PsycheType Declares War on Pod'Lair

[Lyra]

Via the DismantlingPodlair Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSiaZPZJiyM

 

[Lyra]

p.s. I thought this was lol enough for its own thread, but please do merge it if you feel differently...

 

[BigApplePi]

At first we have to put up with one J* and now another J. You J's are all alike. Just sic any P** on any one of them. P's will eat J's for breakfast. Any P can clean any J's clock. I would feel so sure of that if only feelings could be trusted. I would think for sure that would be correct but am still working on the unproven proof.

*A J is defined as an XXXJ
**A P is defined as an XXXP

 

[Lyra]

hm, that doesn't make much sense Pi. Some 'P' have lead discernment, some lead perception. What you're talking about is adaptive and directive, and they/we work in a beautiful harmony whose structure is inherently not just about one or the other. The overall human psyche is beautifully interconnected and dynamically constructed in such a way that really understanding it tends to do away with those kinds of P/J/NT/Sensor stereotypes, which are universally mis-applied anyway. If you understand yourself you understand your relation to the whole, and... how you are it in a particular form, not just 'yourself' or your 'type'.

 

[BigApplePi]

hm, that doesn't make much sense Pi.

How could it for you? You is a Pod'Liarite and a J at that.

Some 'P' have lead discernment, some lead perception.

Sounds good.

What you're talking about is adaptive and directive, and they/we work in a beautiful harmony whose structure is inherently not just about one or the other.

What you say is ambiguous. Harmony in what? The same person? Different persons? Certainly there is disharmony. Where is the credit to its existence? You and I are disharmonious ... is we not?

The overall human psyche is beautifully interconnected and dynamically constructed in such a way that really understanding it tends to do away with those kinds of P/J/NT/Sensor stereotypes, which are universally mis-applied anyway.

Sounds dogmatic. Again are you talking one psyche or different people?

If you understand yourself you understand your relation to the whole, and... how you are it in a particular form, not just 'yourself' or your 'type'.

That sounds promising. I do question the hardness of a formal type anyway.

 

[Lyra]

Uh... let's really not do this again, Pi. It's seriously tiring.

 

[BigApplePi]

I agree with the tiring part. Could this guy be a relative of yours?

 

[Etheri]

Can't we just dismiss all non-exact sciences as pseudoscience and be done with it? (Yes, I just threw out psychology as a whole.)

Lets be honest, too much statistic variation to come to 'facts'. Too many 'tests' done on far too few people to be relevant. Besides, there's too little fancy maths involved to be funky and elegant.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

At first we have to put up with one J* and now another J. You J's are all alike. Just sic any P** on any one of them. P's will eat J's for breakfast. Any P can clean any J's clock. I would feel so sure of that if only feelings could be trusted. I would think for sure that would be correct but am still working on the unproven proof.

*A J is defined as an XXXJ
**A P is defined as an XXXP

You have to put up with me? I thought you found out conversations insightful and thought provoking.

I don't post the pseudo-intellectual BS that Lyra does...

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@Lyra

Your group must be quite bothersome for someone to become that pissed off...

BAP is pissed off as well...It is very hard to piss off BAP. I don't think you're a delightful fellow. Not good company at all!

You have pissed off many other people on this and other forums.

Are you the god of internet trolling?

 

[Architect]

He makes some fair points. The history of PL from my perspective ...

Initially they had a closed system because they were worried about misinterpretation. This resulted in little or no outside involvement (few new members). Readings were for pay. This was a poor choice because why would anybody take part without knowing what it was?

Since that didn't work out too well they opened up, putting extensive materials out including videos and web pages, and offered free readings. Still they got few new members, because of the difficulty of the materials and presentation (off putting presentation, difficulty, etc).

Lately they have moved into being purposely offensive, figuring that any advertisement (even negative) is good advertisement.

