.
5. Play with it until you get it right.
6. I didn't proof read these instructions so they could be "off" a little. Try them out.

People who crave, expect and want emotional ATTENTION annoy me.
I don't hate them -_-

I just got back from a trip. So I am not quite psyched up to respond to this. Here is a try: You are not ready to be a psychologist if this annoys you. It would interfere with your objective view of them. It's up to you to find out why you are annoyed and how you wish to play it. People DO have the right to crave attention. The problem is it might take away from YOU if YOU crave attention. Don't know. I'd have to ask you. Maybe I will ask you. Wait until I decide.





Okay I'm ready. Do YOU wish attention? It's okay if you do.

 

[Jesin]

(After you click the multiquote button on all but one of the posts you want to quote, you have to click the "quote" button on the last one, I think.)

 

[Lobstrich]

Hi Lobstrich. You mean like this post? Let me see if I can guide you.
1. Hit QUOTE that you see at the bottom right. Do you see what you get? There is a QUOTE with the name and another at the bottom with a front slash. I take it that's what you need to break up.
2. Select what you want to quote as part of the break up. Copy the slash quote exactly as at the bottom to end your quote. Then say your piece.
3. For the next section put a QUOTE at the beginning. Don't forget the [ ] around QUOTE. Say your thing. There is a slash quote already at the end.

4. There is a shortcut to this. Just highlight what you wish to quote. Then click on the icon just to the right of the #. That will automatically wrap quotes around the highlighted portion.
5. Play with it until you get it right.
6. I didn't proof read these instructions so they could be "off" a little. Try them out.
I just got back from a trip. So I am not quite psyched up to respond to this. Here is a try: You are not ready to be a psychologist if this annoys you. It would interfere with your objective view of them. It's up to you to find out why you are annoyed and how you wish to play it. People DO have the right to crave attention. The problem is it might take away from YOU if YOU crave attention. Don't know. I'd have to ask you. Maybe I will ask you. Wait until I decide.





Okay I'm ready. Do YOU wish attention? It's okay if you do.

I must admit that your reply disappoints me.. Oh well, here is my reply.


No. I do not. But I wish to manifest who i am.
For example. I dislike techno and my dad is a drug addict.
But I don't walk around and tell that to everyone.
I do not go like "Aww yeah, that kind of reminds me of the one time where my dad left me in the car for 5 hours" Unless they ask "What did he do?" Or if that is actually what it reminds of.
Neither do I go around yelling "I dislike tecnho!" Unless people ask me "hey dude! Do you like this?!" I reply. "No, I think techno is utter crap"

Another example is that here in Denmark. We all pay church taxes.
But we have to right to cancel that. If we want to 'leave the church'
And as the strong atheist I am. I did that. Because I want to manifest who I am. And this is what I believe. It's not just a gimmick. I do not WANT to pay taxes to any kind of church or religious community.
But I do not go around saying "I think Christianity sucks" - Unless people ask me what I think of religion.

My grandmother even died a couple of days ago. Who have I told?
Non, but my dad. He asked why I was buying a suit.
So I replied "My grandmother died" And I believe that showing up in a proper suit is a part of showing respect. To the person who is being buried However materialistic that may be.
Though, you could show up naked or in a banana costume if that's your thing. I could not care less. And it truly does not matter.
It does not change ANYTHING, how one looks.
The only thing that matters is what one feels and/or thinks
And I think wearing a proper suit is part showing your respects.

I do not want attention unless it us due.
And I have no idea why you might think that?
Because I'm saying the stuff I do?
Would I be willing to kill if I had to. If I said I despised people who kill? Probably.. That's not the point though. I think you get my point.


It's like another thread I was in. People kept insisting that I had probably been in a deep depression, because I thought depression to be stupid.
And wow, is THAT stupid.
Just the fact that I neglect having been in a deep depression is alone enough to prove I have never. Why would I say that I haven't been in a deep depression if I had? That would be a lie... I do not lie.

What was your point anyway? Why would you believe that I crave attention? I really do not get your reply.

EDIT: I want to add that. you should not think that I NEVER EVER tell people who I am with out them going like "How old are you?" - "Do you like green?" Etc. obviously I tell stuff about myself. I have Hendrix in my signature, even a quote.. Which is in Danish. (Again.. I am just saying, since you guys tend to take me very literally. At least in this thread)

 

[BigApplePi]

I must admit that your reply disappoints me.. Oh well, here is my reply.

Sorry it disappoints you. I don't know you and you are far away. Words don't convey and I am only me. I will miss things and you can't say everything you are.

No. I do not. But I wish to manifest who i am.

I'll assume you'll do the best you can to say who you are but no one can be summarized in a few words. If I were to say something about myself there would always be the opposite in there somewhere. We are very complex beings.

For example. I dislike techno and my dad is a drug addict.

What do you mean by "techno"? The latter statement could be significant and tough to deal with.

But I don't walk around and tell that to everyone.

Appreciated.

I do not go like "Aww yeah, that kind of reminds me of the one time where my dad left me in the car for 5 hours" Unless they ask "What did he do?" Or if that is actually what it reminds of.
Neither do I go around yelling "I dislike tecnho!" Unless people ask me "hey dude! Do you like this?!" I reply. "No, I think techno is utter crap"

Again. I don't know that word, "techno." As for your dad leaving you in the car for 5 (you changed it from 8), that must have affected you. Lobstrich at this point I'll tempted to send you a private message but I'll hold off. Let me know if you prefer private.

My grandmother even died a couple of days ago. Who have I told?
Non, but my dad. He asked why I was buying a suit.
So I replied "My grandmother died" And I believe that showing up in a proper suit is a part of showing respect. To the person who is being buried However materialistic that may be.
Though, you could show up naked or in a banana costume if that's your thing. I could not care less. And it truly does not matter.
It does not change ANYTHING, how one looks.
The only thing that matters is what one feels and/or thinks
And I think wearing a proper suit is part showing your respects.

That makes a lot of sense. Your choice. Your dad questioned you? He thought differently?

I do not want attention unless it us due.
And I have no idea why you might think that?

I don't think anything. I only am talking to you. You've stated when another person wants attention that affects you. I say EVERYONE wants and deserves the right kind of attention. You too. Don't you DESERVE attention? When your dad left you in the car were you getting it? How old were you then?

Because I'm saying the stuff I do?
Would I be willing to kill if I had to. If I said I despised people who kill? Probably.. That's not the point though. I think you get my point.

Again. You are far away. Killing in not pleasant. Once near my house I had to capture and kill three skunks. That was not pleasant. I didn't tell my wife.

It's like another thread I was in. People kept insisting that I had probably been in a deep depression, because I thought depression to be stupid.
And wow, is THAT stupid.
Just the fact that I neglect having been in a deep depression is alone enough to prove I have never. Why would I say that I haven't been in a deep depression if I had? That would be a lie... I do not lie.

I believe you will tell your story the way you want to tell it.

What was your point anyway? Why would you believe that I crave attention? I really do not get your reply.

It's available for discussion or not. Let me know if you'd rather discuss this privately. You'd have to assume I am sympathetic no matter what goes on.

