Psychiatrist

[Lobstrich]

I'm on my way to become a chef.
But my mom continuously suggest me looking into becoming a psychiatrist.
She thinks that I'd be great at it, because I'm great at analyzing, and "identifying" And I'm very objective when it comes to peoples emotions.

That's where my question comes in. I'm kind of confused, because I think psychology would be very interesting. I love the "exploration" But as an INTP I think it would be a very bad occupation, namely for the objectiveness.
Or well not the objectiveness. But the apathy, I'm am apathetic. And let's say I had a "cutter/emo/whiner" come to me. "I added whiner because I think cutting and emo'ing is whining." I would just find them pathetic, I would get angry. Just think "get some fucking balls, grow up and live your life. Stop sitting around and whining about something that is not even a problem"

(Wether or not if cutting is pathetic or not is not this topic, so don't start explaining to me what endorphins are or let that affect your answer please, I was just making a point)

Obviously I wouldn't think every person that came in would be pathetic. But I would be Dr. House. As a psychiatrist. I don't think I can explain it any better then that. Since I know very well that, wether or not cutters and emo's are pathetic is a subjective thing.

I do think it would be a good occupation for the things said above, I do analyze, I do figure it out, dig in it. And I do those tings objectively. And that is exactly what people come for. And objective mind to figure things out. I have serious doubts about this.

So what would you think?

I would really appreciate a serious and constructive answer, as I am thinking ALOT about wether I should become a chef or not. And I've been wanting to become that since I was a kid. Everyone wanted to be soldiers, firefighters and policemen. I wanted to be the chef.

So this is truly a serious question.

I hope you guys can help me out =)

 

[Moocow]

Psychiatry and psychology are very different fields. It doesn't sound like you have a clear idea which one you're talking about.

 

[Cognisant]

And let's say I had a "cutter/emo/whiner" come to me. "I added whiner because I think cutting and emo'ing is whining." I would just find them pathetic, I would get angry. Just think "get some fucking balls, grow up and live your life. Stop sitting around and whining about something that is not even a problem"

That attitude doesn’t just make you a bad psychologist...

 

[Lobstrich]

Psychiatry and psychology are very different fields. It doesn't sound like you have a clear idea which one you're talking about.

Well that might be because English is not my mother tongue. Where I'm from a "psykolog" specialises in "psykologi" so I figured A psychiatrist specialised in Psycology. I just didn't realise that the word "psychologist" existed.

So yes. I do know what I'm talking about, obviously not on a proffessional plan, though. And I wouldn't be able to explain the difference between the two.


But back to the actual question. What do you think? You didn't give me a constructive answer at all. You just decided to let me know that I pretty much didn't know what I was talking about.

 

[Lobstrich]

That attitude doesn’t just make you a bad psychologist...

No I realise that. (kind of) Same as it doesn't make you a bad chef just because you don't like wine.

But I'm still confused about how it doesn't,
Exactly as some people might think "Wow, I can NEVER become a chef! I mean I don't like whine and I don't like mushrooms. And it's almost everywhere! How am I ever going to prepare a dish I despise?!"

That is kind of the way I think, just put in pathetic instead of wine and whine/attention seeker instead of mushrooms.

Does it make any sense? Hehe.

 

[Words]

Please do not become a chef. Food? Consumption? The depth of that subject is weak and relies on very singular categories. The patterns are few. Food is eat and survive; It's basic and yet people spend too much time on it instead of more dire things such as developing society. No, I implore you to take the other one.

There's this child I know. He's very brilliant at many things: people, mathematics, problems, humor, and a very kind and responsible kid. Funny, his abilities even surpassed many adults and He saw things I could not see. And guess what he wanted to become? A chef!! Uh, and he's an average cook...even for his age.

 

[Lobstrich]

Please do not become a chef. Food? Consumption? The depth of that subject is weak and relies on very singular categories. The patterns are few. Food is eat and survive; It's basic and yet people spend too much time on it instead of more dire things such as developing society. No, I implore you to take the other one.

There's this child I know. He's very brilliant at many things: people, mathematics, problems, humor, and a very kind and responsible kid. Funny, his abilities even surpassed many adults and He saw things I could not see. And guess what he wanted to become? A chef!! Uh, and he's an average cook...even for his age.

Wow.. I very clearly asked for serious and constructive answers. And I get this?

No the depth of the subject is not weak.. YOU have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Are musicians developing society? Are any kind of artist? Are fantasy authors? Are people who sit on a forums for INTP's, developing society? Nope. What do you do? You better fucking either be doing community service. Or whatever it is for free.
Or maybe you're out in the field, giving shelter to homeless people?
Maybe you're in Africa feeding the children?
Otherwise you wouldn't benefit society, would you?
I can't believe when I hear this self righteous shit.
The only point where one gets to act like you do is when they actually are acting like it themselves, and I highly doubt that you have your whole life committed to some "society building" cause.
Being a chef is not about eating, it's about the experience, about different tastes, textures, alone, combined. It's not about getting a full stomach. Go cook your own food to get a full stomach. And I know that it might not be a very serving occupation but don't you fucking sit here and disrespect it, or the people in it.
Please god, DONT give me this crap again.


You could, however. Give me some input on my question....

 

[Words]

pardon me, I was rude. It was only an opinion and I hoped you saw it nothing but that, I was wrong.

I'm not even sure if I care about development anymore, yes, my opinions changes quite rapidly. Is this an unlikable trait?

If you truly value your own freedom, then select what you want out of feeling and not what is "productive" and/or "beneficial". The level of success will depend on yourself.

 

[Lobstrich]

pardon me, I was rude. It was only an opinion and I hoped you saw it nothing but that, I was wrong.

I'm not even sure if I care about development anymore, yes, my opinions changes quite rapidly. Is this an unlikable trait?

If you truly value your own freedom, then select what you want out of feeling and not what is "productive" and/or "beneficial". The level of success will depend on yourself.

So you're telling me that in spite of me stating that this question was very serious and could impact my career choice.. You chose to reply with a answer that you don't agree with yourself anymore?...

I'm sorry to keep stepping around in it. But that's just not very responsible, I'm not saying it's you'r responsibility that I get a career or not. Just saying you shouldn't say something that could basically be disagreeing with what you think the next day.

Anyway.. I want them both, I do. But my question wasn't what I should pick. But it was am I fit for it?

EDIT: Yes I do realise that it was only your opinion. Wether you like chefs or not, Is not for me to decide. But what I replied with is also just my opinion. And I'm sorry for the sudden outburst anger. But you just simply made me angry :-)

 

[Words]

So you're telling me that in spite of me stating that this question was very serious and could impact my career choice.. You chose to reply with a answer that you don't agree with yourself anymore?...