I spent some time last night with the videos, the initial ones with Tom teaching. The problem is that they're too long, I can't afford to spend hours watching these vids. PL might respond that that is what it takes, but they still need to do some better advertising to convince us that it's worth our time.

@Lyra, I've asked for a concise explanation of the primary principles several times, or a link to a getting started guide. It should take no more than a half hour to get a grounding in your ideas. Unfortunately you folks still aren't doing what is needed to get widespread acceptance. Offending people isn't likely to work out for you.

Anyhow I've held off judgement but I'm beginning to suspect that PL isn't worth our time. Lyra, if you can point me towards a getting started guide then I'll reconsider and review it.

 

[BigApplePi]

INTP's Declare War on Pod'Lair

@Architect

I've asked for a concise explanation of the primary principles several times

Do you mean something like this? I mean for Pod'Lair. I got that from reading Auburn's thread. Certainly -Add A Mouse- Adymus has mentioned clues for types but I never took notes and they are so scattered I wouldn't care to put in the time to find them. Maybe it could be the task of people on this board to pull together the visual clue descriptions and eventually get them posted in one place. Or has it been done and I've just missed it?

 

[Auburn]

The issue with creating a list of that sort is, that it still remains only words. Though helpful, a better way to present a case for visual-reading concepts would be to accompany each signal with footage (or annotate the videos with the signal words at the proper moments they occur).

And oh, that link is a bit outdated.
I haven't worked on it in a while, so this link: http://physiognomy.me/jung/
is also not the freshest, but better than nothing. o.o

And an actual representation of this in action: (preview)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SHjeH7t9Os

This is an unfinished project but I do plan to annotate and break-down all of the sixteen types in this type of video format, as well as each individual cue I see and why it is what it is (with multiple examples of each). But it is a very extensive project that I presently have on hold.

 

[snafupants]

2:45 - 2:55: perfect.

 

[Lyra]

He makes some fair points. The history of PL from my perspective ...

Initially they had a closed system because they were worried about misinterpretation. This resulted in little or no outside involvement (few new members). Readings were for pay. This was a poor choice because why would anybody take part without knowing what it was?

Since that didn't work out too well they opened up, putting extensive materials out including videos and web pages, and offered free readings. Still they got few new members, because of the difficulty of the materials and presentation (off putting presentation, difficulty, etc).

Lately they have moved into being purposely offensive, figuring that any advertisement (even negative) is good advertisement.

I spent some time last night with the videos, the initial ones with Tom teaching. The problem is that they're too long, I can't afford to spend hours watching these vids. PL might respond that that is what it takes, but they still need to do some better advertising to convince us that it's worth our time.

@Lyra, I've asked for a concise explanation of the primary principles several times, or a link to a getting started guide. It should take no more than a half hour to get a grounding in your ideas. Unfortunately you folks still aren't doing what is needed to get widespread acceptance. Offending people isn't likely to work out for you.

Anyhow I've held off judgement but I'm beginning to suspect that PL isn't worth our time. Lyra, if you can point me towards a getting started guide then I'll reconsider and review it.

Hi @Architect.

We just wrote a short introductory guide. I'll get a link up for you....

We're also working on making as short and concise an introduction in our videos as possible. It's hard given the complexity of what we're dealing with, but that's coming your way.

Other than that, I can only repeat that Reading is the only thing that will make sense of it or make it anything but mumbo jumbo.

Incidentally I don't agree with your assessment of the history, but whatever.

 

[snafupants]

Hi @Architect.

We just wrote a short introductory guide. I'll get a link up for you....

We're also working on making as short and concise an introduction in our videos as possible. It's hard given the complexity of what we're dealing with, but that's coming your way.

Other than that, I can only repeat that Reading is the only thing that will make sense of it or make it anything but mumbo jumbo.

Incidentally I don't agree with your assessment of the history, but whatever.

Architect's too smart and experienced to nibble on the bait. Give it up.