EDIT: I want to add that. you should not think that I NEVER EVER tell people who I am with out them going like "How old are you?" - "Do you like green?" Etc. obviously I tell stuff about myself. I have Hendrix in my signature, even a quote.. Which is in Danish. (Again.. I am just saying, since you guys tend to take me very literally. At least in this thread)

I like Hendrix too.

 

[Tyria]

Lobstrich,

If you do want to be a psychiatrist, I think you need to look at both medical school and the training you would need afterwards to become a psychiatrist. You are looking at a substantial commitment of both time, money, and hard work (if this is the path that you want to pursue). I'm not sure how difficult getting into med school is in your country, but it is usually quite competitive (and there are the tests to get in/recommendations/statement of purpose and so on). If you did complete the whole track, I think you would probably do best in research based on both your interest in exploration and not having to deal with the emotional problems that you clients will have.

No matter what you do (psychiatrist, chef, or something else) it should be something that you enjoy and that you can make a suitable living off of.

At this point I would recommend that you find out as much as possible about whatever field interests you and to see if you can do some shadowing in it. Also go in with an open mind and try anything out that you think might interest you. You may find that you like something more than your original plan.

 

[Minuend]

I just believe that a person should be the unique 'flower' that one is. And not clinge to some stupid idea of what "normal" or "anti-mainstream" Or "Hippie" is etc.

We are 6.8 billion people on this earth, I do not believe in the uniqueness of the individual.

I'm not quite sure about your very last part. Was it unnecessary that you pointed out that I didn't sound like and INTP because you can see that I am actually reading and processing what you're all saying? Or what were you saying? I don't quite get it ^^

I never tried to suggest you sound un-INTP. I haven't really considered your type. Let's just leave it at that. It doesn't matter. I'm definitely not trying to idealize the INTP-type by saying they are the only one who can process information properly.

 

[shadowdrums4]

I would say become a chef but look into psychology on your own time. It's a very interesting subject. (I'm looking into it myself.) Also you've already started your training as a chef and you said yourself you wanted to be one when you were a kid.

On the "emo/whiner/cutter" thing: You say you realize not everyone with problems is a whiner/cutter/emo but what you don't seem to grasp is sometimes when people are cutting it's because they HAVE problems. Not just losing a boyfriend or something (Oh and I found that offensive because mine died in a car wreck a couple years ago though I realize you mean getting broken up with which can also be very painful.) People are always trying to say "Get over it someone has it worse" well yeah but I think my friend put it best "Should a stab wound not be treated because it isn't as serious as a gunshot wound?" or should you ignore the agony of a paper cut (those things hurt man ) and not treat it even though it could get infected?

Just because someone is "whining" about their problems doesn't necessarily mean they want attention either. I have a friend who kept telling everyone about himself getting molested by his teacher a few weeks ago. Everyone was calling him an attention whore just because he was sharing what happened. The truth is that some people just need the support. He tells everyone because in his mind just having people know means that he isn't dealing with it alone. Isn't that what your doing? Ultimately this is your decision but (whether consciously or not) you want some kind of confirmation one way or the other. Some support saying "Yes you should be a chef" or "You could be a psychologist even with your attitude"

and I know you don't think so now, but that attitude will change when you start talking to some other people that have real problems. I realize that you were just stating your opinion on "emos" and I'm here to tell you that you've got the wrong idea. There are people out there who say clinical depression isn't real. You are doing what they do, ignoring all the science behind it to show that crying out of nowhere could be a problem. Bad coping skills can be another. The fact is you can never know what's going on in someone else's head. All we can do is try to help. Pain is pain period. This idea that there is some threshhold to be met before it becomes pain "worth" caring about is the reason so many people have trouble. Most people need some kind of support system someone who they know is there and watching out for them. For some people that's their psychologist. As was stated before, drama queens do exist out there but assuming that some label of "emo" (the modern consensus is not even close to right on what emo is, I'll come back with that later) means the same thing as "whiny drama queen" is extremely narrow minded.

Spoiler

Now the most offensive thing that I can't let go of and try to find the root of is your bit on suicide. "If you really want to die you'll be successful" is pretty fucking disregarding. You know something? When Jake was dead, he was the last that I had in my mind. My grandpa, when I was little, told me "Everyone dies leaves or can't be trusted" and Jake was my proof that Grandpa was wrong. Guess what Jake died. I had friends who knew very little about what I had gone through because I kept quiet. "They have their own lives" was my thinking against telling them. Guess what I did? I stabbed myself in the stomach. You know why I didn't die? My friend texted me and I realized what I was doing to her. I told her I was fine like I always say and she said that something I had said earlier had her worried that I may do something stupid. Even with my promise that I was okay, she came over to check on me and found me bleeding on the floor. She took me to a hospital. So tell me am I one of the emos you despise so much? I had been through so much crap that I won't "whine" to you about. Jake was something I finally had that made everything worth it and I lost him. So tell me, Am I pathetic? I'm here now. I deal with it and some days it's still hard to deal. It's been two years and I get frustrated because I feel like I should be over it. Tell me do you think I'm pathetic?

Sorry for the spoiler rant. You kinda made me angry though. Please don't take it as an attack. I was just trying to prove my point that not all those who attempted suicide are still alive simply because they only wanted attention. Not all people who hurt themselves are lacking problems. I believe there is a quote from manson about the Columbine shooting. "What would you say to those kids" "Nothing I would listen to them, that's what no one did" and sometimes that's all a person needs.

Now that aside as I said, I think you should become a chef unless you'd truly like to understand things like I have mentioned. I don't know how much help I've been.

 

[Minuend]

@Words. Well, I didn't mean it that literally. I don't think there exist copies of ourselves (not in this universe anyways). I was... you know I see now that I can be awfully vague... just saying that we're billions of people and not that different from each other. Sure NTs and SFs have their thing, but there are still people who are similar to them. What I don't like about uniqueness is that implies that we are special. You might say we are because we don't know any other planets with intelligent life. But when you say "unique" and "special", it kinda sounds like a romantic dream of individual worth. Like we have a purpose and are important. I don't have such an optimistic view of the human race.

Maybe from a dictionary perspective, we are all unique and special sunflowers. Ah, dictionaries.

 

[Lobstrich]

I would say become a chef but look into psychology on your own time. It's a very interesting subject. (I'm looking into it myself.) Also you've already started your training as a chef and you said yourself you wanted to be one when you were a kid.

On the "emo/whiner/cutter" thing: You say you realize not everyone with problems is a whiner/cutter/emo but what you don't seem to grasp is sometimes when people are cutting it's because they HAVE problems. Not just losing a boyfriend or something (Oh and I found that offensive because mine died in a car wreck a couple years ago though I realize you mean getting broken up with which can also be very painful.) People are always trying to say "Get over it someone has it worse" well yeah but I think my friend put it best "Should a stab wound not be treated because it isn't as serious as a gunshot wound?" or should you ignore the agony of a paper cut (those things hurt man ) and not treat it even though it could get infected?