That was at that moment. Right now, I couldn't care less. A few seconds later perhaps I'll be again motivated...for this "righteousness".

I'm sorry to keep stepping around in it. But that's just not very responsible, I'm not saying it's you'r responsibility that I get a career or not. Just saying you shouldn't say something that could basically be disagreeing with what you think the next day.

I've never thought about it. Why shouldn't I exactly? I'm sorry for derailing the topic. Please tell me when I should stop posting.

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Anyway.. I want them both, I do. But my question wasn't what I should pick. But it was am I fit for it?

Do you think you fit? I believe capability relies more on hard work and motivation. What do you mean by "fit"? Are you questioning your skill?

EDIT: And yes I do realise that it was only your opinion. Wether you like chefs or not, Is not for me to decide. But what I replied with is also just my opinion.

I see. Though what a way to deliver it!

 

[Lobstrich]

I've never thought about it. Why shouldn't I exactly? I'm sorry for derailing the topic. Please tell me when I should stop posting.

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Do you think you fit? I believe capability relies more on hard work and motivation. What do you mean by "fit"? Are you questioning your skill?

Well okay.. I just don't think you should encourage me to not become a chef when you don't believe it yourself. If you believed it then encourage me as much as you want. Just expect me to act as I just did. But it would be as if I encouraged people to be "cutters" because I though it was cool.. Even though I find it extremely pathetic.

But yes please. Stop posting unless it's on-topic. Just thought I'd answer your question.


On-topic. No I'm not questioning my skills. I'm questioning wether or not I'd be able to actually "treat" people that I found pathetic. Or if I would just find their problems so inferior that I wouldn't be able to think "clearly" and stay on the case, say the right things instead of somehow ending up actually saying out loud that I think they should grow some balls.

That's what I mean by "fitting"

 

[Toad]

With your attitude I don't think you would make a very good psychologist. You seem pretty damn impatient and aggressive. You sound like a perfect chef to me. Stick with being a chef and enjoy .

ps. my cousin is from Denmark. Hey you're name isn't Dan is it!?

 

[Lobstrich]

With your attitude I don't think you would make a very good psychologist. You seem pretty damn impatient and aggressive. You sound like a perfect chef to me. Stick with being a chef and enjoy .

ps. my cousin is from Denmark. Hey you're name isn't Dan is it!?

And yes, I might sound impatient, but I am truly patient. Half of my hobbies requires nothing but patience. I've even decided to learn playing guitar myself, I don't want any teacher to teach me and dictate my style. And right now, my playing is shit. And I'm still, just playing until it finally sounds good. I also paint (ordinay paintings plus small figures.. The latter requires ALOT of patience) And I can sit and listen to people for hours and hours without trouble without getting bored. (As long as I find it interesting.. But somehow even if that isn't the case. I still manage to listen and hear every word.)

And the agressiveness might be true. But it's quite simple really. If I think people are acting like idiots. I think they need to know.

And on a forum. I have no time for patience.. I had a serious question and I got nothing but disrespect (I know that it was intented that way, Words, hehe.) And I told him/her. That, that wasn't cool.

It usually takes alot for me to "rage" like that.

PSyourself. No my name is not Dan. It's Rasmus, hehe.

 

[Jah]

Psychiatrists deal with medicine and have training as M.D., and are like doctors for mentally unstable people. (dealing with it in empirical ways, dealing drugs etc.)

Psychologists with the mind and have Masters degrees or Ph.Ds relating to the inner workings of the mind. (dealing with studies of how the mind works, etc.)

I think you have the two words even in Danish; Psykologi and Psykiatri.

So, yeah, Chef Ramsey ?
or study how the mind works ?

(that is the question, yeah ?)

Btw. Psychiatry would take you through both the normal 6 year studies to become a Doctor, and then a specialization within the field of psychiatry.

Psychology is interesting, but it's more like a hobby. check out this site; http://www.spring.org.uk/
This is psychology.


Consider also that being a Chef is a really stressful trade, with clear margins for perfection and fast tempo. So it's not for people who just like cooking. (E.g. Watch early episodes of Hell's Kitchen with Gordon Ramsey, before he's weeded out the stay-at-home Dad's that just like cooking.)


I apologize if I jump back and forth a lot here, but you probably get what I'm saying.

 

[Lobstrich]

Psychiatrists deal with medicine and have training as M.D., and are like doctors for mentally unstable people. (dealing with it in empirical ways, dealing drugs etc.)

Psychologists with the mind and have Masters degrees or Ph.Ds relating to the inner workings of the mind. (dealing with studies of how the mind works, etc.)

I think you have the two words even in Danish; Psykologi and Psykiatri.

So, yeah, Chef Ramsey ?
or study how the mind works ?

Consider also that being a Chef is a really stressful trade, with clear margins for perfection and fast tempo. So it's not for people who just like cooking. (E.g. Watch early episodes of Hell's Kitchen with Gordon Ramsey, before he's weeded out the stay-at-home Dad's that just like cooking.)


I apologize if I jump back and forth a lot here, but you probably get what I'm saying.

Oh yeah! I don't know why. But Psykiatri didn't cross my mind at all. Lol. And the clear it out I'm talking about Psychology.

And there is absolutely no need to lecture me on what being a chef is. I've been in culinary school 2 years now (not in it right now though). And I worked in several places. I know what it is =)

Still you didn't really gave me an answer.
Non of you guys have yet. Except for Toad (except there wasn't alot of explaination in it, haha)

EDIT: Oh! And yeah, I do get what you're saying!

 

[Toad]

The answer is no. You wouldn't make a good psychologist if you think your patient is whiny. Psychologists can not think that they are better than their patients. They have to be extremely empathetic to their patients problems. People who come to psychologists are suffering mentally and emotionally. They are fragile. They are not "whiners" or "emo". You cannot be apathetic!

I learned this in my psychology class. I was actually thinking about becoming a psychologist myself. I really don't like psychology much anymore though. There is just SO MUCH RESEARCH AND STUDIES you have to learn and memorize. It's ALL about memorizing. I enjoy philosophy much more.

However, if you are interested in psychology, you don't have to see patients. There are many branches of psychology. Only clinical psychologists actually deal with patients. You could do research or even teach psychology. All this still requires a PhD.

 

[Lobstrich]

However, if you are interested in psychology, you don't have to see patients. There are many branches of psychology. Only clinical psychologists actually deal with patients. You could do research or even teach psychology. All this still requires a PhD.