 

[Lyra]

What? He asked for an intro. I'm just providing info on request.

 

[Jennywocky]

I'd think Snaffy was referring to your last needless line about disagreeing with the history, which doesn't have much bearing on the info you provided.

 

[Lyra]

Are you the god of internet trolling?

Time will tell...

@Architect

Still finding the intro book for you, but basically, I'd recommend (as a medium length course):

Mojo Crash Course Intro
MRR Gears 1-5 videos
MRR Xyy vs. Zyy etc. type videos
podlair.com + Crash Courses for samples + quick config descriptions

Read read read

Do that and ignore the rest of the theory until you come to it/until it interests you via your focus on the Reads.

I'd recommend doing things like getting 10 of the same config up in tabs and switching between them as the videos play. It makes the patterns really begin to stand out. Also get up multiple windows, 1 per config, and switch between these. You'll begin to see it.

This actually can all be begun to be done in a long morning or a day. If you're not convinced enough to try that, well... *shrug*. It takes a while to begin to get. But I'll get the Sourcebook for you when I find it.

 

[Architect]

We just wrote a short introductory guide. I'll get a link up for you....

Good, I'm looking forward to it.

Other than that, I can only repeat that Reading is the only thing that will make sense of it or make it anything but mumbo jumbo.

I understand, but if I can explain Relativity or QM to you in a page in a way that gives you a good idea of how it works, I'm sure PL can do the same.

Incidentally I don't agree with your assessment of the history, but whatever.

I didn't say it was definitive, just my impression from the outside. Since your methods are puzzling to us outsiders feel free to tell us the view from the inside.

EDIT: Our posts crossed in the night ...

till finding the intro book for you, but basically, I'd recommend (as a medium length course)

OK but first I need to see the overall scope, structure and ideas, before investing time in becoming an expert.

MBTI suffers from the tests which just offer up four letters, because everybody is Extraverted, Introverted, and the rest. The meat of MBTI is in the functions, but that is too hard for most people including beginners. So the strength of MBTI is that you can understand it - imperfectly - by studying your four letters and reading a profile, and then later you can dive in deep.

I'm looking for something similar for PL.

 

[Lyra]

Alright I'll actually write that for you @Architect. The guide is a general overview but what you're asking for I think is more specific and worth being created. Give me a while-- I'm quite busy-- but I'll tag you when it's done.

 

[Lyra]

Latest revelations: Nazi UFO Cult Pod'Lair announced December 21st suicide pact in response to rejection by Typology Town. youtube.com/ watch?v=Eyr1T0hSxHo. Shocking revelations suggest cult even crazier than suspected: 'Where is Pod'Lair located? Nobody knows where they are. Supposedly they have this headquaters of sorts. It's pretty creepy... very creepy. So if you like Pod'Lair, and you think it seems innocent, Jonestown did to. It seemed innocent, but it turned out the complete opposite'.

 

[snafupants]

Latest revelations: Nazi UFO Cult Pod'Lair announced December 21st suicide pact in response to rejection by Typology Town.

Thank god.

youtube.com/ watch?v=Eyr1T0hSxHo. Shocking revelations suggest cult even crazier than suspected: 'Where is Pod'Lair located? Nobody knows where they are. Supposedly they have this headquaters of sorts. It's pretty creepy... very creepy. So if you like Pod'Lair, and you think it seems innocent, Jonestown did to. It seemed innocent, but it turned out the complete opposite'.

You overestimate your relevance.

 

[Lyra]

That was a quote from the linked video. I didn't write it.

 

[snafupants]

That was a quote from the linked video. I didn't write it.

Would you consider taking it seriously anyway?!

 

[Architect]

Alright I'll actually write that for you @Architect. The guide is a general overview but what you're asking for I think is more specific and worth being created. Give me a while-- I'm quite busy-- but I'll tag you when it's done.

Yes, exactly - thanks.

 

[Kuu]

This is all really very sad.


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