Just because someone is "whining" about their problems doesn't necessarily mean they want attention either. I have a friend who kept telling everyone about himself getting molested by his teacher a few weeks ago. Everyone was calling him an attention whore just because he was sharing what happened. The truth is that some people just need the support. He tells everyone because in his mind just having people know means that he isn't dealing with it alone. Isn't that what your doing? Ultimately this is your decision but (whether consciously or not) you want some kind of confirmation one way or the other. Some support saying "Yes you should be a chef" or "You could be a psychologist even with your attitude"

and I know you don't think so now, but that attitude will change when you start talking to some other people that have real problems. I realize that you were just stating your opinion on "emos" and I'm here to tell you that you've got the wrong idea. There are people out there who say clinical depression isn't real. You are doing what they do, ignoring all the science behind it to show that crying out of nowhere could be a problem. Bad coping skills can be another. The fact is you can never know what's going on in someone else's head. All we can do is try to help. Pain is pain period. This idea that there is some threshhold to be met before it becomes pain "worth" caring about is the reason so many people have trouble. Most people need some kind of support system someone who they know is there and watching out for them. For some people that's their psychologist. As was stated before, drama queens do exist out there but assuming that some label of "emo" (the modern consensus is not even close to right on what emo is, I'll come back with that later) means the same thing as "whiny drama queen" is extremely narrow minded.

Spoiler

Now the most offensive thing that I can't let go of and try to find the root of is your bit on suicide. "If you really want to die you'll be successful" is pretty fucking disregarding. You know something? When Jake was dead, he was the last that I had in my mind. My grandpa, when I was little, told me "Everyone dies leaves or can't be trusted" and Jake was my proof that Grandpa was wrong. Guess what Jake died. I had friends who knew very little about what I had gone through because I kept quiet. "They have their own lives" was my thinking against telling them. Guess what I did? I stabbed myself in the stomach. You know why I didn't die? My friend texted me and I realized what I was doing to her. I told her I was fine like I always say and she said that something I had said earlier had her worried that I may do something stupid. Even with my promise that I was okay, she came over to check on me and found me bleeding on the floor. She took me to a hospital. So tell me am I one of the emos you despise so much? I had been through so much crap that I won't "whine" to you about. Jake was something I finally had that made everything worth it and I lost him. So tell me, Am I pathetic? I'm here now. I deal with it and some days it's still hard to deal. It's been two years and I get frustrated because I feel like I should be over it. Tell me do you think I'm pathetic?

Sorry for the spoiler rant. You kinda made me angry though. Please don't take it as an attack. I was just trying to prove my point that not all those who attempted suicide are still alive simply because they only wanted attention. Not all people who hurt themselves are lacking problems. I believe there is a quote from manson about the Columbine shooting. "What would you say to those kids" "Nothing I would listen to them, that's what no one did" and sometimes that's all a person needs.

Now that aside as I said, I think you should become a chef unless you'd truly like to understand things like I have mentioned. I don't know how much help I've been.

Well. I think your whole post is pretty disregarding. You say stuff like "You don't seem to grasp that somestimes cutters are in pain" I've been saying that I know that the whole time.

And your spoiler rant was pissed ME off just like I pissed oyu off.
I you would have REALLY wanted to die. I mean really, really wanted to end your life. You could have just cut your neck open. Or done wrists (horizontal) Or even stabbed yourself in the thighs.. All three things would surely kill you. And they would probably even hurt less.
So don't give me that 'bullshit' I'm not saying your problem is bullshit.
I'm saying that, you saying you REALLY wanted to die.. Is bullshit.
And that is true. And you really can't say otherwise, if you REALLY wanted to die. You would do it properly. It really is that simple. Why would oyu even start answering messages while you had a knife in your stomach..
I mean come on?

EDIT: And no.. I'm not asking ANY of you guys to say if I should become this or that. I'm asking what you guys think, why you think i should become a chef and why you think I should not.


And neither do I want you to take this as an attack. Merely as my opinion... Again. Do what you want with it though.

 

[Lobstrich]

@Words. Well, I didn't mean it that literally. I don't think there exist copies of ourselves (not in this universe anyways). I was... you know I see now that I can be awfully vague... just saying that we're billions of people and not that different from each other. Sure NTs and SFs have their thing, but there are still people who are similar to them. What I don't like about uniqueness is that implies that we are special. You might say we are because we don't know any other planets with intelligent life. But when you say "unique" and "special", it kinda sounds like a romantic dream of individual worth. Like we have a purpose and are important. I don't have such an optimistic view of the human race.

Maybe from a dictionary perspective, we are all unique and special sunflowers. Ah, dictionaries.

Unique equals unique.
I think red is cool. So do you.
I like the lynx. But you don't It's really simple.
People are unique. And people are special. And people that throw the ability to say that, away. Are idiots.

 

[Lobstrich]

Sorry it disappoints you.  I don't know you and you are far away.  Words don't convey and I am only me.  I will miss things and you can't say everything you are.

I'm not really getting your point. I was just saying.. As you kind like was making me ready for a reply going all "I'll get back to you tomorrow!" Hehe

I'll assume you'll do the best you can to say who you are but no one can be summarized in a few words.  If I were to say something about myself there would always be the opposite in there somewhere.  We are very complex beings.

And you point here?

What do you mean by "techno"?  The latter statement could be significant and tough to deal with.

You don't know what techno is? Hmm okay. Well it's bad electronic 'music' with alot of useless bass. But there is ALOT of sub genres of it. Techno is just a universal word in my book. The genre was not the point anyway.

Again.  I don't know that word, "techno."   As for your dad leaving you in the car for 5 (you changed it from 8), that must have affected you.  Lobstrich at this point I'll tempted to send you a private message but I'll hold off.  Let me know if you prefer private.

Changed it because I was thinking of another time where he did the same..
That was at home. (And I really did think of that time, hehe.)
Why and how would it have affected me? And why would I want to talk about it?

That makes a lot of sense.   Your choice.  Your dad questioned you?  He thought differently?

He questioned me? No. He asked why I was getting a suit. I'm 18 years old. I don't usually wear suits. And I answered him why i was getting a suit.

I don't think anything.  I only am talking to you.  You've stated when another person wants attention that affects you.  I say EVERYONE wants and deserves the right kind of attention.  You too.  Don't you DESERVE attention?  When your dad left you in the car were you getting it?  How old were you then?

I think people deserve attention when it's due. My grandmoher deserves attention.. She just died. I don't deserve attention. I didn't die, did I? I'm still living. I don't get to complain. (I'm NOT saying I'm not sad. Just saying I should not be complaining)
And i was 8 or 9. I don't know.

Again.  You are far away.   Killing in not pleasant.  Once near my house I had to capture and kill three skunks.  That was not pleasant.  I didn't tell my wife.

I'm far away? From what? I never said killing is pleasant.
Killing what, and how pleasant it was. Was not the point.

I believe you will tell your story the way you want to tell it.

Thank you! =)

It's available for discussion or not.  Let me know if you'd rather discuss this privately.  You'd have to assume I am sympathetic no matter what goes on.

I'd have to assume that you are sympathetic? Are you saying this because you think I don't like sympathetic people? I never said I didn't like sympathetic people. No matter what goes on?

I like Hendrix too.

Great! He is the best


I'm sorry for all the 'cold' answers they all kind of deflected what you said. But you said alot of things that didn't make ANY sense in contrast to what you were quoting.. Where I stand. I'm sure if you explained instead of the very short 1-line-answers. I would get it better. =)

(By the way.. I TRIED the multi-quote. So not sure if it's working)
EDIT: It worked badly.. You can read it though.. Lol.

 

[BigApplePi]

Sorry it disappoints you.  I don't know you and you are far away.  Words don't convey and I am only me.  I will miss things and you can't say everything you are.