Yeah, I actually thought about that. I'm more interested in the treatment part. Exploring peoples minds, figuring things out. Selfish as that may be.

 

[Jah]

If you already have started professional specialization, and you enjoy working as a Chef. I suggest you keep that one going, and get really good at it.

At least, that is my advice.

 

[Maiken]

It's all about what you think you would enjoy doing for the rest of your life. Yes, I know - lame answer. I'm trying to decide what I want to be at the moment and everytime people tell me this I want to hit them and say "I fucking don't know, why do you think I'm asking for your help?!" But that's really what it comes down to. Since you are asking for people's oppinion on this; I think you should go with becomming a chef. I think you would get frustrated by the problems people have and not be satisfied with psychology in the long run.

But I don't know you and as you said you act differently on a forum than you do IRL. So it's hard to say what would fit you best. Do you already have a 'studentereksamen'? Because if you don't then you'll have a least seven more years of studying to become a psychologist and you only have to years left becomming a chef. If the time frame doesn't matter to you then I guess this doesn't matter but I thought I would mention it anyway.

Actually, I wanted to be a chef myself when I was younger Now I have no clue what I want to do...

 

[Minuend]

If you like being a chef, I would suggest continuing on that path.

What I usually tell myself when I don't know what to do is "you already made up your mind". And then I know what I want to, (but I still can't decide )

I think a well-developed INTP would make a good psychologist (with exceptions, of course, as with everything else). And I think, as a psychologist, you would realize that there's more to the person than just whining. Sure, some whine, but I don't think too many of those would waste money on a psychologist. And I think you would be more occupied with solving the problem than judging your client. (problem-solving is more interesting than judging). Also, you would have 6 years to change your perspective. Maybe you'd understand why some have greater problems dealing with things than others etc etc. Or you could just be a researcher.

And let's say I had a "cutter/emo/whiner" come to me. "I added whiner because I think cutting and emo'ing is whining." I would just find them pathetic, I would get angry. Just think "get some fucking balls, grow up and live your life. Stop sitting around and whining about something that is not even a problem"

I don't see how cutting and "emo'ing" is whining in itself. Cutting is often the result of psychological pain being too unbearable. Cutting, alcohol, drugs.... whatever takes the pain away. Being emo is probably the result of feeling disconnected with others, feeling different (among other things). When you join the emo scene, at least you know there are other people like yourself. You're not the only odd one out. It's probably a relief, I don't see what's so pathetic about it. Being juvenile is all about figuring out who you are and where you belong.

If other people's lifestyles annoy you so, maybe you should ask yourself why.

 

[Ska]

I've been thinking about becoming a psychologist or psychiatrist myself lately. I'm curious as to which one you guys would be good for an INTP. Psychology sounds more interesting in it's description (the science of the mind as opposed to medical treatment of it), but I think it'd be more interesting to figure out psychopaths or something. I don't know, I've heard psychology can be a lot of counseling and therapy sessions which seem like they could get kind of lame.

What do you guys think would be better?

 

[Lobstrich]

I think a well-developed INTP would make a good psychologist (with exceptions, of course, as with everything else). And I think, as a psychologist, you would realize that there's more to the person than just whining. Sure, some whine, but I don't think too many of those would waste money on a psychologist. And I think you would be more occupied with solving the problem than judging your client. (problem-solving is more interesting than judging). Also, you would have 6 years to change your perspective. Maybe you'd understand why some have greater problems dealing with things than others etc etc. Or you could just be a researcher.

I don't see how cutting and "emo'ing" is whining in itself. Cutting is often the result of psychological pain being too unbearable. Cutting, alcohol, drugs.... whatever takes the pain away. Being emo is probably the result of feeling disconnected with others, feeling different (among other things). When you join the emo scene, at least you know there are other people like yourself. You're not the only odd one out. It's probably a relief, I don't see what's so pathetic about it. Being juvenile is all about figuring out who you are and where you belong.
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Hmmm. I've never thought of that, the first part you said. With the "problems before judging" And that might actually be true. And I have even more time you develop MY 'problem'
That really gave me something to think about, thanks =)

And the cutting thing. I do find it pathetic. Sure you say "it takes the pain away" releases endorphins. But it doesn't take your mind away. Doing a shit load of drugs that doesn't make you think of anything else than unicorns and smileys on blue birds takes your mind away from whatever thinking you are trying to escape.

Same with suicide attempts. It's nothing but attention 'calls'
And don't tell me it isn't. It's that, or just a fucked up person who is very fucking bored.
If you truly want to die. You do it properly.

Emo's are pathetic for exactly the things you mentioned "The need to be part of a group of people" - "be like others"
Why can't you be like yourself? You're a unique person, and if it wasn't for some stupid fucking facade with a crappy "I wanna die, cause life sucks"
Attitude you would probably be a beautiful/smart/funny/cool person

I know that you probably think that I'm just immature when I say stuff like this. But I truly find them pathetic.. At some points I'd like to develop myself, and not be so judging, at others (@Emo) I do not think I need to developr, nor do I want.

Maybe developed and figured out where I want to be a whole lot faster than them? I don't know.

And the emo. That might sound like a quote from a extroverted person. Who can't put his/her mind into the fact that we INTP's think differently.

But as someone said in another posts "INTP's are either a emtional mess or very apathetic" I'm the latter.

 

[Minuend]

And the cutting thing. I do find it pathetic. Sure you say "it takes the pain away" releases endorphins. But it doesn't take your mind away. Doing a shit load of drugs that doesn't make you think of anything else than unicorns and smileys on blue birds takes your mind away from whatever thinking you are trying to escape.

Well, it's not the best solution. But desperate people do desperate things. Great pain alters your way of thinking. Brain scans may reveal depression, because, for instance, they have different activity in the amygdala. In the future, I hope brain scans will be a part of the diagnosis of depression. It will help people understand that it's not just something you can brush off and forget about like that. It's an actual chemical reaction. When you're deep down in a well, surrounded by darkness, there's nothing to help you up. No ropes, no living beings, no light, just eternal darkness every way you look. Cutting into your own flesh disconnects you from the dark, if only for a moment.

Same with suicide attempts. It's nothing but attention 'calls'
And don't tell me it isn't. It's that, or just a fucked up person who is very fucking bored.
If you truly want to die. You do it properly.

It isn't. Of course there are always those who crave that attention. And if they do, they probably need treatment- one way or the other. A healthy human being does not do such things.