I'm not really getting your point. I was just saying.. As you kind like was making me ready for a reply going all "I'll get back to you tomorrow!" Hehe

I'll assume you'll do the best you can to say who you are but no one can be summarized in a few words.  If I were to say something about myself there would always be the opposite in there somewhere.  We are very complex beings.

And you point here?

What do you mean by "techno"?  The latter statement could be significant and tough to deal with.

You don't know what techno is? Hmm okay. Well it's bad electronic 'music' with alot of useless bass. But there is ALOT of sub genres of it. Techno is just a universal word in my book. The genre was not the point anyway.

Again.  I don't know that word, "techno."   As for your dad leaving you in the car for 5 (you changed it from 8), that must have affected you.  Lobstrich at this point I'll tempted to send you a private message but I'll hold off.  Let me know if you prefer private.

Changed it because I was thinking of another time where he did the same..
That was at home. (And I really did think of that time, hehe.)
Why and how would it have affected me? And why would I want to talk about it?

That makes a lot of sense.   Your choice.  Your dad questioned you?  He thought differently?

He questioned me? No. He asked why I was getting a suit. I'm 18 years old. I don't usually wear suits. And I answered him why i was getting a suit.

I don't think anything.  I only am talking to you.  You've stated when another person wants attention that affects you.  I say EVERYONE wants and deserves the right kind of attention.  You too.  Don't you DESERVE attention?  When your dad left you in the car were you getting it?  How old were you then?

I think people deserve attention when it's due. My grandmoher deserves attention.. She just died. I don't deserve attention. I didn't die, did I? I'm still living. I don't get to complain. (I'm NOT saying I'm not sad. Just saying I should not be complaining)
And i was 8 or 9. I don't know.

Again.  You are far away.   Killing in not pleasant.  Once near my house I had to capture and kill three skunks.  That was not pleasant.  I didn't tell my wife.

I'm far away? From what? I never said killing is pleasant.
Killing what, and how pleasant it was. Was not the point.

I believe you will tell your story the way you want to tell it.

Thank you! =)

It's available for discussion or not.  Let me know if you'd rather discuss this privately.  You'd have to assume I am sympathetic no matter what goes on.

I'd have to assume that you are sympathetic? Are you saying this because you think I don't like sympathetic people? I never said I didn't like sympathetic people. No matter what goes on?

I like Hendrix too.

Great! He is the best


I'm sorry for all the 'cold' answers they all kind of deflected what you said. But you said alot of things that didn't make ANY sense in contrast to what you were quoting.. Where I stand. I'm sure if you explained instead of the very short 1-line-answers. I would get it better. =)

(By the way.. I TRIED the multi-quote. So not sure if it's working)
EDIT: It worked badly.. You can read it though.. Lol.

This is a difficult medium to communicate for me. All I can do is try. You made a comment about my one-liners. Yeah they don't explain everything. Lot's is left out.

I'll be more direct. Yes your grandmother deserved attention. You gave it to her by showing her due respects. But your father neglected you when he left you a couple times in the car as a young kid. I can only guess how this affected you. You had to go to the bathroom. You got hungry or cold or tired. You felt fear. Would he ever return and when? You didn't understand if he loved you why he left you alone. You blamed yourself for not being good enough to be taken care of. You decided if this kind of thing was going to happen to you, you would have to overcome it by not feeling anything. You decided you must not have been worthy of attention because you were left alone. You decided the strongest person was one who would not care being neglected. That way you wouldn't feel bad. You were a young kid and didn't understand. Anyone who did express their feelings was not strong and you were and are not going to feel weak. That is why you might look askance at another who might appear "too needy."

Lobstrich, how's that for a one-liner? It's only pure speculation on my part. If you care to, tell me I'm wrong. I don't mind being wrong. If I'm right or close to it, I'd like to know that too.

The next thing I'd like to know is how you feel about your father today. It must have its ups and downs. But you don't have to tell me. Or you could PM (private message) me if this is too public a board. I think you are a strong person from what I see so far and I admire that.
___________________

I came across something about guitar players some time ago. They were rating them. Two were high up there. It was either Hendrix or the other who were said to be the best players ever. I can't recall the name of the other one. Would you like me to see if I can find it? As you can probably tell, I don't know anything about music.

 

[Lobstrich]

I'll be more direct. Yes your grandmother deserved attention. You gave it to her by showing her due respects. But your father neglected you when he left you a couple times in the car as a young kid. I can only guess how this affected you. You had to go to the bathroom. You got hungry or cold or tired. You felt fear. Would he ever return and when? You didn't understand if he loved you why he left you alone. You blamed yourself for not being good enough to be taken care of. You decided if this kind of thing was going to happen to you, you would have to overcome it by not feeling anything. You decided you must not have been worthy of attention because you were left alone. You decided the strongest person was one who would not care being neglected. That way you wouldn't feel bad. You were a young kid and didn't understand. Anyone who did express their feelings was not strong and you were and are not going to feel weak. That is why you might look askance at another who might appear "too needy."

Lobstrich, how's that for a one-liner? It's only pure speculation on my part. If you care to, tell me I'm wrong. I don't mind being wrong. If I'm right or close to it, I'd like to know that too.

The next thing I'd like to know is how you feel about your father today. It must have its ups and downs. But you don't have to tell me. Or you could PM (private message) me if this is too public a board. I think you are a strong person from what I see so far and I admire that.
___________________

I came across something about guitar players some time ago. They were rating them. Two were high up there. It was either Hendrix or the other who were said to be the best players ever. I can't recall the name of the other one. Would you like me to see if I can find it? As you can probably tell, I don't know anything about music.

No I didn't have to go to the bathroom. I was saying that I was thinking of another time where he went to the bathroom to do his heroin. And he would just sit in there. And he is one of those destroyed addicts. He doesn't get up anytime soon when he "shoot's"

Half of you speculations are wrong, half of them arent.
I never got hungry. He would always buy all these weird things (As in ALOT of candy) because he also smoked alot of pot. And got the "munchies" or whatever it's called. So that was basically what we ate when my mom was out. Well I did. I remember him eating chocolate milk powder as the only thing, lol. Sure I got tired and cold. Don't think it had anything to do with that though. Fear, hmm.. Kind of.

EDIT: When I wrote this eat/hungry/cold I was speaking generally. At home, outside, in the car, everywhere. But I didn't get cold anyway. Rather warm actually. It was mostly during summers that he had a car, He always ended up selling it during the winters because he didn't have alot of work in the winters. Then he would buy some crappy car next summer and sell it for drugs next winter etc. not that i makes a difference. Haha..

I was scared that my mother would find out he was doing drugs. That time in the car.. I got bored, so I looked through his stuff. And I found used needle. I kind of looked at it (didn't realise EXACTLY what it was back then, I knew that it "wasn't right" though) And then nicely put it back where I found it, because I didn't want my mother to find it and leave him. And another time. Me and my brother was sleeping at his place (After my mother and him had been divorced) And the day after where we woke up and he was very high on whatever it was. (he used ALOT of different stuff) He was just kind of moving around and he suddenly decided to rest on the wall. And as he was sliding down the wall, I saw my brother who was around 2 at the time. Was just beneath him. And would have been crushed if Jacob had sat on him. But I just started screaming at him like crazy. And got my brother away. (Jacob is my step dad.. He actually hes my step dad. I think I mentioned that. My real dad moved to Serbia. And he was never married not in a relationship with my mother. And I grew up with Jacob. So I consider them both my 'parents')
Those things were the only things that got me scared. I've been worried alot. But not scared.

I never doubted that he would return. He would always return. As he always did the drugs in the house, when my mom was not around (which she wasn't alot. She had night shifts all over the place) And when she found out he just screamed at the door. Like most addicts probably do to those that "abandoned" them

No I have never thought "is this my fault? This is my fault!" I think kids saying that are the most oblivious people ever, how can kids think that? it's idiotic. (Kids at my age that is. I can understand if my brother who was 5 by the time they got divorced, would think that. But he is a 'baby') Anyway. I absolutely loathe that sentence. I've always thought it was, Jacobs fault... You have a choice. You ALWAYS do. And he chose to do drugs, and hurt his family. Yes, he has had a very bad childhood as well. But you still have a choice. So no. I never thought that.
So neither did I think I wasn't worthy the attention.

I decided this wasn't going to happen to me? If I get this question right it's like this: Yes.. I thought to myself "No FUCKING way. Am I ever going to be like that" And that fucking was needed. Because I felt that very strongly.
In another way. I was worried "what if?" I was going to end like him?
I didn't start drinking when everybody else did. I never have been truly drunk before. I was afraid of become LIKE him.
Obviously I realised that was a dumb thought.
And now I actually do want to drink. Not like the majority generation (you know: Drink - puke - drink - puke just for the sake of getting drunk)
I want enjoy a glass of wine for a dinner. Or a couple of beers with some friends.. I can't though. As I basically think both taste like shit.

And no. I didn't decide to not feel anyhing. I did at first. I don't think I was INTP as kid (I've always been introverted though)
But I think after all my crying, all my sobbing and all my useless sessions with arrogant psychologist that thought I was just a kid in school that was making trouble (Well I was. But I wasn't in treament because I was making trouble)
I think my cold and cynical thinking developed from my childhood experiences.
Because I cried and cried. But people in school didn't start liking me because I was crying. Jacob didn't stop doing drugs because I was crying. So I guess I was thinking "What the fuck is this for? It's no use"
(Just a theory though, that last part. But I know that my INTP'ness still developed from this)

I didn't exactly think that not caring was strong. I thought that not making a scene of it was strong... Ignoring it, eating the pain, and just enjoy those things you had that was actually good. THATS strong. And I still believe that.

No I don't think people are 'suspicious' if they are too needy. I think their idiots.
There is a difference between being too needy and just needy.
Too needy people are cry babies. (And you can't argue with that. As the word "too" kind of implies 'too much')
Needy people are weak.

I'm not saying that either of these people are bad people. They are probably cool. I'm just saying that they are cry babies and too needy. Just like you think french people have a hidious english accent or the majority of the American people should get their heads out their asses and learn about the rest of the world, including it's culturegs and history.
That doesn't mean they can't be good people does it? =)



How's that for a one-liner? Hehe, I don't know.. It's alot better though!
How do I feel? I feel the same as I always did..
He is one of the greatest people I know. He is weak for drugs, he's an idiot for doing drugs. And he is a major idiot for doing drugs and ruining the family.

He is still one of the people I love the most.. When he is sober.
As for ups and downs, I'm not quite sure what you mean. For his drug abuse? It really is up and down. But he is one of those addicts that will ALWAYS end up doing drugs again. No matter if he is clean for a week or 6 months. He's been doing them since he was around my age. And he is around 45 now.. Just got out of rehab and screaming on the street. Antended to my grandmothers funeral. In great health..
Let's see in a month though.

___________________

Well first line is Jimi is the best. It's not even an arguement. He was innovative, unique, could play with his teeth tounge and behind his back. With left or right hand (he would just turn around his guitar and play it upside down) And he was just fucking good.
The other guitarist you're thinking off is probably Slash, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jimmy Page? The are all awesome.. But nothing compared to Jimi Hendrix.

Actually talking about sadness and crying. Hendrix can make cry. He was such a great person, a "good" man. But he was abused ALOT.. Even more then Tyson abused by Don king. It was extreme. And he died at 27.. He just wanted to play his fucking guitar. And spread his music, wanted to entertain people. He didn't care about the money.. Everyone around him did. And he just died...
Now his step daugher is just cashing in and locking up his music. I think that he would just have wanted his music to be spread out to the 'people' for free. But it's not. People want his money.
I've watched alot of documentaries about him.. And for some reason.
His childhood (he had a tough one) And him growing up. Just LIVING for the guitar. And dying by the guitar because he got abused. It made me actually cry.

Another thing that made cry, well tears came out. I wasn't making sounds (just pointing it out as those thing does really make a difference. Specially when it comes to me, and my rare moments of showing sadness)
It's a story about Nelson Mandela.
(read a couple of books on him)
he had been in prison for alot of years. He had not seen his wife, at all.
One of the guards who is assigned to actually spy on him becomes his friend.. So this guards get's the warden to agree on Mandela's wife visiting.
And as the guard escorts Mandela to the cell where the will meet. He stops.. Looks at the guard. And in spite of how noble, wise and truly strong that man is.. he says, "James.. I have not seen my wife in 24 years. I don't know what to do. What do I do?" That made me 'cry'

These things might seem random. But for some reason they make me said..
I have this theory.. Where if I find the people to be 'strong' or not 'cry babies' at least. And they aren't treated properly, and with the respect 'strong' people should. Or any person should, for that matter.
That can make me sad.


How was that for a one-liner? =o

(Aplogies if this post is all messed up.. As said in a prior post. When I do the walls. I can't be arsed to go through it all and make sure it's perfect.
And sorry for keep doing these "apologies" I Just want my English to be proper. And when I know it's probably not, it annoys me.)

 

[Lobstrich]

To anyone: What do you say when you aren't really sorry?
I said "Sorry for all the cold answers" When I wasn't sorry. What should I say?
"Too bad, those cold answers had to be in there"?
I really can't figure it out. (Give me a sophisticated way of saying it.. Because I know if you give the 'normal' way of saying it.. I probably know it, I'll bash myself for asking a stupid qestion, haha!=P)

 

[Mary]

To anyone: What do you say when you aren't really sorry?
I said "Sorry for all the cold answers" When I wasn't sorry. What should I say?
"Too bad, those cold answers had to be in there"?
I really can't figure it out. (Give me a sophisticated way of saying it.. Because I know if you give the 'normal' way of saying it.. I probably know it, I'll bash myself for asking a stupid qestion, haha!=P)

I'm sorry you feel that way.
I'm sorry you interpreted my answer that way.
I'm sorry you're so upset.

Basically, explain that you are sorry for how they reacted and not what you did.

 

[Lobstrich]

I'm sorry you feel that way.
I'm sorry you interpreted my answer that way.
I'm sorry you're so upset.

Basically, explain that you are sorry for how they reacted and not what you did.