Some try and fail. People aren't very knowledgeable about dieing, it would seem. Some still think the best way is cutting your wrist vertically. Pills have a higher survival rate as well. Most people who kill themselves are men, because their ways of doing it are more brutal (hanging, shooting). While women have taken a liking to pills. Men are also more likely to kill themselves without warning because they do not know they are depressed. A lot of men are irritable when depressed, not "sad". And thus less likely to seek help.

Emo's are pathetic for exactly the things you mentioned "The need to be part of a group of people" - "be like others"
Why can't you be like yourself? You're a unique person, and if it wasn't for some stupid fucking facade with a crappy "I wanna die, cause life sucks"
Attitude you would probably be a beautiful/smart/funny/cool person

Heh, I think you underestimate human's basic needs for belonging and acceptance. If you have no friends you connect with, a family who may love you, but don't understand you or subtly wish you were different... If you feel isolated from everyone around you, never acknowledged, never appreciated, never seen... Why would you believe in your own worth if nobody else ever did?

I don't believe self-esteem comes purely from within. When living among other humans, what they think is more important than that. We are all influenced in one way or the other. Some more than others. It's not pleasing to be dependent on others like this, but at the same time, human cooperation has brought us this far in knowledge, technology, everything.

I know that you probably think that I'm just immature when I say stuff like this. But I truly find them pathetic.. At some points I'd like to develop myself, and not be so judging, at others (@Emo) I do not think I need to developr, nor do I want.

Well, you see, I don't really. I'm problem-solving :]

I think a lot of NTs think the way you do at some point in their life. I did myself. I do treat myself that way ("get over it, your feelings aren't valid"), but for some reason I see other people differently. They are allowed to suffer, I'm not.

Edit: Actually, in regards to emos, most people find them pathetic, I think. I was talking about the emotion- thingy.

Maybe developed and figured out where I want to be a whole lot faster than them? I don't know.

Or maybe you were more fortunate. Maybe you had at least one friend who could accept your weird quirks. Maybe you had some special skill or talent you could turn to, an identity. In addition, not all have an equal amount of self-confidence, regardless. INTPs often question themselves, I believe. Which is both good and bad.

I actually believe a lot of goths and emos develop faster than the average person. I've met a great deal of them, especially goths, (emos are newer). Goths are often intellectuals. I think that's part of the reason they join the goth scene. They can see the darkness that lurks under the glistened portray of the world they are shown every day. I actually think a great deal of them are intuitives.

And the emo. That might sound like a quote from a extroverted person. Who can't put his/her mind into the fact that we INTP's think differently.

You're comparing your own views with that extrovert? It wasn't entirely clear, just making sure. But I agree with that. That's why I would think INTPs would be more likely to understand the outcasts, because we click a bit differently too.

But as someone said in another posts "INTP's are either a emtional mess or very apathetic" I'm the latter.

Well, I don't agree with that. INTPs are perfectly capable of showing compassion, it just takes a lot of work. And we probably show it a bit differently (actions rather than words). I do think a lot of them, myself included, kinda prefer to be apathetic. Maybe because we are really, really, sucky at managing our emotions. The only way we know of, is to suppress them. Anyway, being INTP is no excuse for being a douche. I mean, generally speaking. Not intended at you personally.

 

[Lobstrich]

Well, it's not the best solution. But desperate people do desperate things. Great pain alters your way of thinking. Brain scans may reveal depression, because, for instance, they have different activity in the amygdala. In the future, I hope brain scans will be a part of the diagnosis of depression. It will help people understand that it's not just something you can brush off and forget about like that. It's an actual chemical reaction. When you're deep down in a well, surrounded by darkness, there's nothing to help you up. No ropes, no living beings, no light, just eternal darkness every way you look. Cutting into your own flesh disconnects you from the dark, if only for a moment.



It isn't. Of course there are always those who crave that attention. And if they do, they probably need treatment- one way or the other. A healthy human being does not do such things.

Some try and fail. People aren't very knowledgeable about dieing, it would seem. Some still think the best way is cutting your wrist vertically. Pills have a higher survival rate as well. Most people who kill themselves are men, because their ways of doing it are more brutal (hanging, shooting). While women have taken a liking to pills. Men are also more likely to kill themselves without warning because they do not know they are depressed. A lot of men are irritable when depressed, not "sad". And thus less likely to seek help.

EDIT: Yes I do realise that just because I know that I'm an INTP. That it doesn't give me the right to be a heartless douchebag because the description says that's what it is. That's just how I am.
I didn't dictate my opinions into this. Just because I found out that I'm an INTP.. There's a reason I got INTP form the beginning: I've always been like this.
I don't know if you were in the "depression" post. It was quite active. And so was I, in it. I was a bit blind back then, I've actually 'expanded' my views alot since coming here.
But I had alot to say in the thread. (Just making sure that YOU realise that I truly am this way, hehe)




Heh, I think you underestimate human's basic needs for belonging and acceptance. If you have no friends you connect with, a family who may love you, but don't understand you or subtly wish you were different... If you feel isolated from everyone around you, never acknowledged, never appreciated, never seen... Why would you believe in your own worth if nobody else ever did?

I don't believe self-esteem comes purely from within. When living among other humans, what they think is more important than that. We are all influenced in one way or the other. Some more than others. It's not pleasing to be dependent on others like this, but at the same time, human cooperation has brought us this far in knowledge, technology, everything.



Well, you see, I don't really. I'm problem-solving :]

I think a lot of NTs think the way you do at some point in their life. I did myself. I do treat myself that way ("get over it, your feelings aren't valid"), but for some reason I see other people differently. They are allowed to suffer, I'm not.

Edit: Actually, in regards to emos, most people find them pathetic, I think. I was talking about the emotion- thingy.



Or maybe you were more fortunate. Maybe you had at least one friend who could accept your weird quirks. Maybe you had some special skill or talent you could turn to, an identity. In addition, not all have an equal amount of self-confidence, regardless. INTPs often question themselves, I believe. Which is both good and bad.

I actually believe a lot of goths and emos develop faster than the average person. I've met a great deal of them, especially goths, (emos are newer). Goths are often intellectuals. I think that's part of the reason they join the goth scene. They can see the darkness that lurks under the glistened portray of the world they are shown every day. I actually think a great deal of them are intuitives.



You're comparing your own views with that extrovert? It wasn't entirely clear, just making sure. But I agree with that. That's why I would think INTPs would be more likely to understand the outcasts, because we click a bit differently too.



Well, I don't agree with that. INTPs are perfectly capable of showing compassion, it just takes a lot of work. And we probably show it a bit differently (actions rather than words). I do think a lot of them, myself included, kinda prefer to be apathetic. Maybe because we are really, really, sucky at managing our emotions. The only way we know of, is to suppress them. Anyway, being INTP is no excuse for being a douche. I mean, generally speaking. Not intended at you personally.

I'm jut quoting all your stuff.. I haven't figured out the multi-quote.

I agree on you reply to my emo thing. That people need to be together.
It's very true. But that doens't mean that you have to walk aroun and clinge to whatever stupid trend there is. Smoking because the other guys do it. Joining in on happy slapping (when that was popular) walking in goth clothes because your friends do. Join the football team.... Because your friends did. Do what YOU want.

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No I wouldn't say that I was mo fortunate. I would say I was stronger.
I didn't really have any friends when I was a kid. Not until 7-8th grade, thats where I really got a friend. (I assume that you have the same school system as us in Denmark)
And as I said that I was just stronger and said "hey, I'm a mess. I like Hendrix, I don't like soccer. I think Lady gaga is fucking bullshit. And you're dumb as fuck.. You don't even know what the difference between a conservative or socialist is.. You just spout shit, that you don't know anything about..... I don't." And that's what people didn't like. I was just different. I have no doubt that if i had spouted shit about politics as well (that was a example by the way) Or if I played soccer, or enjoyed techno. Or at least acted like I did. I would be just as popular as them

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Yes, I was saying that my way of thinking might be a bit like a extroverted going "Why can't you just act fucking normal?" (Normal: As in not 'whine' not whatever people think is normal) I'm not very extroverted though.

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And I agree with your last part, on the middle between mess and apathetic. But the point was still that I am apathetic. It's very rare that I show compassion. It's very rare that I want to show compassion. And it's very rare that I think people deserve the compassion I have to give them.
(And when I say deserve I mean. That if they don't deserve it, their problems are just to inferior. Not 'grave' enough)

 

[Lobstrich]

Well, it's not the best solution. But desperate people do desperate things. Great pain alters your way of thinking. Brain scans may reveal depression, because, for instance, they have different activity in the amygdala. In the future, I hope brain scans will be a part of the diagnosis of depression. It will help people understand that it's not just something you can brush off and forget about like that. It's an actual chemical reaction. When you're deep down in a well, surrounded by darkness, there's nothing to help you up. No ropes, no living beings, no light, just eternal darkness every way you look. Cutting into your own flesh disconnects you from the dark, if only for a moment.



It isn't. Of course there are always those who crave that attention. And if they do, they probably need treatment- one way or the other. A healthy human being does not do such things.

Some try and fail. People aren't very knowledgeable about dieing, it would seem. Some still think the best way is cutting your wrist vertically. Pills have a higher survival rate as well. Most people who kill themselves are men, because their ways of doing it are more brutal (hanging, shooting). While women have taken a liking to pills. Men are also more likely to kill themselves without warning because they do not know they are depressed. A lot of men are irritable when depressed, not "sad". And thus less likely to seek help.



Heh, I think you underestimate human's basic needs for belonging and acceptance. If you have no friends you connect with, a family who may love you, but don't understand you or subtly wish you were different... If you feel isolated from everyone around you, never acknowledged, never appreciated, never seen... Why would you believe in your own worth if nobody else ever did?

I don't believe self-esteem comes purely from within. When living among other humans, what they think is more important than that. We are all influenced in one way or the other. Some more than others. It's not pleasing to be dependent on others like this, but at the same time, human cooperation has brought us this far in knowledge, technology, everything.



Well, you see, I don't really. I'm problem-solving :]

I think a lot of NTs think the way you do at some point in their life. I did myself. I do treat myself that way ("get over it, your feelings aren't valid"), but for some reason I see other people differently. They are allowed to suffer, I'm not.

Edit: Actually, in regards to emos, most people find them pathetic, I think. I was talking about the emotion- thingy.



Or maybe you were more fortunate. Maybe you had at least one friend who could accept your weird quirks. Maybe you had some special skill or talent you could turn to, an identity. In addition, not all have an equal amount of self-confidence, regardless. INTPs often question themselves, I believe. Which is both good and bad.

I actually believe a lot of goths and emos develop faster than the average person. I've met a great deal of them, especially goths, (emos are newer). Goths are often intellectuals. I think that's part of the reason they join the goth scene. They can see the darkness that lurks under the glistened portray of the world they are shown every day. I actually think a great deal of them are intuitives.



You're comparing your own views with that extrovert? It wasn't entirely clear, just making sure. But I agree with that. That's why I would think INTPs would be more likely to understand the outcasts, because we click a bit differently too.



Well, I don't agree with that. INTPs are perfectly capable of showing compassion, it just takes a lot of work. And we probably show it a bit differently (actions rather than words). I do think a lot of them, myself included, kinda prefer to be apathetic. Maybe because we are really, really, sucky at managing our emotions. The only way we know of, is to suppress them. Anyway, being INTP is no excuse for being a douche. I mean, generally speaking. Not intended at you personally.

I'm jut quoting all your stuff.. I haven't figured out the multi-quote.

I agree on you reply to my emo thing. That people need to be together.
It's very true. But that doens't mean that you have to walk aroun and clinge to whatever stupid trend there is. Smoking because the other guys do it. Joining in on happy slapping (when that was popular) walking in goth clothes because your friends do. Join the football team.... Because your friends did. Do what YOU want.

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No I wouldn't say that I was mo fortunate. I would say I was stronger.
I didn't really have any friends when I was a kid. Not until 7-8th grade, thats where I really got a friend. (I assume that you have the same school system as us in Denmark)
And as I said that I was just stronger and said "hey, I'm a mess. I like Hendrix, I don't like soccer. I think Lady gaga is fucking bullshit. And you're dumb as fuck.. You don't even know what the difference between a conservative or socialist is.. You just spout shit, that you don't know anything about..... I don't." And that's what people didn't like. I was just different. I have no doubt that if i had spouted shit about politics as well (that was a example by the way) Or if I played soccer, or enjoyed techno. Or at least acted like I did. I would be just as popular as them

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Yes, I was saying that my way of thinking might be a bit like a extroverted going "Why can't you just act fucking normal?" (Normal: As in not 'whine' not whatever people think is normal) I'm not very extroverted though.

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And I agree with your last part, on the middle between mess and apathetic. But the point was still that I am apathetic. It's very rare that I show compassion. It's very rare that I want to show compassion. And it's very rare that I think people deserve the compassion I have to give them.
(And when I say deserve I mean. That if they don't deserve it, their problems are just to inferior. Not 'grave' enough)

EDIT: Man I just edited my post alot and it deletes it.
So here is the short version: I realise that just because I know that I'm a INTP, that doesn't give the right to be a heartless douchebag. Just because the description says so. I didn't dictate my opinions into INTP's opinions. There is a reason I got INTP in the first place: I truly am this way, if you participated in the "depression" thread. You'd realise I had the same opinions like here. Except I was a bit blind then.
Coming to this forum has really 'expanded' my views, not really changed them. But made them more tolerant.