*Unicorn*

It's not what I mean though..
I gave Pi alot of "cold" answers. I wanted to kind of apologize for it.. Except I wasn't really sorry. But I still wanted to go like "sorry" Is there any other word you can use? When you aren't exactly sorry but you want to apologize? Am I making sense? ^^

EDIT: I know it! "Excuse my cold answers" So simple, yet I forget it like I have never heard it. Thanks for trying though! =p

 

[Mary]

*Unicorn*

It's not what I mean though..
I gave Pi alot of "cold" answers. I wanted to kind of apologize for it.. Except I wasn't really sorry. But I still wanted to go like "sorry" Is there any other word you can use? When you aren't exactly sorry but you want to apologize? Am I making sense? ^^

EDIT: I know it! "Excuse my cold answers" So simple, yet I forget it like I have never heard it. Thanks for trying though! =p

*Faerie*
Hehehe
Perfect!

Not too nice, not too mean.

 

[shadowdrums4]

I guess you do have a point on your answer to my post. You're right maybe I didn't really want to die because I didn't look up the right way to do it, or the better part of that answer was that I did answer the message. Though I don't feel you actually said that some cutters were really in pain before (just that not all people in pain were cutters, see the difference?), you just did and I'll take that.

I apologize again for the rant. Believe it or not that experience is the thing I am most ashamed of. It was a time of weakness.

Anyway I believe as I stated before, that you should become a chef since you've already started on that path. Whichever you choose though, you could always do the other on the side.

Edit: I just read the rest of the thread after your answer to me and saw that you see it like me as weak. I guess the difference between us is you think it's weak out of anyone. For me, it's only weak out of me, if other people do it it's understandable to a point. I really hope I didn't come off as whining to you because like you I loathe it and try hard to avoid it. Anyway that whole thing was off topic so I suppose my last paragraph before the edit was the only relatively "helpful" part of my post. (Though I doubt it was.)

 

[Fallenman]

I don't usually do this, it creates conflicts which i avoid like the plague... but like a lot of other people i feel like you are an insensitive jerk.

I think that psychologist have to be able to put aside their emotions in order to deal with people, and I feel like if an emo came into your office you'd have a hard time not gouging your eyes out.

I don't intend to reply or even read this thread again, I just hope you learn to be more tolerant no matter what you do in life ^^.

 

[BigApplePi]

I'm on my way to become a chef.
But my mom continuously suggest me looking into becoming a psychiatrist.
She thinks that I'd be great at it, because I'm great at analyzing, and "identifying" And I'm very objective when it comes to peoples emotions.

That's where my question comes in. I'm kind of confused, because I think psychology would be very interesting. I love the "exploration" But as an INTP I think it would be a very bad occupation, namely for the objectiveness.
Or well not the objectiveness. But the apathy, I'm am apathetic. And let's say I had a "cutter/emo/whiner" come to me. "I added whiner because I think cutting and emo'ing is whining." I would just find them pathetic, I would get angry. Just think "get some fucking balls, grow up and live your life. Stop sitting around and whining about something that is not even a problem"

(Wether or not if cutting is pathetic or not is not this topic, so don't start explaining to me what endorphins are or let that affect your answer please, I was just making a point)

Obviously I wouldn't think every person that came in would be pathetic. But I would be Dr. House. As a psychiatrist. I don't think I can explain it any better then that. Since I know very well that, wether or not cutters and emo's are pathetic is a subjective thing.

I do think it would be a good occupation for the things said above, I do analyze, I do figure it out, dig in it. And I do those tings objectively. And that is exactly what people come for. And objective mind to figure things out. I have serious doubts about this.

So what would you think?

I would really appreciate a serious and constructive answer, as I am thinking ALOT about wether I should become a chef or not. And I've been wanting to become that since I was a kid. Everyone wanted to be soldiers, firefighters and policemen. I wanted to be the chef.

So this is truly a serious question.

I hope you guys can help me out =)

Hi Lobstrich. You have nothing to apologize for. I'm a lot tougher than that. No need to review your own writing -- unless this were an English class. I like your open expression and your apparent willingness to examine later what you've said. You don't evade or run away. I think you are most likely more mature than I was (I was very shy and couldn't talk with anyone outside of math) at your age and have a positive outlook.

Comment on your original post: I don't know your circumstances but at eighteen seems to me you have plenty of time. I would advise you learn as much as you can about psychology from whatever sources are available and see how it goes. You know you are interested in the topic, so learn as much as you can. Never hurts to know psychology anyway. Then when the time comes you can make a decision where you wish to go.

 

[BigApplePi]

I don't usually do this, it creates conflicts which i avoid like the plague... but like a lot of other people i feel like you are an insensitive jerk.

I think that psychologist have to be able to put aside their emotions in order to deal with people, and I feel like if an emo came into your office you'd have a hard time not gouging your eyes out.

I don't intend to reply or even read this thread again, I just hope you learn to be more tolerant no matter what you do in life ^^.

I'm surprised at this post Fallenman. You avoid conflict, but you don't think your post creates one? I'm a little different. I don't care much for conflict between peoples especially if they aren't resolved. I love intellectual conflicts though. They are like puzzles to be solved. I can think of three different areas where your post creates conflict -- or if conflict isn't the right word, then controversy.

You won't read this though.

 

[Polaris]

Lobstrich, I do not think you are an insensitive jerk. You have been through a lot more in your relatively short lifetime than many people your age.

The episodes with your stepfather, and you trying to protect your little brother and mother.......that is a hell of a lot of responsibility to take on for a young kid. It sounds as if you had to grow up too quickly, and harden up quick smart.

You chose to stop crying and not be a "whiner". You decided to not give in to all the crap people were putting you through. You watched your stepfather and knew you would not be like that. Many people would have ended up as substance abusers, living on the streets or even chosen to self-destruct after going through what you have gone through. You did not, however.

You went the other way. That takes a hell of a lot of strength. You are a fighter, you had to be, for your own sanity.

You are a tough nail, but you have also come a long way. I think some of the stuff you are saying is probably quite useful for other people to read. Many people go through crap, but feel alone and may be afraid to talk about it.

You are also open enough to process input, your head is screwed on properly. Perhaps in a few years time, when you have chefed your way around the world to the tunes of Jimi Hendrix, you could consider a career in psychology/psychiatry?

 

[Minuend]

@Lobstrich. We all have weaknesses. Some need more attention than others. Why is it so bad? At least their not hurting anyone by simply whining. Some just work that way. Not everybody can just get over it like you. Do you think they are being disrespectful to you when they whine? Because you have been through worse, and still managed to survive?

 

[Lobstrich]

Edit: I just read the rest of the thread after your answer to me and saw that you see it like me as weak. I guess the difference between us is you think it's weak out of anyone. For me, it's only weak out of me, if other people do it it's understandable to a point. I really hope I didn't come off as whining to you because like you I loathe it and try hard to avoid it. Anyway that whole thing was off topic so I suppose my last paragraph before the edit was the only relatively "helpful" part of my post. (Though I doubt it was.)

I don't quite understand this. "you think it's weak out of anyone. for me, it's only weak out of me" What??

 

[Lobstrich]

I don't usually do this, it creates conflicts which i avoid like the plague... but like a lot of other people i feel like you are an insensitive jerk.

I think that psychologist have to be able to put aside their emotions in order to deal with people, and I feel like if an emo came into your office you'd have a hard time not gouging your eyes out.

I don't intend to reply or even read this thread again, I just hope you learn to be more tolerant no matter what you do in life ^^.