 

[Toad]

I think you are an insensitive jerk.

 

[Lobstrich]

I think you are an insensitive jerk.

Wow, lol okay. I realise that. No need to be a jerk about it

In what way though? I love getting critisism (as long as it's constructive)
I like to 'improve' myself.
I'm jerk because I don't like emo's?
What is it it?

 

[Lobstrich]

Uops sorry for the double post. Don't know why there's two. Read the scond though. It has the edit. in it.

 

[Puffy]

You do understand Lobstrich the majority of people you will be counselling will be 'emo's' people with emotional problems, no offence but there is no way I'd want to see a psychologist who said the above. You have to be patient and understanding with your patients, the counselling wouldn't be about yourself and how well you coped with your problems it's about the patient and how they are struggling to.

I'd seriously consider being a Chef. If you love the mind that much go into research.

 

[Niavmai]

Personally I don't like the idea of being alone in a room with a person that could possibly have violent tendencies.

 

[Lobstrich]

You do understand Lobstrich the majority of people you will be counselling will be 'emo's' people with emotional problems, no offence but there is no way I'd want to see a psychologist who said the above. You have to be patient and understanding with your patients, the counselling wouldn't be about yourself and how well you coped with your problems it's about the patient and how they are struggling to.

I'd seriously consider being a Chef. If you love the mind that much go into research.

That's true. And I don't get how you guys keep misunderstanding me. When I say Emo's I mean straight out emo's dyed black hair, eye liner and weird make up that looks like they are crying + the crying.

I'm not talking about a guy/girl. Whose just been told he/she has cancer. And doesn't know wether it's death or not.
That's not being emo. That's being afraid to leave this world. There is a difference.
I can't stress how much I mean it when I'm saying that Emo doesn't equal a person who is sad about whatever problem they have. In my book Emo's are people that cry, just for the sake of crying and are nothing but attention whores.
I'm not saying that any of you guys are emo's, if that's why you are all so defensive

You're very naive if you think, that I think EVERY person who is either sad, happy is a emo and/or cutter..

 

[Lobstrich]

Personally I don't like the idea of being alone in a room with a person that could possibly have violent tendencies.

Violent tendencies?
Are you reffering to me?

EDIT: If you were. Let me tell you that I am quite harmless. I have a potty mouth when I get angry though, which I actually don't like. Sometimes I come out very ignorant, and stupid, To say the least.
I'd like to be able to tell people exactly what I think without all the insulting.
I guess that's just how I am.

 

[Niavmai]

Violent tendencies?
Are you reffering to me?

EDIT: If you were. Let me tell you that I am quite harmless. I have a potty mouth when I get angry though, which I actually don't like. Sometimes I come out very ignorant, and stupid, To say the least.
I'd like to be able to tell people exactly what I think without all the insulting.
I guess that's just how I am.

Or the.. patient at hand..?

 

[Lobstrich]

Or the.. patient at hand..?

So you're saying that because one is in treatment. One has violent tendencies??

 

[Niavmai]

So you're saying that because one is in treatment. One has violent tendencies?? Wow..

Not sure where your train of thought is coming from. Psychiatrist see multiple patients, and it's very likely that at least one of them will have violent tendencies.

 

[Lobstrich]

Not sure where your train of thought is coming from. Psychiatrist see multiple patients, and it's very likely that at least one of them will have violent tendencies.

My train of thought is coming from your station.

You said "I wouldn't want to be in a room with someone who has violent tendencies" Almost like it's a fact that because you're in treatment you're violent.

I was wrong, cool.

 

[Minuend]

I agree on you reply to my emo thing. That people need to be together.
It's very true. But that doens't mean that you have to walk aroun and clinge to whatever stupid trend there is. Smoking because the other guys do it. Joining in on happy slapping (when that was popular) walking in goth clothes because your friends do. Join the football team.... Because your friends did. Do what YOU want.

I have to clarify. I didn't mean they join the emo scene just because they want to feel like they belong somewhere. Odds are, they are attracted to it in some way. Maybe they just like the clothing. I actually like the goth/ emo/ metal- style. I don't wear all black myself, but it certainly is an a appealing color.

No I wouldn't say that I was mo fortunate. I would say I was stronger.
I didn't really have any friends when I was a kid. Not until 7-8th grade, thats where I really got a friend. (I assume that you have the same school system as us in Denmark)
And as I said that I was just stronger and said "hey, I'm a mess. I like Hendrix, I don't like soccer. I think Lady gaga is fucking bullshit. And you're dumb as fuck.. You don't even know what the difference between a conservative or socialist is.. You just spout shit, that you don't know anything about..... I don't." And that's what people didn't like. I was just different. I have no doubt that if i had spouted shit about politics as well (that was a example by the way) Or if I played soccer, or enjoyed techno. Or at least acted like I did. I would be just as popular as them

Well, there you go. Other people are to blame for you not having too much friends. IF you shared their interests, they would like you. Some people don't think like this. They believe that their entire character is flawed. That there's really nothing likable about them. And why would they, when they were told their entire lives that they were worthless?

And I agree with your last part, on the middle between mess and apathetic. But the point was still that I am apathetic. It's very rare that I show compassion. It's very rare that I want to show compassion. And it's very rare that I think people deserve the compassion I have to give them.
(And when I say deserve I mean. That if they don't deserve it, their problems are just to inferior. Not 'grave' enough)

Why do you get to decide what's serious and not?

No problems are really grave enough when compared to other people's problems. I believe this was mentioned in a different thread as well.

Instead of throwing judgments around, I suggest you try to understand how things work. Or at least read some basic psychology (I think you need it either way). It doesn't seem like you really grasp how the mind works. I don't think INTP when I read your posts in this thread, I think normal teenager (and if you're not a teenager...). I believe it's quite common for them to dislike unmanly feelings and thrash anyone who is different from themselves. I would think an INTP would be more concerned with understanding how the world works, than indulging in petty gossip.

 

[shoeless]

(haven't read the entire thread.)

i saw the disclaimer, but i still find the OP to be rather offensive. you can't (or i should say, shouldn't) be a psychologist if you lack empathy. saying that all cutters are just whiners is a bias anyway, and that would get in the way of your analysis. it's completely counter-productive. if you can't think enough to realize that the problem is greater than just being "whiney", you can't really analyze it properly, can you? the whole point is getting to the root of the problem. that bypasses the whineyness.

in short: don't be an asshole. be a chef. make me a sandwich and i won't mind you so much.