Okay great.. Thanks for the "constructive" reply..
God how I wish people could you just "put their emotions aside" (Ie. meing being a jerk)
And just give me a constructive answer.. I guess you're just as tolerant as I am. Can I call you a jerk now?

Don't waste my time.

 

[Lobstrich]

Lobstrich, I do not think you are an insensitive jerk. You have been through a lot more in your relatively short lifetime than many people your age.

The episodes with your stepfather, and you trying to protect your little brother and mother.......that is a hell of a lot of responsibility to take on for a young kid. It sounds as if you had to grow up too quickly, and harden up quick smart.

You chose to stop crying and not be a "whiner". You decided to not give in to all the crap people were putting you through. You watched your stepfather and knew you would not be like that. Many people would have ended up as substance abusers, living on the streets or even chosen to self-destruct after going through what you have gone through. You did not, however.

You went the other way. That takes a hell of a lot of strength. You are a fighter, you had to be, for your own sanity.

You are a tough nail, but you have also come a long way. I think some of the stuff you are saying is probably quite useful for other people to read. Many people go through crap, but feel alone and may be afraid to talk about it.

You are also open enough to process input, your head is screwed on properly. Perhaps in a few years time, when you have chefed your way around the world to the tunes of Jimi Hendrix, you could consider a career in psychology/psychiatry?

Thank you gor all the compliments, I guess. Heh.


And yes I might take this.. Later that that.

But the thing that troubles me with that. Is if I go throug to become a chef.
I'll get stuck there.. I'll get a house, a family (hopefully)
I'll have alot of bills to pay as I will not only get a house, but also a car, a cool tv, alot of electronics, a dog, a yard etc.

I know multiple people have multiple educations, but those people have been 'lucky' enough not get stuck. Maybe the lived with their parents for the whole process? Maybe they were just alone in a very low-budget life which could accommodate their constant study.

But if I get 'stuck' in that. It's very hard to get back out and pretty much restart your life.

 

[Lobstrich]

@Lobstrich. We all have weaknesses. Some need more attention than others. Why is it so bad? At least their not hurting anyone by simply whining. Some just work that way. Not everybody can just get over it like you. Do you think they are being disrespectful to you when they whine? Because you have been through worse, and still managed to survive?

No.. There is people who has been through worse then me.

And it does not feel like you've been reading. I have said that I can understand if people feel they need to "whine"
I don't think they are bad people. I just think they are weak.. Is that so bad?

 

[Lobstrich]

Hi Lobstrich. You have nothing to apologize for. I'm a lot tougher than that. No need to review your own writing -- unless this were an English class. I like your open expression and your apparent willingness to examine later what you've said. You don't evade or run away. I think you are most likely more mature than I was (I was very shy and couldn't talk with anyone outside of math) at your age and have a positive outlook.

Comment on your original post: I don't know your circumstances but at eighteen seems to me you have plenty of time. I would advise you learn as much as you can about psychology from whatever sources are available and see how it goes. You know you are interested in the topic, so learn as much as you can. Never hurts to know psychology anyway. Then when the time comes you can make a decision where you wish to go.

Thank you.

Yes 18.. I have alot of time.
Then again. I don't have what you guys might consider a college degree.
I got right out of elementary school (0-9th grade)
I need around 3 or 4 of school. Then on to the "Doctor's School"
Or what you would call it.

US and DK have VERY different school systems. We have from 0-9 that we all HAVE to do. And after that we get thrown away. And we get to decide if we want to be chefs (go to the culinary school) Or carpenter (carpenter school)
maybe a mechanic? (You've guessed it. Mechanics school)
But if things require a 'brighter mind' so to speak. You will need to have a "studentereksamen" as Maiken said. Which is around 3-4 years depending on what kind you get.
And after that you will go to the doctor's school or the lawyer's school etc.
We don't go to college and go like "hey I want a carpenter, psychology aaaaand culinary. Maybe history major.
(At least that's how I think your school system is.. From what I've learned) We go to culinary school and get culinary as major. Hehe

 

[Minuend]

I don't think they are bad people. I just think they are weak.. Is that so bad?

As long as your not hurting anyone with your beliefs, it doesn't really matter what you think they are. As a psychologist, it's probably not a good thing. It would prevent you from seeing what lies under the surface of the individual. But this is repeating what's already been said. You're pretty free when it comes to the thoughts in your head, though.

 

[Lobstrich]

As long as your not hurting anyone with your beliefs, it doesn't really matter what you think they are. As a psychologist, it's probably not a good thing. It would prevent you from seeing what lies under the surface of the individual. But this is repeating what's already been said. You're pretty free when it comes to the thoughts in your head, though.

Great.. I don't see how it's bad as a psychologist though.
I'm quite capable of maintaining objectiveness.

 

[BigApplePi]

Polarist. Good post.

 

[Lobstrich]

Polarist. Good post.

I agree hehe

 

[BigApplePi]

Thank you gor all the compliments, I guess. Heh.


And yes I might take this.. Later that that.

But the thing that troubles me with that. Is if I go throug to become a chef.
I'll get stuck there.. I'll get a house, a family (hopefully)
I'll have alot of bills to pay as I will not only get a house, but also a car, a cool tv, alot of electronics, a dog, a yard etc.

I know multiple people have multiple educations, but those people have been 'lucky' enough not get stuck. Maybe the lived with their parents for the whole process? Maybe they were just alone in a very low-budget life which could accommodate their constant study.

But if I get 'stuck' in that. It's very hard to get back out and pretty much restart your life.

I don't know enough about the specifics of those two career paths to say anything definite, but I suppose you are saying the same thing. Lobstrich if you are saying the chef path leaves you with restricted alternatives then the other path does not. The other path will take you into the unknown. You could try out for psychologist, see what that is, see if it appeals to you. Take some studies. If it works out, fine. Others may help you along the way. If it doesn't you have the chef experience as a good back up. Even if you were to go chef now, you aren't going to be made chief chef anyway right at the start.

 

[Lobstrich]

I don't know enough about the specifics of those two career paths to say anything definite, but I suppose you are saying the same thing. Lobstrich if you are saying the chef path leaves you with restricted alternatives then the other path does not. The other path will take you into the unknown. You could try out for psychologist, see what that is, see if it appeals to you. Take some studies. If it works out, fine. Others may help you along the way. If it doesn't you have the chef experience as a good back up. Even if you were to go chef now, you aren't going to be made chief chef anyway right at the start.

I know but that's not quite what I'm saying.. I'm not worried about getting a job I can't leave.. I'm worried about getting a life I HAVE to pay with my salary that I get from being a chef or that I get from being anything else.
And I therefore cannot start studying something else..
Because I won't be able pay my bills, while studying etc.

 

[Fallenman]

Ok, you have background history that justifies your perspective. I neglected to read your last few posts because I had gotten tired of reading the long posts.

People are entitled to believe as they so desire, I happen to believe that those who fish for sympathy tend to get anything but out of me, and perhaps tough love is what some of these people need.