 

[Lobstrich]

(haven't read the entire thread.)

i saw the disclaimer, but i still find the OP to be rather offensive. you can't (or i should say, shouldn't) be a psychologist if you lack empathy. saying that all cutters are just whiners is a bias anyway, and that would get in the way of your analysis. it's completely counter-productive. if you can't think enough to realize that the problem is greater than just being "whiney", you can't really analyze it properly, can you? the whole point is getting to the root of the problem. that bypasses the whineyness.

in short: don't be an asshole. be a chef. make me a sandwich and i won't mind you so much.

And that's offensive as well. If you can't be bothered to read the what I said after the OP then you shouldn't bother writing anything at all.
Please read all posts.. I point out later that I don't think EVERY person who has feelings is a whiner. I'd be straight out idiot, if I did that.

 

[Vatroslav]

If you like cooking, go and cook. You can always explore human psyche...

That's all.

 

[Lobstrich]

I have to clarify. I didn't mean they join the emo scene just because they want to feel like they belong somewhere. Odds are, they are attracted to it in some way. Maybe they just like the clothing. I actually like the goth/ emo/ metal- style. I don't wear all black myself, but it certainly is an a appealing color.



Well, there you go. Other people are to blame for you not having too much friends. IF you shared their interests, they would like you. Some people don't think like this. They believe that their entire character is flawed. That there's really nothing likable about them. And why would they, when they were told their entire lives that they were worthless?



Why do you get to decide what's serious and not?

No problems are really grave enough when compared to other people's problems. I believe this was mentioned in a different thread as well.

Instead of throwing judgments around, I suggest you try to understand how things work. Or at least read some basic psychology (I think you need it either way). It doesn't seem like you really grasp how the mind works. I don't think INTP when I read your posts in this thread, I think normal teenager (and if you're not a teenager...). I believe it's quite common for them to dislike unmanly feelings and thrash anyone who is different from themselves. I would think an INTP would be more concerned with understanding how the world works, than indulging in petty gossip.

That's true. I find black appealing as well.. Can't really 'come back' on that.

Well i was told I was worthless my whole life as well. Been picked on all the time. My father wasn't in my life. And my mothers husband is a drug addict. There's alot of "you're worthless, thinking"

And it's true I don't get to decide what is seirous or not!
I might have put it a bit wrong. I just find it disrespectful when a person sits and cry because he/she lost his girl/boyfriend, and they expect everybody to comfort them, give them attention. When there's kids that's seen they own mom get raped, getting one's legs cut off, 'stuff' like that (Civil Was 'terrors' was the example here)
And in this case I'd say that the loss of a loved one is inferior.
Trust me! I understand why people are sad that they loose a loved one. I am myself! No doubt about it..
But to expect and demand everyone's attention. THAT is my problem.
I guess I have some kind of grudge, or something. I can't deal with peoples problems, I really CANT. I don't 'like' to comfort.
And I've been trashed a couple of times because I wasn't able to give the mandatory "Oh! Poor you.. Must be tough! Don't worry. It'll be aaaall right honey"

And you saying that I'm not an INTP is pretty much insulting. Just because I don't think like you or any other INTP's doesn't mean I'm not one.
You have to realise that I know my point of view when it comes to that emo thing is pretty extroverted. In the sense that I can't accept that they are different. Well I CAN, I love difference. Except they aren't different they are just part of another group (If it's the appeal to the looks of if they actually are 'emo' no matter.) Besides, I don't have to like the people just because I accept differences. I'm a socialist, I don't like conservative thinking, but I accept it.

And when you say I should look in to psychology do you mean in the sense that I should explore my own thinking or plain out do some research?
(I've been to Aloooot of psychologist, haha.)

(By the way. Thanks for all the great input. I might seem like I'm just upholding my blind and arrogant opinions, but I really am listening. And you really are helping out! )

 

[Lobstrich]

If you like cooking, go and cook. You can always explore human psyche...

That's all.

True! Hehe.

 

[kisstherain]

I think you are an insensitive jerk.

WOW, I agree.

It's GREAT that you're emotionally stable enough to think that contemplating suicide is ridiculous. Like really, it is.

But unless you've been there, I don't think you have the right to go around generalizing and judging people based on the few "emo's" you've encountered.

And if you plan on ignorantly judging and looking down on people who simply need help to learn to deal with their emotions in a healthy way, then PLEASE don't go into psychology. I pity your future clients.



And are you SURE you're an INTP? You seem to be doing a whole lot of (pointless/groundless) Judging to me...which I must say I find a bit annoying. But then again, I'm no expert.

 

[Lobstrich]

WOW, I agree.

It's GREAT that you're emotionally stable enough to think that contemplating suicide is ridiculous. Like really, it is.

But unless you've been there, I don't think you have the right to go around generalizing and judging people based on the few "emo's" you've encountered.

And if you plan on ignorantly judging and looking down on people who simply need help to learn to deal with their emotions in a healthy way, then PLEASE don't go into psychology. I pity your future clients.



And are you SURE you're an INTP? You seem to be doing a whole lot of (pointless/groundless) Judging to me...which I must say I find a bit annoying. But then again, I'm no expert.

Please stop doubting wether or not I'm an INTP. If I wasn't I wouldn't say I was. And I would NOT waste my time here, getting bashed for my opinions (I don't mind it though)
I'm just saying that I wouldn't be here.. Asking people like me for advice, because I realise that I'm far from fully developed.
I'm very ignorant, and insensitive.. And a jerk.
But I'm willing to let you guys tell me what you think. That's why I'm asking. Because I will always want to "improve" myself. (Which Minuend is helping me do, by actually giving me objective and 'colorful' answers.)

And I'm not generalizing. Please read all my posts. I said countless times that I have no problem with people that have problems.
Never did I say that a person with a problem is a emo/whiner OR cutter. I might be a bit ignorant.. But I'm not THAT ignorant.

EDIT: Besides.. Just because I judge, or think certain people are idiots. Is not automatically a sign of me not being an INTP.
Everybody has certain "hates" I have an INTP mind. But I might have different opinions.
In my opinion.. Opinions are products of your mind. And they all come out differently based on how one grew up and all kinds of influences like friends, society, TV etc.

 

[BigApplePi]

Not sure where your train of thought is coming from. Psychiatrist see multiple patients, and it's very likely that at least one of them will have violent tendencies.