The only point I was trying to make is that you mustn't allow for your bias's against certain groups of people get in the way of your work, which is essentially to fix people. If psychiatry were indeed the profession you were to adopt. You said in your OP that you "would just find them pathetic, I would get angry." If you're not able to maintain objectivity and keep your emotions out when necessary, and be compassionate when the moment calls (say when a person has been through a lot and needs a shoulder to cry on) well if nothing else that'll just indicate you're probably not the best of best psychologist. I don't think you'll fail miserably at it I just think that psychiatry requires, like so many other professions, the ability to identify the problem and then the ability to remedy it. Perhaps your apathy will probably just inhibit you from being able to remedy everyones problems but I'm sure you could still attempt the profession.

I have several friends at my school who are psychology majors. For a time they made up a majority of my acquaintances. Psychology, at least here, is not something you haphazardly just decide to do on a whim. It's a lot of work that doesn't focus solely on peoples behaviors, or observations. Psychology is a science as well. I'm not saying that you're not capable, as I'm sure you are, I am simply saying that one should test the waters before they dive head first. If it doesn't bother you then by all means proceed.

In the end though, I think it is a choice that you will have to make for yourself. I think that you can do this profession you just may not be the best at it. From a practical stand point you've already begun culinary school so I think it would be the simpler choice. I think it would be best for you to lay out the pros and cons of each profession, and then decide which factors matter more to you.

Goood luck ^^.

 

[Minuend]

Great.. I don't see how it's bad as a psychologist though.
I'm quite capable of maintaining objectiveness.

Now, that's a better question than your previous one.

Fallenman makes a good point.

I believe a good psychologist needs to have a mindset that are quite open. He needs to be able to put his emotions aside to help people. Whether it be pedophiles, emos, Christians* or misanthropes. Could you be able to actually listen to what they say, rather than judging them thinking they are irrational? You need to be able to understand them, use their logic to find a solution. Being annoyed is not being objective. Being annoyed is not being apathetic. (Not that apathetic is something one should strive for, just saying)

It is possible to just listen to people without being annoyed or upset. It doesn't mean that you can't disagree or think critically, it just means that you will use your mind rather than your heart when understanding them. You put your initiate emotional reactions aside (annoyance, anger etc) and try to see beyond what they say. Your mind changes focus. Being annoyed will increase the probability of you being aggressive towards them. And don't get me wrong, I don't mean like violent and cursing, I mean the attitude some mothers take on when they think their child is doing something stupid. That attitude that goes something like "I know better than you and your idea is stupid". This is not constructive and will not help anyone.

Of course there will be times when a patient really get to you, but then you must be able to control your emotions and still answer objectively regardless of your own beliefs. Some will also call you stupid or worse. Threaten you, stalk you, yell at you. You will meet a lot of different people as a psychologist.

(*I'm not trying to compare Christians with peds, I'm just naming groups he might find irrational).

 

[Lobstrich]

Now, that's a better question than your previous one.

Fallenman makes a good point.

I believe a good psychologist needs to have a mindset that are quite open. He needs to be able to put his emotions aside to help people. Whether it be pedophiles, emos, Christians* or misanthropes. Could you be able to actually listen to what they say, rather than judging them thinking they are irrational? You need to be able to understand them, use their logic to find a solution. Being annoyed is not being objective. Being annoyed is not being apathetic. (Not that apathetic is something one should strive for, just saying)

It is possible to just listen to people without being annoyed or upset. It doesn't mean that you can't disagree or think critically, it just means that you will use your mind rather than your heart when understanding them. You put your initiate emotional reactions aside (annoyance, anger etc) and try to see beyond what they say. Your mind changes focus. Being annoyed will increase the probability of you being aggressive towards them. And don't get me wrong, I don't mean like violent and cursing, I mean the attitude some mothers take on when they think their child is doing something stupid. That attitude that goes something like "I know better than you and your idea is stupid". This is not constructive and will not help anyone.

Of course there will be times when a patient really get to you, but then you must be able to control your emotions and still answer objectively regardless of your own beliefs. Some will also call you stupid or worse. Threaten you, stalk you, yell at you. You will meet a lot of different people as a psychologist.

(*I'm not trying to compare Christians with peds, I'm just naming groups he might find irrational).

When did I ever say that I wasn't able to look past my annoyance?
And maintain objectiveness?
I've said quite the opposite.

 

[Lobstrich]

Ok, you have background history that justifies your perspective. I neglected to read your last few posts because I had gotten tired of reading the long posts.

People are entitled to believe as they so desire, I happen to believe that those who fish for sympathy tend to get anything but out of me, and perhaps tough love is what some of these people need.

The only point I was trying to make is that you mustn't allow for your bias's against certain groups of people get in the way of your work, which is essentially to fix people. If psychiatry were indeed the profession you were to adopt. You said in your OP that you "would just find them pathetic, I would get angry." If you're not able to maintain objectivity and keep your emotions out when necessary, and be compassionate when the moment calls (say when a person has been through a lot and needs a shoulder to cry on) well if nothing else that'll just indicate you're probably not the best of best psychologist. I don't think you'll fail miserably at it I just think that psychiatry requires, like so many other professions, the ability to identify the problem and then the ability to remedy it. Perhaps your apathy will probably just inhibit you from being able to remedy everyones problems but I'm sure you could still attempt the profession.

I have several friends at my school who are psychology majors. For a time they made up a majority of my acquaintances. Psychology, at least here, is not something you haphazardly just decide to do on a whim. It's a lot of work that doesn't focus solely on peoples behaviors, or observations. Psychology is a science as well. I'm not saying that you're not capable, as I'm sure you are, I am simply saying that one should test the waters before they dive head first. If it doesn't bother you then by all means proceed.

In the end though, I think it is a choice that you will have to make for yourself. I think that you can do this profession you just may not be the best at it. From a practical stand point you've already begun culinary school so I think it would be the simpler choice. I think it would be best for you to lay out the pros and cons of each profession, and then decide which factors matter more to you.

Goood luck ^^.

No.. It is indeed, not something you just dive into.
That is why I'm considering this very much, why I'm asking you guys what you think (And not what I should do)

 

[Lobstrich]

I guess this thread is kind of dead!

I didn't realise it would get THIS many posts though.
It's actually interesting that a thread which wasn't like "Debate" got this many!

Thanks for the talk though! =)

 

[BigApplePi]

My wife emailed me this today. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif][SIZE=+1]Mind Over Meds [/SIZE][/FONT]


It is relevant to psychiatry. Just a coincidence she sent that. Thought it might be useful to you. If you have any interest, better copy it because it will disappear in a few days.

Don't have too much faith in what it says. I'm not much one for pills. They may help some people though.

 

[Lobstrich]

This thread is dead. But I just want to let those whom might come to read this thread. That I realise that I sound like a 12 year old kid in the first couple of posts. I must have been angry those days.
I don't know why I am writing this. I guess I don't want people to go "This guy is an ass" Before they actually get to 'experience' my 'assyness' themselves! Oh, the insecurity!


EDIT: This is what I wrote on another thread for similar reason; I read some of my old posts and found them 'funny'

Off-Topic: Aaaah, reading through old threads. It is funny. When I am in 'debates' like the one me, nil and words had. I go into these zones. As if I am unable to see myself saying this stuff.

Half of my posts do not even make sense in terms of spelling mistakes. But the ignorance in my posts is just funny. It is straight-from-the-head communicating, as I have just changed my Bio to, hehe.
I am glad that I can actually sit here a couple of months (only that) and say, I have learned.

Thank you for understanding! Hehe =)