If you learn that then you discuss those violent tendencies. Usually they are aware of them and they are aware they are harmful to themselves. If they are psychotic though, that is different. Psychiatrists will use controlling drugs.

 

[BigApplePi]

Lobstrich I just quickly read the entire thread up to here. I admire the openness of the discussion. Hope to be back tomorrow with comments.

Meanwhile I was trying to think of what a chef and a psychologist have in common. Offhand I think both involve observation of the field of ingredients and the end result is how well the result is put together. (But that may apply to any field -- just what I came up with.) Whether the ingredients are edibles or experiences, one is trying to put together an acceptable meal or psyche.

 

[Lobstrich]

Lobstrich I just quickly read the entire thread up to here. I admire the openness of the discussion. Hope to be back tomorrow with comments.

Meanwhile I was trying to think of what a chef and a psychologist have in common. Offhand I think both involve observation of the field of ingredients and the end result is how well the result is put together. (But that may apply to any field -- just what I came up with.) Whether the ingredients are edibles or experiences, one is trying to put together an acceptable meal or psyche.

Yes I would wonder as well. They don't seem to be in the same "league" But that's what interests me. Alot of things interest me. I'd love to become a historian as well. But more as a hobby. Not really as a career. As I can't really see how a career would go for me as a historian if I weren't one of those lucky ones that gets to advice on films, books and documentaries.

Oh, and thank you. For realising that I'm not just "trolling" But I'm more likely, just a bit "confused" and under developed. Maybe even a bit immature. Not in the sense of how I behave. But my thinking.
But, I'm not saything that's what I am. I'm just trying to figure out why I'm generally a douche. To be honest I think I'm kind of a minor version of Dr. House. Stupid as that may sound. But everybody hates him for his opinions, and how he just tells people what they think. But they are still his friends and he treats them nicely (kind of) And he's in a major conflict with himself, in which he realises that he is an idiot.
But for some reason he just doesn't change himself, he isn't willing to. Even though he knows that he is pushing people away (Look at this forum.. Half the people in here, either neglect my "INTP'ness" or call me a jerk)
It's the same in the "real world" I only have a couple of friends, close ones though.

And THAT is really how I feel.. I know I could probably have a girlfriend right now (which is pretty normal for 18 year old people)
Or I could at least not be the outcast everywhere I go.
If I just stopped clinging to my principles the way I do. The way House does (Sorry that I keep mentioning a fictional character.. I'm just trying to put you, and whoever reads this. Into my situation. And he is the perfect example)
To be honest. House, is the most amazing person I know (fictional)
I've always 'loved' him. I watch the series for him, and his development.
And not because of the medical mysteries, they are boring to me (compared to him)
And that is probably because I can relate to him in such an extreme way.

I'm going to stop now.. I have no idea where all this just came from. Hope it helps though! Haha.


And lastly a second thank you, for actually reading it all.. I'm amazed! Hehe. I'm looking forward to reading your comment!

 

[Niavmai]

If you learn that then you discuss those violent tendencies. Usually they are aware of them and they are aware they are harmful to themselves. If they are psychotic though, that is different. Psychiatrists will use controlling drugs.

The point was that I wouldn't want to be the first to find out, by being possibly injured/killed.

 

[Toad]

It is actually very rare for psychotic people to hurt others. The World Health Organization says that mentally ill people are much more likely to be victims than to victimize others. I can see them hurting themselves more than anything.

Anyyyyways. That had nothing to do with the topic. I'm just bored so I like to say random things in threads I randomly read. Hehe.

 

[Minuend]

And it's true I don't get to decide what is seirous or not!
I might have put it a bit wrong. I just find it disrespectful when a person sits and cry because he/she lost his girl/boyfriend, and they expect everybody to comfort them, give them attention. When there's kids that's seen they own mom get raped, getting one's legs cut off, 'stuff' like that (Civil Was 'terrors' was the example here)
And in this case I'd say that the loss of a loved one is inferior.

But inferior does not mean "not serious at all". Loosing an arm is inferior to loosing both legs and arms, but it doesn't mean it can't be a painful experience still.

Disrespectful.. You know, you don't always have the whole story. If a person is overwhelmingly depressed about something you find trivial, maybe there's something more to it that they're not telling. Maybe it's just the most recent event in a very tragic story. Of course there are "drama queens". But you never know for certain. Overwhelming drama queen- behavior might even be a symptom of a mental disease. Which might come from abusive parents or so.

I wonder, though. If emos were being emo together and you never heard of their "whining", would it be okay for them to be emos? Or do you find just the idea of some emos gathering 'round and whining annoying?

Seems to me like the thing that actually annoys you, are people who crave emotional attention. And to you, emos are the ultimate symbol of people who do so.

But to expect and demand everyone's attention. THAT is my problem.
I guess I have some kind of grudge, or something. I can't deal with peoples problems, I really CANT. I don't 'like' to comfort.

I don't really know how psychologist work, but do they comfort much? Don't they just ask questions and try having the client finding their own truth to create a better self-image? Like:
pasient: I look like crap
psych: what makes you think that? How does that make you feel? =]

Though, you need a lot of pasience to be a psychologist. There are people who are able to annoy you in a hundred different ways. But as you grow more self-aware, I think you are more able to control your annoyance. It's also requires some practice. If you tell yourself you are annoyed, you definitely will be so.

And you saying that I'm not an INTP is pretty much insulting. Just because I don't think like you or any other INTP's doesn't mean I'm not one.
You have to realise that I know my point of view when it comes to that emo thing is pretty extroverted. In the sense that I can't accept that they are different. Well I CAN, I love difference. Except they aren't different they are just part of another group (If it's the appeal to the looks of if they actually are 'emo' no matter.) Besides, I don't have to like the people just because I accept differences. I'm a socialist, I don't like conservative thinking, but I accept it.

Actually, that wasn't my intention. I just meant that you talk about being INTP and different. But what I saw was the opinion of someone who was the "same". And by "same" I mean the intolerance of people who are different. That's not a type-thing, everybody has the capacity to be intolerant. It's quite a common phenomenon. I was rather trying to encourage you to understand how the pieces fit together. You came off way more oblivious in your first posts. But seeing as you're actually processing peoples' inputs (didn't seem like you did at first), I think it was unnecessary.

And when you say I should look in to psychology do you mean in the sense that I should explore my own thinking or plain out do some research?
(I've been to Aloooot of psychologist, haha.)

I meant research, yes. It's very entertaining. I find various personality disorders very intriguing. Depression too is a favorite subject of mine. It's easier to see the bigger picture when you know more.